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      HUYTON RED
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      News Stories (Oct 2018)
      Oct 02, 2018 12:19:27 am
      Passengers stranded as airline collapses

      A budget airline that began offering long-haul flights from UK airports including Stansted to the US earlier this year has collapsed.

      Primera Air said it was ceasing all operations at midnight on Monday after 14 years of operations.

      Flights to Washington and New York due to leave Stansted on Monday night were grounded and passengers have been told not to go to the airport on Tuesday.

      One flight from Birmingham to Malaga arrived on Monday evening.

      The Danish-registered airline is not part of the Civil Aviation Authority's ATOL Protection scheme, which covers only passengers booked on package holidays.

      The airline, which had 15 planes, began offering low-cost flights from Stansted and Birmingham to the US and Canada earlier this year.

      Flights from Manchester to Malaga were due to start later this month.

      The regulator has advised passengers who have travelled on a Primera flight they will need to make their own arrangements to return to the UK, and to contact their travel insurer or travel agent.

      People who had booked directly with the airline on future flights will not be covered either, the CAA advises.

      Passengers who paid by credit card may be protected by Section 75 of the Consumer Credit Act 1974 and are advised to check with card issuers. Similar cover may apply if a Visa debit card was used.

      The Icelandic-owned airline said it had failed to secure long-term financing, meaning it had "no choice" but to file for bankruptcy.

      Passengers have contacted the BBC to say they have been left stranded by the airline.

      Canadian Angela Dorau was in a queue to board a plane from Paris to Toronto with her husband when there was an announcement saying the flight had been cancelled.

      She said: "Everybody was stranded. Currently my husband and I are in a dumpy motel by the airport trying to frantically scrounge together the funds to pay for another way home."

      They are yet to find an alternative flight home and she says what was supposed to be a budget trip looks like costing them an extra €2,000.

      Primera's decision to start competing with other low-cost long-haul operators such as Norwegian and Wow appears to have led to its demise.

      Signs that the airline was in trouble came in August, when it said short-haul flights from Birmingham to seven European destinations would end on 3 September.

      It also blamed the late arrival of new aircraft from Airbus that forced it to cancel flights and lease planes.

      "Weighting the potential losses due to future delivery delays ... and bearing in mind the difficult environment that airlines are facing now due to low prices and high fuel costs, we have decided to cease operations now," the company said.

      Five departures from Copenhagen and four from Billund on Tuesday are expected to be cancelled.

      When it began longhaul operations from Stansted in May, Primera was offering flights to New York's Newark airport, Boston, Washington DC and Toronto starting at £149 each way.

      It had planned to start flying from Madrid to New York, Boston and Toronto next month from €149 each way.

      Most of the airline's business involved taking Scandinavian holidaymakers to destinations such as Spain, Greece, Italy, Egypt and Turkey.

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      Reply #1: Oct 02, 2018 01:32:08 pm
      :lmao:

      LIVE: Johnson wants to 'put lead' into Tories' pencil

      Sorry but just seen this headline from sky about Bellend Boris' speech at the tory party conference, the fella's a full on gobs***e!!

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      Reply #2: Oct 02, 2018 02:02:58 pm
      https://twitter.com/jonsnowC4/status/1047108692137652224

      May seeing her arse and not doing interviews, unless they are soft ones like Andrew Marr where she won't be asked tough questions.
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      Reply #3: Oct 02, 2018 02:05:04 pm
      https://twitter.com/jonsnowC4/status/1047108692137652224

      May seeing her arse and not doing interviews, unless they are soft ones like Andrew Marr where she won't be asked tough questions.

      Civil servants at the Home Office nicknamed her "The Submarine" because she always disappeared when things got a bit difficult or she fu**ed up.
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      Reply #4: Oct 02, 2018 10:36:12 pm
      She’s an absolute joke is May.

      A dumpy f**king scrote who keeps talking about ‘the will of the people’, yet ironically seems reluctant to be held accountable by the people in any way whatsoever.

      I honestly think this current government might be about to f**k up the UK for generations to come.
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      Reply #5: Oct 03, 2018 12:23:40 am
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      Reply #6: Oct 03, 2018 02:24:34 pm
      AND May comes dancing onto the stage at the party conference... f*ck me  :lmao:
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      Reply #7: Oct 03, 2018 02:52:39 pm

      Good morning Tory citizen..Corbyn must be destroyed..


      What about the Tory MP's for ethnic backgrounds trying their best to be accepted into such a party..

      Shaun Bailey.
      Sajid Javid.
      Shazia Bashir.

      F***ing embarrassing the lot of them..
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      Re: News Stories (Oct 2018)
      Reply #8: Oct 03, 2018 05:04:22 pm
      https://www.cnn.com/2018/10/02/us/guns-stolen-from-ups-trnd/index.html.  I would guess they were being shipped somewhere but still?
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      Reply #9: Oct 03, 2018 05:58:43 pm
      AND May comes dancing onto the stage at the party conference... f*ck me  :lmao:

      Gave me a boner
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      Reply #10: Oct 03, 2018 07:02:51 pm
      May backed down from having a right go at Russia and Putin in her party keynote speech. Instead she took a cheap swipe at Corbyn.

      Not once did she utter the word "Chequers". She is now backing down from that after saying it's the only way forward. The rest of her speech was a diatribe of self congratulations. Not a word about Javid sending back as many of the Windrush generation that he can get away with. No mention of starving the NHS of funds for 8 years. No mention of Police budget cut to the bone. No mention of the blatant skimming benefits off the disabled. No mention of Arms sales to Saudi Arabia. No mention of scraping the Department for Climate change. No mention of abolishing the Child poverty Unit. No mention of scraping the Charity Commissioner. No mention of cutting the Education budget to the bone, while proposing the reintroduction of Grammar schools.No mention of making Johnson Foreign Secretary, a man who call blacks "Piccaninnies" and heaps abuse on Islamic faith, not to mention having a cheap pop at the City of Liverpool.

      A spiteful Tory if ever there was one. 
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      Reply #11: Oct 03, 2018 10:47:55 pm
      Does the comedy circuit, the endless panel shows, guest appearances on Live at the Apollo or wherever need a kick up it's complacent backside. Personally I've been pissed off with them for a while now. And does it show how pompous and how far the the"established" comics are up their own self righteous  backsides when they condemn somebody like Andrew Lawrence, basically because he doesn't tow the comedy line.

      There should be room in comedy for a right wing perspective. Comedian should be judged on how funny they are, not by some perceived pre judged class based standard.
      « Last Edit: Oct 03, 2018 10:52:14 pm by Harrisimo »
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      Reply #12: Oct 04, 2018 12:50:34 am
      She's actually Roy Hodgson with a wig on.
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      Reply #13: Oct 04, 2018 12:16:51 pm
      She's actually Roy Hodgson with a wig on.

      Christ,  i need a box of tissues now
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      Reply #14: Oct 04, 2018 01:17:35 pm
      Christ,  i need a box of tissues now

      I hope they're to wipe the sh*t from your eye mate ;)
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      Reply #15: Oct 04, 2018 07:20:08 pm
      AND May comes dancing onto the stage at the party conference... f*ck me  :lmao:

      She looked like an ironing board trying to make an escape from the utility cupboard.

      But seriously, when the country is about to be driven off a cliff thanks to Brexit, the last thing I want to see is a Prime Minister dancing their way on stage.
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      Reply #16: Oct 04, 2018 07:49:21 pm
      She looked like an ironing board trying to make an escape from the utility cupboard.

      But seriously, when the country is about to be driven off a cliff thanks to Brexit, the last thing I want to see is a Prime Minister dancing their way on stage.

      She is like the band on the f**king titanic
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      Reply #17: Oct 06, 2018 05:04:00 pm
      She looked like an ironing board trying to make an escape from the utility cupboard.

      But seriously, when the country is about to be driven off a cliff thanks to Brexit, the last thing I want to see is a Prime Minister dancing their way on stage.
      I thought she had  a vibrating dildo in  myself & forgot to turn in off.
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      Re: News Stories (Oct 2018)
      Reply #18: Oct 10, 2018 10:39:26 pm
      Ashers 'gay cake' row: Bakers win Supreme Court appeal - http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-northern-ireland-45789759

      Not sure if this story reached you guys over the water but curious to see the thoughts.

      Now I haven't followed this story that closely as the 'news' over here in Northern Ireland bores the hell out of me for the most part but heard about this verdict on the radio today.

      Long and short of it was a gay man asked a cake to be baked with a message on it that the owners didn't want to bake due to them being born again Christians.

      Personally I would bake any cake anyone asked me if I was paid for it and class myself as pretty liberal but can't help thinking the bakery was within its rights to choose not to bake this cake.

      The bakery in question is pretty well known over here as a 'Christian'  bakery and I feel the man targeted them to make a point when there are  hundreds of bakery's who would have baked the cake no questions asked.

      Thoughts?
      « Last Edit: Oct 11, 2018 12:48:57 pm by srslfc »
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      Reply #19: Oct 11, 2018 11:48:06 am
      Ashers 'gay cake' row: Bakers win Supreme Court appeal - http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-northern-ireland-45789759

      Not sure if this story reached you guys over the water but curious to see the thoughts.

      Now I haven't followed this story that closely as the 'newsy' over here in Northern Ireland bores the hell out of me for the most part but heard about this verdict on the radio today.

      Long and short of it was a gay man asked a cake to be baked with a message on it that the owners didn't want to bake due to them being born again Christians.

      Personally I would bake any cake anyone asked me if I was paid for it and class myself as pretty liberal but can't help thinking the bakery was within its rights to choose not to bake this cake.

      The bakery in question is pretty well known over here as a 'Christian'  bakery and I feel the man targeted them to make a point when there are  hundreds of bakery's who would have baked the cake no questions asked.

      Thoughts?

      Exactly.
      Bit of a storm in a teacup for me.
      It gets a bit dodgy when people start to push for their rights trumping someones beliefs, but I do think if christians are going to quote Leviticus (which is f**king nuts) then they should live by all of it, and not just the parts that suit them.
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      Reply #20: Oct 11, 2018 12:50:25 pm
      but I do think if christians are going to quote Leviticus (which is f**king nuts) then they should live by all of it, and not just the parts that suit them.

      Indeed.
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      Reply #21: Oct 11, 2018 04:03:25 pm
      Ashers 'gay cake' row: Bakers win Supreme Court appeal - http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-northern-ireland-45789759

      Not sure if this story reached you guys over the water but curious to see the thoughts.

      Now I haven't followed this story that closely as the 'news' over here in Northern Ireland bores the hell out of me for the most part but heard about this verdict on the radio today.

      Long and short of it was a gay man asked a cake to be baked with a message on it that the owners didn't want to bake due to them being born again Christians.

      Personally I would bake any cake anyone asked me if I was paid for it and class myself as pretty liberal but can't help thinking the bakery was within its rights to choose not to bake this cake.

      The bakery in question is pretty well known over here as a 'Christian'  bakery and I feel the man targeted them to make a point when there are  hundreds of bakery's who would have baked the cake no questions asked.

      Thoughts?

      We've had similar things over here...believe one case went all the way to our Supreme Court.

      Here's my take (not that anyone cares) and I consider myself a through and through born again Bible thumping Christian (just for perspective)....

      I'm not sure that religion (spirituality, belief, faith, however you want to refer to it) really should be intertwined into what governs local businesses. If I were a business owner making cakes and a gay couple came to me wanting me to make a cake for their wedding, I'd probably go ahead and do it, as long as I felt like they weren't trying to "use" me in some way as you alluded Si (for political purposes). I mean if I'm a business owner, I don't do a background check on every single customer to see if they met my "moral standard". I certainly have opinions and views about what I think is right and wrong, godly and not, but at the end of the day the most important thing I get from my reading, studying and understanding of the Bible is to love others as you would love yourself and that includes anyone that does anything that might be contrary to the teachings of the Bible. If you are refusing service to a gay couple simply based on the fact that you believe their being together is a sin...are you also not serving liars, thiefs, adulterers, prideful people, etc....because those are all sins as well (according to the Bible).

      That all being said.....why on earth should anyone be able to tell a business owner who they can and can't serve? If I have some belligerent person come into my place of business, berating customers and making a scene...I have the right to tell them to pound sand. So honestly, shouldn't I be able to tell anyone I want to pound sand for whatever reason I want? Ultimately, it's up to the business owner (or should be) to decide if refusing service to someone will be worth the negative word of mouth (and in this day and age, the negative social media and online reviews) that it may generate.

      In this specific case, I think both sides probably could have used to practice a little bit more common sense and caring. The gay couple doesn't want to be made to feel like second class folks and the baker has moral opinions (valid or not) that they feel prohibits them from serving these folks. It's an unfortunate impasse but shouldn't both sides just say "thanks but no thanks" and go about their business? Like you said Si, there are other bakers, and if the baker in question doesn't want to server people, they probably won't be in business too long anyway.

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      Reply #22: Oct 11, 2018 04:32:38 pm
      I think it's not so much that the cake maker didn't want to make the cake for a gay man, it was the fact he disagreed with the message (rightly or wrongly, and I think it's wrongly but that's beside the point) and therefore didn't want to put it on a cake. If a heterosexual, bisexual or asexual person had asked for the same message I think the result would have been the same.

      It'd be a problem if the cake maker was discriminating based on the customers sexuality, gender, ethnicity or anything else, but if he doesn't want to put a particular slogan or message (whatever it is) on a cake because of his own beliefs that is completely within his rights. Glad it got overturned in the end. I don't agree with the cake maker's beliefs but he's within his rights not to bake a cake with a message he disagrees with.
      « Last Edit: Oct 11, 2018 06:59:52 pm by artaylor »
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      Reply #23: Oct 11, 2018 06:25:51 pm
      I think this also raises an important point about militant, targeted behaviour.
      Clearly the chap knew what he was doing, but went ahead anyway to make a political point, and perhaps even wanted to get the bakery closed down.
      I don't think militant behaviour does anyone any favours (mostly) and it is often counter productive.
      There are exceptions of course, and sometimes militant behaviour is the only thing that will get results, but that's not the case here IMO.
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      Re: News Stories (Oct 2018)
      Reply #24: Oct 12, 2018 08:31:22 am
      Why didn't the moaning cu*ts just get their cake made elsewhere!


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