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      Liverpool 4-1 Cardiff City: In game and Post Match discussion

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      Re: Liverpool 4-1 Cardiff City: In game and Post Match discussion
      Reply #360: Oct 27, 2018 11:08:47 pm
      I think he can morph into that midfield role pretty easy. He needs someone like Gini and Fab beside him to do the "dirty" job, but that's about it. A guy as skilled as Shaq should touch the ball as much as possible. I think he is our solution for a player like City has in KDB/Silva, Chelsea has in Hazard or Barca has in Messi/Coutinho. No idea what Jürgen thinks, maybe he really only sees Shaq as a striker-midfielder hybrid to bring when he wants to maximize offensive pressure, but I do see more in the little swiss bull: I see a white Maradona in the making.

      Wait what you are saying Fabinho should be a starter, only a couple of weeks ago you were saying he should be moved on!

      Modern fans  :lmao:

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      Re: Liverpool 4-1 Cardiff City: In game and Post Match discussion
      Reply #361: Oct 27, 2018 11:21:31 pm
      Wait what you are saying Fabinho should be a starter, only a couple of weeks ago you were saying he should be moved on!

      Modern fans  :lmao:

      I just erred. I was too impatient with Fab. A couple of years ago Jürgen complained about City's & PSG's spending sprees, only to do the same this offseason. When asked he answered: I don't care about my gossip from yesterday.
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      Re: Liverpool 4-1 Cardiff City: In game and Post Match discussion
      Reply #362: Oct 27, 2018 11:23:18 pm
      Great win taught we control game without have go in second gear even, on other note hope people are OK in Leinster city car park helicopter cash
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      Re: Liverpool 4-1 Cardiff City: In game and Post Match discussion
      Reply #363: Oct 27, 2018 11:24:36 pm
      By virtue of the definition they have to bring attacking play. They also, however have to be mindful of what a Klopp system requires of them defensively. Naturally not as much as a DM but a role none the less.
      Now wether Lallana or Keita add much depends on how you quantify the word much. Regardless, however of how you quantify it they offer more than Shaqiri.
      It's a well formed opinion so I +1 that, I have seen Lallana get stuck in and Keita is a very big guy, I don't think Shaqiri is as bad defensively as people make out though and he is better at carving open defenses. It's opinion based anyway.. it's early days and we'll see I guess. When Coutinho was playing in the middle I didn't like it for the defensive frailties and as a forward he seemed more like a scorer of great goals rather than a great goalscorer... so I so see Shaqiri as an upgrade on some respects.
      « Last Edit: Oct 27, 2018 11:32:27 pm by Ribapuru »
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      Re: Liverpool 4-1 Cardiff City: In game and Post Match discussion
      Reply #364: Oct 28, 2018 12:26:53 am
      Stop bickering you clowns, nobody gives a f**k and we're top of the league!!
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      Re: Liverpool 4-1 Cardiff City: In game and Post Match discussion
      Reply #365: Oct 28, 2018 12:47:53 am
      Remember, don't feed the trolls.
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      Re: Liverpool 4-1 Cardiff City: In game and Post Match discussion
      Reply #366: Oct 28, 2018 01:05:00 am
      We've waited many a season for a team to have genuine (and i mean genuine) title ambitions. Don't see the point in ruining it by being a pr**k.
      I've been saying I rate Shaqiri to be in first xi. Other people have disagreed, now I'm being called a troll and a pr**k for it. Are you guys serious? Just f*ck off will you. Also there was no bickering, just a healthy debate until you and Robby poked your stupid noses in. Do you really think I would have +1 him if we were arguing?


      Stop bickering you clowns, nobody gives a f**k and we're top of the league!!
      No need for this, this is what instigated a negative feeling, not the debate about Shaqiri, in which I'm pro Shaqiri.
      « Last Edit: Oct 28, 2018 01:15:02 am by Ribapuru »
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      Re: Liverpool 4-1 Cardiff City: In game and Post Match discussion
      Reply #367: Oct 28, 2018 01:09:02 am
      For me the midfield should be one DM, one central and one attacking within a 433 as below.

                              ↑
                          ATM     ↑
               DM         ↓     CM
                 ↓                     ↓

      You see the ATM starts a bit forward.
      The CM and ATM both should run up and down the field, but the DM only should track back.

      In depth analysis at it's finest.

      "They should both run up and down".

       :roll:
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      Re: Liverpool 4-1 Cardiff City: In game and Post Match discussion
      Reply #368: Oct 28, 2018 01:15:32 am
      In depth analysis at it's finest.

      "They should both run up and down".

       :roll:
      sideways too
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      Re: Liverpool 4-1 Cardiff City: In game and Post Match discussion
      Reply #369: Oct 28, 2018 01:21:10 am
      I just erred. I was too impatient with Fab. A couple of years ago Jürgen complained about City's & PSG's spending sprees, only to do the same this offseason. When asked he answered: I don't care about my gossip from yesterday.

      Your yesterdays gossip is your todays bullshit. I.e. no one should ever take you seriously.
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      Re: Liverpool 4-1 Cardiff City: In game and Post Match discussion
      Reply #370: Oct 28, 2018 01:22:16 am
      For me the midfield should be one DM, one central and one attacking within a 433 as below.

                              ↑
                          ATM     ↑
               DM         ↓     CM
                 ↓                     ↓

      You see the ATM starts a bit forward.
      The CM and ATM both should run up and down the field, but the DM only should track back.

      You mean how it's been done always?
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      Re: Liverpool 4-1 Cardiff City: In game and Post Match discussion
      Reply #371: Oct 28, 2018 01:45:18 am
      Great game, pure domination by Liverpool particularly in the first 45. Cardiff must have gone into the break feeling dizzy. I like the 4-2-3-1 formation though Bobby seemed to have a hard time in that middle AM role. VVD and Lovren were rocks and Fabinho and Gini were tremendous breaking up everything. Good to see Lallana get more game time to help him regain form. Would have been great to see him score that header right before half time. Salah and Mane were beasts and that pass from Mo for Mane's second was sublime. Really weak goal by Alisson who otherwise was mostly a spectator though good job being alert and quick to come off his line to catch balls into the area.

      Coming off the international break, Huddersfield, Red Star and Cardiff are exactly what we needed to get us going again with a real tough game at Arsenal coming next.
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      Re: Liverpool 4-1 Cardiff City: In game and Post Match discussion
      Reply #372: Oct 28, 2018 04:32:56 am
      Really weird game, we dominated the vast majority of that game but didn't quite click until the last few minutes. I'm still slightly confused by the goal we conceded, obviously poor from Moreno but I'm not sure if it was also a bit poor from Allison but then he was probably half asleep at that point as he had had sod all to do.
      Conclusions are that Moreno is still sh*t, I prefer Gomez to Vvd, prefer Shaq to Lallana, Fabinho looking v good and Sadio and Mo are finally starting to click again.
      All in all 3 good points and an improvement to our goal difference
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      Re: Liverpool 4-1 Cardiff City: In game and Post Match discussion
      Reply #373: Oct 28, 2018 06:51:23 am
      Think it's safe to say now that the days of the fragile mentality are gone now.

      We are very solid now. Probably the most solid we've ever been in a long f**king time.

      Teams genuinely fear us now that we don't have a liability at GK or defence.

      Great times ahead.
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      Re: Liverpool 4-1 Cardiff City: In game and Post Match discussion
      Reply #374: Oct 28, 2018 07:37:37 am
      Think it's safe to say now that the days of the fragile mentality are gone now.

      We are very solid now. Probably the most solid we've ever been in a long f**king time.

      Teams genuinely fear us now that we don't have a liability at GK or defence.

      Great times ahead.

      Well done the REDS on another good win,we just have to stay consistent now and bring number 19 home where it belongs at Anfield.
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      Re: Liverpool 4-1 Cardiff City: In game and Post Match discussion
      Reply #375: Oct 28, 2018 08:18:41 am
      Think it's safe to say now that the days of the fragile mentality are gone now.

      We are very solid now. Probably the most solid we've ever been in a long f**king time.

      Teams genuinely fear us now that we don't have a liability at GK or defence.

      Great times ahead.
      Yep,I think plenty of us on these boards no longer sh*t ourselves when the opposition gets in our box I know I don't & by the looks of things our back line don't either ,great times ahead indeed.
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      Re: Liverpool 4-1 Cardiff City: In game and Post Match discussion
      Reply #376: Oct 28, 2018 08:29:59 am
      Really weird game, we dominated the vast majority of that game but didn't quite click until the last few minutes. I'm still slightly confused by the goal we conceded, obviously poor from Moreno but I'm not sure if it was also a bit poor from Allison but then he was probably half asleep at that point as he had had sod all to do.
      Conclusions are that Moreno is still sh*t, I prefer Gomez to Vvd, prefer Shaq to Lallana, Fabinho looking v good and Sadio and Mo are finally starting to click again.
      All in all 3 good points and an improvement to our goal difference

      You want VVD on the bench?
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      Reply #377: Oct 28, 2018 08:46:03 am
      I'm not going to debate this, not because it's right... It's hideously wrong! But i can't be bothered to argue with people who say comments like "Shaqiri shouldn't feature against top sides".

      No one has said “Shaqiri shouldn’t feature against Top sides” - you are trying to read something that isn’t there

      Go back and read again what I said

      Shaqiri won’t play in the midfield - that doesn’t mean he won’t feature against tbe top side
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      Re: Liverpool 4-1 Cardiff City: In game and Post Match discussion
      Reply #378: Oct 28, 2018 08:50:16 am
      No one has said “Shaqiri shouldn’t feature against Top sides” - you are trying to read something that isn’t there

      Go back and read again what I said

      Shaqiri won’t play in the midfield - that doesn’t mean he won’t feature against tbe top side

      Yawn
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      Re: Liverpool 4-1 Cardiff City: In game and Post Match discussion
      Reply #379: Oct 28, 2018 08:54:43 am

      Sorry no, bit of a typo, VVD and Gomez.
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      Re: Liverpool 4-1 Cardiff City: In game and Post Match discussion
      Reply #380: Oct 28, 2018 08:58:21 am
      Bring on Arsenal they play football but at about half the pace we do its going to be a feast for the eyes.
      Just seen that was Mo's 33rd goal in 35 games at Anfield . Cardiff could have been a banana skin but the lads done great.
      One other thing Stuart Atwell is not a premier league standard Ref he is useless
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      Re: Liverpool 4-1 Cardiff City: In game and Post Match discussion
      Reply #381: Oct 28, 2018 08:58:59 am
      There’s a difference between ‘won’t feature’ and ‘won’t start’.
      As an impact player to change a game would be one thing but to start Shaqiri against the top sides would be a mistake.
      Why do you believe that...?

      As far as I know under Klopp or else where for that matter Shaqiri has never give me the impression that he would struggle against so called "Top Side" and so what if he does not track back at times, and I will stress "At Times", does Mo Salah track back all the time...?

      I would start him against both Red Star and Arsenal...

      I believe what he brings to the team in attack more than compensates to what we lose with him not always tracking back,plus if we are more potent in attack teams, even "top Team" will have to be that little bit more defensive, which mean that they in turn will be less potent in attack.
      « Last Edit: Oct 28, 2018 09:03:39 am by The Real Donavan Ried »
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      Re: Liverpool 4-1 Cardiff City: In game and Post Match discussion
      Reply #382: Oct 28, 2018 09:00:16 am
      Bring on Arsenal they play football but at about half the pace we do its going to be a feast for the eyes.
      Just seen that was Mo's 33rd goal in 35 games at Anfield . Cardiff could have been a banana skin but the lads done great.
      One other thing Stuart Atwell is not a premier league standard Ref he is useless

      Should be a good game, Arsenal have a very tasty attack at the moment but I still have big question marks over their defence. With our strikers starting to click into gear I fancy us to win the match but please no Moreno as LB!
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      Re: Liverpool 4-1 Cardiff City: In game and Post Match discussion
      Reply #383: Oct 28, 2018 09:02:42 am
      I think he can morph into that midfield role pretty easy. He needs someone like Gini and Fab beside him to do the "dirty" job, but that's about it. A guy as skilled as Shaq should touch the ball as much as possible. I think he is our solution for a player like City has in KDB/Silva, Chelsea has in Hazard or Barca has in Messi/Coutinho. No idea what Jürgen thinks, maybe he really only sees Shaq as a striker-midfielder hybrid to bring when he wants to maximize offensive pressure, but I do see more in the little swiss bull: I see a white Maradona in the making.
      Agree with most of this except maybe the comparison to Hazard and Messi on the rest I believe you are spot on
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      Re: Liverpool 4-1 Cardiff City: In game and Post Match discussion
      Reply #384: Oct 28, 2018 09:15:37 am
      but I'm not sure if it was also a bit poor from Allison but then he was probably half asleep at that point as he had had sod all to do.

      I have always though watching Allison that he seem slow to get down to the ball. But not the case for the goal yes today


      It that Gomez over VVD, or Gomez with VVD..??
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      Re: Liverpool 4-1 Cardiff City: In game and Post Match discussion
      Reply #385: Oct 28, 2018 09:46:44 am
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      Reply #386: Oct 28, 2018 09:47:04 am
      You can’t go in against Someone like City or Madrid with Shaqiri in the middle of the park - he just isn’t that sort of player to get stuck in and battle against another three in the middle

      Got to say I'm a big fan of Shaqiri but even I agree with this post.  He's also a tad careless with the ball and against the better midfields that loses you the ball and starts an attack. 

      He's going to be very involved in 25+ league games a season but there will be some where he is a luxury too far IMO.
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      Re: Liverpool 4-1 Cardiff City: In game and Post Match discussion
      Reply #387: Oct 28, 2018 11:30:57 am
      If any of the front 3 need a rest and we have a match have against a top side, he could still slot in the front 3 or as a #10 though right?
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      Re: Liverpool 4-1 Cardiff City: In game and Post Match discussion
      Reply #388: Oct 28, 2018 11:36:25 am
      Got to say, looking at the link up between Mo and Shaq, they can cause a lot of issues for most teams.

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      Reply #389: Oct 28, 2018 12:23:19 pm
      Got to say, looking at the link up between Mo and Shaq, they can cause a lot of issues for most teams.



      Shaq is always buzzing here and there looking to make the final pass while Mo is always running into space to receive the final pass. Its hand in glove. Keita would be another welcome option. What I like about this match is the lads ran deep into the oppo defence that really unsettled them very much. Like the saying goes, once the final ball into the box, what happened after that is random.

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