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      Liverpool 4-0 Newcastle United: In game and Post Match discussion

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      Re: Liverpool 4-0 Newcastle United: In game and Post Match discussion
      Reply #414: Dec 27, 2018 09:21:09 pm
      Why would a Manc be here ? Seems strange

      Lot of strange people on this board, Keith is not one of them.
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      Re: Liverpool 4-0 Newcastle United: In game and Post Match discussion
      Reply #415: Dec 27, 2018 09:31:48 pm

       ;D Yes mate  ;D Forive me   :D
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      Re: Liverpool 4-0 Newcastle United: In game and Post Match discussion
      Reply #416: Dec 27, 2018 09:33:05 pm

      Gradually realising the error of your ways and growing into supporting us though aren’t you Keith ;)
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      Re: Liverpool 4-0 Newcastle United: In game and Post Match discussion
      Reply #417: Dec 27, 2018 09:33:55 pm
      Why would a Manc be here ? Seems strange

      There's more scousers on redcafe that their are mancs on here. I come in peace though.  xxxxx:action-smiley-065:
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      Re: Liverpool 4-0 Newcastle United: In game and Post Match discussion
      Reply #418: Dec 27, 2018 09:35:04 pm
      Lot of strange people on this board, Keith is not one of them.

      I agree, plenty of strange ones.  :D
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      Re: Liverpool 4-0 Newcastle United: In game and Post Match discussion
      Reply #419: Dec 27, 2018 09:36:40 pm
      Gradually realising the error of your ways and growing into supporting us though aren’t you Keith ;)

      Errr!! do I have to answer that one KK  ;D I do enjoy this forum if that helps my answer.  ;D
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      Re: Liverpool 4-0 Newcastle United: In game and Post Match discussion
      Reply #420: Dec 27, 2018 10:45:51 pm
      Sorry but Salah wasn’t impeded - Dummet didn’t pull him back and the touch was minimal,Salah not for first time went down too easily - if that happens against us you would been screaming at the ref claiming dive etc

      If contact like that means a penalty in the area then every single corner will have one because every single CB touches a forward like that.

      It’s not a bad thing to say we got away with one

      Give your arse a chance ffs.
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      Re: Liverpool 4-0 Newcastle United: In game and Post Match discussion
      Reply #421: Dec 28, 2018 12:18:04 am
      Think the biggest issue is the difference in refereeing when fouls happen inside or outside the box. If any player, between the two penalty areas, goes on a run and gets pulled by his arm or touched on his shoulder like Salah was, the vast majority of the time the referee will blow his whistle even if the player doesn't go down. Most of the time the player committing the foul will receive a yellow. We'll usually call it a 'professional foul' or 'taking one for the team'.

      If Salah stays on his feet there, we're not getting a penalty. Simple as that. If it had happened in midfield with him staying on his feet and perhaps throwing his arms up, we'd get the foul.

      The biggest issue really is the inconsistency from referees rather than Salah making a meal of it. If referees would actually reward players by giving penalties when they are fouled but do (try to) stay on their feet, like Salah's goal against Bournemouth, players wouldn't feel the need to go down in order to get the penalty they do deserve. Players go down because they feel that the only way to get a penalty, is to go down, even if there's minimal contact that might cause them to be off-balance.

      I don't like Salah going down like that at all and it was a soft arse penalty, one I'd be fuming at if given against us. Won't blame him for doing it though. It's the F.A and the referees that need to get their heads straight.

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      Re: Liverpool 4-0 Newcastle United: In game and Post Match discussion
      Reply #422: Dec 28, 2018 12:45:12 am
      Ffs Mo has been battered last couple of weeks could have gone down and had a few pens , all of a sudden we get one and some are not happy Fck that , them Manc cu*ts got them for years
      We on our way just fckin enjoy it cmon you reds ,
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      Re: Liverpool 4-0 Newcastle United: In game and Post Match discussion
      Reply #423: Dec 28, 2018 09:13:43 am
      Think the biggest issue is the difference in refereeing when fouls happen inside or outside the box. If any player, between the two penalty areas, goes on a run and gets pulled by his arm or touched on his shoulder like Salah was, the vast majority of the time the referee will blow his whistle even if the player doesn't go down. Most of the time the player committing the foul will receive a yellow. We'll usually call it a 'professional foul' or 'taking one for the team'.

      If Salah stays on his feet there, we're not getting a penalty. Simple as that. If it had happened in midfield with him staying on his feet and perhaps throwing his arms up, we'd get the foul.

      The biggest issue really is the inconsistency from referees rather than Salah making a meal of it. If referees would actually reward players by giving penalties when they are fouled but do (try to) stay on their feet, like Salah's goal against Bournemouth, players wouldn't feel the need to go down in order to get the penalty they do deserve. Players go down because they feel that the only way to get a penalty, is to go down, even if there's minimal contact that might cause them to be off-balance.

      I don't like Salah going down like that at all and it was a soft arse penalty, one I'd be fuming at if given against us. Won't blame him for doing it though. It's the F.A and the referees that need to get their heads straight.



      Spot on.

      Very different because it’s only a pull. He is ON the ball and there’s zero attempt by Dummet to play the ball only to impede.

      That = penalty.
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      Re: Liverpool 4-0 Newcastle United: In game and Post Match discussion
      Reply #424: Dec 28, 2018 11:57:39 am
      Why are we evven discussing this nonsense? It was a pull on shoulder and penalty - no question. Yes, he went down bit easily but it doesn't mean it is not a penalty. All others go down at a mere blow of the wind (Spurs in particular) and no one bats an eye lid, especially the British media for whom Kane is the 2nd coming.

      Come on - enough. Get on with the next game.
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      Re: Liverpool 4-0 Newcastle United: In game and Post Match discussion
      Reply #425: Dec 28, 2018 02:34:53 pm
      People picking up on FA actually reviewing it as a factor of consideration in this don't understand that FA review every single penalty in every match regardless! FA didn't do a press release about Salah's penalty, they were contacted by the press. They must have told the press that because the Newcastle players arm touched Salah before he went down, the penalty was the right call so there is no way to suspend Salah. In simplistic form.

      Was the penalty decision correct? YES.
      Does the FA suspend players who dive after being fouled? Seems not.
      Does the FA suspend players who dive with no contact? I'd assume so.

      Luck didn't come into this, rules did. Was Salah right to go down? That's personal opinion, but the gutter press have made a meal of it and now referees could treat Salah differently thanks to the media storm. That's what the presses goal was right? The fact that we are even discussing it shows the press won.
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      Re: Liverpool 4-0 Newcastle United: In game and Post Match discussion
      Reply #426: Dec 28, 2018 03:58:28 pm
      Watched in a pub today so just finished watching the replay and being able to notice a bit more. Jordan Henderson was very positive and drove the midfield. Gini has been great all season but  maybe a bit off the boil just now. I wouldn't be shocked to see Fab, Keita and Henderson as the midfield three vs. Arsenal.

      On Shaqiri's goal, we strung together 25 passes with the last being TAA's ball to Shaq for the tap in. That's if you don't count two failed attempts to scramble the ball clear. I think all 10 outfield players touched the ball in that sequence. Brilliant team goal. Glad to see Fabinho scored his first goal for us as well as he has really come on leaps and bounds the past few appearances. Great purchase there.   






      Also, whoever is knocking Sadio Mane's performance today...are you serious? He was so active throughout. Always giving Newcastle something to think about in the back - a big part of our success in attack despite not scoring himself. Bobby also very involved in the press, winning possession and kick-starting the attack.

      Team is looking great, but six points can be gone (obviously) in two bad results. Stay steady everyone, and enjoy every moment.
         

      Which pub were you in, The Union Jack in Indy by chance?
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      Re: Liverpool 4-0 Newcastle United: In game and Post Match discussion
      Reply #427: Dec 28, 2018 07:07:32 pm
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      In the 90’s a player couldn’t get banned now they can - we gor very lucky tbe FA are useless - next time Mo or another player could miss key games because of their stupid actions

      But this wasn't a stupid action. The ref saw no dive, the FA saw no dive, and the opposition didn't protest. This was a foul, and Mo had no case to answer.

      I really don't see the issue here. One of our players was dragged back in the box. It's a stonewall penalty. There is no law in the game saying that a foul must be reckless, in order to be punished.
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      Reply #428: Dec 28, 2018 07:21:24 pm
      But this wasn't a stupid action. The ref saw no dive, the FA saw no dive, and the opposition didn't protest. This was a foul, and Mo had no case to answer.

      I really don't see the issue here. One of our players was dragged back in the box. It's a stonewall penalty. There is no law in the game saying that a foul must be reckless, in order to be punished.

      It was far from a stonewall penalty- people wouldn’t be questioning it if it was a stonewall penalty. And Salah did dive unless you honestly think the touch from Dummett was enough for Salah to arch his back and go to his knees.

      And there is no law that says every touch is a foul - the touch from Dummett wasn’t enough to impede the player - Salah dives and made rbe ref think the touch was.
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      Reply #429: Dec 28, 2018 07:35:36 pm
      It was far from a stonewall penalty- people wouldn’t be questioning it if it was a stonewall penalty. And Salah did dive unless you honestly think the touch from Dummett was enough for Salah to arch his back and go to his knees.

      And there is no law that says every touch is a foul - the touch from Dummett wasn’t enough to impede the player - Salah dives and made rbe ref think the touch was.

      Lallana not everyone is like you and calls a spade a spade. No matter how much you try, some just won't take those rose tinted glasses off. You'll learn that some people can't be educated.  :(
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      Reply #430: Dec 28, 2018 07:51:57 pm
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      It was far from a stonewall penalty- people wouldn’t be questioning it if it was a stonewall penalty. And Salah did dive unless you honestly think the touch from Dummett was enough for Salah to arch his back and go to his knees.

      And there is no law that says every touch is a foul - the touch from Dummett wasn’t enough to impede the player - Salah dives and made rbe ref think the touch was.

      They shouldn't be questioning it, that's the point. It's not a touch, it's a clear shirt pull. Once that happens, the referee has a job to do, and he did it. Anywhere else on the pitch, it's a free kick, and anywhere in the box, it's a penalty. It would be only be considered a dive if there was no contact at all.

      This will be a regular occurrence when VAR comes in. It may happen in the cup next week, and it will certainly happen at some point during the European Cup later this season, be it involving us, or someone else.

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      No matter how much you try, some just won't take those rose tinted glasses off.

      When you come onto a Liverpool fan website, you expect Liverpool fans to be biased. But even with the glasses off, Salah still has done nothing wrong, and has not been punished for a non existent offence.
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      Re: Liverpool 4-0 Newcastle United: In game and Post Match discussion
      Reply #431: Dec 28, 2018 07:54:29 pm
      Soft pen or not, foul or not it was given and can’t be worse than the one Harry Kane bought for himself against us.
      You put your hands on another player in the box then you are giving the referee a decision to make. You should not be surprised if that decision is a penalty
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      Re: Liverpool 4-0 Newcastle United: In game and Post Match discussion
      Reply #432: Dec 28, 2018 07:57:53 pm
      They shouldn't be questioning it, that's the point. It's not a touch, it's a clear shirt pull. Once that happens, the referee has a job to do, and he did it. Anywhere else on the pitch, it's a free kick, and anywhere in the box, it's a penalty. It would be only be considered a dive if there was no contact at all.

      This will be a regular occurrence when VAR comes in. It may happen in the cup next week, and it will certainly happen at some point during the European Cup later this season, be it involving us, or someone else.

      When you come onto a Liverpool fan website, you expect Liverpool fans to be biased. But even with the glasses off, Salah still has done nothing wrong, and has not been punished for a non existent offence.

      Sorry but it’s a dive if the touch is not significant for the player to go down - it wasn’t a clear pull back in any shape or form

      Players do dive even with the slightest touch because they are trying to earn a penalty.

      Salah went onto his knees on his own accord - to suggest otherwise is clueless
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      Re: Liverpool 4-0 Newcastle United: In game and Post Match discussion
      Reply #433: Dec 28, 2018 07:58:12 pm
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      Reply #434: Dec 28, 2018 08:10:42 pm

      He's simply not wearing rose tinted glasses  :D
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      Re: Liverpool 4-0 Newcastle United: In game and Post Match discussion
      Reply #435: Dec 28, 2018 09:09:04 pm
      He's simply not wearing rose tinted glasses  :D
      Always thought you were a City fan Keith  :f_whistle:
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      Re: Liverpool 4-0 Newcastle United: In game and Post Match discussion
      Reply #436: Dec 28, 2018 09:11:21 pm
      Lallana not everyone is like you and calls a spade a spade. No matter how much you try, some just won't take those rose tinted glasses off. You'll learn that some people can't be educated.  :(

      You might think he's calling a spade a spade. Shame you're both actually looking at a trowel.

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