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      1 former player you'd love now

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      Reply #50: Nov 11, 2018 10:04:17 am
      He wouldn't be close to my top pick but I'd have loved to see Dirk Kuyt play under Klopp. Perfect player for his system.
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      Reply #51: Nov 11, 2018 10:05:52 am
      Coin flip between Alonso or Gerrard from circa 2008.
      Gerrard would certainly bridge that gap we often see between midfield and attack.
      Alonso would give us that vision missing in midfield.
      Two different ways of maybe achieving the same thing.
      Neither of which we see replicated in the current team.

      I think, in time, Fab will give a more than passable (see what I did there ;)) impression of Xabi......
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      Reply #52: Nov 11, 2018 10:06:16 am
      Out of many players that come to mind, I will go for Kenny Dalglish.
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      Reply #53: Nov 11, 2018 10:09:27 am
      Phil Neal as we are supposed to pick only one right. Just check out his record it is just crazy talk about playing through the pain this man felt no pain only glory.
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      Reply #54: Nov 11, 2018 10:10:04 am
      Tommy Smith would put some bight into the present team.Oh and a young Ray Clemence  while we are dreaming.

      Safe to say Senor Ramos wouldn’t have taken the same liberties with our Mo Billy!

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      Reply #55: Nov 11, 2018 10:11:22 am
      I get what you mean, 100%, as I've had the same thoughts myself.
      I'd just make a couple of points though; never underestimate just how fit those lads were. The game was played at a breakneck pace back then as well, but we stood out (and won lots) because not only were we fitter, bigger, stronger, faster than most teams, we also played very fast football.
      My second point is that yes, Souness would have to modify his game, but I'd argue that he did that when he went to Sampdoria, and showed he was capable of playing different styles, like he played with Scotland back when they had some great players.

      I know it's different times, I just think the levels are not as far apart as you think, and that the best players from any era would adapt quickly, especially in their prime.

      It is one of footballs most fascinating questions, but as above, special is special in any era, in my view.

      Good points mate, hard for me to say as unfortunately never got to see them play. I always draw comparisons to track and field or any other sport assessed by time it takes to finish and how things are constantly improving but I take your point about them not being 'unfit' so to speak.
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      Reply #56: Nov 11, 2018 10:12:21 am
      Steven Gerrard= best player of all time.
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      Reply #57: Nov 11, 2018 11:40:20 am
      Peak Suarez. He'd be perfect for this Klopp team. A Gnarly, horrible, clinical and wonderfully talented footballer is what we need now.
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      Reply #58: Nov 11, 2018 11:55:10 am
      Young Gerrard.
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      Reply #59: Nov 11, 2018 11:58:52 am
      Good points mate, hard for me to say as unfortunately never got to see them play. I always draw comparisons to track and field or any other sport assessed by time it takes to finish and how things are constantly improving but I take your point about them not being 'unfit' so to speak.

      My understanding, limited though it is, is that the biggest breakthroughs have been in fitness monitoring and injury prevention, with a better understanding of diet and rest, which allows "elite" players' fitness to be managed much more effectively, which I think is different from actual fitness level differences between different era's.

      Will continue another time as match is about to start.
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      Reply #60: Nov 11, 2018 02:58:43 pm
      The one...the only....Mr.....Ian Callaghan. Gave every once in every game and played a total of 857....eight hundred and fifty seven games...Klopp could've sent Cally out on his own in the second half today..and Fulham would've noticed.
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      Reply #61: Nov 11, 2018 04:00:00 pm
      Steven Gerrard.
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      Reply #62: Nov 11, 2018 06:13:43 pm
      Hard to compare.

      If you look at things in a vacuum then it's obvious todays players are vastly superior in terms of athleticism, there's no arguing that. However to really look at things properly you have to account facilities available, the rules of the time and the players they would be playing with and against and think 'what would x have done in y's time period'. Would Souness in him prime if plucked from the 80s be good in todays game? Not a f**king hope in hell, he'd be left huffing and puffing and without doubt be sent off. However if he was born in 1990 with the same 'natural talent' if you want to call it that, raised through the system with the facilities and played and developed into the game we play today, he'd undoubtedly be top quality (if any of that makes sense :laugh: ) One of footballs most fascinating questions in my eyes.

      I think your over-estimating the difference in fitness between then and now. Today's players do a lot more gym work - working on their upper body strength etc ( but also cos it looks good, the vain cu*ts). But on the aerobic stuff that helps you get about the pitch - yeah they will be a bit fitter, and their diet will be better ( and if you look at the likes of Ronaldo and Bale, I don't know about you, but I think *steroids*), but not as much as all that. Players back then still trained hard ( most of them anyway) on the stamina side of things. I think peak Souness could play DM in our current midfield without a problem.

      To make the point - look at say Alonso. Not exactly a midfield dynamo style player. Was he significantly fitter or more athletic than Souness? I wouldn't say so. But up to a couple of years ago playing ( at the age of about 35) for Bayern Munich. And a Bayern Munich managed by Guardiola, the classic high tempo modern coach. If he could do that, I don't see why peak Souness would struggle.
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      Reply #63: Nov 11, 2018 10:33:45 pm
      Sounness for me, or Dalglish, or better yet, Dalglouness
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      Reply #64: Nov 12, 2018 03:02:37 am
      Imagine having Steven Gerrard at his pomp in this team. Christ.

      Even Xabi.
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      Reply #65: Nov 12, 2018 06:41:54 am
      Tommy Smith would put some bight into the present team.Oh and a young Ray Clemence  while we are dreaming.

      Sorry for changing my mind but in all honesty I would have to have the late great Billy Liddell in any Liverpool team.He gave so much to the Liverpool cause.
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      Reply #66: Nov 12, 2018 07:36:57 am

      Sorry for changing my mind but in all honesty I would have to have the late great Billy Liddell in any Liverpool team.He gave so much to the Liverpool cause.

      Must admit Billy - I was surprised you didn’t go for the great man initially........

      So many to choose from......
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      Reply #67: Nov 12, 2018 07:45:19 am
      Must admit Billy - I was surprised you didn’t go for the great man initially........

      So many to choose from......

      To be honest Al i thought people might get fed up with my going on how great he really was.When we were in the old second division he kept this club alive.Even after all these years I can still picture the great man.
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      Reply #68: Nov 12, 2018 08:44:10 am
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      Reply #69: Nov 12, 2018 10:47:38 am
      Imagine having Steven Gerrard at his pomp in this team. Christ.

      Even Xabi.

      Our midfield from 2007-2009 behind the front three would be terrific.

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      Reply #70: Nov 12, 2018 01:08:05 pm
      I have to agree with the Suarez pick from above. Suarez from the year of our title challenge on this team would literally be unplayable. He'd have 70 goals.
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      Reply #71: Nov 12, 2018 01:25:27 pm
      SOUNESS.

      Only draw back would be that he would play 1 game miss the next 3....
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      Reply #72: Nov 12, 2018 01:41:52 pm
      Two very noticeable camps in this thread;
      The younger fans, premier league era if you like, picking the players they know and saw, and the older lads doing the same with the likes of KK and Souness.

      Of course both views have merit, but it's almost impossible to explain just how good the likes of KK and Souness actually were.
      We didn't have 30 camera's showing a player from every conceivable angle back then, and the youtube clips don't do them justice, along with the likes of McDermott, Kennedy (either one), Rush, Smith, Heighway etc etc
      The list is a long one and we've been lucky to have such fantastic players at our club.

      Going back to fitness, here's a dressing room pic.
      Look at the muscle development which is that of an athlete, from a time when players didn't hit the weights like they do now.


      Sent off after fisticuffs with Bremner (behind)


      You can see they are not as ripped as todays players, but clearly they are fit as fiddles.
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      Reply #73: Nov 12, 2018 03:17:49 pm
      I agree.

      It’s not really about fitness per se in my opinion mate.

      More about knowledge / education. Players today are fitter because we have far greater understanding of sports science / nutrition etc.

      Available today the vast majority of great players would transition no problem.

      End of the day you need to be able to play. As the King himself said - “.....if you cannae play football a bowl of pasta’s no gonnae change that”.......

      Mic drop........
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      Reply #74: Nov 12, 2018 03:24:25 pm
      I have to agree with the Suarez pick from above. Suarez from the year of our title challenge on this team would literally be unplayable. He'd have 70 goals.

      Agree mate.  Suarez is only one player I definitely believe put him in our current team and we almost guarantee winning a lot of trophies, and the 19.  He's absolutely Klopp player (not a bite thing), he's proved he's above everyone in EPL, and he's a team player.

      Of course there are plenty of true legends in the past but I'm not lucky enough to see them play :(

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