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      Watford 0-3 Liverpool: In game and Post Match discussion

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      waltonl4
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      Re: Watford 0-3 Liverpool: In game and Post Match discussion
      Reply #350: Nov 25, 2018 03:31:17 pm
      On the BBC red button, they claimed our defence was "shaky throughout"...WTF...load of crap. Watford's attack was atrocious, apart from Alison making one or two smart saves our defence had an easy day. Both TAA and Robbo spent most of the game as attacking wing backs.


      Saw that quote and it did make me laugh 13 games with a dodgy defence but only 5 goals conceded I'll take that
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      Re: Watford 0-3 Liverpool: In game and Post Match discussion
      Reply #351: Nov 25, 2018 03:52:09 pm
      Saw that quote and it did make me laugh 13 games with a dodgy defence but only 5 goals conceded I'll take that


      Imagine what we could do with a good defence ;-)
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      Re: Watford 0-3 Liverpool: In game and Post Match discussion
      Reply #352: Nov 25, 2018 04:05:52 pm
      Imagine what we could do with a good defence ;-)

      or a good goalkeeper we could conquer the world.
      The good thing about our goalie is that we hardly notice him which is such a bonus.
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      Re: Watford 0-3 Liverpool: In game and Post Match discussion
      Reply #353: Nov 25, 2018 04:37:41 pm
      See even the motd pundits were highlighting Hendos meaningless sideways and backwards passing, while he clearly had more offensive passes available. He thereby slowed the attack and turned the momentum from positive to negative !
      So it’s not just me 🤷🏼‍♂️

      They picked 2isleading stills - one of Hendo and one of Robbo.

      In neither situation was the pass really on as the defenders were alert to it and covering.
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      Re: Watford 0-3 Liverpool: In game and Post Match discussion
      Reply #354: Nov 25, 2018 05:10:37 pm
      On the BBC red button, they claimed our defence was "shaky throughout"...WTF...load of crap. Watford's attack was atrocious, apart from Alison making one or two smart saves our defence had an easy day. Both TAA and Robbo spent most of the game as attacking wing backs.

      Apart from the obvious couple of attacks Watford had, was petty much a quiet day for our back line.

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      Re: Watford 0-3 Liverpool: In game and Post Match discussion
      Reply #355: Nov 25, 2018 06:03:50 pm
      On the BBC red button, they claimed our defence was "shaky throughout"...WTF...load of crap. Watford's attack was atrocious, apart from Alison making one or two smart saves our defence had an easy day. Both TAA and Robbo spent most of the game as attacking wing backs.

      Said before the game Shaq hasn't had a quiet game so far..then he has his quietest game for a long time. Mane was in the same boat, in the first half, apart from one chance. Came into it more as we focused out attack down the left. Won't be many teams have such a cushy number at Watford as we did.

      Exactly the reason I kill the volume on MOTD.
      We can all see what's going on and don't need the views of a biased commentator out to sensationalise.
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      Re: Watford 0-3 Liverpool: In game and Post Match discussion
      Reply #356: Nov 25, 2018 06:08:41 pm
      See even the motd pundits were highlighting Hendos meaningless sideways and backwards passing, while he clearly had more offensive passes available. He thereby slowed the attack and turned the momentum from positive to negative !
      So it’s not just me 🤷🏼‍♂️

      Take a snapshot of an unfolding situation, of less than a second duration out of nearly 100 minutes of football then use that snapshot to make a judgement on a player.

      What I watched was remarkably different; I saw a pass that would have been cut out by a defender anticipating it and stepping out to intercept, which was seen as the frame rolled on.
      So instead of losing the ball, he took the correct option, and passed so that we went down the other flank.

      FFS, the other day we had a numpty holding up Phil F***ing Neville as a coaching and formation guru, with his Uefa B license, and now this, a snapshot with absolutely no context being used as a stick to beat the skipper with.
      « Last Edit: Nov 25, 2018 06:20:44 pm by Swab »
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      Re: Watford 0-3 Liverpool: In game and Post Match discussion
      Reply #357: Nov 25, 2018 06:52:45 pm
      Take a snapshot of an unfolding situation, of less than a second duration out of nearly 100 minutes of football then use that snapshot to make a judgement on a player.

      What I watched was remarkably different; I saw a pass that would have been cut out by a defender anticipating it and stepping out to intercept, which was seen as the frame rolled on.
      So instead of losing the ball, he took the correct option, and passed so that we went down the other flank.

      FFS, the other day we had a numpty holding up Phil F***ing Neville as a coaching and formation guru, with his Uefa B license, and now this, a snapshot with absolutely no context being used as a stick to beat the skipper with.
      Ignore Swab posting trash like this. Had those pundits been complementing Henderson he'd be pointing it out, but if it's criticism it's insults and discrediting.

      Henderson probably had the worst game of his season.

      Additionally, I saw what a user posted about Philip Neville. Swab, like always is twisting and exaggerating that.
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      Re: Watford 0-3 Liverpool: In game and Post Match discussion
      Reply #358: Nov 25, 2018 07:41:21 pm
      There was one pass I was annoyed Hendo didn’t make all game and it was very similar to what Bobby played to Mané for the goal. Apart from that he was okay.

      On to Paris! Can’t bloody wait for that. Going to be a belter.
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      Re: Watford 0-3 Liverpool: In game and Post Match discussion
      Reply #359: Nov 25, 2018 08:18:40 pm
      Ignore Swab posting trash like this. Had those pundits been complementing Henderson he'd be pointing it out, but if it's criticism it's insults and discrediting.

      Henderson probably had the worst game of his season.

      Additionally, I saw what a user posted about Philip Neville. Swab, like always is twisting and exaggerating that.

      Worst WUM attempt ever.
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      Re: Watford 0-3 Liverpool: In game and Post Match discussion
      Reply #360: Nov 25, 2018 09:12:14 pm
      if people don't quote the idiot I don't have to read his posts that bring me out in a rash. What is the point of ignoring someone only to see the crap they post just when you least expect it.
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      Re: Watford 0-3 Liverpool: In game and Post Match discussion
      Reply #361: Nov 25, 2018 11:59:23 pm
      I was worried about this one beforehand, even before the break. Every banana skin cop out for not winning was available; first game after the break, tiredness, cold, tough place to go to, busparkers, ref, etc. Thankfully, we only slipped on the last one when the game was already in the bag, of which more anon.

      With West Ham unable to put up any resistance to City, the signs looked ominous for us at half time, and if you had offered me 3-0 after an hour, I would have asked "how?" We were struggling to create chances, let alone break them down, and more posters were queueing up to say things about us after the game, than just German Panzer. Then the goal finally came, they had to come out and the floodgates opened up. The 3-0 scoreline looks like we won the easy way, but it was anything but until we went in front.

      It looked like it would get even more difficult when they had a penalty appeal at 0-0. With Moss in charge, I expected him to give it, as he's one of the worst refs in the league, but it was the correct decision.

      I'm always wanting Hendo to lead by example, take the game by the scruff of the neck and keep a cool head, after all that's what captains do on days like this, in games like that. I don't think I called for the shoving of opponents in their back in their own half. Moss may be keen to dish out red cards to Liverpool players, but Hendo gave him little option this time. It's our first red card since City away last year in the league. Ref? You guessed it.

      Other than that, 3 goals and 3 points to give us 33 in total, and another tricky away game safely negotiated. There's only one more trip to London left, away to Fulham.

      One other thing though. We've scored just 3 times in the league, and 5 goals overall, before half time in the past two months. We used to be known for flying out of the blocks and getting games won by half time. Now we're usually having to wait a bit longer, but while we're still winning, I suppose it's better late than never.
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      Re: Watford 0-3 Liverpool: In game and Post Match discussion
      Reply #362: Nov 26, 2018 03:59:14 am
      It wasn't a WUM attempt. It was a response to you calling people "numpties" and discrediting pundits on MOTD just to suit your argument. You can't debate, with you it's just insults and discredit. When all fails you start quoting Klopp and when what Klopp days doesn't fit you say managers aren't always honest. At the end of the day, you don't even attempt to understand other users opinions and never even think to consider they have a point worth debating. How many times have you ever conceded that another forum member was right and you had an altered perspective? I'm guessing it's zero and you call people "numpties" or "wum". Regarding Phillip Neville, I've no idea what he said but I'd imagine he was more accurate than you, as would I say the person you were insulting would be. There's only so long you can insult and not debate a point before people assume you don't know what you're talking about.

      It's not being a WUM when I said Henderson had the worst game of his season so far, Squawka, Mirror and numerous other sites rated him below 6/10 for the first time this season. What will you do to discredit this? Say Mirror has an agenda against Henderson?

      www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/news/liverpool-player-ratings-vs-watford-13638247.amp


      Sent off, two daft bookings. Failed to make incisive contributions from the middle of the pitch.


      So will you

      A) Agree
      B) Debate, provide counter argument with evidence
      C) Attempt to discredit and call me names
      « Last Edit: Nov 26, 2018 04:13:57 am by Ribapuru »
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      Re: Watford 0-3 Liverpool: In game and Post Match discussion
      Reply #363: Nov 26, 2018 04:53:03 am
      FFS, the other day we had a numpty holding up Phil F***ing Neville as a coaching and formation guru, with his Uefa B license, and now this, a snapshot with absolutely no context being used as a stick to beat the skipper with.

      Nice of you to call me a numpty and making me reply and going off topic.

      You really are a bit of a c**t, aren't you? I have disagreed with many on here, and you are the first on the forums that resorts to name calling towards me. Seriously, how old are you? (hope you are still a teen, at least you would have an excuse).

      But yeah, Klopp is better qualified and knows more which makes us all wrong when we disagree or criticise (according to you), however, even though P.Neville is better qualified and knows more, he is wrong and you are right, right? ;)

      Ignore Swab posting trash like this. Had those pundits been complementing Henderson he'd be pointing it out, but if it's criticism it's insults and discrediting.


      Additionally, I saw what a user posted about Philip Neville. Swab, like always is twisting and exaggerating that.

      He is an absolute c**t, isn't he? Had some PM's warning me about him, how he gets angry easily and can't let things go when being challenged, it's either agree with him or you get attacked by him.

      And thanks, I have noticed reading back some of his posts, he does go off the mark a lot when he doesn't agree with an opinion, which usually leads to insults, lies and exaggerations. Definitely SJW/NPC tendencies going on, scary stuff!!!!
      « Last Edit: Nov 26, 2018 05:21:17 am by PurpleMonkey »
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      Re: Watford 0-3 Liverpool: In game and Post Match discussion
      Reply #364: Nov 26, 2018 05:15:50 am
      It wasn't a WUM attempt. It was a response to you calling people "numpties" and discrediting pundits on MOTD just to suit your argument. You can't debate, with you it's just insults and discredit. When all fails you start quoting Klopp and when what Klopp days doesn't fit you say managers aren't always honest. At the end of the day, you don't even attempt to understand other users opinions and never even think to consider they have a point worth debating. How many times have you ever conceded that another forum member was right and you had an altered perspective? I'm guessing it's zero and you call people "numpties" or "wum". Regarding Phillip Neville, I've no idea what he said but I'd imagine he was more accurate than you, as would I say the person you were insulting would be. There's only so long you can insult and not debate a point before people assume you don't know what you're talking about.

      Majority of the time, I disagree with P.Neville, Owen, Savage, Hartson etc and consider them muppets! But I am sure we have all agreed with these muppets from time to time, right? There is no disputing they are better qualified with access to more data than us. However, no matter how qualified or better equipped they are, they still have a differing opinion, just like how it is with Klopp, his opinion is not always right (unless you have Swab's logic!) and usually, we fan's would probably get something right over him!!

      As for what the legendary P.Neville said, he explained how our system changes when using a double pivot oppose to a 3 man midfield with examples, and even watching the Watford match, you can clearly see (yet again) 4231 differs to 433.
      « Last Edit: Nov 26, 2018 05:20:04 am by PurpleMonkey »
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      Reply #365: Nov 26, 2018 05:17:53 am
      I like cake 🎂
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      Re: Watford 0-3 Liverpool: In game and Post Match discussion
      Reply #366: Nov 26, 2018 11:12:10 am
      Did we ever get to the bottom of whether it should or shouldn't have been a penalty for Watford? 

      I know Will Hughes made the most of it - but did Robbo actually catch him or not?
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      Reply #367: Nov 26, 2018 11:16:11 am
      With Keita and Shaqiri being runners and Gini our only decent true CM right now,  I think your talking out where the sun doesn't shine. Ox can play multiple roles, but he's publicly said he wants to play CM and we need him there. We don't know Shaqiris role today yet either, he might be ATM in a 3 or #10 ahead of a double pivot. That's yet to be seen.

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      Re: Watford 0-3 Liverpool: In game and Post Match discussion
      Reply #368: Nov 26, 2018 11:33:21 am
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      Reply #369: Nov 26, 2018 12:22:16 pm
      Did we ever get to the bottom of whether it should or shouldn't have been a penalty for Watford? 

      I know Will Hughes made the most of it - but did Robbo actually catch him or not?

      It looked to me like he’d pulled out of challenge just in time.....but I do think it’s work remembering he is allowed to make contact without it being a penalty too......

      It does strike me that it’s become so sanitised and indeed scrutinised that gets forgotten.

      Any contact was utterly minimal and did not result in the fall we saw - so (in my humble....) should 100% have been a yellow.

      I also think Jürgen will have a word and say - harry them in there but don’t swing a leg unless you’re in front.
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      Re: Watford 0-3 Liverpool: In game and Post Match discussion
      Reply #370: Nov 26, 2018 12:32:15 pm
      Nice of you to call me a numpty and making me reply and going off topic.

      You really are a bit of a c**t, aren't you? I have disagreed with many on here, and you are the first on the forums that resorts to name calling towards me. Seriously, how old are you? (hope you are still a teen, at least you would have an excuse).

      But yeah, Klopp is better qualified and knows more which makes us all wrong when we disagree or criticise (according to you), however, even though P.Neville is better qualified and knows more, he is wrong and you are right, right? ;)

      He is an absolute c**t, isn't he? Had some PM's warning me about him, how he gets angry easily and can't let things go when being challenged, it's either agree with him or you get attacked by him.

      And thanks, I have noticed reading back some of his posts, he does go off the mark a lot when he doesn't agree with an opinion, which usually leads to insults, lies and exaggerations. Definitely SJW/NPC tendencies going on, scary stuff!!!!

      LOL
      It wasn't personal, as I really couldn't remember who had said it, but take it as you will.

      Bottom line is anyone daft enough to use Phil Neville to back up any statement at all, is a f**king numpty, so y'know, if the cap fits and all that.

      I mean seriously.
      Phil Neville? With his UEFA B license and expertise as a yes man to Moyes?
       :lmao:
      It's really quite something when you understand that Gary Neville got the brains and the looks out of the 2 of them.

      I can only assume that your self styled "expertise" is nothing more than the repetition of whatever is said by pundits, who are either failed managers or didn't even have the bottle to try, almost to a man.
      You can see the difference when Carragher is on, a man noted for being a student of the game, he is one of the very few who talks any sense.
      « Last Edit: Nov 26, 2018 01:26:30 pm by Swab »
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      Reply #371: Nov 26, 2018 12:34:26 pm
      It looked to me like he’d pulled out of challenge just in time.....but I do think it’s work remembering he is allowed to make contact without it being a penalty too......

      It does strike me that it’s become so sanitised and indeed scrutinised that gets forgotten.

      Any contact was utterly minimal and did not result in the fall we saw - so (in my humble....) should 100% have been a yellow.

      I also think Jürgen will have a word and say - harry them in there but don’t swing a leg unless you’re in front.

      An excellent point, and something that I had indeed forgotten.

      My first reaction was penalty, but watching it back, on slow motion, no.
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      Re: Watford 0-3 Liverpool: In game and Post Match discussion
      Reply #372: Nov 26, 2018 12:41:51 pm

      Now I remember why that term cracks me up.
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      Re: Watford 0-3 Liverpool: In game and Post Match discussion
      Reply #373: Nov 26, 2018 01:22:56 pm
      Now I remember why that term cracks me up.

      I will always hear the term as my boxing coach used to shout it at me during footwork sessions.

      Even after 10 years as a footie coach it just sounds odd to me in that context......
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      Re: Watford 0-3 Liverpool: In game and Post Match discussion
      Reply #374: Nov 26, 2018 02:09:47 pm
      I will always hear the term as my boxing coach used to shout it at me during footwork sessions.

      Even after 10 years as a footie coach it just sounds odd to me in that context......

      Certain buzzwords never really work for me.
      "Double Pivot" and "Transition" are up there.
      Especially as they often mean the user has no intention of discussing the points further.

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