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      Liverpool 0-0 Manchester City: In game and Post Match discussion

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      waltonl4
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      Re: Liverpool 0-0 Manchester City: In game and Post Match discussion
      Reply #345: Oct 07, 2018 08:42:04 pm
      Did anyone see that cringy bollocks on Sky at the start of the second half where they revealed the banner 'Challengers vs Champions'.

      F***ing dire sh*te from a broadcaster full to the brim with wankers epitomised by Tyler and Neville's commentary.

      they have lost the CL and they will lose the EPL eventually Karma. Neville and Tyler were constantly wishing City to score in the second half its pathetic RATBOY can't be anything other than a bitter Manc gobs***e when he watches us play
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      Re: Liverpool 0-0 Manchester City: In game and Post Match discussion
      Reply #346: Oct 07, 2018 08:43:04 pm
      He made 65 passes today, 41 of which were forwards and there were several times he released Gomez down the right or played the ball into our front 3. He also never lost the ball once and won it back for us time after time, his heat map of touches shows he covered the entire pitch, but mostly made himself available to the back 4. He was scream and shouting all match, getting people into order, calling for the ball and getting it. He made big tackles when we needed and I'd be shocked if he wasn't in the top 5 for distance covered on the pitch. He was much more attacking than normal and I thought he was hands down the man of the match for us. I honestly, have literally no idea what you were watching. You've got this one wrong.

      No I haven't got that one wrong and the stats nearly always show Hendo in a good light. They DO NOT tell the full story. He wasn't on blob today. I don't knock Hendo as a rule because I know what he offers and today he didn't show for the ball from the back 4. Normally he does and I defend him against others who say he should be doing more and being a bigger influence.

      If you watch the game again. To be fair we probably won't but if you do you will see what I'm getting at. I marked him down because his normal game was not up to scratch...no matter what the stats say. Klopp drops him for a reason and it's mostly because he doesn't get it on to the front foot quick enough. It wasn't that clear to others that Hendo didn't play well. I know that. I know others will call me out. But nevertheless Hendo was off blob today. His worst game for a long time. To be fair City did pass us to death at times but if Alison and the back 4 want to play out of defence Hendo has to make more space to take control and get it forward to feet. He started well but like quite a few today, he faded and looked tired.

      My opinion...clearly not yours..
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      Re: Liverpool 0-0 Manchester City: In game and Post Match discussion
      Reply #347: Oct 07, 2018 08:43:18 pm
      I gave him a 5....no I'm not stupid. Making silly insults is not an argument. If you have an opinion on Hendo today...give it..if you haven't...just saying he played well...that's not an argument either....did you notice the disconnect between the back 4...did you see Hendo create space time & time again to pick up the ball off the back 4...no..that's his game..but today he wasn't on blob.
      That's one of the reasons we didn't have any urgency in our attacks.It was so slow in the build up and our front 3 were in traffic by the time the ball was played forward.

      Why do you think Klopp spent so much on the midfield. He knows we need more creative passing, more urgency from the back 4 onward. If you have a pacy front 3..quick feet etc..you can't take long in getting the ball up to them, if you do they won't have the space to get at the defences.

      Oh sorrrry....your a dope...your stupid..etc etc etc...yawn...

      Henderson never was and never will be a creative midfielder. He is in midfield to control the tempo of our passing and break up attacks through the middle. Keita was signed to add creativity to our midfield but he hasn't settled fully or got to grips with the pace of the midfield.

      For what Hendo is in midfield to do which is to press, break up attacks and move the ball forward from deep he was excellent today.
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      Re: Liverpool 0-0 Manchester City: In game and Post Match discussion
      Reply #348: Oct 07, 2018 08:44:24 pm
      Last season dodgy defence and electrifying attack

      This season electrifying defence and dodgy attack

      We. Are. Liverpool. 😂 It's never simple.
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      Re: Liverpool 0-0 Manchester City: In game and Post Match discussion
      Reply #349: Oct 07, 2018 08:45:46 pm
      No I haven't got that one wrong and the stats nearly always show Hendo in a good light. They DO NOT tell the full story. He wasn't on blob today. I don't knock Hendo as a rule because I know what he offers and today he didn't show for the ball from the back 4. Normally he does and I defend him against others who say he should be doing more and being a bigger influence.

      If you watch the game again. To be fair we probably won't but if you do you will see what I'm getting at. I marked him down because his normal game was not up to scratch...no matter what the stats say. Klopp drops him for a reason and it's mostly because he doesn't get it on to the front foot quick enough. It wasn't that clear to others that Hendo didn't play well. I know that. I know others will call me out. But nevertheless Hendo was off blob today. His worst game for a long time. To be fair City did pass us to death at times but if Alison and the back 4 want to play out of defence Hendo has to make more space to take control and get it forward to feet. He started well but like quite a few today, he faded and looked tired.

      My opinion...clearly not yours..

      Or anyone else's...
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      Reply #350: Oct 07, 2018 08:47:54 pm
      they have lost the CL and they will lose the EPL eventually Karma. Neville and Tyler were constantly wishing City to score in the second half its pathetic RATBOY can't be anything other than a bitter Manc gobs***e when he watches us play

      Can't take Neville seriously (not that I ever really did) after that sojourn at Valencia. F***ing mental that was (not for the poor Valencia fans though).
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      Re: Liverpool 0-0 Manchester City: In game and Post Match discussion
      Reply #351: Oct 07, 2018 08:50:50 pm
      How much have we improved defensively ?

      title winning form and we’re not in form yet
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      Re: Liverpool 0-0 Manchester City: In game and Post Match discussion
      Reply #352: Oct 07, 2018 09:03:03 pm
      Alison....nothing wrong...7

      Gomez......did well going forward, looked a bit jittery under pressure but didn't get roasted by Sterling...6
      Lovren......looked at the Ref and I doubt he would've been surprised if a penalty was given....6
      Van Dijk.....bad decision to make that tackle, Gomez had he been alongside might've got there, apart from that was his normal self..6
      Robinson...Did well going forward as per, didn't get skinned and played well, caught out high once but didn't cost us....7

      Hendo...poor for me, did that little pony trot across the back 4 and never looked for space, gave the back 4 hardly any options, looked flat, didn't really put his normal shift in. Played one decent ball over the top that Salah nearly got to but today Hendo was partly to blame for the disconnect between the Back 4 and the attack. I don't expect him to do stuff he can't do but today his bread & butter game was stale... 5
      Milner...injured....7
      Gini...Battled, ran his socks off but just couldn't get any real influence in the game....6
      Keita....still bedding in, didn't do a great deal that made a huge difference. Not sure his confidence levels are up there just yet...6

      Salah...poor service, spent a lot of energy trying to close down City playing out from the back. Had a half chance that he blazed over. Little bit stale as well but keeps going, our attacks just didn't have enough urgency from back to front...6
      Firmino.....Ran all over the shop, but most of it was again pressing City. Not much came thru from the midfield and when it did Bobby was in Traffic. 6
      Mane...Again lot of pressing, no great runs at the City defence, poor supply lines.Links up well with Robbo but didn't really do much such was the tempo of our attacks.

      Strange game in that we quickly ran out of steam after about 10-15 minutes but City pass you to death and it kills your urgency. But the disconnect between the back 4 and the midfield was obvious. The supply line from the back 4 to midfield was so slow and laboured it was difficult for Mane and the rest to apply pressure. We had to try and stay with City and we just about did that. Not sure if switching Gomez was wise. Lovren isn't that great a defender to justify breaking up the Van/Gomez gig.



      So virtually everyone got a 6 then! Penalty call aside VVD was absolutely superb this afternoon. I can’t quite see how he gets the same score as Keita who was pretty much invisible for 70 minutes.
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      Re: Liverpool 0-0 Manchester City: In game and Post Match discussion
      Reply #353: Oct 07, 2018 09:07:20 pm
      I am curious, what was so poor? It will be interesting to watch back and see what I missed.

      I thought he had the sort of game that Henderson gets panned for. Had lots of the ball (and in some good positions) and did very little with it. Mind you he had a better game than Keita who was worrying anonymous.
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      Re: Liverpool 0-0 Manchester City: In game and Post Match discussion
      Reply #354: Oct 07, 2018 09:14:19 pm
      No I haven't got that one wrong and the stats nearly always show Hendo in a good light. They DO NOT tell the full story. He wasn't on blob today. I don't knock Hendo as a rule because I know what he offers and today he didn't show for the ball from the back 4. Normally he does and I defend him against others who say he should be doing more and being a bigger influence.

      If you watch the game again. To be fair we probably won't but if you do you will see what I'm getting at. I marked him down because his normal game was not up to scratch...no matter what the stats say. Klopp drops him for a reason and it's mostly because he doesn't get it on to the front foot quick enough. It wasn't that clear to others that Hendo didn't play well. I know that. I know others will call me out. But nevertheless Hendo was off blob today. His worst game for a long time. To be fair City did pass us to death at times but if Alison and the back 4 want to play out of defence Hendo has to make more space to take control and get it forward to feet. He started well but like quite a few today, he faded and looked tired.

      My opinion...clearly not yours..

      You know, I do get what you are saying, and I do agree with you that he doesn't initiate the attack as often as he could,  and his movement when we have the ball differs to a more natural specialist or technical footballer (ie. working angles to recieve the pass or creating space for our players or himself), but I didn't think that was the problem today (or maybe it was? I will need to re-watch) and he showed a strong industrial (defensive and pressing) display.

      Anyway, I will give the match a re-watch and try to take into account what you posted. I am very curious to see what I missed.
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      Re: Liverpool 0-0 Manchester City: In game and Post Match discussion
      Reply #355: Oct 07, 2018 09:15:17 pm
      Great at the back same players up front we just seem to be so slow in the build up from back to front and dont seem to press as much
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      Re: Liverpool 0-0 Manchester City: In game and Post Match discussion
      Reply #356: Oct 07, 2018 09:18:18 pm
      we have 7 more points than this time last season

      Because last season we lacked the LUCK we had so far. We need some difference maker in the midfield, period. Keita is not ready, Fabinho probably will never be ready, Gini/Hendo/Milner have proven they are not ready, so it's basically Shaq or some business in January if we wanna compete for silverware.

      We are one player away from being a true contender!
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      Reply #357: Oct 07, 2018 09:18:51 pm
      I thought he had the sort of game that Henderson gets panned for. Had lots of the ball (and in some good positions) and did very little with it. Mind you he had a better game than Keita who was worrying anonymous.

      Tbh, I have only seen one good performance by Keita, and that was the home match vs West Ham, everything after that has been average or poor :(

      I don't think the system is the problem, but more the role he is playing.
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      Re: Liverpool 0-0 Manchester City: In game and Post Match discussion
      Reply #358: Oct 07, 2018 09:24:55 pm
      Very frustrating game in that we still didn't play anywhere near to our best but on the plus side we got a point which was hard earned as we had to defend very well at times.

      I wasn't happy with the starting 11. I hate that midfield three of hendo, Gini and Milner but the biggest shock came at right back. I didn't understand why Jürgen had disrupted the partnership of Gomez and VVD who have been exceptional together all season. If Trent needs a rest (which I thought was obvious after the Napoli game to be honest) then why aren't we playing clyne? There was no need to alter two positions. Lovren, who is a liability at the best of times, was coming in for his first premierleague start and Gomez has also been a liability at full back too. Luckily Sane wasn't starting because I think he'd have caused all sorts of problems down that left if he had.

      First 15-20 mins we came racing out the blocks but we weren't doing enough to threaten their goal. The tempo was good and the press was high but as usual we were lacking that bit of quality or creativity from the middle.

      After that brief spell we kind of just fizzled out then. City saw a lot more of the ball but we kept them at bay. Even though he gave a penalty away towards the end I thought van dijk was immense and he was the clear motm for me.

      It was a boring game in truth and a draw was the fair result. Neither team did enough to win the game and both sides defended very well too. There isn't really much else to say on that.

      I was surprised with how well both Gomez and Lovren did today but it's one I feel we got away with. I hope klopp doesn't go with that defence again because if history repeats itself then we will get caught out sooner rather than later.

      I was also surprised with Henderson's performance too. I see the usual suspects are going way, way, way over top again making out it was some sort of prime Patrick Vieira type performance, it wasn't, but he did actually play a lot better than usual. He usually goes missing in these type of games but he was our best midfielder today and made little or no mistakes. He played well.

      Wijnaldum and Keita weren't great to be honest and neither were the front three. 0 goals in back to back games now and it would have been three if it wasn't for a Wonder strike from Danny Sturridge at Chelsea. There is definitely some cause for concern there now.

      It's funny how we've gone from relying on our attack to keep us in games to now relying on our defence. Our attack needs to start firing soon because we're not going to get away with it for much longer.  It was a good point today, and we've got ourselves in an excellent position but we've got to improve and quickly. The 7 dreadful run of games is over now though and if you offered me those results beforehand then I'd have probably taken them.

      For once I think the international break is coming at a good time for us. Re charge our batteries and then we go to Huddersfield in a couple of weeks. 
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      Re: Liverpool 0-0 Manchester City: In game and Post Match discussion
      Reply #359: Oct 07, 2018 09:31:50 pm
      Midfield and attack have gone a bit stale and Klopp has recognised this, we will see changes in personnel after the break.
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      Re: Liverpool 0-0 Manchester City: In game and Post Match discussion
      Reply #360: Oct 07, 2018 09:37:07 pm
      Midfield and attack have gone a bit stale and Klopp has recognised this, we will see changes in personnel after the break.

      Hope so.
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      Re: Liverpool 0-0 Manchester City: In game and Post Match discussion
      Reply #361: Oct 07, 2018 09:51:42 pm
      City are an exceptional side and played very cleverly today.

      They set up to invite the press and bring us on. We, in turn, were much more cautious about over-committing after the first 20 as we hadn’t got our noses in front.

      Overall I thought they shaded the first half and us the 2nd. In cold light of perspective it’s a pretty decent result to round off a helluva run of fixtures.

      We need a bit more variety now through the middle but I think that’s part of the plan now the newbies have their sea legs st the club.

       Jürgen set out to get here with as few points dropped as possible and give the new guys time to bed in. I have a hunch he’s utterly delighted he’s got here level with City.
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      Re: Liverpool 0-0 Manchester City: In game and Post Match discussion
      Reply #362: Oct 07, 2018 09:53:49 pm

      Press our wingbacks and DM and our creativity is stifled easily.
      You can now see why Klopp wanted Fekir knowing Ox was out for the season.

      The other aspect of this is that the expectations on Naby have risen exponentially to be that player but that is not his game.

      Klopp needs to change it up not just to get the front 3 clicking but because it’s a long season and it’s not healthy to keep picking the same 3 in midfield and attack that’s asking for injuries.

      « Last Edit: Oct 07, 2018 10:17:56 pm by HScRed1 »
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      Re: Liverpool 0-0 Manchester City: In game and Post Match discussion
      Reply #363: Oct 07, 2018 09:55:04 pm
      Midfield and attack have gone a bit stale and Klopp has recognised this, we will see changes in personnel after the break.

      From where do you take that? In his PC he seemed fine and praised the team. I think Jürgen is more and more lost without Buvac, because that was his brain, he's only the feel-good guy and that's not enough longterm.
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      Re: Liverpool 0-0 Manchester City: In game and Post Match discussion
      Reply #364: Oct 07, 2018 09:58:19 pm
      Our style of playing frightens Pep. He turned his City into another 'team' that came to stifle us at the expense of their free-flowing dynamic football.

      « Last Edit: Oct 07, 2018 10:10:48 pm by Rush »
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      Re: Liverpool 0-0 Manchester City: In game and Post Match discussion
      Reply #365: Oct 07, 2018 10:00:09 pm
      Our style of playing frightens Pep. He turned his City into another 'team' that came to stifle us and the expense of their free-flowing dynamic football.


      Spot on for me Rush.

      I take way more positives than negatives from today.

      We’re well set.
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      Re: Liverpool 0-0 Manchester City: In game and Post Match discussion
      Reply #366: Oct 07, 2018 10:02:02 pm
      From where do you take that? In his PC he seemed fine and praised the team. I think Jürgen is more and more lost without Buvac, because that was his brain, he's only the feel-good guy and that's not enough longterm.

      Well in that case you should learn to listen better.

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      Re: Liverpool 0-0 Manchester City: In game and Post Match discussion
      Reply #367: Oct 07, 2018 10:10:11 pm
      From where do you take that? In his PC he seemed fine and praised the team. I think Jürgen is more and more lost without Buvac, because that was his brain, he's only the feel-good guy and that's not enough longterm.

      Clueless

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