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      Burnley 1-3 Liverpool: In game and Post Match discussion

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      Re: Burnley 1-3 Liverpool: In game and Post Match discussion
      Reply #630: Dec 06, 2018 02:24:29 pm
      Massive three points away from home after the craziness of Sunday. Thought the first half was similar to how we've played there before - possession and no penetration. The front three just couldn't hold on to the ball most of the time and most of the game was played in the middle third. Second half we seemed to quicken the pace a bit, and started to play a little better - used the width and half space more. In the end a well deserved victory and whilst it wasn't a superb performance throughout, you don't win 3-1 away in the Premiership playing terribly. We at least controlled most of the game, took our clearest chances and fortunately have a top class keeper to fall back on if necessary.

      Thought Keita had by far his most complete and best performance for us, did well defensively with a few blocks and tackles, and we finally saw the best example of what he can bring going forward - driving past people, opening up opportunities to pass or take a shot on himself. So important to commit defenders when they play deep as Burnley did. Can't wait for him to settle a bit more and find his way into the first XI, pocket battleship he is ;D

      Hopefully Joe's ankle doesn't keep him out for too long. Hated seeing him down after his injury history - fingers crossed for him.

      Overall, after a crazy weekend it was brilliant to grind out - in the end - a comfortable win away from home at a team we've struggled against in the past. Onwards and upwards!
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      Re: Burnley 1-3 Liverpool: In game and Post Match discussion
      Reply #631: Dec 06, 2018 02:32:30 pm
      Break through only came after substitution were made, it could be argued that the rotation failed...
      Not saying it did,I only saw the match from the 55 minute, and was watching it on a stream that kept buffing in and out, but that point could be argued...

      I don't think the rotation failed in that when the big players came on we were still in the game and went on to win it. But at 1-0 down, if the team had stayed the same i don't think we win the game.
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      Re: Burnley 1-3 Liverpool: In game and Post Match discussion
      Reply #632: Dec 06, 2018 02:37:48 pm
      I don't think the rotation failed in that when the big players came on we were still in the game and went on to win it. But at 1-0 down, if the team had stayed the same i don't think we win the game.

      In fairness it was 1-1 when they came on so I think that’s a mis-direct mate........we’d been comfortably the best team to that point whilst (unsurprisingly) not especially fluent.

      Only downside Gomez for me but that could’ve happened if he was playing CB just looked like he rolled his ankle under a challenge.
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      Re: Burnley 1-3 Liverpool: In game and Post Match discussion
      Reply #633: Dec 06, 2018 02:38:53 pm
      In fairness it was 1-1 when they came on so I think that’s a mis-direct mate........we’d been comfortably the best team to that point whilst (unsurprisingly) not especially fluent.

      Only downside Gomez for me but that could’ve happened if he was playing CB just looked like he rolled his ankle under a challenge.

      If at 1-1 the team stayed the same i don't think we win it either.

      This isn't a bad squad on its own but when you are holding it up against City's billions boys it's going to be tough and these 3 game weeks will hinder us a lot more than it will them.

      That's the only reason I'd have them as favourites for the title. They just have the never ending squad that we don't.
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      Re: Burnley 1-3 Liverpool: In game and Post Match discussion
      Reply #634: Dec 06, 2018 02:46:20 pm
      If at 1-1 the team stayed the same i don't think we win it either.

      This isn't a bad squad on its own but when you are holding it up against City's billions boys it's going to be tough and these 3 game weeks will hinder us a lot more than it will them.

      That's the only reason I'd have them as favourites for the title. They just have the never ending squad that we don't.

      Fair enough - I thought we lost a wee bit of a freak goal but were playing pretty well with a changed side.

      I think we still grind out a win but we’ll never know.

      Either way great result and valuable exercise.
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      Reply #635: Dec 06, 2018 02:58:03 pm
      What a match and reaction after their goal. MOTM Keita, Alisson and even Matip.

      Brilliant goals as well. Milner was good. We did not match their physical strength but we 'coped'.

      Hope that Gomez is fine!

      Keep us dreaming! YNWA
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      Reply #636: Dec 06, 2018 03:35:37 pm
      What a match and reaction after their goal. MOTM Keita, Alisson and even Matip.

      Brilliant goals as well. Milner was good. We did not match their physical strength but we 'coped'.

      Hope that Gomez is fine!

      Keep us dreaming! YNWA

      Did you go to the match ? Matip was anaemic at best especially first half and did a fairly good impression of  new born giraffe
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      Reply #637: Dec 06, 2018 03:47:14 pm
      Did you go to the match ? Matip was anaemic at best especially first half and did a fairly good impression of  new born giraffe

      I totally disagree! He made very good interceptions. He read the game well and won many headers. He lacks pace but was solid.
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      Reply #638: Dec 06, 2018 03:54:01 pm
      I totally disagree! He made very good interceptions. He read the game well and won many headers. He lacks pace but was solid.

      I agree.

      Was better than Virgil in first half - who was off it a bit (for him) in my opinion.
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      Re: Burnley 1-3 Liverpool: In game and Post Match discussion
      Reply #639: Dec 06, 2018 04:07:50 pm
      So do we know what the baldey said to jk at the end?
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      Reply #640: Dec 06, 2018 04:13:39 pm
      I agree.

      Was better than Virgil in first half - who was off it a bit (for him) in my opinion.

      Exactly!
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      Re: Burnley 1-3 Liverpool: In game and Post Match discussion
      Reply #641: Dec 06, 2018 04:17:52 pm
      No exaggeration, this is our biggest win of the season.

      There are moments throughout the season when it doesn't really matter how we play and it's not something to be worried or concerned about, we just have to get the points no matter what, and last night was one of those games.

      The pace City are setting is just insane and as soon as we drop points I feel the title race could be over. It's essential that we stay with them because sooner or later they WILL feel the pressure. Their win at Watford meant we had to get three points last night.

      Seeing the starting line up I was very worried in truth. Making 7 changes and going to a midweek game at turf moor in the cold and wet I wasn't confident. It doesn't matter what burnleys current form is, they always make it difficult because they just suck any life or fun out of football. They make the game incredibly boring which then makes it incredibly frustrating for a team like us who wants to play.

      The first 45 mins is probably the worst football I've seen this season from anyone. We weren't great by any means, but as mentioned above Burnley are a large part to blame in that.

      Second half starts and even though their goal was a bit of a shambles, it may have been a blessing in disguise because I felt we upped our game after that and went through the gears.

      We deservedly scored three good goals (especially the last) and came off the pitch victorious. It was a massive win that, absolutely huge, and jurgen and the boys should be very proud of themselves. It was essential we got the points and we did. Dare I say it, it was a typical champions-like win. We didn't play great no, but we went to a tough ground with a weakened team and still put three past them and came away with the points.

      Two special mentions. First to Alisson who could have done a lot better for their goal and if that had been either migs or Karius we would have all be going mental, but overall he had yet another solid display and his save at the end just before we finished the game off with our third was truly world class. He is worth every penny we paid for him he's incredible.

      The second is for naby Keita. I've spent a lot of time on this forum alone banging my drum saying this boy is the real deal and he will be a massive player for us. I'm not quite sure why he can't get into the team at the moment because once again I felt he showed that he is head and shoulders above any other midfielder we have. He's in a different league.

      Fantastic win lads, I'm absolutely buzzing. Call me Einstein but the secret is just keep winning. Now we move on to Bournemouth.
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      Re: Burnley 1-3 Liverpool: In game and Post Match discussion
      Reply #642: Dec 06, 2018 04:27:31 pm
      Questions for anyone wanting to answer (Please remember I only saw the game starting in the 55 minute; so this is no trick question) I am getting the feel here Burnley gave the back four a hard time, so questions:-...

      a)Do you feel that It was down to playing Milner,and Henderson together that invited more pressure on to the back four...?

      b)Or just as a whole we were weak in the midfield (Nothing to do with Henderson a Milner)

      c) Back four played poor...?

      Not had a chance to see a replay as yet
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      Reply #643: Dec 06, 2018 04:38:22 pm
      Questions for anyone wanting to answer (Please remember I only saw the game starting in the 55 minute; so this is no trick question) I am getting the feel here Burnley gave the back four a hard time, so questions:-...

      a)Do you feel that It was down to playing Milner,and Henderson together that invited more pressure on to the back four...?

      b)Or just as a whole we were weak in the midfield (Nothing to do with Henderson a Milner)

      c) Back four played poor...?

      Not had a chance to see a replay as yet


      They had one tactic which was to rough us up and we sort of coped with it but as witnessed by their first goal Trent could not deal with the lump who was too strong for him and unlike some of the comments on here I don't think Matip coped very well with the physicality of Ashley Barnes so was a relief when he went off.

      Just ale house tactics really.
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      Re: Burnley 1-3 Liverpool: In game and Post Match discussion
      Reply #644: Dec 06, 2018 04:43:27 pm
      Questions for anyone wanting to answer (Please remember I only saw the game starting in the 55 minute; so this is no trick question) I am getting the feel here Burnley gave the back four a hard time, so questions:-...

      a)Do you feel that It was down to playing Milner,and Henderson together that invited more pressure on to the back four...?

      b)Or just as a whole we were weak in the midfield (Nothing to do with Henderson a Milner)

      c) Back four played poor...?

      Not had a chance to see a replay as yet


      Making 7 changes to the line up will usually cause some sort on problems for any team in the world..

      City faced similar against West Ham after making changes to their complete back 4,midfield & strikers..

      So answer to your question, it had nothing to do with playing Henderson,Milner together, the latter scored the equaliser & let’s not forget that Henderson & Milner were part of the midfield that had taken us to 2 European finals & played teams off the park last season..

      So any change in our play was purely down to integrating players to the team..
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      Reply #645: Dec 06, 2018 07:17:14 pm
      .So answer to your question, it had nothing to do with playing Henderson,Milner together, the latter scored the equaliser & let’s not forget that Henderson & Milner were part of the midfield that had taken us to 2 European finals & played teams off the park last season..

      Shabs as I said it was not a trick question, nor am I following an agenda...
      And yes as you so rightly pointed out both Henderson and Milner took us to two European final... Did see the equalizer and thier goal but got the feeling that prior to thier first goal plenty had occurred and just wanted peoples thoughts on it

      Thanks for yours
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      Re: Burnley 1-3 Liverpool: In game and Post Match discussion
      Reply #646: Dec 06, 2018 07:17:54 pm
      They had one tactic which was to rough us up and we sort of coped with it but as witnessed by their first goal Trent could not deal with the lump who was too strong for him and unlike some of the comments on here I don't think Matip coped very well with the physicality of Ashley Barnes so was a relief when he went off.

      Just ale house tactics really.

      Thanks HScRed1
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      Re: Burnley 1-3 Liverpool: In game and Post Match discussion
      Reply #647: Dec 06, 2018 08:02:15 pm
      Joe out until at least Feb., according to official site .
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      Re: Burnley 1-3 Liverpool: In game and Post Match discussion
      Reply #648: Dec 06, 2018 08:40:36 pm
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      Was tricky because he was going one way and the Burnley player was right in front and had flick at the ball (but missed it) hence the first touch, he did then get his hands On the ball but didn’t quite gather it and had it kicked out of his mitts. I wouldn’t put the blame on him, in truth if TAA has stepped up the lad blocking his view would have been off side

      If you want someone to blame, the lino is the one responsible, because that goal should have been ruled out for offside. VAR would have done that, no sweat. Could have cost us two or more points.

      Usual kick and rush fare in that rotting dump, hasn't seen a lick of paint in years. Apparantly, I hear some of the seats are still made of wood. For some reason, the fixture list always seems to send us there around this time of year, when the weather is schiedt, our resources are stretched, and the game is awful to watch, which it was again, for at least an hour. With no goal scored by us before half time in any of the past 7 visits to Burnley, I wasn't expecting a goalfest this time either, which didn't materialise. Funny though that none of our past 5 trips there have been shown live by the broadcasters. Both of them love showing our away games, but obviously they must hate the kip as much as I do. So it's off to the pub to watch the game live then, with no sound, no commentary, and blaring music in the background.

      No surprise then that the tackles were flying in, and that someone was going to come off worst. Losing Joe is a huge blow, not in the short term perhaps, but we have big games coming up and his cb partnership will now have to be broken up.

      Not much more to say really until the ghost goal was scored, when an already difficult task was made twice as hard. I could see the headlines, and the posts here about the result, without even having to look at them, but credit to the lads and Jürgen, within 15 minutes we had repaired the damage. With all the changes made though, just seeing the game out was not really an option, so we looked for more goals and should have scored more. Then that corner came in, of course we don't put players on posts for corners, so there was mayhem in the box. Eventually the ball was sent towards the top corner and Alisson somehow saved the day. That is a world class match winning save and you will seriously struggle to see a better timed one for us this season. Then he set up the insurance goal and finally we could take a well earned breather. It's the first time we've come from behind to win in 8 months, so this was a big one as we had to dig deep to get it.

      Last year, we would fly out of the blocks and destroy the opposition in the first half. This year, we're saving all our firepower up for the second half, with only three first half goals in the league since beating Southampton. But we are managing games well, so the 10 minute brainfades that followed goals last year are not happening anymore. The goal at Chelsea is still the only goal against us in the first half this season.

      So we're halfway to equalling the unbeaten record from 1988, and on course to go top of the league again at the weekend. Even if it's just for a few hours, it will give City something to think about, and remind the fruitcakes in the media who dismiss the title race as a City cakewalk, that there's plenty more football to be played before anything is decided in this title race.
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      Re: Burnley 1-3 Liverpool: In game and Post Match discussion
      Reply #649: Dec 06, 2018 08:50:40 pm
      I totally disagree! He made very good interceptions. He read the game well and won many headers. He lacks pace but was solid.

      He won headers ? Would be a travesty if he didn't at 6ft5 whatever he is . His distribution was awful and believe me there is a reason we got him on a free gone backwards ever since he came
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      Re: Burnley 1-3 Liverpool: In game and Post Match discussion
      Reply #650: Dec 06, 2018 08:53:13 pm
      I agree.

      Was better than Virgil in first half - who was off it a bit (for him) in my opinion.

      VVD might not of been on it but was still ahead of Matip My Lord watch it again
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      Reply #651: Dec 06, 2018 08:57:31 pm
      VVD might not of been on it but was still ahead of Matip My Lord watch it again

      It’s just a view fella. I thought he had a decent game. No he doesn’t visually inspire confidence the way he Lopez but I thought he was good.

      Virgil was very poor in the first half for me - has had a few ropier spells recently -and I’m a huge fan.

      You don’t rate Joel that’s cool. I’m not a huge fan but he can do a job.

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      Re: Burnley 1-3 Liverpool: In game and Post Match discussion
      Reply #652: Dec 06, 2018 09:00:11 pm
      It’s just a view fella. I thought he had a decent game. No he doesn’t visually inspire confidence the way he Lopez but I thought he was good.

      Virgil was very poor in the first half for me - has had a few ropier spells recently -and I’m a huge fan.

      You don’t rate Joel that’s cool. I’m not a huge fan but he can do a job.

      The fact that he was there probably had an impact on him looks so much better when he has Joe next to him
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      Re: Burnley 1-3 Liverpool: In game and Post Match discussion
      Reply #653: Dec 06, 2018 09:05:23 pm
      The fact that he was there probably had an impact on him looks so much better when he has Joe next to him

      I think Virgil’s biggest enemy is complacency - it really is that easy for him at times.

      It’s all but eliminated from his game (I saw him do it at Celtic a few times) but there’s just been a few wee moments since the Arsenal game for me.

      Only a detour to very very very good from exceptional like, hardly a crisis. In fairness it probably does coincide with a bit more rotation from the gaffer.
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      Re: Burnley 1-3 Liverpool: In game and Post Match discussion
      Reply #654: Dec 06, 2018 10:02:00 pm
      I think Virgil’s biggest enemy is complacency - it really is that easy for him at times.

      It’s all but eliminated from his game (I saw him do it at Celtic a few times) but there’s just been a few wee moments since the Arsenal game for me.

      Only a detour to very very very good from exceptional like, hardly a crisis. In fairness it probably does coincide with a bit more rotation from the gaffer.

      Think Koeman alluded to that didn't he so laid back it's untrue but such a good footballer some crossfield balls he played were quality . Think he is the type of CB who needs familiarity alongside him though
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      Re: Burnley 1-3 Liverpool: In game and Post Match discussion
      Reply #655: Dec 06, 2018 10:14:06 pm
      Hasn't Virgil got two assists now in two games?
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      Reply #656: Dec 06, 2018 10:20:29 pm
      Hasn't Virgil got two assists now in two games?

      Yup.

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      Reply #657: Dec 07, 2018 03:09:50 am
      Did you go to the match ? Matip was anaemic at best especially first half and did a fairly good impression of  new born giraffe

      Totally agree, was calling for him never to play for us again after the 1st half, he gave away the ball so many times when under no pressure and then he stood there flat footed and watched the Burnley fella poke that goal home. No reactions at all till it was in the back of the net.

      Anyways get the f**k in...another 3 points.

      I'm of the belief now that even if the other Team score, it's not going to be long till we get that goal back. Loving that feeling. Doesn't mean I wasn't cursing and swearing until we equalized though.  :angel:

      Gutted for Joe and for us. Get well soon Joe.
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      Reply #658: Dec 07, 2018 10:12:40 am
      A very big risk taken by Jürgen but a risk i thought was justified due to the amount of games we have coming up over the festive period. It nearly backfired in the end but at least we had the big guns on standby to pull us out of the sh*t. What this game did prove was that we still don't have the squad depth to sustain an assault on all four fronts for an entire Season.

      Matip and Moreno looked out of their depth against a very dishevelled Burnley side. The biggest disappointment of the night was the injury to Joe Gomez, out for up to 6 weeks and a big dent in the defensive armour we have built over the last few months. The only issue i have with the team selection of Klopp is when he moves Gomez out of central defence and plays him at right back. I'm not saying he wouldn't have got the injury had he been playing in his usual position. It has taken a long time to build this solid defensive unit and they are still learning to play together and build solid foundations. Gomez and van Dijk are our strongest centre back pairing by a country mile, there is nobody else that comes even close. Why does Klopp do this? It annoys me greatly and is disruptive to the formative development of our defensive unit.  :mad:

      Other than that i am happy with how our Season is going so far, very happy. Keita looked good and Shaqiri is proving to be a little gem, he thinks quickly and is keen to go forward at every given opportunity. Thought Becker had a good game too, so refreshing to have a man between the sticks who is commanding. That quick throw out for the Shaqiri goal, class. Cracking goal from Milner too, mister reliable.

      Onwards to Bournemouth.
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      Re: Burnley 1-3 Liverpool: In game and Post Match discussion
      Reply #659: Dec 07, 2018 01:03:53 pm
      Hasn't Virgil got two assists now in two games?
      VvD can be the Andy Carroll of the squad but with actual foot skills

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