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      1 former player you'd love now

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      Harrisimo
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      Re: 1 former player you'd love now
      Reply #60: Nov 11, 2018 02:58:43 pm
      The one...the only....Mr.....Ian Callaghan. Gave every once in every game and played a total of 857....eight hundred and fifty seven games...Klopp could've sent Cally out on his own in the second half today..and Fulham would've noticed.
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      Reply #61: Nov 11, 2018 04:00:00 pm
      Steven Gerrard.
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      Reply #62: Nov 11, 2018 06:13:43 pm
      Hard to compare.

      If you look at things in a vacuum then it's obvious todays players are vastly superior in terms of athleticism, there's no arguing that. However to really look at things properly you have to account facilities available, the rules of the time and the players they would be playing with and against and think 'what would x have done in y's time period'. Would Souness in him prime if plucked from the 80s be good in todays game? Not a f**king hope in hell, he'd be left huffing and puffing and without doubt be sent off. However if he was born in 1990 with the same 'natural talent' if you want to call it that, raised through the system with the facilities and played and developed into the game we play today, he'd undoubtedly be top quality (if any of that makes sense :laugh: ) One of footballs most fascinating questions in my eyes.

      I think your over-estimating the difference in fitness between then and now. Today's players do a lot more gym work - working on their upper body strength etc ( but also cos it looks good, the vain cu*ts). But on the aerobic stuff that helps you get about the pitch - yeah they will be a bit fitter, and their diet will be better ( and if you look at the likes of Ronaldo and Bale, I don't know about you, but I think *steroids*), but not as much as all that. Players back then still trained hard ( most of them anyway) on the stamina side of things. I think peak Souness could play DM in our current midfield without a problem.

      To make the point - look at say Alonso. Not exactly a midfield dynamo style player. Was he significantly fitter or more athletic than Souness? I wouldn't say so. But up to a couple of years ago playing ( at the age of about 35) for Bayern Munich. And a Bayern Munich managed by Guardiola, the classic high tempo modern coach. If he could do that, I don't see why peak Souness would struggle.
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      Reply #63: Nov 11, 2018 10:33:45 pm
      Sounness for me, or Dalglish, or better yet, Dalglouness
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      Reply #64: Nov 12, 2018 03:02:37 am
      Imagine having Steven Gerrard at his pomp in this team. Christ.

      Even Xabi.
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      Reply #65: Nov 12, 2018 06:41:54 am
      Tommy Smith would put some bight into the present team.Oh and a young Ray Clemence  while we are dreaming.

      Sorry for changing my mind but in all honesty I would have to have the late great Billy Liddell in any Liverpool team.He gave so much to the Liverpool cause.
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      Reply #66: Nov 12, 2018 07:36:57 am

      Sorry for changing my mind but in all honesty I would have to have the late great Billy Liddell in any Liverpool team.He gave so much to the Liverpool cause.

      Must admit Billy - I was surprised you didn’t go for the great man initially........

      So many to choose from......
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      Reply #67: Nov 12, 2018 07:45:19 am
      Must admit Billy - I was surprised you didn’t go for the great man initially........

      So many to choose from......

      To be honest Al i thought people might get fed up with my going on how great he really was.When we were in the old second division he kept this club alive.Even after all these years I can still picture the great man.
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      Reply #68: Nov 12, 2018 08:44:10 am
      Stevie g
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      Reply #69: Nov 12, 2018 10:47:38 am
      Imagine having Steven Gerrard at his pomp in this team. Christ.

      Even Xabi.

      Our midfield from 2007-2009 behind the front three would be terrific.

      Alisson
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      Mascherano Alonso Gerrard
      Salah Firmino Mane
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      Reply #70: Nov 12, 2018 01:08:05 pm
      I have to agree with the Suarez pick from above. Suarez from the year of our title challenge on this team would literally be unplayable. He'd have 70 goals.
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      Reply #71: Nov 12, 2018 01:25:27 pm
      SOUNESS.

      Only draw back would be that he would play 1 game miss the next 3....
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      Reply #72: Nov 12, 2018 01:41:52 pm
      Two very noticeable camps in this thread;
      The younger fans, premier league era if you like, picking the players they know and saw, and the older lads doing the same with the likes of KK and Souness.

      Of course both views have merit, but it's almost impossible to explain just how good the likes of KK and Souness actually were.
      We didn't have 30 camera's showing a player from every conceivable angle back then, and the youtube clips don't do them justice, along with the likes of McDermott, Kennedy (either one), Rush, Smith, Heighway etc etc
      The list is a long one and we've been lucky to have such fantastic players at our club.

      Going back to fitness, here's a dressing room pic.
      Look at the muscle development which is that of an athlete, from a time when players didn't hit the weights like they do now.


      Sent off after fisticuffs with Bremner (behind)


      You can see they are not as ripped as todays players, but clearly they are fit as fiddles.
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      Reply #73: Nov 12, 2018 03:17:49 pm
      I agree.

      It’s not really about fitness per se in my opinion mate.

      More about knowledge / education. Players today are fitter because we have far greater understanding of sports science / nutrition etc.

      Available today the vast majority of great players would transition no problem.

      End of the day you need to be able to play. As the King himself said - “.....if you cannae play football a bowl of pasta’s no gonnae change that”.......

      Mic drop........
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      Reply #74: Nov 12, 2018 03:24:25 pm
      I have to agree with the Suarez pick from above. Suarez from the year of our title challenge on this team would literally be unplayable. He'd have 70 goals.

      Agree mate.  Suarez is only one player I definitely believe put him in our current team and we almost guarantee winning a lot of trophies, and the 19.  He's absolutely Klopp player (not a bite thing), he's proved he's above everyone in EPL, and he's a team player.

      Of course there are plenty of true legends in the past but I'm not lucky enough to see them play :(
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      Reply #75: Nov 12, 2018 03:25:54 pm
      Tough question.... Only 1 makes it so difficult....

      I would have to go with Gerrard based on what we need now to push the team forward and to be another leader on the pitch. Christ, with him in his prime and the players we have now it would be an unreal team. Also, in todays Prem I dont see many players of his type anymore - perhaps this is the way its going to go...
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      Reply #76: Nov 12, 2018 03:30:51 pm
      I agree.

      It’s not really about fitness per se in my opinion mate.

      More about knowledge / education. Players today are fitter because we have far greater understanding of sports science / nutrition etc.

      Available today the vast majority of great players would transition no problem.

      End of the day you need to be able to play. As the King himself said - “.....if you cannae play football a bowl of pasta’s no gonnae change that”.......

      Mic drop........

      I've had this conversation a few times over the years, and there's a couple of points that need consideration imo.
      People in general were smaller, there was very little obesity around, a lot of lads looked skinny but were strong as f**k, so when people speak to me about "older" players getting bullied off the ball etc I tend to laugh, because a lot of these players were hard as nails and strong as a horse. They just didn't look it because they weren't bulked up, they didn't have the kind of "model muscle" as I call it, but the core was just as strong.

      The other point is that these guys got absolutely hammered out on the pitch, I mean the tackles were absolutely brutal and I often wondered how they carried on, but they knew how to ride a tackle, their balance was superb and the could take the knocks.
      Of course a lot of them now have problems with knees, ankles, necks, hips etc but a lot of todays players are going to have problems as well, because they are carrying weight which is not natural for them, in added muscle.

      And then there was the ball; not one of the featherlight things they have now, the ball had real weight, and to get bend, curl, dip on it was a proper art, and was a basic of the game.
      I'm sure a few of the older lads can tell horror stories of getting hit in the face by a wet "casey" or trying to kick the f**king thing when it weighed a ton, and that's before we even get to the pitches, some of which resembled a newly ploughed field.

      All that, and those guys still played at a very high tempo, showing a lot of skill, pace, stamina, and everything else you expect from a top player.

      There's a lot to be said about the progression of sports science, and all it entails, but at the end of the day, as in the above quote from KK, all that matters is "can they play", and f**king hell those lads could play.
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      Reply #77: Nov 12, 2018 06:03:15 pm
      There are lots but it is a toss between King Kenny and the teeth himself Suarez.

      I suppose right now we could with Gerrard in the midfield.
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      Reply #78: Nov 12, 2018 09:03:43 pm
      Xabi Alonso. Absolute gold he was
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      Reply #79: Nov 12, 2018 10:14:14 pm
      Gerrard definitely. Linking with those three up front, would be like two players in that position. He was explosively quick too.
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      Reply #80: Nov 13, 2018 05:27:52 pm
      This is an impossible choice.  :o :o :o
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      Reply #81: Nov 13, 2018 05:39:25 pm
      I’d have a 22 year old Steven Gerard ya very much!

      Suarez st 25 wouldn’t be so bad either.

      I’d also love to see what sort of an impact Beardsley could have in this current side.

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