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      Re: Champions League: Round of 16
      Reply #150: Dec 18, 2018 01:05:01 am
      Along with Porto, think it’s the easiest tie we could have asked for. They are having a very mixed season.
      Couple of my mates are German and support Bayern and in the summer they were saying how badly they need to address their defence, it’s slow and vulnerable. They’ve got in general quite an aging squad too. I wanted Madrid or Barca but will happily take Bayern. They are past their best this season.
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      Re: Champions League: Round of 16
      Reply #151: Dec 18, 2018 01:13:48 am
      Along with Porto, think it’s the easiest tie we could have asked for. They are having a very mixed season.
      Couple of my mates are German and support Bayern and in the summer they were saying how badly they need to address their defence, it’s slow and vulnerable. They’ve got in general quite an aging squad too. I wanted Madrid or Barca but will happily take Bayern. They are past their best this season.

      The times I’ve seen Hummels and Boateng play, they’ve been horrendous. Hummels has the pace and mobility of a handicapped sloth. Boateng looks all over the place.

      They play a fairly high line so Mo and Mané against Hummels should surely play in to our favour with the space left behind.

      Glad our German intel has said the same. Makes me feel a bit better about our chances which were already high, IMO.

      The worry is they could knock a couple in the first leg with no Virgil and Lewandowski on fire at the moment.

      Still very happy. Confident we’ll progress. Expecting a hiccup or two along the way but a comfortable passage through to the QFs.
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      Re: Champions League: Round of 16
      Reply #152: Dec 18, 2018 02:58:16 am
      it will be 60 years since Shankly to over at Anfield next year it would be nice to celebrate that with a league and CL win I don't think I am being greedy.



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      Re: Champions League: Round of 16
      Reply #153: Dec 18, 2018 08:13:51 am
      First of all, thanks to all of you for welcoming me :)

      I think your main problem will be dealing with the intensity & the gegenpress that Klopp likes to utilise, 

      Most Liverpool fans are very happy with the draw and without being disrespectful to BM, feared facing BvB more, not that we indeed fear anyone

      Yes, the gegenpress is our biggest problem. It always was. Already at the time Klopp was BVB Coach, we couldn't handle it really and this season? Just watch our matches against BVB (2:3) and Ajax (1:1 and 3:3). We're overwhelmed with this kind of play and have a lot of problems. Next thing is, we don't have the top fitness anymore. In the last couple of years in my opinion we always were one of the fittest teams in europe. No matter if our Coach was van Gaal, Heynckes or Pep. Except Ancelotti (funny story that his Fitness Coach is chain smoker and our players said that they don't train enough and do some Training sessions by themselves, cause they feeled not fit enough) and except Kovac. In the matches against BVB and Ajax you could see, that we were not on a high intense level as soon as we reached the ~70. minute. Yes, the last Match against Ajax we still turned around to 2:3 (and should have won it, cause the last Ajax Goal was offside), but it was a complete crazy match and we saw, that Ajax had the better fitness and thinkin about you, Jesus. One of the fascinating things about you is, that you never become tired. Even in the Man City matches last CL season, nothing. You just kept going on and on, just awesome. A german reporter wrote after your United match on sunday "Every Liverpool match is a celebration at this time, every single one." Btw., in my opinion Pep will never win the CL again if he never learns that his defence should not stand so far at the top. The reason, why Bayern never got into the final with him. Counter-attacks killed us. Anyway.

      A few words about Dortmund: Yes, this season you have to fear them more than us. With Favre they have a great manager. One of the best, we ever had in the league and whereever he was, he was successful. Zürich, Borussia Mönchengladbach, Hertha BSC Berlin, Nizza and now BVB, Favre is a genius. Especially his in game coaching is fantastic. Just one of the things, that makes him a better manager than Kovac. And Dortmund just have a brillant Team. Delaney, who btw. always dreamed about playing in the premier league and last season was close to an Everton move, and Axel Witsel are an awesome central midfield. In the front I don't have to say anything to Marco Reus I think, but just look at Jadon Sancho. I wait for a Premier League Team to buy him for 80 Million or something like that in 1 or 2 years. Christian Pulisic, here in Germany are a lot of rumours that Chelsea definitely wants him, no matter how much he will cost them. Paco Alcacer, not good in Barcelona, but now in Dortmund no words needed. His first 10 Goals took him exactly 10 shots. Yes, really. And Favre often brings him in the second half, because most of the goals he scored, he did in the second half. Everytime he comes in, he scores, it's unbelieveable. And Mario Götze. After Klopp there were Tuchel, Bosz, Stöger. 3 Managers and nobody made it, to get Götze to the level he was a few years ago at his first time in Dortmund and I think he never will be (Götze has a metabolic disease, which is also the reason why he sometimes seems a little bit to thick and is not so powerful and maneuverable anymore), but Favre thought what can I do to help him and finally found a position and a way to play that Götze perfect fits in and plays in a way he hasn't for a long, long time.

      So, Dortmund has an amazing offensive and midfield, but the defence is also their problem. Diallo (22), Akanji (23), Hakimi (20) are in the first 11. All of them have the potential to become worldclass players, but now they are too young to beat teams like you, Barcelona, PSG for example.

      Well, if you face Dortmund in the next rounds, you already have a little assessment ;)
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      Re: Champions League: Round of 16
      Reply #154: Dec 18, 2018 06:11:05 pm
      First of all, thanks to all of you for welcoming me :)

      Yes, the gegenpress is our biggest problem. It always was. Already at the time Klopp was BVB Coach, we couldn't handle it really and this season? Just watch our matches against BVB (2:3) and Ajax (1:1 and 3:3). We're overwhelmed with this kind of play and have a lot of problems. Next thing is, we don't have the top fitness anymore. In the last couple of years in my opinion we always were one of the fittest teams in europe. No matter if our Coach was van Gaal, Heynckes or Pep. Except Ancelotti (funny story that his Fitness Coach is chain smoker and our players said that they don't train enough and do some Training sessions by themselves, cause they feeled not fit enough) and except Kovac. In the matches against BVB and Ajax you could see, that we were not on a high intense level as soon as we reached the ~70. minute. Yes, the last Match against Ajax we still turned around to 2:3 (and should have won it, cause the last Ajax Goal was offside), but it was a complete crazy match and we saw, that Ajax had the better fitness and thinkin about you, Jesus. One of the fascinating things about you is, that you never become tired. Even in the Man City matches last CL season, nothing. You just kept going on and on, just awesome. A german reporter wrote after your United match on sunday "Every Liverpool match is a celebration at this time, every single one." Btw., in my opinion Pep will never win the CL again if he never learns that his defence should not stand so far at the top. The reason, why Bayern never got into the final with him. Counter-attacks killed us. Anyway.

      A few words about Dortmund: Yes, this season you have to fear them more than us. With Favre they have a great manager. One of the best, we ever had in the league and whereever he was, he was successful. Zürich, Borussia Mönchengladbach, Hertha BSC Berlin, Nizza and now BVB, Favre is a genius. Especially his in game coaching is fantastic. Just one of the things, that makes him a better manager than Kovac. And Dortmund just have a brillant Team. Delaney, who btw. always dreamed about playing in the premier league and last season was close to an Everton move, and Axel Witsel are an awesome central midfield. In the front I don't have to say anything to Marco Reus I think, but just look at Jadon Sancho. I wait for a Premier League Team to buy him for 80 Million or something like that in 1 or 2 years. Christian Pulisic, here in Germany are a lot of rumours that Chelsea definitely wants him, no matter how much he will cost them. Paco Alcacer, not good in Barcelona, but now in Dortmund no words needed. His first 10 Goals took him exactly 10 shots. Yes, really. And Favre often brings him in the second half, because most of the goals he scored, he did in the second half. Everytime he comes in, he scores, it's unbelieveable. And Mario Götze. After Klopp there were Tuchel, Bosz, Stöger. 3 Managers and nobody made it, to get Götze to the level he was a few years ago at his first time in Dortmund and I think he never will be (Götze has a metabolic disease, which is also the reason why he sometimes seems a little bit to thick and is not so powerful and maneuverable anymore), but Favre thought what can I do to help him and finally found a position and a way to play that Götze perfect fits in and plays in a way he hasn't for a long, long time.

      So, Dortmund has an amazing offensive and midfield, but the defence is also their problem. Diallo (22), Akanji (23), Hakimi (20) are in the first 11. All of them have the potential to become worldclass players, but now they are too young to beat teams like you, Barcelona, PSG for example.

      Well, if you face Dortmund in the next rounds, you already have a little assessment ;)


      more great insight - thank you
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      Re: Champions League: Round of 16
      Reply #155: Dec 18, 2018 06:15:19 pm
      First of all, thanks to all of you for welcoming me :)

      Yes, the gegenpress is our biggest problem. It always was. Already at the time Klopp was BVB Coach, we couldn't handle it really and this season? Just watch our matches against BVB (2:3) and Ajax (1:1 and 3:3). We're overwhelmed with this kind of play and have a lot of problems. Next thing is, we don't have the top fitness anymore. In the last couple of years in my opinion we always were one of the fittest teams in europe. No matter if our Coach was van Gaal, Heynckes or Pep. Except Ancelotti (funny story that his Fitness Coach is chain smoker and our players said that they don't train enough and do some Training sessions by themselves, cause they feeled not fit enough) and except Kovac. In the matches against BVB and Ajax you could see, that we were not on a high intense level as soon as we reached the ~70. minute. Yes, the last Match against Ajax we still turned around to 2:3 (and should have won it, cause the last Ajax Goal was offside), but it was a complete crazy match and we saw, that Ajax had the better fitness and thinkin about you, Jesus. One of the fascinating things about you is, that you never become tired. Even in the Man City matches last CL season, nothing. You just kept going on and on, just awesome. A german reporter wrote after your United match on sunday "Every Liverpool match is a celebration at this time, every single one." Btw., in my opinion Pep will never win the CL again if he never learns that his defence should not stand so far at the top. The reason, why Bayern never got into the final with him. Counter-attacks killed us. Anyway.

      A few words about Dortmund: Yes, this season you have to fear them more than us. With Favre they have a great manager. One of the best, we ever had in the league and whereever he was, he was successful. Zürich, Borussia Mönchengladbach, Hertha BSC Berlin, Nizza and now BVB, Favre is a genius. Especially his in game coaching is fantastic. Just one of the things, that makes him a better manager than Kovac. And Dortmund just have a brillant Team. Delaney, who btw. always dreamed about playing in the premier league and last season was close to an Everton move, and Axel Witsel are an awesome central midfield. In the front I don't have to say anything to Marco Reus I think, but just look at Jadon Sancho. I wait for a Premier League Team to buy him for 80 Million or something like that in 1 or 2 years. Christian Pulisic, here in Germany are a lot of rumours that Chelsea definitely wants him, no matter how much he will cost them. Paco Alcacer, not good in Barcelona, but now in Dortmund no words needed. His first 10 Goals took him exactly 10 shots. Yes, really. And Favre often brings him in the second half, because most of the goals he scored, he did in the second half. Everytime he comes in, he scores, it's unbelieveable. And Mario Götze. After Klopp there were Tuchel, Bosz, Stöger. 3 Managers and nobody made it, to get Götze to the level he was a few years ago at his first time in Dortmund and I think he never will be (Götze has a metabolic disease, which is also the reason why he sometimes seems a little bit to thick and is not so powerful and maneuverable anymore), but Favre thought what can I do to help him and finally found a position and a way to play that Götze perfect fits in and plays in a way he hasn't for a long, long time.

      So, Dortmund has an amazing offensive and midfield, but the defence is also their problem. Diallo (22), Akanji (23), Hakimi (20) are in the first 11. All of them have the potential to become worldclass players, but now they are too young to beat teams like you, Barcelona, PSG for example.

      Well, if you face Dortmund in the next rounds, you already have a little assessment ;)

      Any chance the board might be tempted to take a risk on Jose now he’s “free” mate?
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      Re: Champions League: Round of 16
      Reply #156: Dec 18, 2018 06:31:33 pm
      They all have to learn the hard way don’t they.......

      https://twitter.com/anfieldedition/status/1075055665238982657?s=21
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      Re: Champions League: Round of 16
      Reply #157: Dec 18, 2018 06:34:58 pm

      He’s obviously hasn’t watched us play for a while - can’t wait for this
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      Re: Champions League: Round of 16
      Reply #158: Dec 18, 2018 06:38:11 pm
      He has a point. We have been vulnerable in the CL this season, particularly away from home.

      Saying that, he should be worried about his own team’s vulnerabilities as opposed to ours.
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      Re: Champions League: Round of 16
      Reply #159: Dec 18, 2018 06:47:49 pm
      He has a point. We have been vulnerable in the CL this season, particularly away from home.

      Saying that, he should be worried about his own team’s vulnerabilities as opposed to ours.

      We’re in great nick.

      Napoli and PSG were better performances than either of the 7-0 in the  group stages last season.

      They’ll see soon enough.
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      Re: Champions League: Round of 16
      Reply #160: Dec 20, 2018 12:09:46 am
      Bayern is strong. They made it through the group stage with much ease while we came out of a a very tough group with napoli and psg, not forgetting we have to put up with those bowling pins of psg and some shady refeering. We were badly wounded along the way with some below par performances and poor results. But that's the past.

      Over the years, i do notice that whoever barely made it out of a tough group stage is like a wounded tiger and they will rise to the occassion thereon and LFC is gonna be a very dangerous opponent to face. We have faced one of the best in psg and napoli and we are ready to face anyone. Bayern is to be respected but not feared and for that matter if it is barca we will still have to face them and think of a way to beat them.
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      Re: Champions League: Round of 16
      Reply #161: Dec 20, 2018 08:27:19 am
      He’s obviously hasn’t watched us play for a while - can’t wait for this
      VVD is suspended remember.
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      Re: Champions League: Round of 16
      Reply #162: Dec 20, 2018 12:10:07 pm
      Bayern is strong. They made it through the group stage with much ease while we came out of a a very tough group with napoli and psg, not forgetting we have to put up with those bowling pins of psg and some shady refeering. We were badly wounded along the way with some below par performances and poor results. But that's the past.

      Over the years, i do notice that whoever barely made it out of a tough group stage is like a wounded tiger and they will rise to the occassion thereon and LFC is gonna be a very dangerous opponent to face. We have faced one of the best in psg and napoli and we are ready to face anyone. Bayern is to be respected but not feared and for that matter if it is barca we will still have to face them and think of a way to beat them.

      Bayern had one of the easiest groups whilst we, along with Spurs, had one of the toughest so I don't think there is much to read into that.
      Over 2 legs I really fancy us to beat them, just a shame that we could have the home match as the second leg, but hopefully we'll have  enough of a cushion after the first leg to see us through.




      So we'll only have Gomez, Lovren and Matip to chose from then, oh God, we're screwed!! Come on mate we are not a one man team any more, we do have other excellent defenders besides VVD. Plus that first leg is at home where we'll be on the front foot, if it had been the first leg away without VVD I'd be a tiny bit more nervous.
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      Re: Champions League: Round of 16
      Reply #163: Dec 20, 2018 12:16:20 pm
      Bayern had one of the easiest groups whilst we, along with Spurs, had one of the toughest so I don't think there is much to read into that.
      Over 2 legs I really fancy us to beat them, just a shame that we could have the home match as the second leg, but hopefully we'll have  enough of a cushion after the first leg to see us through.



      So we'll only have Gomez, Lovren and Matip to chose from then, oh God, we're screwed!! Come on mate we are not a one man team any more, we do have other excellent defenders besides VVD. Plus that first leg is at home where we'll be on the front foot, if it had been the first leg away without VVD I'd be a tiny bit more nervous.
      i think we'll win.. but this is going to be hard. Harder than Napoli but easier than PSG.
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      Re: Champions League: Round of 16
      Reply #164: Dec 20, 2018 03:44:08 pm
      Even without VVD, we've the world's best defender. A great ball playing CB.
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      Re: Champions League: Round of 16
      Reply #165: Dec 21, 2018 06:53:49 pm
      it will be 60 years since Shankly to over at Anfield next year it would be nice to celebrate that with a league and CL win I don't think I am being greedy.

      It would.
      What a fitting tribute to the Great Man himself.
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      Re: Champions League: Round of 16
      Reply #166: Dec 23, 2018 07:08:59 pm
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      You definitely have to watch out for Lewandowski, Müller, Coman, maybe Gnabry and the fact that we won a lot matches, nobody believe we could do at this point or just let it be a match like the United matches 2010. Somehow we won 2:1 in Munich and at old trafford we were down 3:0. After 90 minutes it was 3:2 and we were through the next round.

      Remember it well. Great night it was, for Bayern and Liverpool fans.

      Kovac was a strange choice to go and win the 7th Bundesliga in a row. Most new trainers struggle at the start of a new job, but they don't get a lot if time at Bayern. Rummenigge will keep him for now, until it looks like the team won't qualify for the European Cup. And the team looks like it will qualify, so Kovac will stay in the job.

      We are not used to VAR yet, so its still new to us, but we will have it so that all the big decisions are right. Bayern are at home in the second leg, so I expect most neutrals think they will qualify, but I don't know which team will win, it's really  impossible to say at this time.

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