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      League Cup 2018/19 (Carabao Cup)
      Aug 14, 2018 08:34:12 pm
      What is changing for 2018/19?
      Extra time has been removed (excluding the final)
      The competition will revert to the traditional format of penalty kicks
      Seeding options from Round One and Round Two removed
      VAR to be used at all fixtures at Premier League stadia

      Why is there no longer extra time?
      Statistical analysis was presented to the EFL that demonstrated how almost 85 per cent of matches ended in normal time over a three-year period, without the additional period being required, and as a result clubs have supported a new approach without it.

      The removal of extra time will also help address team selection and additional fatigue issues that can sometimes be caused when midweek ties go beyond 90 minutes.

      Will the Final go straight to penalties in the event of a draw?
      The Final is the only round in which a period of extra time will remain, with penalties being taken should the scores still remain level.

      Will the semi-finals still be played across two legs? Will the ‘away goals rule’ still apply?
      Semi-finals will still be two legs, but ties will go straight to penalties if level. Therefore, the 'away goals rule' will no longer apply as it did in the past after extra-time.

      Will the penalties still be in ABBA format?
      No. The format of penalties in the competition will revert to the traditional format after EFL clubs trialled the ABBA concept throughout the 2017/18 season. This will be applicable in all EFL competitions.

      Why have seeding arrangements been removed?
      Clubs were given the option to remove the seeding arrangements from the first two rounds of the Carabao Cup and the vote determined that this element will no longer feature. Round One will remain regionalised into North and South sections.

      This format of draw has been chosen to remove complexity and decrease travel time for fans in the opening round. This move was supported by clubs at the Summer Conference.

      What about Premier League teams, and new additions to the Sky Bet Championship?
      West Bromwich Albion, the Premier League's bottom side from last season, will enter the competition in Round One. Premier League teams not involved in Europe, along with relegated pair Stoke City and Swansea City, will enter in Round Two, and teams from the top flight who are competing in Europe will join the competition in Round Three.

      Where will VAR be used in next season's competition?
      VAR can be used in next season’s competition at all fixtures played at a Premier League stadiums.





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      Re: League Cup 2018/19 (Carabao Cup)
      Reply #1: Aug 17, 2018 12:20:38 am



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      Reply #2: Aug 21, 2018 05:57:50 am
      This was introduced in order to reduce "additional fatigue issues". The ABBA penalty system trial would also be scrapped and the format for a penalty shoot-out would return to the ABAB format.
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      Reply #3: Aug 28, 2018 08:58:29 pm
      Decent goal by Wimbledon to take the lead, not doing too bad a job defending a 1-0 lead down to ten men, but will be interesting to see if they can hold out until full time.
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      Re: League Cup 2018/19 (Carabao Cup)
      Reply #4: Aug 30, 2018 07:11:03 pm
      Chelsea at home in the third round.
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      Reply #5: Aug 30, 2018 07:15:00 pm
      Would have preferred an easier draw but nevermind.
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      Reply #6: Aug 30, 2018 08:26:31 pm
      Chelsea at home in the third round.

      F***ing hell, had some tough draws today
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      Reply #7: Aug 30, 2018 08:37:48 pm
      F***ing hell, had some tough draws today

      Just makes it more worthwhile when we win.
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      Reply #8: Aug 30, 2018 08:41:09 pm
      F***ing hell, had some tough draws today

      It does make for a decent game at Anfield, would rather have that tbh.
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      Reply #9: Aug 30, 2018 08:51:09 pm
      It does make for a decent game at Anfield, would rather have that tbh.

      Yeah love the fact we’re at home
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      Reply #10: Aug 30, 2018 10:39:11 pm
      Yeah love the fact we’re at home

      Liverpool reserves against Chelsea reserves, good test of squad depth.
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      Reply #11: Aug 31, 2018 02:34:07 am
      Bloody hell, Chelsea not given a lower league team for a change. Loving these fixtures we’ve got coming up.
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      Reply #12: Sep 25, 2018 11:24:13 pm
      'Foden compared to Iniesta after first Man City goal' reads the BBC Sport headline.

      Bloody hell.

      Once again, BBC Sport proving that their pages are written by primary school kids.
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      Re: League Cup 2018/19 (Carabao Cup)
      Reply #13: Sep 26, 2018 09:32:32 am
      Who wants to win the Micky Mouse Cup anyway.  :f_whistle:
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      Reply #14: Sep 26, 2018 09:41:53 am
      Who wants to win the Micky Mouse Cup anyway.  :f_whistle:

      Maybe you'll come up against a team more your level in the FA Cup. Like Tranmere Rovers.
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      Reply #15: Sep 26, 2018 09:46:13 am
      Maybe you'll come up against a team more your level in the FA Cup. Like Tranmere Rovers.

      Maybe.  :f_doh:
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      Re: League Cup 2018/19 (Carabao Cup)
      Reply #16: Dec 19, 2018 11:30:32 pm
      Extra 2 games for the chasing pack, don’t think an easy draw like Burton will impact City at all but Spurs and Chelsea playing each other another 2 times isn’t the best situation for either team and hopefully will work in our favour, but a shame one of them doesn’t have City in the semi.
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      Reply #17: Jan 08, 2019 10:48:40 pm
      Another game another Kane penalty.
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      Reply #18: Jan 09, 2019 12:03:43 am
      Harry Kane. Also known as:

      1) Professional Diver

      2) Complete and utter gobs***e

      "It was definitely a penalty." – Harry Kane

      F**k off.
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      Reply #19: Jan 09, 2019 10:51:38 am
      Harry Kane. Also known as:

      1) Professional Diver

      2) Complete and utter gobs***e

      "It was definitely a penalty." – Harry Kane

      F**k off.

      Yep said it once I’ll say it again c**t of a man.
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      Reply #20: Jan 09, 2019 12:21:21 pm
      Yep said it once I’ll say it again c**t of a man.

      Anyone who claims a goal off his team mate, when it clearly didn’t touch him and uses his own daughters life to swear on to get the goal awarded to him is a grade A c**t IMO. If there’s one way to say “f**k you, this team is about me”, that’s the way to do it.
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      Reply #21: Jan 09, 2019 12:37:08 pm
      Anyone who claims a goal off his team mate, when it clearly didn’t touch him and uses his own daughters life to swear on to get the goal awarded to him is a grade A c**t IMO. If there’s one way to say “f**k you, this team is about me”, that’s the way to do it.

      Yep.

      Think I said as much at the time.
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      Reply #22: Jan 09, 2019 01:23:11 pm
      the linesman flagged for offside and it was very very close and I thought VAR was to correct obvious errors and decisions
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      Reply #23: Jan 09, 2019 02:13:19 pm
      Harry Kane. Also known as:

      1) Professional Diver

      2) Complete and utter gobs***e

      "It was definitely a penalty." – Harry Kane

      F**k off.

      Look at the way he fell, it even looks like a dive, Textbook Arry, Textbook! plus the gormless tw*t was offside anyway.
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      Reply #24: Jan 09, 2019 02:16:28 pm
      the linesman flagged for offside and it was very very close and I thought VAR was to correct obvious errors and decisions

      I cannot understand how VAR worked fine in the World cup but not in the Carabo cup, how our referees not been trained in its use. I also agree that bias should be in the referees favour, as it is in Cricket and only an obvious mistake by the referee should be overturned, yesterday Harry was ruled offside by the linesman, and the VAR found it very very marginal that he was maybe onside, although other pictures show him offside, so in that case the original decision should stand.
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      Reply #25: Jan 09, 2019 02:17:59 pm
      Anyway one good thing with this Carabo cup is that Spurs and Chelsea get 2 more competitive matches, just a shame Citeh have a stroll to the final and can field their B team in 2 matches although I suspect they may field a fairly strong team tonight to ensure the job is done.
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      Reply #26: Jan 09, 2019 03:10:46 pm
      Yep.

      Think I said as much at the time.

      Look at the way he fell, it even looks like a dive, Textbook Arry, Textbook! plus the gormless tw*t was offside anyway.

      There is a difference in simulating a dive skilfully, and being bundled over by the opposition player at pace.

      Because he's Harry Kane with an OBE his intentions are genuine in the eyes of people, but a player for Liverpool is through on goal and is knocked off the ball by the defender in the box, a media/fan witch hunt ensues? Players start verbally bullying him in games?

      This doesn't happen to Mr. Genuine Harry Kane. Because he took England to the semi-final of the World Cup. If it's outside the box though, and he's no question dived without contact, nothing is mentioned of it again (like he did against Wolves the week before).

      Cannot stand the in denial, receding ball-bag.
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      Reply #27: Jan 09, 2019 04:24:47 pm
      Chelsea showing an alternative angle showing Kane is offside. The interesting thing is that the linesman put his flag up and stopped running and so did the players he clearly had an influence on the Chelsea defender.
      VAR is going to cause just as many problems as it solves.
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      Reply #28: Jan 09, 2019 09:24:36 pm
      This game between Citeh and Burton is why there needs to be a proper seeding system in these competitions, absolute joke that Burton got this far in the competition without facing proper competition.
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      Reply #29: Jan 09, 2019 09:27:13 pm
      This game between Citeh and Burton is why there needs to be a proper seeding system in these competitions, absolute joke that Burton got this far in the competition without facing proper competition.

      Or better still...scrap the whole sorry excuse of a competition. A cup I care little for that just cheapens English football.
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      Reply #30: Jan 09, 2019 09:30:07 pm
      This game between Citeh and Burton is why there needs to be a proper seeding system in these competitions, absolute joke that Burton got this far in the competition without facing proper competition.

      They knocked out a few good teams to be fair: Burnley, Forest, Villa, Middlesbrough. I think they earned their place, I don’t think seeding failed here.
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      Reply #31: Jan 09, 2019 09:33:16 pm
      Or better still...scrap the whole sorry excuse of a competition. A cup I care little for that just cheapens English football.

      make it a competition but for under 23's . I suspect one good CL game with TV is worth more than winning the League Cup.
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      Reply #32: Jan 09, 2019 09:34:15 pm
      Stay classy Man City.
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      Reply #33: Jan 09, 2019 09:34:48 pm
      They knocked out a few good teams to be fair: Burnley, Forest, Villa, Middlesbrough. I think they earned their place, I don’t think seeding failed here.

      it simply isn't valued by clubs as it once was. Paisley realised it was a good way to get an early entry into Europe before the CL sucked the life out of the Uefa Cup and the Cup Winner Cup.
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      Reply #34: Jan 09, 2019 09:35:54 pm

      you could imagine the Kop booing our players not looking for them to humiliate a team like Burton
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      Reply #35: Jan 09, 2019 09:38:46 pm
      They knocked out a few good teams to be fair: Burnley, Forest, Villa, Middlesbrough. I think they earned their place, I don’t think seeding failed here.

      I personally would bar the top 6 Prem teams from taking part. At least then the lesser teams would stand a chance. Burton didn’t stand a chance with the team City put out, 9-0 as I type, it’s farcical, and it’s only the first leg!
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      Reply #36: Jan 09, 2019 09:45:55 pm
      Embarrassing.
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      Reply #37: Jan 09, 2019 09:46:16 pm
      I personally would bar the top 6 Prem teams from taking part. At least then the lesser teams would stand a chance. Burton didn’t stand a chance with the team City put out, 9-0 as I type, it’s farcical, and it’s only the first leg!

      Agreed. Something needs to be done. I don’t think there’s anything that can be done in terms of the way the teams are drawn out of the hat though. Clubs in the Prem and even the Championship are fielding weak teams in the cups, can’t blame Burton for beating who’s in front of them.

      In times like this though there needs to be a boxing equivalent of throwing the towel in the ring...
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      Reply #38: Jan 09, 2019 09:51:55 pm
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      Reply #39: Jan 09, 2019 09:56:16 pm
      So when we beat up on teams it's all good,some one else does it and there needs to be changes,f***in ell,so whiney about everything now.And i'm aware that's a bit of a whine!
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      Reply #40: Jan 09, 2019 11:27:36 pm
      So when we beat up on teams it's all good,some one else does it and there needs to be changes,f***in ell,so whiney about everything now.And i'm aware that's a bit of a whine!

      I couldn’t give a damn what the scoreline was, 1-0 or 9-0, makes no difference to me because in one game Burton wouldn’t have had a chance so over two games they were never going to go through. My point was how god damn lucky they have been with the draws this season.

      If anything, hopefully this result leads to them being complacent when they play Wolves.
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      Reply #41: Jan 09, 2019 11:35:24 pm
      So when we beat up on teams it's all good,some one else does it and there needs to be changes,f***in ell,so whiney about everything now.And i'm aware that's a bit of a whine!

      Well you know what applying FFP would be a start!
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      Reply #42: Jan 09, 2019 11:59:34 pm
      you could imagine the Kop booing our players not looking for them to humiliate a team like Burton

      Remember the 10-0 v fulham, 8-0 v swansea, 7-1 v york . 8 nil at stoke etc.no booing then.
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      Reply #43: Jan 10, 2019 12:04:16 am
      Some people with short memories, had a few great days out through the league cup, yet now we have this garbage about it being meaningless. A trophy is a trophy and this pl and cl are the only thing that matters is something that really gets my goat.
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      Reply #44: Jan 10, 2019 12:07:57 am
      Some people with short memories, had a few great days out through the league cup, yet now we have this garbage about it being meaningless. A trophy is a trophy and this pl and cl are the only thing that matters is something that really gets my goat.

      But why, surely you can see we don’t have the resources of the plastics or Utd, just look at our defensive issues at the moment!

      Which tournaments do you think we prioritise?
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      Reply #45: Jan 10, 2019 12:18:53 am
      But why, surely you can see we don’t have the resources of the plastics or Utd, just look at our defensive issues at the moment!

      Which tournaments do you think we prioritise?

      Would you say spurs or chelsea have a much deeper squad than us ?. No i wouldn't,  people are talking about having less games being an advantage , we are talking 2 or 3 games a month which is hardly massive. Injuries can happen at anytime so this nonsense about worrying about players actually playing in case they get injured. Perhaps also you shouldn't be weakening the squad in january.
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      Reply #46: Jan 10, 2019 07:49:48 am
      Would you say spurs or chelsea have a much deeper squad than us ?. No i wouldn't,  people are talking about having less games being an advantage , we are talking 2 or 3 games a month which is hardly massive. Injuries can happen at anytime so this nonsense about worrying about players actually playing in case they get injured. Perhaps also you shouldn't be weakening the squad in january.

      So who should have played VVD was not well, Hendo and Lallana both due to play picked up a knock.

      I suppose Gini, Robertson and the front 3 who barely every get a break could be run into the ground.

      We were just unfortunate to have had a run of injuries at the wrong time simple.
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      Reply #47: Jan 10, 2019 09:01:16 am
      So who should have played VVD was not well, Hendo and Lallana both due to play picked up a knock.

      I suppose Gini, Robertson and the front 3 who barely every get a break could be run into the ground.

      We were just unfortunate to have had a run of injuries at the wrong time simple.

      Why have the front 3 on the bench if you want to rest them, it was inevitable that they would be used.
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      Reply #48: Jan 10, 2019 10:27:37 am
      Why have the front 3 on the bench if you want to rest them, it was inevitable that they would be used.

      I think the front 3 were back up only, I find it a bit disingenuous to Klopp that he never took the game or cup seriously, if that were the case Klopp would not have bought on Bob & Mo..
      The team he picked is what he believed would have won against Wolves...they failed him..

       
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      Reply #49: Jan 10, 2019 10:46:11 am
      I think the front 3 were back up only, I find it a bit disingenuous to Klopp that he never took the game or cup seriously, if that were the case Klopp would not have bought on Bob & Mo..
      The team he picked is what he believed would have won against Wolves...they failed him..

      or alternatively, he failed them.

      Come on mate, he got it wrong. His setup was a mess. He does make mistakes you know..
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      Reply #50: Jan 10, 2019 11:07:04 am
      or alternatively, he failed them.

      Come on mate, he got it wrong. His setup was a mess. He does make mistakes you know..

      Explain how he failed them.
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      Reply #51: Jan 10, 2019 01:34:33 pm

      Too many changes.

      We've all been talking about how tough the match is against Wolves at their ground. The consensus was that our recent 2-0 victory was very impressive, and a marker for our title aspirations.

      Yet, we went there this time and made 7 changes to our starting lineup (Wolves made 5 changes) and our changes were considerable - including debuts for two 18 year olds. On top of that, we had Fabhino and Milner playing in a different position than they played in the 2-0 victory.

      Our previous match had a midfield of Henderson, Fabinho, Keita, Shaqiri, and our forward 3 of Mane, Salah, Firmino (albeit we played a 2-3-1). This time, we played Jones, Keita, Milner, and Shaqiri in a flat 4, with Origi and Sturridge ahead of them. That is a massive difference.

      Our back 4 was also a big concern with Moreno, Lovren, Fabinho, Camacho compared with Milner, Lovren, VVD, Robertson in the previous match. As it happens, Lovren lasted minutes and was replaced with a 16 year old Hoever. He played well in parts, but was also open to attack - and Wolves almost, and should have scored from a simple mistake of his.

      The team was always going to be very disjointed and struggling to attack with the lack of the ball flow and movement.

      Then, on top of that, the formation was completely different to our usual games. Playing a 4-4-2 (or at times a 4-4-1-1) hindered the team. The players themselves didn't seem to know what they were doing in the formation either. At times, I'd see Milner playing in central defence with Camacho AWOL (so no cover on the right side). Looked more like a back 3.

      Other times I recall Shaqiri back there helping out. Meanwhile Origi and Sturridge were in the centre circle trying to get a touch of the ball. It was just a complete mess. No wonder why we struggled to create chances.

      That was all down to Klopp who set them up for the match.

      There's always a lot of luck in football. Sometimes you can make these kind of decisions and get lucky. To be fair, we nearly got lucky in this one - but it didn't work. We lost, and Klopp needs to take accountability for his decisions. He took it too easy against a strong Wolves team, who made fewer changes.   

       
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      Re: League Cup 2018/19 (Carabao Cup)
      Reply #52: Jan 10, 2019 05:44:51 pm
      Remember the 10-0 v fulham, 8-0 v swansea, 7-1 v york . 8 nil at stoke etc.no booing then.
      Plenty of jovial we want 10 chants though the City crowd were in some kind of Frenzy .
      There was a completely different atmosphere in the ground.
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      Reply #53: Jan 10, 2019 05:46:50 pm
      Plenty of jovial we want 10 chants though the City crowd were in some kind of Frenzy .
      There was a completely different atmosphere in the ground.

      Like to see crowd in a frenzy or a city crowd full stop

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