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      waltonl4
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      Re: Ki-Jana Hoever
      Reply #60: Jan 10, 2019 10:19:57 pm
      I actually agree with this. I think Hoever will develop slower here as he will probably be playing less first team action.

      So do you think we would have had a George Best if he had stayed at home ?.
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      Reply #61: Jan 11, 2019 03:25:03 pm
      So do you think we would have had a George Best if he had stayed at home ?.

      As I mentioned before, there is more likelihood of him playing first team games at Ajax and developing quicker between the ages of 17-20.
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      Reply #62: Jan 11, 2019 03:30:29 pm
      As I mentioned before, there is more likelihood of him playing first team games at Ajax and developing quicker between the ages of 17-20.

      I don't know where this idea comes from, because if he is playing at a lower level, then the benefits are not there.

      As it is, he's (apparently) training with the senior squad, which, given the players we have, would seem to me to be much better for his development.

      Plus, too many promising kids have been fu**ed up by playing first team football too early in weak leagues.
      First team football is often overrated in a young players development.
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      Reply #63: Jan 11, 2019 04:35:12 pm
      I don't know where this idea comes from, because if he is playing at a lower level, then the benefits are not there.

      As it is, he's (apparently) training with the senior squad, which, given the players we have, would seem to me to be much better for his development.

      The idea comes from the likes of, Sporting Lisbon, Porto, Ajax, PSV, Monaco, Southampton, Anderlecht, Lyon, Brazilian clubs etc etc where lesser clubs have given ample opportunity for kids to develop in first team football and then sold later on to bigger clubs where they have become exceptional/world class players.

      Plus, too many promising kids have been fu**ed up by playing first team football too early in weak leagues.
      First team football is often overrated in a young players development.

      And one could make the argument for promising kids being fu**ed by not playing at an earlier age with first team football more beneficial than training with first team players.

      Personally, If I were 16-18, I would choose 15-25 games a season at a club like, Southampton, Ajax, Dortmund , Lyon, Monaco etc over 3-4 games and training with seniors at a big club.
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      Reply #64: Jan 11, 2019 05:04:13 pm
      We should all remember that he is a kid.. I mean what did you do when you were 16, guys 16...

      With our injury situation he were given the opportunity to train with the first team, that’s great but I doubt that it was in his development plan for the 18/19 campaign.

      He is receiving game time in;
      U18 PL
      PL2
      Uefa youth league

      And training with the squads above accordingly. The call up to first team were a lucky coincidence by the circumstances and he embraced it.
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      Reply #65: Jan 11, 2019 05:18:29 pm
      Plus, too many promising kids have been fu**ed up by playing first team football too early in weak leagues.
      First team football is often overrated in a young players development.

      It is a classic debate which I think Pep mention when the idea of having B squads in the lower leagues was thrown around where you get the best of both worlds where players get to train with the best and train to fit the system of the first team while playing matches vs men and results matter as oppose to the u23 league they have now. I always felt some point players do need to play first team football, training can only do so much for a player.

      As far as Hoever is concern hopefully we don't have to see him in the first team for the rest of the season (only reason be up would be injury crisis). Hope he can continue to develop and see where he is next pre-season
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      Reply #66: Jan 11, 2019 06:38:18 pm
      We should all remember that he is a kid.. I mean what did you do when you were 16, guys 16...

      Smoked weed, drank cider and wanked meself off.
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      Re: Ki-Jana Hoever
      Reply #67: Jan 11, 2019 08:30:14 pm
      Id still go with him tomorrow alongside Virgil. Let Fab play mid with Gini and Keita.
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      Re: Ki-Jana Hoever
      Reply #68: Jan 12, 2019 08:25:31 am
      Smoked weed, drank cider and wanked meself off.

      F**k, nothing's changed for me and I'm 47 🤣🤣

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