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      Ki-Jana Hoever

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      king kenny
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      Re: Ki-Jana Hoever
      Reply #30: Jan 07, 2019 11:36:53 pm
      Don't need the cup.

      Me and Brian78 have him pencilled in for the Brighton game. ;D

      Hoever chooses him to start good on em!  LOL!
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      Re: Ki-Jana Hoever
      Reply #31: Jan 08, 2019 03:45:23 am
      Extremely promising this boy.
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      Re: Ki-Jana Hoever
      Reply #32: Jan 08, 2019 09:16:35 am
      Promising debut for such a young lad in such a mature position but he's got years of loans and hard work ahead and all the pitfalls that can fell these young players.

      Good luck lad. 
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      Re: Ki-Jana Hoever
      Reply #33: Jan 08, 2019 09:22:26 am
      How he develops to become a first team regular must be a nightmare for the coaching staff. He is clearly talented enough now how do you get him through these next 3 or 4 years when he will still be only 20.
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      Re: Ki-Jana Hoever
      Reply #34: Jan 08, 2019 09:30:17 am
      He should definitely be back up to TAA at RB until he develops physically to be a CB.

      As good a senior debut as I've seen from a kid.
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      Reply #35: Jan 08, 2019 09:32:10 am
      Very important match for the youngster, but will still need time to progress accordingly.
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      Re: Ki-Jana Hoever
      Reply #36: Jan 08, 2019 09:47:27 am
      After that display I would say that he could probably start to play a few games here and there for us . Rooney started at more or less the same age didn't he?
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      Re: Ki-Jana Hoever
      Reply #37: Jan 08, 2019 12:56:12 pm
      After that display I would say that he could probably start to play a few games here and there for us . Rooney started at more or less the same age didn't he?
      Big difference Mate , Rooney was not a CB, any mistakes he made were less costly If we are uncatchable  the last two or three games start him by all means
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      Reply #38: Jan 08, 2019 01:03:33 pm
      Big difference Mate , Rooney was not a CB, any mistakes he made were less costly If we are uncatchable  the last two or three games start him by all means

      If he gets any more starts it will be as a RB assuming we have no CB injury crisis.
      He will be introduced slowly like Gomez.

      He even played like a full back last night in the CB position.
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      Re: Ki-Jana Hoever
      Reply #39: Jan 08, 2019 01:08:54 pm
      He must have been thrilled to get his first game and he like the other two lads Camacho and Curtis Jones did really well.
      At 16 he played in a position that really does require a great deal of experience as well as strength and he has neither yet but he still put in a great performance. The only good thing last night was to see our next generation doing so well in a difficult game
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      Re: Ki-Jana Hoever
      Reply #40: Jan 08, 2019 01:12:39 pm
      https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=4IFhBK6lZqs

      Compare his passing out from the back to Lovren hoofing it upfield.
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      Reply #41: Jan 08, 2019 01:14:46 pm
      Big difference Mate , Rooney was not a CB, any mistakes he made were less costly If we are uncatchable  the last two or three games start him by all means

      He is RB isn't he? I agree that CB would be far too risky, but as RB against lesser opponents I'd give him a few minutes here and there.
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      Reply #42: Jan 08, 2019 01:14:55 pm
      Looked far too good to be a full-back.

      Good debut. Not without errors, which is fine. Great to see our Academy is still doing the business.
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      Reply #43: Jan 08, 2019 01:17:00 pm
      Looked far too good to be a full-back.

      Good debut. Not without errors, which is fine. Great to see our Academy is still doing the business.

      What do you mean looked too good to be a full back?
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      Reply #44: Jan 08, 2019 01:20:26 pm
      What do you mean looked too good to be a full back?

      Similar to TAA, when you have an aura of class about you it almost feels wasted in defence. Watching him move the ball past about 4 Wolves players was impressive.

      I'm no coach though so f**k knows.
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      Re: Ki-Jana Hoever
      Reply #45: Jan 08, 2019 08:16:44 pm
      Looked far too good to be a full-back.

      Good debut. Not without errors, which is fine. Great to see our Academy is still doing the business.

      Yep, I can see him as a holding midfielder in a few years time.
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      Re: Ki-Jana Hoever
      Reply #46: Jan 09, 2019 08:14:02 pm
      He's still too young and slightly built to be starting games for us. He looks a talented boy, but in shoulder to shoulder contests with the grown men he was playing against the other night it was a huge mismatch. If he was a forward it might be worth the risk, but you can't have a skinny wee kid playing in your back 4 at PL/CL level - he'd get eaten alive.

      In a year or 2 when he fills out he might be a great option for us, but we're kidding ourselves if we think he is ready for first team football this season.
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      Re: Ki-Jana Hoever
      Reply #47: Jan 09, 2019 08:33:54 pm
      A lot of CB's start life at full back he isn't physically strong enough to play regularly at CB but on the bench and time at FB why not especially at Anfield when the game is all but over
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      Re: Ki-Jana Hoever
      Reply #48: Jan 10, 2019 04:14:17 pm
      Good article by Pearce today detailing how he was scouted by Barry Hunter, his family given the Royal treatment on a tour of Kirkby and Anfield which convinced them that we were the right place for his development. Since he wasn't old enough to sign a pro deal in Holland, he only cost the club 100,000 Euros. He turns 17 next week and is set to sign a pro deal then. Now he gets 145 a week. He lives with a local family and his parents come over every weekend.
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      Reply #49: Jan 10, 2019 06:10:06 pm
      Good article by Pearce today detailing how he was scouted by Barry Hunter, his family given the Royal treatment on a tour of Kirkby and Anfield which convinced them that we were the right place for his development. Since he wasn't old enough to sign a pro deal in Holland, he only cost the club 100,000 Euros. He turns 17 next week and is set to sign a pro deal then. Now he gets 145 a week. He lives with a local family and his parents come over every weekend.


      Not a dig at Liverpool because you’ve got to play the game but this is a lot of what is wrong with football these days. This lad should be playing and developing in his homeland where a club there can benefit from his talents and then hopefully make a few €s. That he can be snatched away by one of the richest football clubs in the world at 16 for peanuts is wrong
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      Reply #50: Jan 10, 2019 06:42:07 pm

      Not a dig at Liverpool because you’ve got to play the game but this is a lot of what is wrong with football these days. This lad should be playing and developing in his homeland where a club there can benefit from his talents and then hopefully make a few €s. That he can be snatched away by one of the richest football clubs in the world at 16 for peanuts is wrong

      I actually agree with this. I think Hoever will develop slower here as he will probably be playing less first team action.
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      Re: Ki-Jana Hoever
      Reply #51: Jan 10, 2019 07:13:25 pm
      Full back for now. VVD long term replacement in the future.

      No pressure!
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      Reply #52: Jan 10, 2019 07:20:26 pm
      I actually agree with this. I think Hoever will develop slower here as he will probably be playing less first team action.
       

      And yet he,his family, advisers thought moving to Liverpool would be better for him what would they know?
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      Reply #53: Jan 10, 2019 07:27:53 pm
       

      And yet he,his family, advisers thought moving to Liverpool would be better for him what would they know?

      Well, there is more probability of playing week in, week out between the ages of 17-20 at a lesser league or lesser club at a big league than you would at a big club.

      Imo, As good as a talent he is, to really progress, he will need to play regular first team football. I think Ajax would have been perfect for him than coming here.... on paper of course.
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      Reply #54: Jan 10, 2019 07:35:58 pm
      Maybe but he would not be a Liverpool player and i really could give a flying f**k about how a kid progresses at another club.He wanted to move here good enough for me.
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      Reply #55: Jan 10, 2019 07:45:05 pm
      I think it’s far too early to suggest that he’s going to be world class one day. He obviously has buckets of potential though. I find it difficult to look too far ahead when we’ve seen the likes of Flanagan, Robinson and Wisdom in recent years who all shown promise early on in their Liverpool careers. We’ll see how he fares in the odd game here and there over the next year or so.
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      Reply #56: Jan 10, 2019 08:53:15 pm
      I think it’s far too early to suggest that he’s going to be world class one day. He obviously has buckets of potential though. I find it difficult to look too far ahead when we’ve seen the likes of Flanagan, Robinson and Wisdom in recent years who all shown promise early on in their Liverpool careers. We’ll see how he fares in the odd game here and there over the next year or so.

      Wisdom was doing great and then Brendan took him off at half time in the Derby and it seemed to shatter him. He has someone like Trent to really help him having been through it himself
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      Re: Ki-Jana Hoever
      Reply #57: Jan 10, 2019 09:28:40 pm
      Young lad has a long way to go'... But the initial signs are looking good
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      Reply #58: Jan 10, 2019 09:31:46 pm
      He is RB isn't he? I agree that CB would be far too risky, but as RB against lesser opponents I'd give him a few minutes here and there.
      not against some game time hear and there in games that we have put to bed, but not starting him against Brighton
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      Reply #59: Jan 10, 2019 09:41:11 pm
      Well, there is more probability of playing week in, week out between the ages of 17-20 at a lesser league or lesser club at a big league than you would at a big club.

      Imo, As good as a talent he is, to really progress, he will need to play regular first team football. I think Ajax would have been perfect for him than coming here.... on paper of course.
      Ajax is one of the very best clubs in Europe to learn to play football, coming away from there you can play in almost any position, Gullit called it "Total Football". You learn to play in all areas of the pitch not just your own, you become a more rounded player...

      I am all for buying him, but we should have loaned him back for two year or so to let him develop

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