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      Red Star Belgrade 2-0 Liverpool: In game and Post Match discussion

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      Re: Red Star Belgrade 2-0 Liverpool: In game and Post Match discussion
      Reply #650: Nov 07, 2018 09:05:27 am
      Worst I've seen us play for over a year that.

      No creativity, slow on ball, bad decision making, silly loss of possession.

      I still think we can progress as PSG despite all their names imo are just sh*te and will give us opportunities due to their arrogance.

      However, I think this is the reason why we wanted fekir in the summer, someone to link the midfield with attack.

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      Re: Red Star Belgrade 2-0 Liverpool: In game and Post Match discussion
      Reply #651: Nov 07, 2018 09:44:17 am
      Our form has dropped significantly since Buvac left.

      Coincicence?
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      Reply #652: Nov 07, 2018 09:51:34 am
      Midfield was the most culpable for me. Especially Gini who went back to his old invisible self. Completely missing in the run up to the second goal, completely missing in almost every attack.

      We tried to shift wide and ended up coming back to the backline because there was nothing in between.

      That said, sometimes we need game's like this in a season to reevaluate things. Not too worried.
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      Re: Red Star Belgrade 2-0 Liverpool: In game and Post Match discussion
      Reply #653: Nov 07, 2018 10:05:34 am
      Our form has dropped significantly since Buvac left.

      Coincicence?

      No I don't think it is, ever since he left we have really lacked those WOW performances, the magic has left the team and if anything we seem to be going backwards in recent weeks. Yes I know our defence is much improved now but as we saw yesterday even the defence can have an off game and then if the midfield and forwards are below par, as they have been all season, you get an arse kicking.

      The owners need to sit down with Jürgen and Buvac and get some kind of reconciliation between those two because its clear as day that the team is weaker without him.

      I'm still unclear exactly what happened between the pair but f this article is right then it was more down to Jürgen being an egomaniac and bit of a pr**k; https://www.101greatgoals.com/news/klopp-buvac-happened-liverpool/


      I'm actually a bit confused, has he officially left or is he still on sabbatical, come on Jürgen and Zeljko, kiss and make up FFS, the team needs both of you.
      « Last Edit: Nov 07, 2018 10:16:28 am by heimdall »
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      Re: Red Star Belgrade 2-0 Liverpool: In game and Post Match discussion
      Reply #654: Nov 07, 2018 10:14:02 am
      Despite last nights horror show am I right in thinking a win in Paris will see us qualify?
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      Re: Red Star Belgrade 2-0 Liverpool: In game and Post Match discussion
      Reply #655: Nov 07, 2018 10:36:21 am
      Despite last nights horror show am I right in thinking a win in Paris will see us qualify?

      Yes.
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      Re: Red Star Belgrade 2-0 Liverpool: In game and Post Match discussion
      Reply #656: Nov 07, 2018 10:41:17 am

      I actually think we will beat PSG, just a gut feeling, but I wouldn't be surprised if it will all come down to the final game against Napoli and a late late goal to give us the 2 goal win.
      I said before this match that it wasn't a must win game but we now need to beat either Napoli or PSG and if we can rediscover our mojo then we are more than capable of doing that, but Klopp needs to get this team firing again.


      BTW I can also see Red Star beating PSG if they play with the same intensity as last night.
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      Re: Red Star Belgrade 2-0 Liverpool: In game and Post Match discussion
      Reply #657: Nov 07, 2018 10:49:19 am
      So now it’s down to Bivac leaving? Clutching at straws here, we are 2points behind City & are likely to go through to the knockout stages of the CL...We control our own destiny.
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      Re: Red Star Belgrade 2-0 Liverpool: In game and Post Match discussion
      Reply #658: Nov 07, 2018 10:50:05 am
      You see, this is where people need to get a grip. We haven't performed near to our potential this season, Fabinho and Keita haven't settled yet, we're lacking creativity in the middle of the park and our forwards are misfiring, and yet in spite of all this, we're top third in the league, two points off a City with far greater resources than us (not to mention friends in high places) and still have a very real chance of going through to the Knockout stages having topped our group, and that my friend is down to Klopp. Does he make mistakes? He's human, obviously he does. We're all experts with hindsight but you weren't moaning about that team before kickoff. So give the hysterics a rest and let's see what the next few games bring.
      When I saw the line up and saw Sturrigde and Lallana my heart sank, for me these two players should have been shipped out a season ago and the money re -invested in a quality player
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      Reply #659: Nov 07, 2018 10:55:39 am
      Lallana is one of the most overated players in England. He offer nothing, just 2 Hollywood acts per game usually.

      Our midfield is main concern and some player need to step up.
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      Reply #660: Nov 07, 2018 11:22:37 am
      A lot of focus on the midfield. But didn't have our strongest lineup in the middle last night, or even in recent games - and we can do better there.

      But when you compare how Bob and Mo have played so far this year [with Mane in slightly better form than those two], for me that is by far the main difference this season. We have Sturge contributing, but not at the level of those two from last year.
      We've been wasteful in the final 3rd, sloppy passing, poor shooting.  There's not much Jürgen can do about that, apart from keep playing the lads as much as possible so they get opportunities to improve, while balancing that against freshness and the form of other players.  Once those guys start going thro the gears, will make a massive difference.

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      Re: Red Star Belgrade 2-0 Liverpool: In game and Post Match discussion
      Reply #661: Nov 07, 2018 11:31:26 am
      I be Liverpool fan all my life , don't just come on when we lose give out about team, l said before boss is class and great manger, but l said that our midfield worse see in Liverpool team just workhorses no skill our backline is good and still think forwards very good on their day, but people think we win anything with milner Adam lallana Henderson in midfield new players we got in midfield not work so far, just say city not spent more then scum or us on midfield they better mix power skill in midfield same with spurs better then us in that area
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      Re: Red Star Belgrade 2-0 Liverpool: In game and Post Match discussion
      Reply #662: Nov 07, 2018 11:37:20 am
      Tiredness.

      It seems that Firmino has played 10 millions games already and Salah is not too far behind this season with WC and also this bloody pointless useless internationals. It is is fine to have international breaks if you are actually *not* playing them. It is *tiredness* that is keeping the front three of the boil, particularly Firmino. Also of course, we need a midfield that can provide something to them. Last season it seems that the front three made almost all the goals which have dried up now while the midfield is not contributing anything at all.

      Also, I am not surprised by the pragmatic approach by Klopp this season instead of the gungho of last year. The front three (perhaps even the midfield) would be on their knees by December if we play the gungho style.

      Quite simply, we need to bring in fresh pair of legs in Shaqiri, Fabinho, Keita and keep them in the team while others recover. We need to give these guys few games to get going. Although it will *not* happen, a forward/winger in January may help Salah & co to focus & also provide some rest.

      At least that is my 2p worth.
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      Re: Red Star Belgrade 2-0 Liverpool: In game and Post Match discussion
      Reply #663: Nov 07, 2018 12:19:36 pm
      So now it’s down to Bivac leaving? Clutching at straws here, we are 2points behind City & are likely to go through to the knockout stages of the CL...We control our own destiny.

      Are we that likely though on current form?

      I'm not convinced.
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      Re: Red Star Belgrade 2-0 Liverpool: In game and Post Match discussion
      Reply #664: Nov 07, 2018 12:20:12 pm

      So no need to panic just yet then
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      Reply #665: Nov 07, 2018 12:21:11 pm
      Tiredness.

      It seems that Firmino has played 10 millions games already and Salah is not too far behind this season with WC and also this bloody pointless useless internationals. It is is fine to have international breaks if you are actually *not* playing them. It is *tiredness* that is keeping the front three of the boil, particularly Firmino. Also of course, we need a midfield that can provide something to them. Last season it seems that the front three made almost all the goals which have dried up now while the midfield is not contributing anything at all.

      Also, I am not surprised by the pragmatic approach by Klopp this season instead of the gungho of last year. The front three (perhaps even the midfield) would be on their knees by December if we play the gungho style.

      Quite simply, we need to bring in fresh pair of legs in Shaqiri, Fabinho, Keita and keep them in the team while others recover. We need to give these guys few games to get going. Although it will *not* happen, a forward/winger in January may help Salah & co to focus & also provide some rest.

      At least that is my 2p worth.

      I think we will see Brewster and possibly Jones come in to the team in January mate to add freshness to the squad
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      Re: Red Star Belgrade 2-0 Liverpool: In game and Post Match discussion
      Reply #666: Nov 07, 2018 12:30:49 pm
      So now it’s down to Bivac leaving? Clutching at straws here, we are 2points behind City & are likely to go through to the knockout stages of the CL...We control our own destiny.

      100% mate. I love that line of thinking about Klopp not being competent without Buvac.

      Literally not one person on here knows exactly what Buvac did and how that compares to his backup now.

      Everybody needs a panacea........send for the snake oil salesmen 🙄
      « Last Edit: Nov 07, 2018 12:37:47 pm by Scotia »
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      Reply #667: Nov 07, 2018 12:32:04 pm
      I think we will see Brewster and possibly Jones come in to the team in January mate to add freshness to the squad

      Quite frankly, I don't mind seeing the youngsters in the team for say 20 minutes a time against Fulham, Huddersfield and like but Klopp doesn't do that. I would love to see Jones come in for a game and show what he is made of or not. At least we would know if he can hack it at the highest level.
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      Reply #668: Nov 07, 2018 12:35:23 pm
      Quite frankly, I don't mind seeing the youngsters in the team for say 20 minutes a time against Fulham, Huddersfield and like but Klopp doesn't do that. I would love to see Jones come in for a game and show what he is made of or not. At least we would know if he can hack it at the highest level.


      How is Jones going to get a game we have Fab who is being introduced slowly into the team and Keita now back from injury.

      Not to mention all the incumbents ahead of Curtis Jones.
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      Reply #669: Nov 07, 2018 12:39:54 pm
      How is Jones going to get a game we have Fab who is being introduced slowly into the team and Keita now back from injury.

      Not to mention all the incumbents ahead of Curtis Jones.


      I was thinking instead of Milner/Wini/Lallana in short burts.
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      Re: Red Star Belgrade 2-0 Liverpool: In game and Post Match discussion
      Reply #670: Nov 07, 2018 12:46:44 pm
      So now it’s down to Bivac leaving? Clutching at straws here, we are 2points behind City & are likely to go through to the knockout stages of the CL...We control our own destiny.

      Well Buvac left in between the 2 Roma legs and can you recall a match after that where we really played great football, the kind of exciting football that propelled us to the CL final?
      The influence of Buvac is quite clearly a factor here, if for no other reason than Klopp misses his best mate and sounding board.
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      Reply #671: Nov 07, 2018 12:50:03 pm
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      Every time we don't play well you arrive on here talking about losing faith in the manager and how far we are behind City.....why don't you just f**k off and support them then you won't have to worry.

      Some fans (won't call you a supporter as they are clearly 2 different things) f**k me get a grip.

      In fairness, well done for being able to make sense of it all, because I can't. "Walford", "Lenster City", "Bouremouth" etc. There are fans here whose second or third language is English, yet I can still understand perfectly whatever point they're trying to make.

      I posted after the home win, basically that I was worried that the home game would lull people into a false sense of security, and it seems like I was proved right. Some said they were Maribor in disguise. Others talked about winning "3-0" in Belgrade.

      Look, every team that qualifies for this level, whether they're first or fourth seeds, are there on merit, and should be taken seriously and with respect. There's no gimmes in the European Cup away from home. Belgrade is a great city, but Red Star always has been a tough place to go, down the years. Having gone away to Partizan in the past, 500 yards down the road, with my local club, and won, I know how vociferous the fans are and know there's no such thing as "quieten the fans" in Belgrade, even when you score. There's a few seconds pause in the wall of sound, but by the time you kick off again, it's back to ear splitting volume. It's not that intimidating, it's just their fan culture, and there is no let up. If we had that noise every week at home, instead of just a few times a year, it would be great. If we really really want to, there's no reason why it can't be like that every week at home.

      The complacency started with the team selection, which raised eyebrows, sent out the wrong message, and backfired. By the time the errors were rectified at half time, the damage was already done. And it seems that for all the talk beforehand that the atmosphere wouldn't affect the team, it seemed like it did. Why else were we two down in half an hour?

      Searching for positives isn't easy, but we have beaten Red Star 4-2 on aggregate, which is effectively an extra point over them, and a win in Paris will put us through.

      Napoli have beaten PSG on away goals. We can still qualify for the next round with a home win over them, but that could be another Olympiakos scenario where 3 goals may be required. I still think we'll qualify as having the last game at home in a group like this, is a massive advantage imo, and I think it will help us get there if we need it. But English clubs have already lost 6 group games so far, and most have a lot of work to do to make the next round. The thing to take from this game, is that nothing in this competition can be taken for granted.
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      Re: Red Star Belgrade 2-0 Liverpool: In game and Post Match discussion
      Reply #672: Nov 07, 2018 12:52:28 pm
      I was thinking instead of Milner/Wini/Lallana in short burts.

      Correct me if I am wrong but has he even played a PL game yet?

      Others who have like Ojo and Woodburn were loaned out due to lack of playing opportunities.

      He may have a chance in a early round of the FA Cup but barring a injury crisis i doubt we will see much of him this season at least.

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      Reply #673: Nov 07, 2018 01:02:21 pm
      Correct me if I am wrong but has he even played a PL game yet?

      Others who have like Ojo and Woodburn were loaned out due to lack of playing opportunities.

      He may have a chance in a early round of the FA Cup but barring a injury crisis i doubt we will see much of him this season at least.



      I know. It is wishful thinking on my part.

      Quite frankly, even with so many bodies for the midfield three, I would like to see a change from time to time. Unfortunately, Klopp doesn't go for this option.
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      Re: Red Star Belgrade 2-0 Liverpool: In game and Post Match discussion
      Reply #674: Nov 07, 2018 01:12:19 pm
      Lethargic is the best word I can use.

      I'm sure most of us have seen or been involved in a Sunday league game after lads had been out on the piss the night before, well that's how our lads looked to me.
      That's a bit of an exaggeration, but not much, and at least none of them puked on the pitch.

      They look seriously in need of a second wind.

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