Pre-Match: Liverpool V Chelsea Wed Sep 26 19:45 League Cup

Eight-time winners Liverpool have been drawn at home to Chelsea in the third round of the Carabao Cup.

I would rest players and play the second team and tell them that they are playing for their place in the squad.


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Lovren in; Gomez out

Lovren in; Gomez out

I'd do that too, but he's a slight doubt for this game according to physioroom. What about Nathaniel Phillips? I heard he was good in pre season. It would be good to rest Gomez and VVD.

I'd do that too, but he's a slight doubt for this game according to physioroom. What about Nathaniel Phillips? I heard he was good in pre season. It would be good to rest Gomez and VVD.

It appears he had a bit of an issue defending crosses into the box...

Wanted to put a team up but Curtis Jones is not on the player list. Origi is not fit for this match is my understanding, so I expect Shaquiri in the front and I would like Curtis Jones at attacking midfield. Otherwise Clint's team is the one I expect.

I definitely would like to see Milner and Gini left out for the sake of the upcoming matches. It may be that Henderson plays with Fab and Keita both pushed up a bit.

Wanted to put a team up but Curtis Jones is not on the player list. Origi is not fit for this match is my understanding, so I expect Shaquiri in the front and I would like Curtis Jones at attacking midfield. Otherwise Clint's team is the one I expect.

I definitely would like to see Milner and Gini left out for the sake of the upcoming matches. It may be that Henderson plays with Fab and Keita both pushed up a bit.

I'd put Markovic upfront if Shaqiri went into the middle. I'm judging him on pre season not previous seasons. He's being paid a wage and the league cup is less important than most games. Markovic was also better than Origi pre season. Origi isn't head and shoulders above Markovic, so time for him to actually earn his wages.

Here's my starting XI for league cup.

                       Mignolet

                 Matip       Phillips
      Clyne                              Moreno

                         Fabinho
              Kieta
                                    Shaqiri

      Solanke                     Markovic
                       Sturridge

If we go with Fabinho, Keita with Shaqiri as the 10, our midfield will probably be as good, if not better than the current Chelsea main team midfield

Very curious to see if Sarri-ball still works without Jorginho as I doubt very much he will start.

watching Chelsea best  XI and I cant see them living with our pace they seem quite pedestrian .

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Still want to win this and keep the momentum going so hopefully we don’t change things too drastically, although some players do need rested. Wouldn’t change the keeper myself but imagine Klopp will give Migs a shot.

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Still want to win this and keep the momentum going so hopefully we don’t change things too drastically, although some players do need rested. Wouldn’t change the keeper myself but imagine Klopp will give Migs a shot.

Not a bad line up. I still think Firmino should be rested.

Not a bad line up. I still think Firmino should be rested.

I thought we needed at least one of the three in there. Who would you have in his place mate?

Mignolet; Clyne, Phillips, Matip, Moreno; Fabinho, Jones, Keita; Shaqiri, Sturridge, Solanke.

Expect Chelsea will make changes as well so should be an even game.

Mignolet; Clyne, Phillips, Matip, Moreno; Fabinho, Jones, Keita; Shaqiri, Sturridge, Solanke.

Expect Chelsea will make changes as well so should be an even game.

I like that line up, hopefully we will see it happen!

Solanke and Sturridge don't go together.

Solanke and Sturridge don't go together.

Both do like to drop off, don't they? Origi isn't fit, is he?

Pellegrini used interesting tactics today taking Hazard out of the game and forcing the Chavs to attack down the right channel.
This then was covered by the Hammers defence.
Sure Jürgen and his team were watching.

I thought we needed at least one of the three in there. Who would you have in his place mate?

Markovic deserves a chance, he's not going to get it in another compeition.

Markovic deserves a chance, he's not going to get it in another compeition.

He would add a lot more balance, but I just can't see Klopp using him.

Markovic deserves a chance, he's not going to get it in another compeition.

Yeah he'd probably look good in the Mighty Red costume!!

Should be a good lineup out there so we have a chance at advancing to the next round. I imagine pending health that all of Migs, Clyne, Matip, Moreno and Fabinho will start. Since the usual 3 will all start on Saturday i imagine Sturridge makes the starting lineup for this one as well. Damn you Lallana and inability to stay healthy. This would have been a good game for him to get going.

I'll go with:
Migs
Clyne - Gomez - Matip - Moreno
Fabinho
Keita - Henderson
Shaq - Sturridge - Mane (?)

Not sure if Markovic and Jones can play but if so they should at least make the bench. Mane's spot is one i am not sure who'd fill in for him.

Not sure on some injuries so if all fit

Becker
Clyne
Matip
Gomez
Moreno

Fabinho
Jones
Keita

Sturridge
Solanke
Shaquri

Must make changes if we want to keep pressure on the league, i would sacrifice this cup.  At least that will leave us with 2 competitions until the new year.

YNWA

Not sure i'd have the likes of Solanke, Markovic or Phillips in my line-ups. I'm all for using the squad but it would also be nice to progress as well given we haven't won anything for nigh on a decade.

My line-up would be.


                               Mignolet


Clyne               Matip             Gomez          Moreno

                               Fabinho

                    Keita                Milner


     Shakiri               Studge               Jones


I'd have Mane, Salah and Bobby on the bench.

Not sure i'd have the likes of Solanke, Markovic or Phillips in my line-ups. I'm all for using the squad but it would also be nice to progress as well given we haven't won anything for nigh on a decade.

My line-up would be.


                               Mignolet


Clyne               Matip             Gomez          Moreno

                               Fabinho

                    Keita                Milner


     Shakiri               Studge               Jones


I'd have Mane, Salah and Bobby on the bench.

I agree with this, we need to have a mix in the team and not rest everybody. I'd actually be tempted to play Henderson as well, just to anchor the midfield and rest Milner.

I agree with this, we need to have a mix in the team and not rest everybody. I'd actually be tempted to play Henderson as well, just to anchor the midfield and rest Milner.

Scary post count!

I am looking forward to see the likes of Clyne, Moreno and Fabinho getting some minutes and to see if Shaqiri/Sturridge can have a good showing to push for more playing time. Should be a tough fixture and I would expect Chelsea to field a side of bench players, reserves and odd first team player.

As far as line up I think your going see something like this though I think see a lot different movement and position within the front three (maybe even a narrow formation with Shaqiri behind Sturridge/Solanke).
-----------------Migs--------------------
Clyne----Gomez-----Matip-----Moreno
----------------Fabinho----------------
--------Milner-----------Ketia---------
-----Shaqiri----Sturridge-----Solanke-

For sure Fabinho, Sturridge, Shaqiri have to start this game. I wouldn't be surprised to see Henderson in there as well. Lovren if he's fit, Migs, Moreno and Clyne, Matip and then take your pick of the last two maybe a couple of up and comers from the reserves?

I also think Markovic should start just to give him one last chance. I'd also go with Solanke up front as I think starting Sturridge would be a big risk. It's not that I don't like Sturridge but I think Danny is now an impact sub and starting too many games would be detrimental to his fitness. He's still made of glass and I think he would be better served by just coming off the bench. With his level of fitness improved so far, he is a very important player on the bench to come on and nick a goal.

                      Alisson
Clyne      Lovren     Matip       Moreno
                       Hendo
          Fabinho          Keita
Shaqiri         Solanke         Markovic

I also think Markovic should start just to give him one last chance. I'd also go with Solanke up front as I think starting Sturridge would be a big risk. It's not that I don't like Sturridge but I think Danny is now an impact sub and starting too many games would be detrimental to his fitness. He's still made of glass and I think he would be better served by just coming off the bench. With his level of fitness improved so far, he is a very important player on the bench to come on and nick a goal.

                      Alisson
Clyne      Lovren     Matip       Moreno
                       Hendo
          Fabinho          Keita
Shaqiri         Solanke         Markovic

I would wager that Markovic is persona non grata as far as the manager is concerned and will never play for LFC again.

I also think Markovic should start just to give him one last chance. I'd also go with Solanke up front as I think starting Sturridge would be a big risk. It's not that I don't like Sturridge but I think Danny is now an impact sub and starting too many games would be detrimental to his fitness. He's still made of glass and I think he would be better served by just coming off the bench. With his level of fitness improved so far, he is a very important player on the bench to come on and nick a goal.

                      Alisson
Clyne      Lovren     Matip       Moreno
                       Hendo
          Fabinho          Keita
Shaqiri         Solanke         Markovic

I agree, but we need Sturridge in place of Solanke.
Solanke should wait for another chance, he was given chances last season and didn't take them.

Would like to see Fabinho and Keita get a start and hell why not 2 up front with Sturridge and Solanke.

And maybe a wildcard in Curtis Jones.

Play Salah, let him get his hat trick and bring him off at half time

The shed end forum has 6 posts for this game.. 
http://www.theshedend.com/topic/32097-liverpool-v-chelsea-lc-wed-26th-sep-1945-uk/

Play Salah, let him get his hat trick and bring him off at half time

The shed end forum has 6 posts for this game.. 
http://www.theshedend.com/topic/32097-liverpool-v-chelsea-lc-wed-26th-sep-1945-uk/

Fs mind numbing stuff. Who is CHO?

Fs mind numbing stuff. Who is CHO?

Yeah, thought that .. no idea

Yeah, thought that .. no idea

Maybe Cho Chang, the wee Scottish lass from Harry Potter?

She doesn’t look like much of a player mind, I don’t see her tearing Clyne apart as they suggest.

Fs mind numbing stuff. Who is CHO?

Callum Hudson-Odoi

Callum Hudson-Odoi

Who?

Hudson Odi I think his name is

Callum Hudson-Odoi

17 years old
0 appearences
0 goals
0 assists
0% shooting accuracy

I'm impressed !

Fs mind numbing stuff. Who is CHO?

Callum Hudson-Odoi.  Highly rated youngster.  Sounds like Chav fans are clutching at straws if they think he's gonna lead them to victory on Wednesday...

Hudson Odi I think his name is

Van Dyke would eat him alive !....

17 years old
0 appearences
0 goals
0 assists
0% shooting accuracy

I'm impressed !

I'll swap Origi for him based on preseason performance

I'll swap Origi for him based on preseason performance

I'd swap Origi for a free lunch based on preseason form....

Callum Hudson-Odoi.  Highly rated youngster.  Sounds like Chav fans are clutching at straws if they think he's gonna lead them to victory on Wednesday...

Well, with Moreno and Migs in goal....

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I like that one!

For those saying this cup doesn't matter.

https://twitter.com/angelcakepics/status/1044335984945582081?s=21

In the grand scheme of things this trophy is more winnable than say the Champions League. Klopp does need some silverware.

I would have some strength in this team. We're at Anfield. We should make sure we can go through.

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No Migs for me. Why risk it when we have a much better keeper who we don't need to rest at all. Other than that, I'm fine with resting our better players, and give the other lads some minutes:

Alisson
Clyne, Gomez, Matip, Moreno
Fabinho, Keita, Henderson
Shaq, Studge, Brewster

Did NOT think Markovic would be in anyone's line up! No chance for him in my books - he's utter sh*te.

Sturridge, Shaqiri, Fabinho and Keita all should probably be in the starting line up. Would be nice to see the likes of Jones and Phillips, too.

Really want to win this one - we're seven wins straight and have the squad to challenge for every competition we're in.

Did NOT think Markovic would be in anyone's line up! No chance for him in my books - he's utter sh*te.

Sturridge, Shaqiri, Fabinho and Keita all should probably be in the starting line up. Would be nice to see the likes of Jones and Phillips, too.

Really want to win this one - we're seven wins straight and have the squad to challenge for every competition we're in.

Exactly mate, let's F***ing win EVERYTHING!!!

Hopefully Jones will get a run out

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Lovren fit for this one?

Hopefully Jones will get a run out

Would love that. Defo deserved after his preseason. Lotta fellas we can bring in and have high hopes of a good result, what a place to be.

Lovren fit for this one?

Would love that. Defo deserved after his preseason. Lotta fellas we can bring in and have high hopes of a good result, what a place to be.

He's been full training the last few weeks so i figure this game is as good as any to get him a few minutes

He's been full training the last few weeks so i figure this game is as good as any to get him a few minutes

Sound. I know he'd been pictured in training but hadn't really looked up any details about where he was at.

Not really sure what to suggest for changes, rotation etc, just know we’ve got to win this comfortably. That will take the wind out of their sails for up coming Prem game. We change to much and lose it, they will gain loads of confidence for Prem.
I think we go strong, get it won, then make a couple of changes.
No harm in starting the likes of Shaquiri and Studge. Keita and possibly Lovren and Clyde. They all have experience st this level, but the youngsters can be given minutes about 70 mins in, as long as we are well ahead !
Can’t wait to see what sort of side Jürgen puts out.

I'd swap Origi for a free lunch based on preseason form....

Depends, Subway, McDonald's or Burger King would seem a bit cheap. If it were a Wagamama it would be worth considering.

Mignolet
Clyne Matip Lovren Moreno
Fabinho Keita Shaqiri
Sturridge Solanke Origi

If Lovren is unavailable then play Phillips. In all honesty if we lost this and end up winning at Stamford Bridge in the league I'll be happy.

The above team need minutes and is still good enough to win.

Go strong-ish, get it done by half time / early second half and then give some of the youngsters some minutes

https://twitter.com/_pauljoyce/status/1044541963268173824

At least, I would rest our front three.

https://twitter.com/_pauljoyce/status/1044541963268173824

Confirming a strong team with Mignolet is like confirming a strong bridge made from custard.

Confirming a strong team with Mignolet is like confirming a strong bridge made from custard.

I know but simple simon needs a few minutes here and there to keep him match fit, he is for better or worse our #2 GK

Confirming a strong team with Mignolet is like confirming a strong bridge made from custard.

Haha, nice one. I would still play Simon not to freeze him. Hopefully, we do not need him apart in domestic Cups.

Makes sense to start Migs. As a backup he should be getting the Carabao cup at the very least and potentially the FA cup. Like it or not, he is the #2 and he needs games so that if Alisson ever goes down to illness or injury we don't have a goalie coming in who has not played in a game all season.

Well we won't be playing Mancheater United in the next round as they have just been booted out by Derby County....and Derby were by far the better team. Well done Frank Lampard and a great free kick goal by Harry Wilson.

I would wager that Markovic is persona non grata as far as the manager is concerned and will never play for LFC again.

. Your spot on his days are not numbered he is a ghost now needs to leave...aft

. Your spot on his days are not numbered he is a ghost now needs to leave...aft

Markovic should've took whatever loan deals that come in for him. I can understand him not moving on to a much lower wage. It's of no use to him not playing and no use to us. These situations do crop up from time to time, mostly due to top clubs paying ridiculous money. Players who can't get into the team won't take a wage cut and move on. We'll get next to nothing back on this lad when he eventually goes. Pity but that's the way it is sometimes.

Markovic should've took whatever loan deals that come in for him. I can understand him not moving on to a much lower wage. It's of no use to him not playing and no use to us. These situations do crop up from time to time, mostly due to top clubs paying ridiculous money. Players who can't get into the team won't take a wage cut and move on. We'll get next to nothing back on this lad when he eventually goes. Pity but that's the way it is sometimes.

I can only assume this lad has everything needed to succeed apart from a brain.

tomorrow will be interesting as winning a trophy early in the season is a great way to put silverware into the Trophy cabinet.
I cant see him making too many changes and if he does they will be strong ones

Putting Migs in the goal says more than thousand assurances from Jürgen about how little it means for him, and he's right.

Yay.. it’s football night!

3-1.. Victory..

Its exciting to see what side he puts out as this will show the depth of quality in the squad.

Its exciting to see what side he puts out as this will show the depth of quality in the squad.

We have to a bit careful though as Chelsea have a hell of a lot of good youngsters don't they, I think we need to field a reasonably strong team tonight and have the big boys ready on the bench if needed. If we can get a solid win tonight then it will give us great momentum for the weekend's match.

Its exciting to see what side he puts out as this will show the depth of quality in the squad.

Thing is, we do have depth in the squad. But if we see 9-10 changes, the accumulative effect of that will be a considerable drop, I'm afraid (and I'm not saying we shouldn't do it, I think we should for the sake of other matches).

It's one thing to say that if, say, Trent can't play in a certain game, that it's good to have an experienced player like Clyne to step in. No question about it. BUT, there is a reason Jürgen goes with pretty much the same lineup each time. The starters, as always, are better than the backups. One change is very manageable, maybe 2 or 3 even, but then when it's everyone who ordinarily doesn't get a game, then you see some more noticeable dropoff in team quality. It's just normal.

But tonight, if he goes with the lineup many of us have been suggesting, we'll see how much of a dropoff it is, and just good our team depth really is.

Hoping for the best.

if you want to wear a RED shirt in the big games and you start tonight you had better bring your A game .

I know he is going to start but I personally wouldn't play Mignolet. He has no future here so I don't see the point. He is not good enough to rival Alisson and you can't teach an old dog new tricks, he will never change.

He will be gone next season and we need to bring in a new, young, fresh number 2 with high ambitions ready to learn and then challenge Alisson for that number one spot. 

Mignolet should never play for us again in my opinion. Lost count how many chances he's had and if he comes in tonight and makes a mistake and we go out because of it then I'll be raging.

I know he is going to start but I personally wouldn't play Mignolet. He has no future here so I don't see the point. He is not good enough to rival Alisson and you can't teach an old dog new tricks, he will never change.

He will be gone next season and we need to bring in a new, young, fresh number 2 with high ambitions ready to learn and then challenge Alisson for that number one spot. 

Mignolet should never play for us again in my opinion. Lost count how many chances he's had and if he comes in tonight and makes a mistake and we go out because of it then I'll be raging.

Based on what Klopp said during the interview I actually look forward to seeing Migs play och judge him from tonight's performance. I think it goes for most of us here that we rather would have seen us keep Ward and get rid of Karius and Migs. However (hopefully) the influence of Becker has had a positive impact on Migs, we will find out soon enough.

The important thing is that we get behind the team, the whole team tonight and trust the fact that Klopp has a plan and that we support that plan.

Really looking forward to tonight's game. Hopefully, we can get an idea were Lovren is at as well as Fabinho and a lot of other players.

Mignolet, Clyne, Matip, Gomez, Moreno, Fabinho, Keita, Milner, Mane, Shaqiri, Sturridge.

Mignolet, Clyne, Matip, Gomez, Moreno, Fabinho, Keita, Milner, Mane, Shaqiri, Sturridge.

Ohh..Similar team to what I had in mind..👍🏼

I'd slot Hendo for Milner though..

I know he is going to start but I personally wouldn't play Mignolet. He has no future here so I don't see the point. He is not good enough to rival Alisson and you can't teach an old dog new tricks, he will never change.

He will be gone next season and we need to bring in a new, young, fresh number 2 with high ambitions ready to learn and then challenge Alisson for that number one spot. 

Mignolet should never play for us again in my opinion. Lost count how many chances he's had and if he comes in tonight and makes a mistake and we go out because of it then I'll be raging.

If Alisson goes down with illness or injury, it would not be ideal to hand the net over to Migs and have not played a single minute all season. He needs game time, even if its just the Carabao Cup.

As for next season, i agree Migs will be gone and a #2 will come in, but you don't pay whatever +60M they did for Alisson to bring in someone to challenge him, even if its down the road. He is the undisputed #1 for the next 7-10yrs.

If Alisson goes down with illness or injury, it would not be ideal to hand the net over to Migs and have not played a single minute all season. He needs game time, even if its just the Carabao Cup.

As for next season, i agree Migs will be gone and a #2 will come in, but you don't pay whatever +60M they did for Alisson to bring in someone to challenge him, even if its down the road. He is the undisputed #1 for the next 7-10yrs.

I disagree. Regardless of Alissons fee, we should have competition for places in every position otherwise performances may become complacent.

We don't have to spend big on a number 2 but we should have somebody on the bench who has the potential or ability to come in and do a job for us. Somebody who if Alisson is going through a bad patch, we can use him if we need too.

Mignolet isn't that man. He has no future here and has proven dozens of times to be a very poor goalkeeper. Therefore, for just this season, I do not agree with the rotation of keepers and Alisson should play every single game.

Mignolet could be the reason we exit this competition.

Based on what Klopp said during the interview I actually look forward to seeing Migs play och judge him from tonight's performance. I think it goes for most of us here that we rather would have seen us keep Ward and get rid of Karius and Migs. However (hopefully) the influence of Becker has had a positive impact on Migs, we will find out soon enough.

The important thing is that we get behind the team, the whole team tonight and trust the fact that Klopp has a plan and that we support that plan.

Really looking forward to tonight's game. Hopefully, we can get an idea were Lovren is at as well as Fabinho and a lot of other players.

Presuming Mignolet starts then hopefully he has a good game but I will never look forward to seeing Mignolet play for Liverpool.

I think people have short memories sometimes.

Would rather give Kamil Grabara a game than seeing Mignolet between the sticks.

Presuming Mignolet starts then hopefully he has a good game but I will never look forward to seeing Mignolet play for Liverpool.

I think people have short memories sometimes.

I have a sneaky feeling he will be captain tonight

Time for a change of fortune..
Head-to-head
*Liverpool have won only two of their past 14 games against Chelsea in all competitions (D7 L5), with both victories coming at Stamford Bridge.
*This is the 57th meeting between Liverpool and Chelsea since the turn of the millennium, making it the most played fixture in English football in that time.
*This is the eighth League Cup meeting between Liverpool and Chelsea and the first at the third-round stage since November 2000, when the Reds won 2-1 at Anfield with goals from Danny Murphy and Robbie Fowler.

Liverpool
*Liverpool have lost their last three League Cup matches without scoring a single goal, their worst ever run in the competition - the Reds haven't been eliminated at the third-round stage in back to back seasons since doing so in 1989-90 and 1990-91.

Chelsea
*Chelsea have progressed from each of their past seven League Cup third-round ties since losing 4-3 to Newcastle United in 2010-11.
*None of the last eight Chelsea managers to manage in the League Cup have lost their first match in the competition (W7 D1), with Claudio Ranieri the last Blues boss to lose his maiden game - against Liverpool in November 2000.