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      Manchester City 2-1 Liverpool: In game and Post Match discussion

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      Roddenberry
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      Re: Manchester City 2-1 Liverpool: In game and Post Match discussion
      Reply #1050: Jan 04, 2019 11:09:21 pm
      I'm honestly wondering if people watched the same game as me. They were better, though not by a great margin on the night but could have had no complaints if we'd grabbed a point or, in fact,  all three.

      Still daylight at the top, we play like that again at any other team in this league, we beat them.

      Gave up trying to read the whole thread,  too much guff, bullshit and waffle to wade through, the usual suspects scapegoating the usual suspects and way over the top criticisms for some.

      To be honest, if I had to lay some flak,  it would be aimed down our right flank, our weak spot all night and as a whole, we were a little sloppy in possession, we quite often had more time then it seemed ond we lacked a little composure. On another night,  we'd have scored three or four and, giving praise are it's due,  both Man City goals were excellently taken though I don't think many could have put Agueto's chance away.

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      Re: Manchester City 2-1 Liverpool: In game and Post Match discussion
      Reply #1051: Jan 04, 2019 11:12:16 pm
      It's your opinion. There's no point in arguing an opinion. It's no more credible than anybody else's including mine, unless you have evidence. My opinion is different.

      No, not all opinion have the same worth. Flat earthers, anti vaxxers and those that thought we wouldn't batter Arsenal, for example, are worthy of ridicule.
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      Re: Manchester City 2-1 Liverpool: In game and Post Match discussion
      Reply #1052: Jan 04, 2019 11:17:07 pm
      Baffled by some of the hugely over the top berating of players who put their all in for our club.

      This group of players took us to a Champions League final last season and are now leading the race for the Premier League and got through a difficult CL group.

      What more can you possibly want as a fan? It’s exciting to be competing on all fronts. We’ve watched some shocking football over the years and had to settle for mid-table mediocrity at times.

      This is the best time to be an LFC fan right now. The players don’t deserve to be slated the way in which they are, they are leading us back to where we want to be.
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      Re: Manchester City 2-1 Liverpool: In game and Post Match discussion
      Reply #1053: Jan 04, 2019 11:45:45 pm
      I'm honestly wondering if people watched the same game as me. They were better, though not by a great margin on the night but could have had no complaints if we'd grabbed a point or, in fact,  all three.

      Still daylight at the top, we play like that again at any other team in this league, we beat them.

      Gave up trying to read the whole thread,  too much guff, bullshit and waffle to wade through, the usual suspects scapegoating the usual suspects and way over the top criticisms for some.

      To be honest, if I had to lay some flak,  it would be aimed down our right flank, our weak spot all night and as a whole, we were a little sloppy in possession, we quite often had more time then it seemed ond we lacked a little composure. On another night,  we'd have scored three or four and, giving praise are it's due,  both Man City goals were excellently taken though I don't think many could have put Agueto's chance away.

      Interesting regarding the right flank.
      I thought we ushered them down that side to leave space behind for Salah, which is why our midfielders weren't wide on that side very often except in press or counter press situations.

      I watched the game again this morning, and it seemed clear to me that we set out to deny them dominance through possession, which is what they like.
      Both Klopp and Pep changed the shape of their teams, during the first half, and the 2nd.
      It was noticeable to me, that Pep got his deeper players in exactly the right positions to cut down our long passes in behind to stop our counters.
      This was a chess game between two masters, and I think we were very unlucky to come away with nothing.
      I just wish I could spot more of the subtleties sooner, and not miss so many.
      It's blindingly obvious to me that these 2 managers border on genius, and I just wish I could do them justice when posting about them.
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      Re: Manchester City 2-1 Liverpool: In game and Post Match discussion
      Reply #1054: Jan 04, 2019 11:47:33 pm
      Ach. Last time I posted we were 4 points ahead of the rest and we still are. That's good enough for me. Titles aren't determined in these matches alone - us doing the double over the Mancs in 2008/2009 proved that. It's what you do in all the other matches that you're supposed to win that decides it.

      Anyhow, Happy new year to you all! Roll on the new year - let's all have a good time.

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      Re: Manchester City 2-1 Liverpool: In game and Post Match discussion
      Reply #1055: Jan 04, 2019 11:55:47 pm
      No, not all opinion have the same worth. Flat earthers, anti vaxxers and those that thought we wouldn't batter Arsenal, for example, are worthy of ridicule.

      Rodders - in the million plus years we’ve been on this forum we haven’t always agreed.

      However......

      I promise you - your opinion is worth more than a lot of folks.

      You’ve earned it by not talking sh*te a lot of the time.

      That’s a high 5 where I grew up ;)
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      Re: Manchester City 2-1 Liverpool: In game and Post Match discussion
      Reply #1056: Jan 05, 2019 12:10:26 am
      Rodders - in the million plus years we’ve been on this forum we haven’t always agreed.

      However......

      I promise you - your opinion is worth more than a lot of folks.

      You’ve earned it by not talking sh*te a lot of the time.

      That’s a high 5 where I grew up ;)

      Always liked Rodders posts.
      He talks a lot of sense.
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      Re: Manchester City 2-1 Liverpool: In game and Post Match discussion
      Reply #1057: Jan 05, 2019 12:42:39 am
      A few people including non reds have said to me that they think last nights result will benefit us long term

      Anyone see it that way

      Don't know if benefit is the would I use Brian. I'd see it as a positive. Disagree with so many saying didn't play well etc etc. Before December fans from many clubs including Liverpool were saying just how good City are. They had their bad run but came back all guns blazing yesterday.

      For me the game was very tight and not much between both teams. Taking into account you were the away side it was a very good performance. You lads played well against a formidable team ( just like yourselves)  For me the midfield let you down considerably. Hendo not the player he was and like I've said on other threads this will be his last year as Captain.

      You didn't have the pace that City had in the midfield and that's where I thought they bossed it in my opinion. I personally wouldn't be upset the way Liverpool played. First loss in 21 games I'm a happy man if supporting the club.

      The best team or second best team you matched them for me. Going to be a great climax hopefully. I'm hoping no team runs away from it and it goes to the wire, both teams deserves that.

      Happy New Year pal.





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      Re: Manchester City 2-1 Liverpool: In game and Post Match discussion
      Reply #1058: Jan 05, 2019 12:47:59 am
      Just hope we win league these year, longer we go without winning premier league, more thing we never win one in my life time
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      Re: Manchester City 2-1 Liverpool: In game and Post Match discussion
      Reply #1059: Jan 05, 2019 12:49:08 am
      Taught city were poor enough, we be more attack wise bit flair in midfield we won that game
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      Re: Manchester City 2-1 Liverpool: In game and Post Match discussion
      Reply #1060: Jan 05, 2019 01:31:00 am
      No, not all opinion have the same worth. Flat earthers, anti vaxxers and those that thought we wouldn't batter Arsenal, for example, are worthy of ridicule.
      flat earth theory goes against evidence, so it's in the conspiracy bracket and not the best example. There was no evidence we would batter Arsenal, I expected a narrow win personally so I was pleasantly surprised.
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      Re: Manchester City 2-1 Liverpool: In game and Post Match discussion
      Reply #1061: Jan 05, 2019 01:34:46 am
      F**k me, a game really decided by a matter of inches.

      Sadio hits the inside of the post (still don't know why he didn't try to lift it over the keeper, when Edersen was already going to ground)

      Stones kicks the ball away off the f**king line and it goes through Mo's legs, how that happens is f**king beyond me

      then those cu*ts catch us on the break and Sane's shot goes in off both posts!!!

      No luck at the Etihad but hope it comes back soon.

      Still 4 points clear!

      Comethefuckon!!!!
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      Re: Manchester City 2-1 Liverpool: In game and Post Match discussion
      Reply #1062: Jan 05, 2019 01:35:28 am
      You didn't have the pace that City had in the midfield and that's where I thought they bossed it in my opinion.
      As a non Liverpool fan, you must know what is on rival forums. I'm just interested in what people without tinted goggles think about that midfield Klopp picked in general. What are they saying?
      « Last Edit: Jan 05, 2019 01:40:09 am by Ribapuru »
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      Re: Manchester City 2-1 Liverpool: In game and Post Match discussion
      Reply #1063: Jan 05, 2019 02:18:31 am
      As a non Liverpool fan, you must know what is on rival forums. I'm just interested in what people without tinted goggles think about that midfield Klopp picked in general. What are they saying?

      I haven't really looked Rib. I wouldn't of gone with that midfield if everyone was fit. However, I'm sure Klopp had his reasons and I'd never question him as he's been pretty faultless all season in my opinion.
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      Re: Manchester City 2-1 Liverpool: In game and Post Match discussion
      Reply #1064: Jan 05, 2019 02:40:54 am
      I haven't really looked Rib. I wouldn't of gone with that midfield if everyone was fit. However, I'm sure Klopp had his reasons and I'd never question him as he's been pretty faultless all season in my opinion.
      think he has had a good season, but nothings perfect and I think he did make mistakes with his selection against city, everybody learns even managers. I think our remaining games are a bit easier than city's, so still fancy us to win league.
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      Re: Manchester City 2-1 Liverpool: In game and Post Match discussion
      Reply #1065: Jan 05, 2019 02:53:02 am
      Baffled by some of the hugely over the top berating of players who put their all in for our club.

      This group of players took us to a Champions League final last season and are now leading the race for the Premier League and got through a difficult CL group.

      What more can you possibly want as a fan? It’s exciting to be competing on all fronts. We’ve watched some shocking football over the years and had to settle for mid-table mediocrity at times.

      This is the best time to be an LFC fan right now. The players don’t deserve to be slated the way in which they are, they are leading us back to where we want to be.

      Have you ever heard of the term a manager has taken a team as far as he can?

      It was the case with us and houllier before Rafa took over.

      Well the same applies to players. There are some players who 5 years ago were finishing mid table which is about their level.

      The last two seasons we've finished fourth. They were both good campaigns but I was clearly obvious that we needed to upgrade on certain players to take the next step.

      This summer we spent big. Alisson has made a massive difference to us, van dijk too who was bought a couple of months earlier.  And in my opinion, we look so much better and almost a different team whenever fabinho and Keita are put in ahead of others.  They were the upgrades and we look better when we play them.

      I'm sick of seeing 'Henderson captained us to a European cup final'. We had, on paper, the easiest route to the CL final there probably has ever been. Apart from city we were big favourites in all our ties.

      When it mattered, Henderson got bossed off the pitch by modric and the difference in class was evident. He got bossed off the pitch by him again in the World Cup and then he gets bossed in league games like last night.

      It's very exciting times to be a Liverpool fan and we're all thoroughly enjoying it despite some divvys on here who accuse others of being miserable or even wums. But a couple of players are a liability still and they shouldn't play. 
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      Re: Manchester City 2-1 Liverpool: In game and Post Match discussion
      Reply #1066: Jan 05, 2019 04:04:06 am
      Have you ever heard of the term a manager has taken a team as far as he can?

      It was the case with us and houllier before Rafa took over.

      Well the same applies to players. There are some players who 5 years ago were finishing mid table which is about their level.

      The last two seasons we've finished fourth. They were both good campaigns but I was clearly obvious that we needed to upgrade on certain players to take the next step.

      This summer we spent big. Alisson has made a massive difference to us, van dijk too who was bought a couple of months earlier.  And in my opinion, we look so much better and almost a different team whenever fabinho and Keita are put in ahead of others.  They were the upgrades and we look better when we play them.

      I'm sick of seeing 'Henderson captained us to a European cup final'. We had, on paper, the easiest route to the CL final there probably has ever been. Apart from city we were big favourites in all our ties.

      When it mattered, Henderson got bossed off the pitch by modric and the difference in class was evident. He got bossed off the pitch by him again in the World Cup and then he gets bossed in league games like last night.

      It's very exciting times to be a Liverpool fan and we're all thoroughly enjoying it despite some divvys on here who accuse others of being miserable or even wums. But a couple of players are a liability still and they shouldn't play. 
      Raging against Hendo because he was outshined by the Baloon D’or winner? :lmao:

      He wasn’t bossed anywhere last night. Had a good game, did what Klopp wanted him to do. You are talking out of your ass because you have a personal vendetta against him. Sorry but that’s the simple truth. You won’t convince me (or likely others) otherwise.
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      Re: Manchester City 2-1 Liverpool: In game and Post Match discussion
      Reply #1067: Jan 05, 2019 05:54:02 am
      flat earth theory goes against evidence, so it's in the conspiracy bracket and not the best example. There was no evidence we would batter Arsenal, I expected a narrow win personally so I was pleasantly surprised.

      Plenty of evidence for the Arsenal performance, including injuries to the Arsenal back line, a centre back partnership that had issues with both mobility and pace and, whilst having a half decent run of form, Arsenal had looked vulnerable and had shown signs of a disconnect between defence and midfield all season, something Klopp and our side is very good at exploiting.
      « Last Edit: Jan 05, 2019 08:08:05 am by Roddenberry »
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      Re: Manchester City 2-1 Liverpool: In game and Post Match discussion
      Reply #1068: Jan 05, 2019 06:14:50 am
      Raging against Hendo because he was outshined by the Baloon D’or winner? :lmao:

      He wasn’t bossed anywhere last night. Had a good game, did what Klopp wanted him to do. You are talking out of your ass because you have a personal vendetta against him. Sorry but that’s the simple truth. You won’t convince me (or likely others) otherwise.

      I'm trying to explain to people like you the difference between a winner and a 'had a good cup run' player.

      Again, boring statement 'he did what klopp wanted him to do'. Tell me then, why does fabinho play completely different and why does Wijnaldum? Are you telling me they are disobeying jurgen then?

      It's people like yourself who talk utter sh*te and you are clueless.

      I was banging my drum about Lovren not long ago on here saying it was only a matter of time before he let's us down. A handful of posters kept telling me I was wrong. Then look at the city game. Are you going to tell me he did exactly what jurgen wanted too?

      If you think henderson is good enough not only to start for a title challenging team but to captain one then fair enough, you're entitled to your opinion.

      I think you're deluded though. He wouldn't get in the city or Spurs team. He wouldn't even get in the Chelsea or united team. If you say otherwise then again, you're just deluded and clueless. You have no idea on the standard required to win the two major trophies, quite clearly.
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      Re: Manchester City 2-1 Liverpool: In game and Post Match discussion
      Reply #1069: Jan 05, 2019 06:18:12 am
      I am not sure a piece of rag around a person's arm means much anymore.
      VVD is already the real captain, he is the person shouting and who has the fans respect.
      The official captain is a meaningless gesture now.

      Personally I think that 3 defensively minded midfielders in a trio doesn't really work as well as having a balanced midfield.
      I'm hoping Klopp will come to the same conclusion, especially after last match.


      You do realise we lost by the width of a post?
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      Reply #1070: Jan 05, 2019 06:21:40 am
      I noticed over the last couple of weeks people like yourself are very quiet when Henderson plays well and he has played very well

      One defeat and straight away people like you go straight for Henderson when it’s clear it wasn’t his fault we lost and he was our best midfielder last night but you won’t ever see that - I expect you will be quiet until the next time

      Henderson has played very well?

       :lmao:

      No he's not.

      Fabinho and Wijnaldum are the in form midfielders who have been playing well.
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      Reply #1071: Jan 05, 2019 06:23:17 am
      Henderson has just signed a long extension to his contract - Klopp has already said he is his general and captain and that’s not going to change despite your opinion which imo is way over the top

      More or less the whole squad are on long term contracts so it gives us security. It means nothing.

      Lets wait and see what happens. I have a feeling he won't be captain next season.

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      Re: Manchester City 2-1 Liverpool: In game and Post Match discussion
      Reply #1072: Jan 05, 2019 06:40:54 am
      After thinking about this City match  I am convinced that City watched the Champions league final and realised if they kicked sh*te out of us  like Real Madrid did they could beat us.There is no doubt they targeted Mane and Mo for the rough house treatment from the start.Thanks to a inefficient ref we never stood a chance.
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      Re: Manchester City 2-1 Liverpool: In game and Post Match discussion
      Reply #1073: Jan 05, 2019 06:42:44 am
      Well you’ve well and truly killed this thread lad
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      Re: Manchester City 2-1 Liverpool: In game and Post Match discussion
      Reply #1074: Jan 05, 2019 06:46:01 am
      Well you’ve well and truly killed this thread lad

      It's just how I feel mate.( f**king annoyed )

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