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      Watford 0-3 Liverpool: In game and Post Match discussion

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      The Real Donavan Ried
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      Re: Watford 0-3 Liverpool: In game and Post Match discussion
      Reply #390: Nov 26, 2018 08:19:49 pm
      I was worried about this one beforehand, even before the break. Every banana skin cop out for not winning was available; first game after the break, tiredness, cold, tough place to go to, busparkers, ref, etc. Thankfully, we only slipped on the last one when the game was already in the bag, of which more anon.

      With West Ham unable to put up any resistance to City, the signs looked ominous for us at half time, and if you had offered me 3-0 after an hour, I would have asked "how?" We were struggling to create chances, let alone break them down, and more posters were queueing up to say things about us after the game, than just German Panzer. Then the goal finally came, they had to come out and the floodgates opened up. The 3-0 scoreline looks like we won the easy way, but it was anything but until we went in front.

      It looked like it would get even more difficult when they had a penalty appeal at 0-0. With Moss in charge, I expected him to give it, as he's one of the worst refs in the league, but it was the correct decision.

      I'm always wanting Hendo to lead by example, take the game by the scruff of the neck and keep a cool head, after all that's what captains do on days like this, in games like that. I don't think I called for the shoving of opponents in their back in their own half. Moss may be keen to dish out red cards to Liverpool players, but Hendo gave him little option this time. It's our first red card since City away last year in the league. Ref? You guessed it.

      Other than that, 3 goals and 3 points to give us 33 in total, and another tricky away game safely negotiated. There's only one more trip to London left, away to Fulham.

      One other thing though. We've scored just 3 times in the league, and 5 goals overall, before half time in the past two months. We used to be known for flying out of the blocks and getting games won by half time. Now we're usually having to wait a bit longer, but while we're still winning, I suppose it's better late than never.
      I agree with most everything you said, expect that they were bus parkers... Yes they defended deep and with most of thier players behind the ball, but when they came forward they did so with numbers...
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      Re: Watford 0-3 Liverpool: In game and Post Match discussion
      Reply #391: Nov 26, 2018 08:26:32 pm
      Win 3-0 and three defenders are atop the MOTM voting.

      To quote the big fella, “I love clean sheets, man”.
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      Re: Watford 0-3 Liverpool: In game and Post Match discussion
      Reply #392: Nov 26, 2018 08:29:55 pm
      I think people are wrong when they say Klopps priority is not losing. We're still trying to win every game. We have been packing creativity in the middle sometimes that's all.
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      Re: Watford 0-3 Liverpool: In game and Post Match discussion
      Reply #393: Nov 26, 2018 08:30:12 pm
      Win 3-0 and three defenders are atop the MOTM voting.

      To quote the big fella, “I love clean sheets, man”.

      I voted for TAA purely because of the free kick.
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      Re: Watford 0-3 Liverpool: In game and Post Match discussion
      Reply #394: Nov 27, 2018 10:30:30 am
      There was an interesting article on Tompkins site (not written by him) that stated we still use the "gegnpress" just as much, but in different area's, which has led to a misconception that we've abandoned it, rather than just modified it.
      The stats and evidence were certainly impressive, and did lend weight to the argument, but I'm not 100% convinced that we press as much.

      As I said previously, I don't really see 2 different systems, I see many variations on the same basic principle of Klopp's 433, attempting to use space effectively and create overloads in certain area's where (I assume) a weakness has been identified.

      I don't see a 4231, because that is a rigid system, which does indeed employ a true "double pivot" of a holder/destroyer and a playmaker, which basically breaks down into a 6-4 ratio, rather, I'll go back to my "staggered 3" and the variations employed within the fluidity that it provides.

      Nice chat.
      You've given me a few things to think about :) which is the whole point of the forum ;)

      It's more a shift towards control in some conditions.
      If we viewed "Heavy Metal Football" as almost chaotic in it's appearance,
      we have definitely seen more definite controlled play in games where Klopp & the team have looked to grind out a result,
      nearly wear them down, before seeing the intensity ramp up.
      Subtle but important changes.
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      Re: Watford 0-3 Liverpool: In game and Post Match discussion
      Reply #395: Nov 27, 2018 10:45:15 am

      No, not really, just a factual post refuting yours.
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      Re: Watford 0-3 Liverpool: In game and Post Match discussion
      Reply #396: Nov 27, 2018 12:02:23 pm
      It wasn't a WUM attempt. It was a response to you calling people "numpties" and discrediting pundits on MOTD just to suit your argument. You can't debate, with you it's just insults and discredit. When all fails you start quoting Klopp and when what Klopp days doesn't fit you say managers aren't always honest. At the end of the day, you don't even attempt to understand other users opinions and never even think to consider they have a point worth debating. How many times have you ever conceded that another forum member was right and you had an altered perspective? I'm guessing it's zero and you call people "numpties" or "wum". Regarding Phillip Neville, I've no idea what he said but I'd imagine he was more accurate than you, as would I say the person you were insulting would be. There's only so long you can insult and not debate a point before people assume you don't know what you're talking about.

      It's not being a WUM when I said Henderson had the worst game of his season so far, Squawka, Mirror and numerous other sites rated him below 6/10 for the first time this season. What will you do to discredit this? Say Mirror has an agenda against Henderson?

      www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/news/liverpool-player-ratings-vs-watford-13638247.amp


      Sent off, two daft bookings. Failed to make incisive contributions from the middle of the pitch.


      So will you

      A) Agree
      B) Debate, provide counter argument with evidence
      C) Attempt to discredit and call me names

      Whooo! Rib's with the plus 7... bet the really irks him.  :lmao: :lmao: :lmao: Stick the fork in, His done  >:D
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      Re: Watford 0-3 Liverpool: In game and Post Match discussion
      Reply #397: Nov 27, 2018 12:05:49 pm
      It's more a shift towards control in some conditions.
      If we viewed "Heavy Metal Football" as almost chaotic in it's appearance,
      we have definitely seen more definite controlled play in games where Klopp & the team have looked to grind out a result,
      nearly wear them down, before seeing the intensity ramp up.
      Subtle but important changes.

      Agreed, it's almost as though Klopp has built his team from the front. back and is now focusing on control and solidity because he has the defensive players he wants in place.
      Perhaps we'll see a bit more backup for the forwards arriving in the future, so that they can rotate a bit more as well.
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      Re: Watford 0-3 Liverpool: In game and Post Match discussion
      Reply #398: Nov 27, 2018 12:35:33 pm
      It's more a shift towards control in some conditions.
      If we viewed "Heavy Metal Football" as almost chaotic in it's appearance,
      we have definitely seen more definite controlled play in games where Klopp & the team have looked to grind out a result,
      nearly wear them down, before seeing the intensity ramp up.
      Subtle but important changes.

      The Valencia of Rafa type...?
      Swab
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      Re: Watford 0-3 Liverpool: In game and Post Match discussion
      Reply #399: Nov 27, 2018 02:11:05 pm

      That's a nice comparison Shabs.
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      Re: Watford 0-3 Liverpool: In game and Post Match discussion
      Reply #400: Nov 27, 2018 10:39:05 pm

      If we ever see a full double-pivot employed then that's not far off.

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