Trending Topics

      Next match: LFC v Man Utd [Premier League] Sun 16th Dec @ 4:00 pm
      Anfield

      Today is the 12th of December and on this date LFC's match record is P19 W7 D6 L6

      Pre-Match: Watford V Liverpool (24/11/18 - 15:00)

      Read 1691 times
      0 Members and 1 Guest are viewing this topic.
      PGlynn91
      • LFC Reds Subscriber
      • *****
      • Started Topic
      • 4,331 posts | 203 
      • To win just once...
      Pre-Match: Watford V Liverpool (24/11/18 - 15:00)
      Nov 20, 2018 12:05:20 pm



      Team selection is hard for this one. You'd assume that back five will start and Milner as part of the three because he has been rested. Will Shaqiri start? I'm not so sure Klopp will break up our front three for him and away at Watford he might prefer a combative midfield like he has all season.

      Watford started the season strongly but have been inconsistent of late and we should have enough for them. 1-2 Reds!!!  :kop5cf8koxp6: :kop5cf8koxp6: :kop5cf8koxp6:
      LondonRed83
      • Forum Legend - Dalglish
      • *****

      • 7,639 posts | 749 
      Re: Pre-Match: Watford V Liverpool (24/11/18 - 15:00)
      Reply #1: Nov 20, 2018 12:08:56 pm
      Hoping for a 0-4 thrashing - Salah hat trick incoming
      FATKOPITE10
      • LFC Reds Subscriber
      • *****
      • 8,858 posts | 1350 
      • Liverpool fc give me tourettes
      Re: Pre-Match: Watford V Liverpool (24/11/18 - 15:00)
      Reply #2: Nov 20, 2018 12:17:13 pm
      Gonna be a tough pysical game, reckon lovren will partner vvd at cb for this and psg
      rossyred
      • Forum Legend - Benitez
      • *****

      • 1,454 posts | 168 
      Re: Pre-Match: Watford V Liverpool (24/11/18 - 15:00)
      Reply #3: Nov 20, 2018 12:58:38 pm
      Would start Hendo if fit with Keita and Milner for this give Gini a breather just played two games and needs to 100% for PSG
      Harrisimo
      • Forum Legend - Benitez
      • *****

      • 1,749 posts | 223 
      Re: Pre-Match: Watford V Liverpool (24/11/18 - 15:00)
      Reply #4: Nov 20, 2018 01:11:53 pm
      Should be a good contest. I like the way Watford attack. They will fancy it and won't go in feeling in any way inferior to us. Be an open game, goals, chances, spills and thrills.

      2-3...2-4...
      Brian78
      • Forum Legend - Paisley
      • *****

      • 14,240 posts | 987 
      • A Liverbird upon my chest
      Re: Pre-Match: Watford V Liverpool (24/11/18 - 15:00)
      Reply #5: Nov 20, 2018 01:25:28 pm
      Ah start Solanke see what happens
      Ribapuru
      • Forum Legend - Dalglish
      • *****

      • 9,728 posts | 1064 
      Re: Pre-Match: Watford V Liverpool (24/11/18 - 15:00)
      Reply #6: Nov 20, 2018 01:30:13 pm
      Hendo shouldn't be risked. Not that I'm a huge Hendo fan, but we'll need him a lot in the coming months and playing him  against Watford is too big a gamble.
      heimdall
      • Forum Legend - Dalglish
      • *****

      • 7,189 posts | 1360 
      Re: Pre-Match: Watford V Liverpool (24/11/18 - 15:00)
      Reply #7: Nov 20, 2018 02:34:01 pm
      Hendo shouldn't be risked. Not that I'm a huge Hendo fan, but we'll need him a lot in the coming months and playing him  against Watford is too big a gamble.

      I'd advocate resting him for the rest of the season, just to be on the safe side ;-)
      heimdall
      • Forum Legend - Dalglish
      • *****

      • 7,189 posts | 1360 
      Re: Pre-Match: Watford V Liverpool (24/11/18 - 15:00)
      Reply #8: Nov 20, 2018 02:34:53 pm
      Would start Hendo if fit with Keita and Milner for this give Gini a breather just played two games and needs to 100% for PSG

      I'd play Fabinho, Keita and Shaquiri, no point sitting back against Watford, we might as well take the game to them.
      Ribapuru
      • Forum Legend - Dalglish
      • *****

      • 9,728 posts | 1064 
      Re: Pre-Match: Watford V Liverpool (24/11/18 - 15:00)
      Reply #9: Nov 20, 2018 03:46:25 pm
      I'd advocate resting him for the rest of the season, just to be on the safe side ;-)
      he's not my number one pick either, but looking at how many games we have we're going to need all the players we have. It's a good job we ducked out the league cup early to be honest.
      Harrisimo
      • Forum Legend - Benitez
      • *****

      • 1,749 posts | 223 
      Re: Pre-Match: Watford V Liverpool (24/11/18 - 15:00)
      Reply #10: Nov 20, 2018 04:28:17 pm
      he's not my number one pick either, but looking at how many games we have we're going to need all the players we have. It's a good job we ducked out the league cup early to be honest.

      Can't really say any of the midfield squad are a certain pick. I'm having Shaq in but nobody is guaranteed a place so far. Hendo might get the nod as he is the most experienced and Watford aren't going to be shy. My front 6 for this one is:

      Hendo,Keita,Shaqiri,Salah,Firmino,Mane...with Danny on standby.
      clint_call01
      • King Live Match Starter
      • LFC Reds Subscriber
      • *****
      • 8,441 posts | 1689 
      • Ynwa... lfc till I die !
      Re: Pre-Match: Watford V Liverpool (24/11/18 - 15:00)
      Reply #11: Nov 20, 2018 07:55:21 pm
      NB: Team no longer available
      crouchinho
      • LFC Reds Subscriber
      • *****
      • 41,966 posts | 2368 
      • TU TA LOUCO? FILHO DA PUTA!
      Re: Pre-Match: Watford V Liverpool (24/11/18 - 15:00)
      Reply #12: Nov 20, 2018 08:04:42 pm
      Alisson

      TAA
      Gomez
      VVD
      Robbo

      Hendo
      Milner
      Keita

      Shaqiri
      Mané

      Salah

      Rest Gini and Bob before PSG.
      rossyred
      • Forum Legend - Benitez
      • *****

      • 1,454 posts | 168 
      Re: Pre-Match: Watford V Liverpool (24/11/18 - 15:00)
      Reply #13: Nov 20, 2018 08:46:44 pm
      Solanke notching a few for 21s maybe worth a place on bench especially  with Studges predicament
      HScRed1
      • LFC Reds Subscriber
      • *****
      • 13,524 posts | 2528 
      Re: Pre-Match: Watford V Liverpool (24/11/18 - 15:00)
      Reply #14: Nov 20, 2018 09:14:59 pm
      I would never ever partner Henderson with Milner in any game.
      Ribapuru
      • Forum Legend - Dalglish
      • *****

      • 9,728 posts | 1064 
      Re: Pre-Match: Watford V Liverpool (24/11/18 - 15:00)
      Reply #15: Nov 20, 2018 09:23:52 pm
      I would never ever partner Henderson with Milner in any game.
      same
      PurpleMonkey
      • Forum Legend - Dalglish
      • *****

      • 8,845 posts | 1367 
      Re: Pre-Match: Watford V Liverpool (24/11/18 - 15:00)
      Reply #16: Nov 21, 2018 01:46:56 am
      I would never ever partner Henderson with Milner in any game.

      I still think it can work, especially in a midfield 3 with both as the 8's.

      Anyway, Hendo is fit , so will Klopp go for a more industrial or technical? I am leaning more to the former with the tried and tested midfield 3 of, Hendo, Milner and Wijnaldum.

      Although, I would like us to go for the jugular with the more offense minded technical midfield in, Fabinho, Wijnaldum/Keita & Shaqiri.
      « Last Edit: Nov 21, 2018 01:56:27 am by PurpleMonkey »
      RobieSlick
      • Forum Legend - Fagan
      • *****

      • 2,646 posts | 236 
      Re: Pre-Match: Watford V Liverpool (24/11/18 - 15:00)
      Reply #17: Nov 21, 2018 10:31:23 am
      Thank Fuuuuuuuk, the pointless, useless, fuuuking internationals are over.

      I go for 1-2 to the redmen. We have to win this at all cost.
      « Last Edit: Nov 21, 2018 12:57:07 pm by RobieSlick »
      Derek1892
      • Forum Erik Meijer
      • *

      • 28 posts |
      Re: Pre-Match: Watford V Liverpool (24/11/18 - 15:00)
      Reply #18: Nov 21, 2018 12:10:32 pm
      Little be worried about this one. Think we have enough to get the 3 points. Take a 1-0 own goal! They all count
      Mickred
      • Forum John Toshack
      • ***

      • 272 posts | 35 
      Re: Pre-Match: Watford V Liverpool (24/11/18 - 15:00)
      Reply #19: Nov 21, 2018 01:14:14 pm
      Tough game, but us to sneak it at 1-2.

      YNWA
      Scotia
      • LFC Reds Subscriber
      • *****
      • 7,324 posts | 1750 
      Re: Pre-Match: Watford V Liverpool (24/11/18 - 15:00)
      Reply #20: Nov 21, 2018 02:14:10 pm
      4 nil to the redmen - just like every other game.

      *in my head
      Swab
      • Forum Legend - Paisley
      • *****

      • 10,288 posts | 1738 
      Re: Pre-Match: Watford V Liverpool (24/11/18 - 15:00)
      Reply #21: Nov 21, 2018 02:45:40 pm
      I still think it can work, especially in a midfield 3 with both as the 8's.

      Anyway, Hendo is fit , so will Klopp go for a more industrial or technical? I am leaning more to the former with the tried and tested midfield 3 of, Hendo, Milner and Wijnaldum.

      Although, I would like us to go for the jugular with the more offense minded technical midfield in, Fabinho, Wijnaldum/Keita & Shaqiri.

      I really do wish you'd stop with this nonsense about "technical" vs "industrial".
      It's a load of sh*te, as was the ridiculous assertion that Henderson "lacks composure" or that 2 deep players always means a "double pivot".

      Just another thinly disguised stick to try and beat a player you don't like.
      This bandwagon is getting really f**king tiresome.
      Ribapuru
      • Forum Legend - Dalglish
      • *****

      • 9,728 posts | 1064 
      Re: Pre-Match: Watford V Liverpool (24/11/18 - 15:00)
      Reply #22: Nov 21, 2018 02:51:34 pm
      Thank Fuuuuuuuk, the pointless, useless, fuuuking internationals are over.

      I go for 1-2 to the redmen. We have to win this at all cost.
      to be fair, Liverpool needed the break. Our performances were sub par. If we hit the ground running against Watford the international break would have been a good thing for us.
      PurpleMonkey
      • Forum Legend - Dalglish
      • *****

      • 8,845 posts | 1367 
      Re: Pre-Match: Watford V Liverpool (24/11/18 - 15:00)
      Reply #23: Nov 21, 2018 04:22:56 pm
      I really do wish you'd stop with this nonsense about "technical" vs "industrial".
      It's a load of sh*te, as was the ridiculous assertion that Henderson "lacks composure" or that 2 deep players always means a "double pivot".

      Just another thinly disguised stick to try and beat a player you don't like.
      This bandwagon is getting really f**king tiresome.

      You really do get triggered over nothing and start something out of nothing. You really need to chill, Swab.

      Why do you think I hate Hendo? Never have I questioned his captaincy, never have I said he was a sh*t player, and never have I said he should be sold. However, what I have said; his industrial work rivals that of Kante and he could have (maybe still) reached Rakitic level, and what I have said many times, he should be first choice #8 (although with how Wijnaldum and Milner are playing, for the first time this season, I am questioning it)... so yeah, I hate Hendo ;)

      Just accept that some players are more technical than others, but that doesn't always necessary mean the technical player is better or better for the team..... just take a look at Aquilani. You should also consider the fact that not all criticism is an attack or a disguise stick to beat on player.

      I get it, you are a Hendo fanboy, just like I am with Fabinho, but unlike you, I accept that both have their strengths and weaknesses. Where Hendo is stronger and more comfortable in a midfield 3 and more industrial than Fabinho, I think Fabinho is stronger in a double pivot and more comfortable playing under pressure whilst reading the game better from deep, and right now, I prefer us to use the double pivot as I feel with the players we have, it gives us a better balance as a team and more in attack.

      Is it really that difficult to accept other people's opinion for you? It really is getting tiresome for me always having to defend my opinion over Hendo when I actually rate him, just not as a 6, sorry.
      FATKOPITE10
      • LFC Reds Subscriber
      • *****
      • 8,858 posts | 1350 
      • Liverpool fc give me tourettes
      Re: Pre-Match: Watford V Liverpool (24/11/18 - 15:00)
      Reply #24: Nov 21, 2018 04:44:55 pm
      You really do get triggered over nothing and start something out of nothing. You really need to chill, Swab.

      Why do you think I hate Hendo? Never have I questioned his captaincy, never have I said he was a sh*t player, and never have I said he should be sold. However, what I have said; his industrial work rivals that of Kante and he could have (maybe still) reached Rakitic level, and what I have said many times, he should be first choice #8 (although with how Wijnaldum and Milner are playing, for the first time this season, I am questioning it)... so yeah, I hate Hendo ;)

      Just accept that some players are more technical than others, but that doesn't always necessary mean the technical player is better or better for the team..... just take a look at Aquilani. You should also consider the fact that not all criticism is an attack or a disguise stick to beat on player.

      I get it, you are a Hendo fanboy, just like I am with Fabinho, but unlike you, I accept that both have their strengths and weaknesses. Where Hendo is stronger and more comfortable in a midfield 3 and more industrial than Fabinho, I think Fabinho is stronger in a double pivot and more comfortable playing under pressure whilst reading the game better from deep, and right now, I prefer us to use the double pivot as I feel with the players we have, it gives us a better balance as a team and more in attack.

      Is it really that difficult to accept other people's opinion for you? It really is getting tiresome for me always having to defend my opinion over Hendo when I actually rate him, just not as a 6, sorry.

      I am still struggling with this whole 6 and 8 thing, especially as football manager has squad numbers. An example of this was xavi and iniesta who wore 6 and 8 for Barcelona but reversed those numbers for spain
      Ribapuru
      • Forum Legend - Dalglish
      • *****

      • 9,728 posts | 1064 
      Re: Pre-Match: Watford V Liverpool (24/11/18 - 15:00)
      Reply #25: Nov 21, 2018 04:45:44 pm
      You really do get triggered over nothing and start something out of nothing. You really need to chill, Swab.

      Why do you think I hate Hendo? Never have I questioned his captaincy, never have I said he was a sh*t player, and never have I said he should be sold. However, what I have said; his industrial work rivals that of Kante and he could have (maybe still) reached Rakitic level, and what I have said many times, he should be first choice #8 (although with how Wijnaldum and Milner are playing, for the first time this season, I am questioning it)... so yeah, I hate Hendo ;)

      Just accept that some players are more technical than others, but that doesn't always necessary mean the technical player is better or better for the team..... just take a look at Aquilani. You should also consider the fact that not all criticism is an attack or a disguise stick to beat on player.

      I get it, you are a Hendo fanboy, just like I am with Fabinho, but unlike you, I accept that both have their strengths and weaknesses. Where Hendo is stronger and more comfortable in a midfield 3 and more industrial than Fabinho, I think Fabinho is stronger in a double pivot and more comfortable playing under pressure whilst reading the game better from deep, and right now, I prefer us to use the double pivot as I feel with the players we have, it gives us a better balance as a team and more in attack.

      Is it really that difficult to accept other people's opinion for you? It really is getting tiresome for me always having to defend my opinion over Hendo when I actually rate him, just not as a 6, sorry.
      Swab just likes twisting stuff. I saw one member come on here and write "he's sh*te, bin him off" and Swab said nothing but continued to debate people who respectfully don't see him as first xi material but value him as a squad player and went on to make up ridiculous lies saying I said stuff about Milner. He totally lost it yesterday when trying to explain Reina went on the decline.. Even after supplying graphs that show that decline instead of debating it was just the same repeated mindless insults.

      Watford can't be underestimated at 6th in the league and Henderson is coming back from injury, to be fair I wouldn't play him against top 8 sides with what we have available. I'd give Henderson the Everton game at Anfield. That sort of game will suit him better than City etc... Although he played well against PSG last time so I'd consider Hendo if our midfield against Watford sucked, but currently I'm thinking we have better to face better teams.
      PurpleMonkey
      • Forum Legend - Dalglish
      • *****

      • 8,845 posts | 1367 
      Re: Pre-Match: Watford V Liverpool (24/11/18 - 15:00)
      Reply #26: Nov 21, 2018 04:49:58 pm
      I am still struggling with this whole 6 and 8 thing, especially as football manager has squad numbers. An example of this was xavi and iniesta who wore 6 and 8 for Barcelona but reversed those numbers for spain

      8 is more box-box, 6 is more the deeper midfielder for me, that's how I use the numbers.
      FATKOPITE10
      • LFC Reds Subscriber
      • *****
      • 8,858 posts | 1350 
      • Liverpool fc give me tourettes
      Re: Pre-Match: Watford V Liverpool (24/11/18 - 15:00)
      Reply #27: Nov 21, 2018 04:53:50 pm
      8 is more box-box, 6 is more the deeper midfielder for me, that's how I use the numbers.

      Ah right, so you see hendo more as an 8 than a 6 right ? These days it's the other way around for me although with gini's change of role we are probably overloaded in that position now
      PurpleMonkey
      • Forum Legend - Dalglish
      • *****

      • 8,845 posts | 1367 
      Re: Pre-Match: Watford V Liverpool (24/11/18 - 15:00)
      Reply #28: Nov 21, 2018 05:06:49 pm
      Ah right, so you see hendo more as an 8 than a 6 right ? These days it's the other way around for me although with gini's change of role we are probably overloaded in that position now

      I have always seen (still do) Hendo as an 8, an 8 playing in the 6 role and doing a decent job, but I think we have upgraded in Fabinho, whether he settles down or not is another matter though. And with Hendo in his peak years, I still dream of him moving up to the 8 role as I feel he can offer a hell of a lot more than what he does as the 6. Imagine our counter pressing? Him and Firmino would be sickening.

      Swab
      • Forum Legend - Paisley
      • *****

      • 10,288 posts | 1738 
      Re: Pre-Match: Watford V Liverpool (24/11/18 - 15:00)
      Reply #29: Nov 21, 2018 05:12:55 pm
      You really do get triggered over nothing and start something out of nothing. You really need to chill, Swab.

      Why do you think I hate Hendo? Never have I questioned his captaincy, never have I said he was a sh*t player, and never have I said he should be sold. However, what I have said; his industrial work rivals that of Kante and he could have (maybe still) reached Rakitic level, and what I have said many times, he should be first choice #8 (although with how Wijnaldum and Milner are playing, for the first time this season, I am questioning it)... so yeah, I hate Hendo ;)

      Just accept that some players are more technical than others, but that doesn't always necessary mean the technical player is better or better for the team..... just take a look at Aquilani. You should also consider the fact that not all criticism is an attack or a disguise stick to beat on player.

      I get it, you are a Hendo fanboy, just like I am with Fabinho, but unlike you, I accept that both have their strengths and weaknesses. Where Hendo is stronger and more comfortable in a midfield 3 and more industrial than Fabinho, I think Fabinho is stronger in a double pivot and more comfortable playing under pressure whilst reading the game better from deep, and right now, I prefer us to use the double pivot as I feel with the players we have, it gives us a better balance as a team and more in attack.

      Is it really that difficult to accept other people's opinion for you? It really is getting tiresome for me always having to defend my opinion over Hendo when I actually rate him, just not as a 6, sorry.

      OK, you also need to stop this silly internet bollocks of "triggered" and saying people need to chill.
      It's a tactic that morons use to try and stifle opposite views, and is not only childish, it's very pretentious, as is throwing out names of players you "think" are "technical".

      Here's the craic, ALL players at this level have a LOT of technical ability, and this bollocks of trying to put some in a category of "technical" and others in a category of "industrial" is absolute horseshit, and is a sly way of trying to demean players.
      It's an old tactic used by arsehole pundits who like to say that English players can't be "technical".
      Well, here's some more news for you; neither Milner nor Henderson would be playing regularly in a Klopp tean if they weren't "technical".

      It also doesn't matter a jot where you rate Henderson; as has been proven time and time again, Klopp rates him in what you keep describing as a "6 in a double pivot", when he's nothing of the sort. It's just something you read somewhere that you think sounds good.

      Klopp has said it a dozen times; it's not about set formations. If a player finds himself in a 6, 8 or 10 roles, then the player assumes the responsibility of that role until such time as we reset.
      I have no idea why you find that so difficult to understand, or why you insist on banging on about players being in rigid positions when they clearly aren't.
      The way Klopp plays is that we use our fullbacks as the outlets and the providers, 2 of the 3 midfielders are there to cover, and the furthest forward to support, so that the 2 wide players can tuck in and we get plenty of bodies in the box, because statistically (and Klopp loves his stats) a team is more likely to score if they have at least 3 but no more than 5 players in and around the box during open play.
      The limit of 5 is set because if you have more, you are more likely to concede from a counter attack.
      What you insist on calling a "10" sits outside or on the edge of the box to defend from the front, keep the ball moving, and shoot if the opportunity arises.
      What you call the "8" is either defending the flank behind the fullback or trying to create an overload on either flank (Milner).

      Essentially, you are banging on about an 80's model of play, with "one sitting, one going", and that is simply not the case.
      Rafa's best team played a true double pivot, with 1 ball winner and 1 deep lying playmaker.
      That is not what we do under Klopp, and as explained before, Henderson plays more of a Volante role than a true 6, because a true 6 is a very rigid position with little or no scope for movement, invention or targeted pressing further up the field.

      Stop reading shitty websites and looking at diagrams, listen to Klopp explain his systems and actually try to understand that all this "double pivot" stuff you keep spouting is pure nonsense in the systems we play.
      PurpleMonkey
      • Forum Legend - Dalglish
      • *****

      • 8,845 posts | 1367 
      Re: Pre-Match: Watford V Liverpool (24/11/18 - 15:00)
      Reply #30: Nov 21, 2018 06:21:22 pm
      Here's the craic, ALL players at this level have a LOT of technical ability, and this bollocks of trying to put some in a category of "technical" and others in a category of "industrial" is absolute horseshit, and is a sly way of trying to demean players.
      It's an old tactic used by arsehole pundits who like to say that English players can't be "technical".
      Well, here's some more news for you; neither Milner nor Henderson would be playing regularly in a Klopp tean if they weren't "technical".

      F***ing Swab... ;D

      Of course every player has a different level of technical ability, some better than others. Of course it's logical to categorize them. Would you not put Kante, Drinkwater, Allan etc in the more industrial over the technical category? How about the likes of, Kroos, Pjanic, Jorginho etc in the more technical over industrial category? It makes sense... right?

      As for the English, you don't need to be a genius to know the English league is more suited for the less technical than any other top leagues, hence the reason why the English has always produced better industrial players than other foreign leagues, such as the Spanish, French and Italian leagues.

      It also doesn't matter a jot where you rate Henderson; as has been proven time and time again, Klopp rates him in what you keep describing as a "6 in a double pivot", when he's nothing of the sort. It's just something you read somewhere that you think sounds good.

      Yes, you have said many times that people who disagree doesn't matter because Klopp knows more etc. We get it, he knows more, but that doesn't mean he is 100% right, right? It is his opinion, just like it is ours.

      Klopp has said it a dozen times; it's not about set formations. If a player finds himself in a 6, 8 or 10 roles, then the player assumes the responsibility of that role until such time as we reset.
      I have no idea why you find that so difficult to understand, or why you insist on banging on about players being in rigid positions when they clearly aren't.
      The way Klopp plays is that we use our fullbacks as the outlets and the providers, 2 of the 3 midfielders are there to cover, and the furthest forward to support, so that the 2 wide players can tuck in and we get plenty of bodies in the box, because statistically (and Klopp loves his stats) a team is more likely to score if they have at least 3 but no more than 5 players in and around the box during open play.
      The limit of 5 is set because if you have more, you are more likely to concede from a counter attack.
      What you insist on calling a "10" sits outside or on the edge of the box to defend from the front, keep the ball moving, and shoot if the opportunity arises.
      What you call the "8" is either defending the flank behind the fullback or trying to create an overload on either flank (Milner).

      Essentially, you are banging on about an 80's model of play, with "one sitting, one going", and that is simply not the case.
      Rafa's best team played a true double pivot, with 1 ball winner and 1 deep lying playmaker.
      That is not what we do under Klopp, and as explained before, Henderson plays more of a Volante role than a true 6, because a true 6 is a very rigid position with little or no scope for movement, invention or targeted pressing further up the field.

      Stop reading shitty websites and looking at diagrams, listen to Klopp explain his systems and actually try to understand that all this "double pivot" stuff you keep spouting is pure nonsense in the systems we play.

      Here is yet another example for you, a fully qualified coach/manager (that knows more than us ;) ) giving his opinion on how 4231 differs over 433.

      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eHw_PmmdbmA

      Also, you shouldn't take everything literal. Double pivot doesn't necessary mean 2 CM's in static defensive positions for me, more so 2 hub players, 2 central midfielders, 2x 6's, 2x 8's. Do you think Klopp was being literal when he said Fab and Wijnaldum played as a double 6? For sure, we will mainly see one go and one stay, whether that's Wijnaldum or Fabinho, it doesn't matter as seen when we actually play 4231.

      Same goes with a 433, we will see Hendo in the 8 role and one of the 8's covering the 6 and assuming the role (just as any other team), but generally, you will see the players playing more to the assigned role and position, but that doesn't mean it is rigid and they have no scope for movement, invention or targeted pressing further up the field.

      And of course, it is nothing new seeing players assuming a role and taking responsibility If the player finds himself in a 6, 8 or 10 roles, I see it in every game, some teams more so than others, nothing revolutionary for me.
      « Last Edit: Nov 21, 2018 06:25:30 pm by PurpleMonkey »
      Swab
      • Forum Legend - Paisley
      • *****

      • 10,288 posts | 1738 
      Re: Pre-Match: Watford V Liverpool (24/11/18 - 15:00)
      Reply #31: Nov 21, 2018 06:34:39 pm
      F***ing Swab... ;D

      Of course every player has a different level of technical ability, some better than others. Of course it's logical to categorize them. Would you not put Kante, Drinkwater, Allan etc in the more industrial over the technical category? How about the likes of, Kroos, Pjanic, Jorginho etc in the more technical over industrial category? It makes sense... right?

      As for the English, you don't need to be a genius to know the English league is more suited for the less technical than any other top leagues, hence the reason why the English has always produced better industrial players than other foreign leagues, such as the Spanish, French and Italian leagues.

      Yes, you have said many times that people who disagree doesn't matter because Klopp knows more etc. We get it, he knows more, but that doesn't mean he is 100% right, right? It is his opinion, just like it is ours.

      Here is yet another example for you, a fully qualified coach/manager (that knows more than us ;) ) giving his opinion on how 4231 differs over 433.

      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eHw_PmmdbmA

      Also, you shouldn't take everything literal. Double pivot doesn't necessary mean 2 CM's in static defensive positions for me, more so 2 hub players, 2 central midfielders, 2x 6's, 2x 8's. For sure, we will mainly see one go and one stay, whether that's Wijnaldum or Fabinho, it doesn't matter as seen when we actually play 4231.

      Same goes with a 433, we will see Hendo in the 8 role and one of the 8's covering the 6 and assuming the role (just as any other team), but generally, you will see the players playing more to the assigned role and position, but that doesn't mean it is rigid and they have no scope for movement, invention or targeted pressing further up the field.

      And of course, it is nothing new seeing players assuming a role and taking responsibility If the player finds himself in a 6, 8 or 10 roles, I see it in every game, some teams more so than others, nothing revolutionary for me.

      Using Phil Neville to try and illustrate ANY kind of point automatically means you have zero understanding or credibility, especially as we don't play 4231, an utterly rigid system (but also one where the 2 fullbacks provide width, an outlet and the main attacking fulcrum), that you try to shoehorn in so you can bang on about "double pivots".
      We do not play any kind of double pivot under Klopp.
      Now you try to move the goalposts and re-define "double pivot" to mean any 2 midfielders, when the other week you were saying it was 2 6's.
      Unbelievable.
      We play variations of 433, and that's the simple fact, as Klopp has said many times, but for some reason, you seem to think that your opinion carries more weight than actual facts, but your opinion doesn't carry any sort of weight, and certainly not the kind of weight Klopps carries, but for some strange reason you think it does.

      Here's where your nonsense comes unstuck; Klopp isn't just putting forth an opinion, he's speaking factually, from watching players in training, analysing a ton of information about fitness levels, performance, niggles, etc etc
      He knows to a very fine margin who is suited for what game based on tons of information that you don't have, and yet you think your opinion is equal.
      That really does deserve a big internet LOL


      « Last Edit: Nov 21, 2018 06:38:48 pm by Swab »
      Ribapuru
      • Forum Legend - Dalglish
      • *****

      • 9,728 posts | 1064 
      Re: Pre-Match: Watford V Liverpool (24/11/18 - 15:00)
      Reply #32: Nov 21, 2018 06:38:47 pm
      OK, you also need to stop this silly internet bollocks of "triggered" and saying people need to chill.
      It's a tactic that morons use to try and stifle opposite views, and is not only childish, it's very pretentious, as is throwing out names of players you "think" are "technical".

      Here's the craic, ALL players at this level have a LOT of technical ability, and this bollocks of trying to put some in a category of "technical" and others in a category of "industrial" is absolute horseshit, and is a sly way of trying to demean players.
      It's an old tactic used by arsehole pundits who like to say that English players can't be "technical".
      Well, here's some more news for you; neither Milner nor Henderson would be playing regularly in a Klopp tean if they weren't "technical".

      It also doesn't matter a jot where you rate Henderson; as has been proven time and time again, Klopp rates him in what you keep describing as a "6 in a double pivot", when he's nothing of the sort. It's just something you read somewhere that you think sounds good.

      Klopp has said it a dozen times; it's not about set formations. If a player finds himself in a 6, 8 or 10 roles, then the player assumes the responsibility of that role until such time as we reset.
      I have no idea why you find that so difficult to understand, or why you insist on banging on about players being in rigid positions when they clearly aren't.
      The way Klopp plays is that we use our fullbacks as the outlets and the providers, 2 of the 3 midfielders are there to cover, and the furthest forward to support, so that the 2 wide players can tuck in and we get plenty of bodies in the box, because statistically (and Klopp loves his stats) a team is more likely to score if they have at least 3 but no more than 5 players in and around the box during open play.
      The limit of 5 is set because if you have more, you are more likely to concede from a counter attack.
      What you insist on calling a "10" sits outside or on the edge of the box to defend from the front, keep the ball moving, and shoot if the opportunity arises.
      What you call the "8" is either defending the flank behind the fullback or trying to create an overload on either flank (Milner).

      Essentially, you are banging on about an 80's model of play, with "one sitting, one going", and that is simply not the case.
      Rafa's best team played a true double pivot, with 1 ball winner and 1 deep lying playmaker.
      That is not what we do under Klopp, and as explained before, Henderson plays more of a Volante role than a true 6, because a true 6 is a very rigid position with little or no scope for movement, invention or targeted pressing further up the field.

      Stop reading shitty websites and looking at diagrams, listen to Klopp explain his systems and actually try to understand that all this "double pivot" stuff you keep spouting is pure nonsense in the systems we play.
      same old recycled crap but just too wordy. Klopp thinks, Klopp said, Klopp rates.. bla bla bla! 3 short points will dispel this.

      1) Klopp won't speak ill of any of his players, but he  regularly talks Henderson up to negate the amount of criticism he gets.

      2) Klopp has pulled Henderson off early on multiple occasions and also benched him on multiple occasions.

      3) What Klopp thinks and what he says aren't exactly always the same.

      I've seen Mourinho slag his own players off before, but it's not Klopps style. If anyone were to score 2 own goals in one game Klopp would say he's been unfortunate rather than say he underperformed, it's his style. The fact is there is Hendo, Fab, Gini, Milner all trying to get starting spots. At the moment Gini is slightly above the rest in my opinion. I couldn't care less if Klopp thinks differently, but if you look at minutes played as an indication who Klopp rates the most then Gini more because he's played over double the minutes Henderson has this season. If people spoke badly about Gini then I'm sure Klopp would sing his praises like he has Henderson. The manager will always speak different to the fans so it's ridiculous to try to back points up with manager quotes.
      Ribapuru
      • Forum Legend - Dalglish
      • *****

      • 9,728 posts | 1064 
      Re: Pre-Match: Watford V Liverpool (24/11/18 - 15:00)
      Reply #33: Nov 21, 2018 06:43:54 pm
      Using Phil Neville to try and illustrate ANY kind of point automatically means you have zero understanding or credibility, especially as we don't play 4231, an utterly rigid system (but also one where the 2 fullbacks provide width, an outlet and the main attacking fulcrum), that you try to shoehorn in so you can bang on about "double pivots".
      We do not play any kind of double pivot under Klopp.
      Now you try to move the goalposts and re-define "double pivot" to mean any 2 midfielders, when the other week you were saying it was 2 6's.
      Unbelievable.
      We play variations of 433, and that's the simple fact, as Klopp has said many times, but for some reason, you seem to think that your opinion carries more weight than actual facts, but your opinion doesn't carry any sort of weight, and certainly not the kind of weight Klopps carries, but for some strange reason you think it does.

      Here's where your nonsense comes unstuck; Klopp isn't just putting forth an opinion, he's speaking factually, from watching players in training, analysing a ton of information about fitness levels, performance, niggles, etc etc
      He knows to a very fine margin who is suited for what game based on tons of information that you don't have, and yet you think your opinion is equal.
      That really does deserve a big internet LOL
      So far this season;

      Henderson 479 PL + 161 CL minutes
      Gini 994 PL + 360 CL minutes.

      Explain how that happens if the manager really rates Henderson as the highest.
      Personally I think Klopps got the line ups right most of the time with Gini. What he says and does are always so different.
      FATKOPITE10
      • LFC Reds Subscriber
      • *****
      • 8,858 posts | 1350 
      • Liverpool fc give me tourettes
      Re: Pre-Match: Watford V Liverpool (24/11/18 - 15:00)
      Reply #34: Nov 21, 2018 06:45:20 pm
      So far this season;

      Henderson 479 PL + 161 CL minutes
      Gini 994 PL + 360 CL minutes.

      Explain how that happens if the manager really rates Henderson as the highest.

      He's been injured
       :couch:
      Swab
      • Forum Legend - Paisley
      • *****

      • 10,288 posts | 1738 
      Re: Pre-Match: Watford V Liverpool (24/11/18 - 15:00)
      Reply #35: Nov 21, 2018 06:45:39 pm
      I couldn't care less if Klopp thinks differently

      And there we have it.

      The millennial guide to football, sponsored by Sky Sports, and brought to you by internet "experts".

      Martin Tylers monkey is alive and well.
      Swab
      • Forum Legend - Paisley
      • *****

      • 10,288 posts | 1738 
      Re: Pre-Match: Watford V Liverpool (24/11/18 - 15:00)
      Reply #36: Nov 21, 2018 06:46:50 pm

      And missed pre-season.

      Again, Klopp has explained this several times, but some of the posters here take no notice because it doesn't fit their agenda.
      FATKOPITE10
      • LFC Reds Subscriber
      • *****
      • 8,858 posts | 1350 
      • Liverpool fc give me tourettes
      Re: Pre-Match: Watford V Liverpool (24/11/18 - 15:00)
      Reply #37: Nov 21, 2018 06:47:18 pm
      same old recycled crap but just too wordy. Klopp thinks, Klopp said, Klopp rates.. bla bla bla! 3 short points will dispel this.

      1) Klopp won't speak ill of any of his players, but he  regularly talks Henderson up to negate the amount of criticism he gets.

      2) Klopp has pulled Henderson off early on multiple occasions and also benched him on multiple occasions.

      3) What Klopp thinks and what he says aren't exactly always the same.

      I've seen Mourinho slag his own players off before, but it's not Klopps style. If anyone were to score 2 own goals in one game Klopp would say he's been unfortunate rather than say he underperformed, it's his style. The fact is there is Hendo, Fab, Gini, Milner all trying to get starting spots. At the moment Gini is slightly above the rest in my opinion. I couldn't care less if Klopp thinks differently, but if you look at minutes played as an indication who Klopp rates the most then Gini more because he's played over double the minutes Henderson has this season. If people spoke badly about Gini then I'm sure Klopp would sing his praises like he has Henderson. The manager will always speak different to the fans so it's ridiculous to try to back points up with manager quotes.

      Klopp has pulled henderson off on multiple occasions?  Really ?
      Ribapuru
      • Forum Legend - Dalglish
      • *****

      • 9,728 posts | 1064 
      Re: Pre-Match: Watford V Liverpool (24/11/18 - 15:00)
      Reply #38: Nov 21, 2018 06:47:43 pm
      he's had injuries but he's spent a long time on the bench. I remember months after the world cup people were making excuses saying he was resting from the world cup, whilst sitting on the bench and his England teammates playing already.
      German_Panzer
      • Forum David Johnson
      • **

      • 226 posts | 30 
      Re: Pre-Match: Watford V Liverpool (24/11/18 - 15:00)
      Reply #39: Nov 21, 2018 06:51:07 pm
      With our latest form I don't see us winning. Gini-Milner-Henderson/Fabinho are not good enough in these tougher road games. We need Shaq or Keita. But Keita was injured and is not ready and Jürgen doesn't trust Shaq to get more responsibility. Vicious circle. My prediction is 1-1, of course hoping for some breakout 0-7.
      Scotia
      • LFC Reds Subscriber
      • *****
      • 7,324 posts | 1750 
      Re: Pre-Match: Watford V Liverpool (24/11/18 - 15:00)
      Reply #40: Nov 21, 2018 06:52:15 pm
      Klopp has pulled henderson off on multiple occasions?  Really ?

      Talk about preferential treatment..........? 🤔
      Ribapuru
      • Forum Legend - Dalglish
      • *****

      • 9,728 posts | 1064 
      Re: Pre-Match: Watford V Liverpool (24/11/18 - 15:00)
      Reply #41: Nov 21, 2018 06:56:08 pm
      Klopp has pulled henderson off on multiple occasions?  Really ?
      He got pulled off against Leicester of you remember, Klopp rarely makes subs before 75 but he had to make a change because we were allover the v place. Against Napoli he was going to start with Keita but he got injured in the first 20 minutes then Henderson came on. Klopp has demonstrated he's not always the first on the teamsheet, he's lost a few hundred minutes from injuries but even without injuries I think Gini would have more minutes.
      Ribapuru
      • Forum Legend - Dalglish
      • *****

      • 9,728 posts | 1064 
      Re: Pre-Match: Watford V Liverpool (24/11/18 - 15:00)
      Reply #42: Nov 21, 2018 06:59:20 pm
      With our latest form I don't see us winning. Gini-Milner-Henderson/Fabinho are not good enough in these tougher road games. We need Shaq or Keita. But Keita was injured and is not ready and Jürgen doesn't trust Shaq to get more responsibility. Vicious circle. My prediction is 1-1, of course hoping for some breakout 0-7.
      Nah, we can beat anybody on the right day. Henderson is a good player to have. In December I'd use him against Everton, Burnley, Bournemouth, Wolves and Newcastle. Rest him against Napoli, United and Arsenal. No team in PL will have 25 world class players. We need to up the quality everytime we have a tougher task to manage rotation.
      PurpleMonkey
      • Forum Legend - Dalglish
      • *****

      • 8,845 posts | 1367 
      Re: Pre-Match: Watford V Liverpool (24/11/18 - 15:00)
      Reply #43: Nov 21, 2018 07:25:28 pm
      Using Phil Neville to try and illustrate ANY kind of point automatically means you have zero understanding or credibility, especially as we don't play 4231, an utterly rigid system (but also one where the 2 fullbacks provide width, an outlet and the main attacking fulcrum), that you try to shoehorn in so you can bang on about "double pivots".
      We do not play any kind of double pivot under Klopp.

      I don't usually agree with P.Neville, but from time to time, these "idiot" pundits do make sense and give good examples, but my point was more pandering to your mindset about managers and coaches knowing more and are always right ;)

      We play variations of 433, and that's the simple fact, as Klopp has said many times, but for some reason, you seem to think that your opinion carries more weight than actual facts, but your opinion doesn't carry any sort of weight, and certainly not the kind of weight Klopps carries, but for some strange reason you think it does.

      Just like you are willing to ignore what Klopp said when he said we played a different system and a double 6 and your opinion carries more weight than actual facts.

      Watch games again, look at the heat maps, watch interviews this season and you will see Klopp talking about different system and a double 6. One could say you think your opinion carries more weight than actual facts.

      I have shown you many examples which you choose to ignore, so show me your examples, please.

      Now you try to move the goalposts and re-define "double pivot" to mean any 2 midfielders, when the other week you were saying it was 2 6's.
      Unbelievable.

      No I didn't (not that I remember), go back and check my posts, I am sure I didn't. I highlighted that Klopp said it, something you can't seem to accept. But even if I did say they were 2x 6's , they are still 2 x CM's playing in the CM areas predominantly.

      Here's where your nonsense comes unstuck; Klopp isn't just putting forth an opinion, he's speaking factually, from watching players in training, analysing a ton of information about fitness levels, performance, niggles, etc etc
      He knows to a very fine margin who is suited for what game based on tons of information that you don't have, and yet you think your opinion is equal.
      That really does deserve a big internet LOL

      No one is disputing the fact he knows more, and what he picks for match days doesn't mean he is right all the time, it's his opinion, just like it is for  Lijnders and Krawietz, I am sure they all challenge Klopp from time to time and give their opinions that differs from Klopp.

      I am guessing your opinion is equal to that of a film/song writer, director, actor or whatever you disagree with that you do not specialize in, right? I guess you know more than P.Neville by your mindset ;)
      « Last Edit: Nov 21, 2018 07:34:50 pm by PurpleMonkey »
      Swab
      • Forum Legend - Paisley
      • *****

      • 10,288 posts | 1738 
      Re: Pre-Match: Watford V Liverpool (24/11/18 - 15:00)
      Reply #44: Nov 21, 2018 07:44:00 pm
      I don't usually agree with P.Neville, but from time to time, these "idiot" pundits do make sense and give good examples, but my point was more pandering to your mindset about managers and coaches knowing more and are always right ;)

      Just like you are willing to ignore what Klopp said when he said we played a different system and a double 6 and your opinion carries more weight than actual facts.

      Watch games again, look at the heat maps, watch interviews this season and you will see Klopp talking about different system and a double 6. One could say you think your opinion carries more weight than actual facts.

      I have shown you many examples which you choose to ignore, so show me your examples, please.

      No I didn't (not that I remember), go back and check my posts, I am sure I didn't. I highlighted that Klopp said it, something you can't seem to accept. But even if I did say they were 2x 6's , they are still 2 x CM's playing in the CM areas predominantly.

      No one is disputing the fact he knows more, and what he picks for match days doesn't mean he is right all the time, it's his opinion, just like it is for  Lijnders and Krawietz, I am sure they all challenge Klopp from time to time and give their opinions that differs from Klopp.

      I am guessing your opinion is equal to that of a film/song writer, director, actor or whatever you disagree with that you do not specialize in, right? I guess you know more than P.Neville by your mindset ;)

      blah, blah, blah, just more bullshit.

      You either really are clueless and genuinely don't have a clue, or you're on a windup.

      Phil Neville, being put forwards as an expert.

      That's f**king hilarious.
      The bloke wouldn't know his arse from his elbow unless someone told him first, then he'd repeat it as if he'd thought that way all along.

      I really, really can't believe that an utter clown like Neville "stuck in the 90's" is being touted by you as an expert, but since you believe that we play a "double pivot" with one sitter and one "box to box" I guess you watch him quite a lot and get your opinions from there.

      Holy f**king sh*t, that's bad.
      harrydunn08
      • Forum Legend - Dalglish
      • *****

      • 5,166 posts | 609 
      Re: Pre-Match: Watford V Liverpool (24/11/18 - 15:00)
      Reply #45: Nov 21, 2018 08:07:23 pm
      Alisson in goal -- obviously. 

      The back 4 -- VVD, Robbo, and Gomez all start.  The question is if Lovren or TAA start and where that puts Joe.  I'd leave Joe at CB, but I've got a feeling Jürgen will bring Lovren in and move Joe to RB.  Perhaps a little more defensive at the back to make room for Shaqiri in midfield.

      In the middle -- Milner is almost a certain starter due to him having a nice rest.  I also think Shaq needs to start because he's been on fire for club and country.  That leaves 1 spot for Hendo, Fabinho, or Gini -- I'm guessing Gini will get the nod. 

      Attack -- the usual front 3 with Solanke on the bench as a reward for his promising performances lately. 

      4-1 to the Mighty Reds!!
      Robby The Z
      • Forum Legend - Fagan
      • *****

      • 2,843 posts | 519 
      Re: Pre-Match: Watford V Liverpool (24/11/18 - 15:00)
      Reply #46: Nov 21, 2018 09:08:08 pm
      I am still struggling with this whole 6 and 8 thing, especially as football manager has squad numbers. An example of this was xavi and iniesta who wore 6 and 8 for Barcelona but reversed those numbers for spain
      That was to fool Roy Hodgson when they played England.
      Robby The Z
      • Forum Legend - Fagan
      • *****

      • 2,843 posts | 519 
      Re: Pre-Match: Watford V Liverpool (24/11/18 - 15:00)
      Reply #47: Nov 21, 2018 09:16:11 pm
      Alisson in goal -- obviously. 

      The back 4 -- VVD, Robbo, and Gomez all start.  The question is if Lovren or TAA start and where that puts Joe.  I'd leave Joe at CB, but I've got a feeling Jürgen will bring Lovren in and move Joe to RB.  Perhaps a little more defensive at the back to make room for Shaqiri in midfield.

      In the middle -- Milner is almost a certain starter due to him having a nice rest.  I also think Shaq needs to start because he's been on fire for club and country.  That leaves 1 spot for Hendo, Fabinho, or Gini -- I'm guessing Gini will get the nod. 

      Attack -- the usual front 3 with Solanke on the bench as a reward for his promising performances lately. 

      4-1 to the Mighty Reds!!
      Wait You're talking about.... the Watford match??? Look at the thread title man, this is about...oh.

      I think your lineup is about right, although I'd say the midfield three is from Milner, Shaq, Gini and Henderson. Not sure who gets left on the bench out of that group.

      One possible surprise - Alberto Moreno could step in at left back. Robertson doesn't always recover as quickly as the others (less body weight maybe) and he just played 180 minutes in less than a week. Of course Robbo is first choice, but the Watford match might come too soon for him. Don't be too shocked to see Albie (and then watch Watford attack down our left flank).

      LondonRed83
      • Forum Legend - Dalglish
      • *****

      • 7,639 posts | 749 
      Re: Pre-Match: Watford V Liverpool (24/11/18 - 15:00)
      Reply #48: Nov 21, 2018 09:31:41 pm
      Come on everyone - international break is over, it’s back to business.

      Love this time of year: crunch champions league games and a packed Christmas prem schedule! Let’s get behind the team and f**king get as many points as possible!!!

      Buzzing for Watford.
      Scottbot
      • Forum Legend - Dalglish
      • *****

      • 6,967 posts | 1057 
      Re: Pre-Match: Watford V Liverpool (24/11/18 - 15:00)
      Reply #49: Nov 21, 2018 10:08:03 pm
      So far this season;

      Henderson 479 PL + 161 CL minutes
      Gini 994 PL + 360 CL minutes.

      Explain how that happens if the manager really rates Henderson as the highest.
      Personally I think Klopps got the line ups right most of the time with Gini. What he says and does are always so different.

      Isn’t that data completely skewed by the fact Henderson has been injured for a fair chunk of the season whilst Gini has been fit and available for selection? I think Gini would have seen more playing BUT there’s no point using the numbers when they can’t necessarily back up the argument.
      racerx34
      • LFC Reds Subscriber
      • *****
      • 31,137 posts | 2074 
      • THE SALT IN THE SOUP
      Re: Pre-Match: Watford V Liverpool (24/11/18 - 15:00)
      Reply #50: Nov 22, 2018 12:46:47 pm
      I am still struggling with this whole 6 and 8 thing, especially as football manager has squad numbers. An example of this was xavi and iniesta who wore 6 and 8 for Barcelona but reversed those numbers for spain

      I think that started off as discussion on how Klopp's midfield 3 changes while it was still a 4-3-3.
      As in the 6 being deeper, the 8's being box to box and a 10 being the creative link between midfield and attack.
      It seems to have gone off the rails a bit lately but that was my view on it.

      There seems to be some discussion lately on whether the team is playing two No 6s or whether it's a 6 & 8 now that Shaqiri starts more. With Shaqiri starting we definitely line up with a forward doing the work of the 10 so that leaves the 2 no 6s or the 6 & the 8.
      JD
      • LFC Reds Subscriber
      • *****
      • 33,979 posts | 3646 
      Re: Pre-Match: Watford V Liverpool (24/11/18 - 15:00)
      Reply #51: Nov 22, 2018 02:21:17 pm
      Wijnaldum in.

      Not sure whether I would go with Shaqiri - is this one of those games where he might be an extravagance.  An away game against a team who did beat Spurs at their ground.

      Another three points needed though because West Ham will not put up any resistance against Man City.
      waltonl4
      • LFC Reds Subscriber
      • *****
      • 24,151 posts | 2716 
      Re: Pre-Match: Watford V Liverpool (24/11/18 - 15:00)
      Reply #52: Nov 22, 2018 03:24:31 pm
      Klopp has pulled henderson off on multiple occasions?  Really ?

      how come all the other players just get a hug?.
      Sorry couldn't help it
      FATKOPITE10
      • LFC Reds Subscriber
      • *****
      • 8,858 posts | 1350 
      • Liverpool fc give me tourettes
      Re: Pre-Match: Watford V Liverpool (24/11/18 - 15:00)
      Reply #53: Nov 22, 2018 04:17:40 pm
      how come all the other players just get a hug?.
      Sorry couldn't help it

      At least some got the joke  xxxxx:action-smiley-065:
      Scotia
      • LFC Reds Subscriber
      • *****
      • 7,324 posts | 1750 
      Re: Pre-Match: Watford V Liverpool (24/11/18 - 15:00)
      Reply #54: Nov 22, 2018 04:42:14 pm
      how come all the other players just get a hug?.
      Sorry couldn't help it

      His manhood management technique is legend.
      Boston not la
      • Forum Legend - Benitez
      • *****

      • 1,499 posts | 255 
      Re: Pre-Match: Watford V Liverpool (24/11/18 - 15:00)
      Reply #55: Nov 22, 2018 04:42:44 pm
       

      Got it but to early for the panto,no?
      David Wright
      • LFC Reds Subscriber
      • *****
      • 2,799 posts | 139 
      Re: Pre-Match: Watford V Liverpool (24/11/18 - 15:00)
      Reply #56: Nov 22, 2018 05:50:22 pm
      Originally thought this was a home fixture, until reliably informed, it was an away game. Still having said that, still going for a 2  0 win for the Reds, who seem to have the measure of Watford.
      Harrisimo
      • Forum Legend - Benitez
      • *****

      • 1,749 posts | 223 
      Re: Pre-Match: Watford V Liverpool (24/11/18 - 15:00)
      Reply #57: Nov 22, 2018 07:14:41 pm
      Wijnaldum in.

      Not sure whether I would go with Shaqiri - is this one of those games where he might be an extravagance.  An away game against a team who did beat Spurs at their ground.

      Another three points needed though because West Ham will not put up any resistance against Man City.

      But if we start going on the back foot against teams like Watford, it would be a step in the wrong direction.. I like the way Watford attack, they have pace and invention but must fancy our chances. We must go there confident in our ability to impose ourselves.

      Shaq has shown he can be the catalyst. He gels well with the attack particularly with Mo. So I would go with Shaq,he is fresh, eager and plays with a sense of urgency. Good for the overall mentality of the team.
      « Last Edit: Nov 22, 2018 07:26:31 pm by Harrisimo »
      althebest1
      • Forum Legend - Fagan
      • *****

      • 3,411 posts | 331 
      Re: Pre-Match: Watford V Liverpool (24/11/18 - 15:00)
      Reply #58: Nov 23, 2018 07:12:02 am
      Need some height at the back for set pieces so it could be bye bye Trent for this one, keep him fresh for PSG.
      6stringer
      • LFC Reds Subscriber
      • *****
      • 1,807 posts | 382 
      Re: Pre-Match: Watford V Liverpool (24/11/18 - 15:00)
      Reply #59: Nov 23, 2018 12:24:00 pm
      Pain in the ass team Watford with their shithouse long throws and ale house tactics.
      18 months have passed since that piss take 3-3 draw on the opening day of last season when a certain Mo Salah scored his first goal for us :D
      Just think we'll be too much for them despite their huffing and puffing and so long as we can keep that numpty Troy Deeney on his arse we'll be fine.
      heimdall
      • Forum Legend - Dalglish
      • *****

      • 7,189 posts | 1360 
      Re: Pre-Match: Watford V Liverpool (24/11/18 - 15:00)
      Reply #60: Nov 23, 2018 02:10:41 pm
      Depends if we can start well and not suffer our usual post international below par performance. I fancy us to win this quite comfortably and for the forwards to really kick on now, I certainly hope so anyway otherwise December is going to be a tough month.
      Tadders
      • Forum Legend - Fagan
      • *****

      • 4,439 posts | 248 
      Re: Pre-Match: Watford V Liverpool (24/11/18 - 15:00)
      Reply #61: Nov 23, 2018 05:35:07 pm
      Tough tough game - a win would be superb - it just might be the game when we click into gear
      molbys belly
      • Forum Legend - Benitez
      • *****

      • 1,139 posts | 54 
      Re: Pre-Match: Watford V Liverpool (24/11/18 - 15:00)
      Reply #62: Nov 23, 2018 05:47:14 pm
      Awkward game but one I feel we are going to be bang at it
      3-0 to the reds
      Billy1
      • Forum Legend - Dalglish
      • *****

      • 9,952 posts | 1394 
      Re: Pre-Match: Watford V Liverpool (24/11/18 - 15:00)
      Reply #63: Nov 23, 2018 08:49:48 pm
      Just bring the 3 points back to Anfield,how you get them doesn't matter as long as you get them.
      waltonl4
      • LFC Reds Subscriber
      • *****
      • 24,151 posts | 2716 
      Re: Pre-Match: Watford V Liverpool (24/11/18 - 15:00)
      Reply #64: Nov 23, 2018 08:54:10 pm
      Just bring the 3 points back to Anfield,how you get them doesn't matter as long as you get them.

      exactly plenty of time for the champagne stuff just win these next 6 games and then start to believe
      Alfie2510
      • Forum Legend - Benitez
      • *****

      • 2,376 posts | 317 
      Re: Pre-Match: Watford V Liverpool (24/11/18 - 15:00)
      Reply #65: Nov 24, 2018 02:04:32 am
      Watford are quite a big physical team wouldn’t be surprised if Gomez is RB and Lovern CB
      Surely got to find a place for Shaq?
      7-King Kenny-7
      • Lives on Sesame Street
      • LFC Reds Subscriber
      • *****
      • 37,682 posts | 2594 
      • You'll Never Walk Alone!
      Re: Pre-Match: Watford V Liverpool (24/11/18 - 15:00)
      Reply #66: Nov 24, 2018 02:22:45 am
      Another 4 goals and 1 assist from Salah be decent.

      I have a horrible, nagging feeling that Moreno will be starting this game... hope I’m wrong.
      German_Panzer
      • Forum David Johnson
      • **

      • 226 posts | 30 
      Re: Pre-Match: Watford V Liverpool (24/11/18 - 15:00)
      Reply #67: Nov 24, 2018 02:30:21 am
      I have a horrible, nagging feeling that Moreno will be starting this game... hope I’m wrong.

      Klopp has neglected Moreno and that could bite him. Moreno has no match experience he could learn and improve from. He'll be rusty and Watford is not a bad side.
      7-King Kenny-7
      • Lives on Sesame Street
      • LFC Reds Subscriber
      • *****
      • 37,682 posts | 2594 
      • You'll Never Walk Alone!
      Re: Pre-Match: Watford V Liverpool (24/11/18 - 15:00)
      Reply #68: Nov 24, 2018 05:49:26 am
      Klopp has neglected Moreno and that could bite him. Moreno has no match experience he could learn and improve from. He'll be rusty and Watford is not a bad side.

      Played against Cardiff though didn’t he. You should read the comments from Klopp about Robbo;

      ”Had 2 very intensive games for Scotland”

      Welcome to your own assumptions but IMO there is a genuine possibility Robbo isn’t starting this game, especially with PSG in the week, and if he doesn’t then it’s likely to be Moreno starting. Unfortunately.
      « Last Edit: Nov 24, 2018 05:54:38 am by 7-King Kenny-7 »
      tezmac
      • Forum Legend - Dalglish
      • *****

      • 6,117 posts | 134 
      • F**k the Sun F**k Murdoch F**k the press
      Re: Pre-Match: Watford V Liverpool (24/11/18 - 15:00)
      Reply #69: Nov 24, 2018 06:15:04 am
      Ohhhh
      joemack
      • Forum Kevin Keegan
      • ***

      • 338 posts |
      Re: Pre-Match: Watford V Liverpool (24/11/18 - 15:00)
      Reply #70: Nov 24, 2018 06:33:27 am
      how come all the other players just get a hug?.
      Sorry couldn't help it

      :)
      Scottbot
      • Forum Legend - Dalglish
      • *****

      • 6,967 posts | 1057 
      Re: Pre-Match: Watford V Liverpool (24/11/18 - 15:00)
      Reply #71: Nov 24, 2018 06:45:25 am
      I’d take an ugly 1-0 all day long, much like last season. This lot are decent at home and I read Klopp has won one, drawn one and lost one since coming to the club.
      7-King Kenny-7
      • Lives on Sesame Street
      • LFC Reds Subscriber
      • *****
      • 37,682 posts | 2594 
      • You'll Never Walk Alone!
      Re: Pre-Match: Watford V Liverpool (24/11/18 - 15:00)
      Reply #72: Nov 24, 2018 06:54:12 am
      I’d take an ugly 1-0 all day long, much like last season. This lot are decent at home and I read Klopp has won one, drawn one and lost one since coming to the club.

      They remind me of Palace to be honest. They are often a difficult game for us, in fact it’s Palace, Watford and Leicester that I don’t look too forward to us playing, 3 teams that have a habit of causing us problems at their own ground.
      GERNS
      • Forum Legend - Dalglish
      • *****

      • 6,723 posts | 412 
      Re: Pre-Match: Watford V Liverpool (24/11/18 - 15:00)
      Reply #73: Nov 24, 2018 07:42:02 am
      Think everyone knows this can be a difficult fixture. Think I went for an optimistic 0:3 in predictions. We’ll need to get Off to a good start and an early goal for that, but a scruffy 0:1will do.
      Strongest available for me, just make sure we win it, resting players comes when we are comfortably ahead !
      Scotia
      • LFC Reds Subscriber
      • *****
      • 7,324 posts | 1750 
      Re: Pre-Match: Watford V Liverpool (24/11/18 - 15:00)
      Reply #74: Nov 24, 2018 07:56:55 am
      Klopp has neglected Moreno and that could bite him. Moreno has no match experience he could learn and improve from. He'll be rusty and Watford is not a bad side.

      Utter tosh.

      He’s not played him because he has the best lb in the league and Moreno is utterly unreliable.

      Talk sense.
      Scotia
      • LFC Reds Subscriber
      • *****
      • 7,324 posts | 1750 
      Re: Pre-Match: Watford V Liverpool (24/11/18 - 15:00)
      Reply #75: Nov 24, 2018 07:59:27 am
      Played against Cardiff though didn’t he. You should read the comments from Klopp about Robbo;

      ”Had 2 very intensive games for Scotland”

      Welcome to your own assumptions but IMO there is a genuine possibility Robbo isn’t starting this game, especially with PSG in the week, and if he doesn’t then it’s likely to be Moreno starting. Unfortunately.

      Saw that and posted in Bertie’s thread mate.

      The only similar gap in our squad is Allison to Migs.

      There’s cover in front 3 and midfield but you’re replacing an elite performer with a guy who has proven himself inadequate.
      7-King Kenny-7
      • Lives on Sesame Street
      • LFC Reds Subscriber
      • *****
      • 37,682 posts | 2594 
      • You'll Never Walk Alone!
      Re: Pre-Match: Watford V Liverpool (24/11/18 - 15:00)
      Reply #76: Nov 24, 2018 09:21:14 am
      Saw that and posted in Bertie’s thread mate.

      The only similar gap in our squad is Allison to Migs.

      There’s cover in front 3 and midfield but you’re replacing an elite performer with a guy who has proven himself inadequate.

      I’d like to think that if Robbo is to miss out then Milly will go to LB with Keita coming back into the midfield. Milly has had a 2 week break so it’s a given he will play, just a question of where. Hopefully if Robbo is rested for midweek then Klopp really doesn’t risk it and go for Moreno because like you say, he’s proven himself inadequate and done so time and time again. Watford are no mugs, if Moreno is playing you can guarantee they will target the life out of him and I’m almost certain he will lead to us conceding.
      Cad1875
      • LFC Reds Subscriber
      • *****
      • 451 posts | 21 
      Re: Pre-Match: Watford V Liverpool (24/11/18 - 15:00)
      Reply #77: Nov 24, 2018 10:15:46 am
      Depends what Watford turns up, the improved version or the one that lost to Newcastle and drew with Southampton, same goes for us we have everything to rip them apart but its after the break and what Liverpool side turns up is anybody's guess,its not a fixture to faff about with the squad IMO, strongest 11 tuck the points away, sub as required then move on to the next challenge,
      David Wright
      • LFC Reds Subscriber
      • *****
      • 2,799 posts | 139 
      Re: Pre-Match: Watford V Liverpool (24/11/18 - 15:00)
      Reply #78: Nov 24, 2018 10:59:30 am
      Pretty good record against Watford, will take a 2  0 win today. Although need to attack from the start.
      billythered
      • LFC Reds Subscriber
      • *****
      • 6,016 posts | 1691 
      • From Doubters to Believers
      Re: Pre-Match: Watford V Liverpool (24/11/18 - 15:00)
      Reply #79: Nov 24, 2018 10:59:46 am
      Got to keep winning and keep the pressure on shitty, we're approaching a critical phase in the league so staying and possibly surpassing Pep & co will obviously be in our favour, so as strong a side as possible for this, we have ghe squad and we have the quality so no excuses really,

      Like most our team selection is our own opinions so here's mine....

                                  Alisson
          Gomez  Lovren Van Dijk Robertson
                   Hendo  Wijnaldom  Keita
                      Salah Firmino Mane

      I think this will be the back 5 Jürgen will use in Paris, so giving them 90+ minutes together is not a bad thing,
      The middle will change to accommodate Milner and probably Fabinho, alongside Gini, Henderson will be a liability imo on Wednesday,  with Fabinho more accustomed to at this level,
      The front three speak for themselves and are almost a given in fixture.


      First things first though,  lets despatch of Watford and keep that pressure on shitty,  imo, they had a easy ride last season lets see how they handle someone breathing down their necks when it comes down to their arse doing the 10p 5p dance ?

      1-3 Champions Elect  !!

      YNWA
      7-King Kenny-7
      • Lives on Sesame Street
      • LFC Reds Subscriber
      • *****
      • 37,682 posts | 2594 
      • You'll Never Walk Alone!
      Re: Pre-Match: Watford V Liverpool (24/11/18 - 15:00)
      Reply #80: Nov 24, 2018 11:02:52 am
      24 points up for grabs between now and when we next face City (apparently...not checked). This is one of them potential banana skin games that we really need the 3 points from. Often it’s games like this we let ourselves down and although we have let ourselves down performance wise vs Brighton and Leicester this season in particular, we’ve gotten the all important 3 points so let’s make sure that happens again today. I’d happily take a hard fought 1-0 win but would like us to make light work of it if possible.
      heimdall
      • Forum Legend - Dalglish
      • *****

      • 7,189 posts | 1360 
      Re: Pre-Match: Watford V Liverpool (24/11/18 - 15:00)
      Reply #81: Nov 24, 2018 11:09:06 am
      24 points up for grabs between now and when we next face City (apparently...not checked). This is one of them potential banana skin games that we really need the 3 points from. Often it’s games like this we let ourselves down and although we have let ourselves down performance wise vs Brighton and Leicester this season in particular, we’ve gotten the all important 3 points so let’s make sure that happens again today. I’d happily take a hard fought 1-0 win but would like us to make light work of it if possible.

      Its not really a banana skin game, Watford are a decent team, a win today will be a good result, especially after the international break
      waltonl4
      • LFC Reds Subscriber
      • *****
      • 24,151 posts | 2716 
      Re: Pre-Match: Watford V Liverpool (24/11/18 - 15:00)
      Reply #82: Nov 24, 2018 11:10:20 am
      playing at 3pm on a Saturday no way that will catch on.
      REally hoping to see Kieta play he looked so good early on and he is definitely different from what we have available now the one thing we lack from midfield is goals.

      We don't let many in and score well so its hard to see anything but a win today.
      Shabs
      • Forum Legend - Shankly
      • *****

      • 21,416 posts | 2079 
      Re: Pre-Match: Watford V Liverpool (24/11/18 - 15:00)
      Reply #83: Nov 24, 2018 11:18:15 am
      Not really fussed about performance, 3 points are the most important today...
      Harrisimo
      • Forum Legend - Benitez
      • *****

      • 1,749 posts | 223 
      Re: Pre-Match: Watford V Liverpool (24/11/18 - 15:00)
      Reply #84: Nov 24, 2018 12:21:59 pm
      What the hell is this....Saturday kick off..at 3 O'clock...!...who's idea is this...ridiculous..I bet the FA are behind this..whoever dreamt this up..wants lockin' up...looks like my wife will have to do the shopping now...she'll be getting behind with her knitting now...
      Harrisimo
      • Forum Legend - Benitez
      • *****

      • 1,749 posts | 223 
      Re: Pre-Match: Watford V Liverpool (24/11/18 - 15:00)
      Reply #85: Nov 24, 2018 01:35:26 pm
      PSG on Wednesday. Will that tempt Klopp to prioritise...maybe. Not rest players but prepare for PSG. Midfield will be fully maned V PSG. Then he might play Shaq today, go at them early. We don't need a dog fight hanging on for the win or a point today.

      Taking a conservative view of midfield today might invite pressure. My midfield of Hendo,Keita and Shaqiri is the offensive approach but he might hold Hendo back for PSG.
      Ribapuru
      • Forum Legend - Dalglish
      • *****

      • 9,728 posts | 1064 
      Re: Pre-Match: Watford V Liverpool (24/11/18 - 15:00)
      Reply #86: Nov 24, 2018 01:36:11 pm
      Another 4 goals and 1 assist from Salah be decent.

      I have a horrible, nagging feeling that Moreno will be starting this game... hope I’m wrong.
      I think you're wrong on this one so don't worry. Klopp has Milner or Fabinho who can cover Robertson before we worry about going down to 10 and a half men. I'm not saying Moreno is half a man, he's half a footballer though.
      Tadders
      • Forum Legend - Fagan
      • *****

      • 4,439 posts | 248 
      Re: Pre-Match: Watford V Liverpool (24/11/18 - 15:00)
      Reply #87: Nov 24, 2018 01:45:22 pm
      a few posts about people not being worried about the performance. I am, i Cannot remember the last time we played well. We are winning more often than not, but we need to put in a decent performance, especially with PSG looming.
      molbys belly
      • Forum Legend - Benitez
      • *****

      • 1,139 posts | 54 
      Re: Pre-Match: Watford V Liverpool (24/11/18 - 15:00)
      Reply #88: Nov 24, 2018 01:51:18 pm
      I agree we do need a good performance but please get the 3 points lads .  Once we do click it's game on for the league . C'mon u reds
      Ribapuru
      • Forum Legend - Dalglish
      • *****

      • 9,728 posts | 1064 
      Re: Pre-Match: Watford V Liverpool (24/11/18 - 15:00)
      Reply #89: Nov 24, 2018 01:54:01 pm
      a few posts about people not being worried about the performance. I am, i Cannot remember the last time we played well. We are winning more often than not, but we need to put in a decent performance, especially with PSG looming.
      Watford managed just 1 point this month, against Newcastle and Southampton. I'm not sure we have to worry about them too much. We'll put them away as long as we don't really suck badly.
      Tadders
      • Forum Legend - Fagan
      • *****

      • 4,439 posts | 248 
      Re: Pre-Match: Watford V Liverpool (24/11/18 - 15:00)
      Reply #90: Nov 24, 2018 01:55:53 pm
      Watford managed just 1 point this month, against Newcastle and Southampton. I'm not sure we have to worry about them too much. We'll put them away as long as we don't really suck badly.

      Hope you are right
      Ribapuru
      • Forum Legend - Dalglish
      • *****

      • 9,728 posts | 1064 
      Re: Pre-Match: Watford V Liverpool (24/11/18 - 15:00)
      Reply #91: Nov 24, 2018 01:58:27 pm
      Welcome to your own assumptions but IMO there is a genuine possibility Robbo isn’t starting this game, especially with PSG in the week, and if he doesn’t then it’s likely to be Moreno starting. Unfortunately.
      Wasn't aware of Robbo in Scotlands 2 games , ridiculous to group 2 nation league matches like that. Should be like England and have 1 League 1 friendly. If Robbo is totally done in, Fabinho should get LB. He does it for Brazil so why not Pool?
      Harrisimo
      • Forum Legend - Benitez
      • *****

      • 1,749 posts | 223 
      Re: Pre-Match: Watford V Liverpool (24/11/18 - 15:00)
      Reply #92: Nov 24, 2018 02:03:37 pm
      Watford managed just 1 point this month, against Newcastle and Southampton. I'm not sure we have to worry about them too much. We'll put them away as long as we don't really suck badly.

      They are up for the fight against the top 4/5. Bit of a feather in their bonce etc. I'll be pleasantly surprised if we breeze past these...breeze these..they have pace and trickery, can turn us over if we are not on it.

      Quick Reply