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      Pre-Match: Watford V Liverpool (24/11/18 - 15:00)

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      Pre-Match: Watford V Liverpool (24/11/18 - 15:00)
      Nov 20, 2018 12:05:20 pm



      Team selection is hard for this one. You'd assume that back five will start and Milner as part of the three because he has been rested. Will Shaqiri start? I'm not so sure Klopp will break up our front three for him and away at Watford he might prefer a combative midfield like he has all season.

      Watford started the season strongly but have been inconsistent of late and we should have enough for them. 1-2 Reds!!!  :kop5cf8koxp6: :kop5cf8koxp6: :kop5cf8koxp6:
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      Re: Pre-Match: Watford V Liverpool (24/11/18 - 15:00)
      Reply #1: Nov 20, 2018 12:08:56 pm
      Hoping for a 0-4 thrashing - Salah hat trick incoming
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      Re: Pre-Match: Watford V Liverpool (24/11/18 - 15:00)
      Reply #2: Nov 20, 2018 12:17:13 pm
      Gonna be a tough pysical game, reckon lovren will partner vvd at cb for this and psg
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      Re: Pre-Match: Watford V Liverpool (24/11/18 - 15:00)
      Reply #3: Nov 20, 2018 12:58:38 pm
      Would start Hendo if fit with Keita and Milner for this give Gini a breather just played two games and needs to 100% for PSG
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      Re: Pre-Match: Watford V Liverpool (24/11/18 - 15:00)
      Reply #4: Nov 20, 2018 01:11:53 pm
      Should be a good contest. I like the way Watford attack. They will fancy it and won't go in feeling in any way inferior to us. Be an open game, goals, chances, spills and thrills.

      2-3...2-4...
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      Re: Pre-Match: Watford V Liverpool (24/11/18 - 15:00)
      Reply #5: Nov 20, 2018 01:25:28 pm
      Ah start Solanke see what happens
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      Re: Pre-Match: Watford V Liverpool (24/11/18 - 15:00)
      Reply #6: Nov 20, 2018 01:30:13 pm
      Hendo shouldn't be risked. Not that I'm a huge Hendo fan, but we'll need him a lot in the coming months and playing him  against Watford is too big a gamble.
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      Re: Pre-Match: Watford V Liverpool (24/11/18 - 15:00)
      Reply #7: Nov 20, 2018 02:34:01 pm
      Hendo shouldn't be risked. Not that I'm a huge Hendo fan, but we'll need him a lot in the coming months and playing him  against Watford is too big a gamble.

      I'd advocate resting him for the rest of the season, just to be on the safe side ;-)
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      Re: Pre-Match: Watford V Liverpool (24/11/18 - 15:00)
      Reply #8: Nov 20, 2018 02:34:53 pm
      Would start Hendo if fit with Keita and Milner for this give Gini a breather just played two games and needs to 100% for PSG

      I'd play Fabinho, Keita and Shaquiri, no point sitting back against Watford, we might as well take the game to them.
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      Re: Pre-Match: Watford V Liverpool (24/11/18 - 15:00)
      Reply #9: Nov 20, 2018 03:46:25 pm
      I'd advocate resting him for the rest of the season, just to be on the safe side ;-)
      he's not my number one pick either, but looking at how many games we have we're going to need all the players we have. It's a good job we ducked out the league cup early to be honest.
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      Re: Pre-Match: Watford V Liverpool (24/11/18 - 15:00)
      Reply #10: Nov 20, 2018 04:28:17 pm
      he's not my number one pick either, but looking at how many games we have we're going to need all the players we have. It's a good job we ducked out the league cup early to be honest.

      Can't really say any of the midfield squad are a certain pick. I'm having Shaq in but nobody is guaranteed a place so far. Hendo might get the nod as he is the most experienced and Watford aren't going to be shy. My front 6 for this one is:

      Hendo,Keita,Shaqiri,Salah,Firmino,Mane...with Danny on standby.
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      Re: Pre-Match: Watford V Liverpool (24/11/18 - 15:00)
      Reply #11: Nov 20, 2018 07:55:21 pm
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      Re: Pre-Match: Watford V Liverpool (24/11/18 - 15:00)
      Reply #12: Nov 20, 2018 08:04:42 pm
      Alisson

      TAA
      Gomez
      VVD
      Robbo

      Hendo
      Milner
      Keita

      Shaqiri
      Mané

      Salah

      Rest Gini and Bob before PSG.
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      Re: Pre-Match: Watford V Liverpool (24/11/18 - 15:00)
      Reply #13: Nov 20, 2018 08:46:44 pm
      Solanke notching a few for 21s maybe worth a place on bench especially  with Studges predicament
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      Re: Pre-Match: Watford V Liverpool (24/11/18 - 15:00)
      Reply #14: Nov 20, 2018 09:14:59 pm
      I would never ever partner Henderson with Milner in any game.
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      Re: Pre-Match: Watford V Liverpool (24/11/18 - 15:00)
      Reply #15: Nov 20, 2018 09:23:52 pm
      I would never ever partner Henderson with Milner in any game.
      same
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      Re: Pre-Match: Watford V Liverpool (24/11/18 - 15:00)
      Reply #16: Nov 21, 2018 01:46:56 am
      I would never ever partner Henderson with Milner in any game.

      I still think it can work, especially in a midfield 3 with both as the 8's.

      Anyway, Hendo is fit , so will Klopp go for a more industrial or technical? I am leaning more to the former with the tried and tested midfield 3 of, Hendo, Milner and Wijnaldum.

      Although, I would like us to go for the jugular with the more offense minded technical midfield in, Fabinho, Wijnaldum/Keita & Shaqiri.
      « Last Edit: Nov 21, 2018 01:56:27 am by PurpleMonkey »
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      Re: Pre-Match: Watford V Liverpool (24/11/18 - 15:00)
      Reply #17: Nov 21, 2018 10:31:23 am
      Thank Fuuuuuuuk, the pointless, useless, fuuuking internationals are over.

      I go for 1-2 to the redmen. We have to win this at all cost.
      « Last Edit: Nov 21, 2018 12:57:07 pm by RobieSlick »
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      Re: Pre-Match: Watford V Liverpool (24/11/18 - 15:00)
      Reply #18: Nov 21, 2018 12:10:32 pm
      Little be worried about this one. Think we have enough to get the 3 points. Take a 1-0 own goal! They all count
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      Re: Pre-Match: Watford V Liverpool (24/11/18 - 15:00)
      Reply #19: Nov 21, 2018 01:14:14 pm
      Tough game, but us to sneak it at 1-2.

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      Re: Pre-Match: Watford V Liverpool (24/11/18 - 15:00)
      Reply #20: Nov 21, 2018 02:14:10 pm
      4 nil to the redmen - just like every other game.

      *in my head
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      Re: Pre-Match: Watford V Liverpool (24/11/18 - 15:00)
      Reply #21: Nov 21, 2018 02:45:40 pm
      I still think it can work, especially in a midfield 3 with both as the 8's.

      Anyway, Hendo is fit , so will Klopp go for a more industrial or technical? I am leaning more to the former with the tried and tested midfield 3 of, Hendo, Milner and Wijnaldum.

      Although, I would like us to go for the jugular with the more offense minded technical midfield in, Fabinho, Wijnaldum/Keita & Shaqiri.

      I really do wish you'd stop with this nonsense about "technical" vs "industrial".
      It's a load of sh*te, as was the ridiculous assertion that Henderson "lacks composure" or that 2 deep players always means a "double pivot".

      Just another thinly disguised stick to try and beat a player you don't like.
      This bandwagon is getting really f**king tiresome.
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      Re: Pre-Match: Watford V Liverpool (24/11/18 - 15:00)
      Reply #22: Nov 21, 2018 02:51:34 pm
      Thank Fuuuuuuuk, the pointless, useless, fuuuking internationals are over.

      I go for 1-2 to the redmen. We have to win this at all cost.
      to be fair, Liverpool needed the break. Our performances were sub par. If we hit the ground running against Watford the international break would have been a good thing for us.
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      Re: Pre-Match: Watford V Liverpool (24/11/18 - 15:00)
      Reply #23: Nov 21, 2018 04:22:56 pm
      I really do wish you'd stop with this nonsense about "technical" vs "industrial".
      It's a load of sh*te, as was the ridiculous assertion that Henderson "lacks composure" or that 2 deep players always means a "double pivot".

      Just another thinly disguised stick to try and beat a player you don't like.
      This bandwagon is getting really f**king tiresome.

      You really do get triggered over nothing and start something out of nothing. You really need to chill, Swab.

      Why do you think I hate Hendo? Never have I questioned his captaincy, never have I said he was a sh*t player, and never have I said he should be sold. However, what I have said; his industrial work rivals that of Kante and he could have (maybe still) reached Rakitic level, and what I have said many times, he should be first choice #8 (although with how Wijnaldum and Milner are playing, for the first time this season, I am questioning it)... so yeah, I hate Hendo ;)

      Just accept that some players are more technical than others, but that doesn't always necessary mean the technical player is better or better for the team..... just take a look at Aquilani. You should also consider the fact that not all criticism is an attack or a disguise stick to beat on player.

      I get it, you are a Hendo fanboy, just like I am with Fabinho, but unlike you, I accept that both have their strengths and weaknesses. Where Hendo is stronger and more comfortable in a midfield 3 and more industrial than Fabinho, I think Fabinho is stronger in a double pivot and more comfortable playing under pressure whilst reading the game better from deep, and right now, I prefer us to use the double pivot as I feel with the players we have, it gives us a better balance as a team and more in attack.

      Is it really that difficult to accept other people's opinion for you? It really is getting tiresome for me always having to defend my opinion over Hendo when I actually rate him, just not as a 6, sorry.
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      Re: Pre-Match: Watford V Liverpool (24/11/18 - 15:00)
      Reply #24: Nov 21, 2018 04:44:55 pm
      You really do get triggered over nothing and start something out of nothing. You really need to chill, Swab.

      Why do you think I hate Hendo? Never have I questioned his captaincy, never have I said he was a sh*t player, and never have I said he should be sold. However, what I have said; his industrial work rivals that of Kante and he could have (maybe still) reached Rakitic level, and what I have said many times, he should be first choice #8 (although with how Wijnaldum and Milner are playing, for the first time this season, I am questioning it)... so yeah, I hate Hendo ;)

      Just accept that some players are more technical than others, but that doesn't always necessary mean the technical player is better or better for the team..... just take a look at Aquilani. You should also consider the fact that not all criticism is an attack or a disguise stick to beat on player.

      I get it, you are a Hendo fanboy, just like I am with Fabinho, but unlike you, I accept that both have their strengths and weaknesses. Where Hendo is stronger and more comfortable in a midfield 3 and more industrial than Fabinho, I think Fabinho is stronger in a double pivot and more comfortable playing under pressure whilst reading the game better from deep, and right now, I prefer us to use the double pivot as I feel with the players we have, it gives us a better balance as a team and more in attack.

      Is it really that difficult to accept other people's opinion for you? It really is getting tiresome for me always having to defend my opinion over Hendo when I actually rate him, just not as a 6, sorry.

      I am still struggling with this whole 6 and 8 thing, especially as football manager has squad numbers. An example of this was xavi and iniesta who wore 6 and 8 for Barcelona but reversed those numbers for spain
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      Re: Pre-Match: Watford V Liverpool (24/11/18 - 15:00)
      Reply #25: Nov 21, 2018 04:45:44 pm
      You really do get triggered over nothing and start something out of nothing. You really need to chill, Swab.

      Why do you think I hate Hendo? Never have I questioned his captaincy, never have I said he was a sh*t player, and never have I said he should be sold. However, what I have said; his industrial work rivals that of Kante and he could have (maybe still) reached Rakitic level, and what I have said many times, he should be first choice #8 (although with how Wijnaldum and Milner are playing, for the first time this season, I am questioning it)... so yeah, I hate Hendo ;)

      Just accept that some players are more technical than others, but that doesn't always necessary mean the technical player is better or better for the team..... just take a look at Aquilani. You should also consider the fact that not all criticism is an attack or a disguise stick to beat on player.

      I get it, you are a Hendo fanboy, just like I am with Fabinho, but unlike you, I accept that both have their strengths and weaknesses. Where Hendo is stronger and more comfortable in a midfield 3 and more industrial than Fabinho, I think Fabinho is stronger in a double pivot and more comfortable playing under pressure whilst reading the game better from deep, and right now, I prefer us to use the double pivot as I feel with the players we have, it gives us a better balance as a team and more in attack.

      Is it really that difficult to accept other people's opinion for you? It really is getting tiresome for me always having to defend my opinion over Hendo when I actually rate him, just not as a 6, sorry.
      Swab just likes twisting stuff. I saw one member come on here and write "he's sh*te, bin him off" and Swab said nothing but continued to debate people who respectfully don't see him as first xi material but value him as a squad player and went on to make up ridiculous lies saying I said stuff about Milner. He totally lost it yesterday when trying to explain Reina went on the decline.. Even after supplying graphs that show that decline instead of debating it was just the same repeated mindless insults.

      Watford can't be underestimated at 6th in the league and Henderson is coming back from injury, to be fair I wouldn't play him against top 8 sides with what we have available. I'd give Henderson the Everton game at Anfield. That sort of game will suit him better than City etc... Although he played well against PSG last time so I'd consider Hendo if our midfield against Watford sucked, but currently I'm thinking we have better to face better teams.
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      Re: Pre-Match: Watford V Liverpool (24/11/18 - 15:00)
      Reply #26: Nov 21, 2018 04:49:58 pm
      I am still struggling with this whole 6 and 8 thing, especially as football manager has squad numbers. An example of this was xavi and iniesta who wore 6 and 8 for Barcelona but reversed those numbers for spain

      8 is more box-box, 6 is more the deeper midfielder for me, that's how I use the numbers.
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      Reply #27: Nov 21, 2018 04:53:50 pm
      8 is more box-box, 6 is more the deeper midfielder for me, that's how I use the numbers.

      Ah right, so you see hendo more as an 8 than a 6 right ? These days it's the other way around for me although with gini's change of role we are probably overloaded in that position now
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      Reply #28: Nov 21, 2018 05:06:49 pm
      Ah right, so you see hendo more as an 8 than a 6 right ? These days it's the other way around for me although with gini's change of role we are probably overloaded in that position now

      I have always seen (still do) Hendo as an 8, an 8 playing in the 6 role and doing a decent job, but I think we have upgraded in Fabinho, whether he settles down or not is another matter though. And with Hendo in his peak years, I still dream of him moving up to the 8 role as I feel he can offer a hell of a lot more than what he does as the 6. Imagine our counter pressing? Him and Firmino would be sickening.

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      Re: Pre-Match: Watford V Liverpool (24/11/18 - 15:00)
      Reply #29: Nov 21, 2018 05:12:55 pm
      You really do get triggered over nothing and start something out of nothing. You really need to chill, Swab.

      Why do you think I hate Hendo? Never have I questioned his captaincy, never have I said he was a sh*t player, and never have I said he should be sold. However, what I have said; his industrial work rivals that of Kante and he could have (maybe still) reached Rakitic level, and what I have said many times, he should be first choice #8 (although with how Wijnaldum and Milner are playing, for the first time this season, I am questioning it)... so yeah, I hate Hendo ;)

      Just accept that some players are more technical than others, but that doesn't always necessary mean the technical player is better or better for the team..... just take a look at Aquilani. You should also consider the fact that not all criticism is an attack or a disguise stick to beat on player.

      I get it, you are a Hendo fanboy, just like I am with Fabinho, but unlike you, I accept that both have their strengths and weaknesses. Where Hendo is stronger and more comfortable in a midfield 3 and more industrial than Fabinho, I think Fabinho is stronger in a double pivot and more comfortable playing under pressure whilst reading the game better from deep, and right now, I prefer us to use the double pivot as I feel with the players we have, it gives us a better balance as a team and more in attack.

      Is it really that difficult to accept other people's opinion for you? It really is getting tiresome for me always having to defend my opinion over Hendo when I actually rate him, just not as a 6, sorry.

      OK, you also need to stop this silly internet bollocks of "triggered" and saying people need to chill.
      It's a tactic that morons use to try and stifle opposite views, and is not only childish, it's very pretentious, as is throwing out names of players you "think" are "technical".

      Here's the craic, ALL players at this level have a LOT of technical ability, and this bollocks of trying to put some in a category of "technical" and others in a category of "industrial" is absolute horseshit, and is a sly way of trying to demean players.
      It's an old tactic used by arsehole pundits who like to say that English players can't be "technical".
      Well, here's some more news for you; neither Milner nor Henderson would be playing regularly in a Klopp tean if they weren't "technical".

      It also doesn't matter a jot where you rate Henderson; as has been proven time and time again, Klopp rates him in what you keep describing as a "6 in a double pivot", when he's nothing of the sort. It's just something you read somewhere that you think sounds good.

      Klopp has said it a dozen times; it's not about set formations. If a player finds himself in a 6, 8 or 10 roles, then the player assumes the responsibility of that role until such time as we reset.
      I have no idea why you find that so difficult to understand, or why you insist on banging on about players being in rigid positions when they clearly aren't.
      The way Klopp plays is that we use our fullbacks as the outlets and the providers, 2 of the 3 midfielders are there to cover, and the furthest forward to support, so that the 2 wide players can tuck in and we get plenty of bodies in the box, because statistically (and Klopp loves his stats) a team is more likely to score if they have at least 3 but no more than 5 players in and around the box during open play.
      The limit of 5 is set because if you have more, you are more likely to concede from a counter attack.
      What you insist on calling a "10" sits outside or on the edge of the box to defend from the front, keep the ball moving, and shoot if the opportunity arises.
      What you call the "8" is either defending the flank behind the fullback or trying to create an overload on either flank (Milner).

      Essentially, you are banging on about an 80's model of play, with "one sitting, one going", and that is simply not the case.
      Rafa's best team played a true double pivot, with 1 ball winner and 1 deep lying playmaker.
      That is not what we do under Klopp, and as explained before, Henderson plays more of a Volante role than a true 6, because a true 6 is a very rigid position with little or no scope for movement, invention or targeted pressing further up the field.

      Stop reading shitty websites and looking at diagrams, listen to Klopp explain his systems and actually try to understand that all this "double pivot" stuff you keep spouting is pure nonsense in the systems we play.

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