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      January News Stories, 2019

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      Reply #25: Jan 24, 2019 08:07:03 pm
      Can this be politically motivated? Smear campaign?...

      Be interesting to hear Scotia’s & Franklys thoughts on this..

      Accusations of a conspiracy/smear campaign just seem ludicrous and potentially threatens to make targets of the people who felt strong enough to go to the police over this. That the arrest and charge has come entirely within the Scottish police (devolved power) and Scottish judicial system - forever unique and independent of the judiciary of the rest of England - only makes such a claim of 'conspiracy' look even more ridiculous as to plunder deep into the abyss of ignorance and touching stupidity.

      I've made my views clear on Salmond, I've never liked him and I still don't. A talented politician for sure - his ability to drag socialist Scotland and fuse it with the more conservative/rural parts of Scotland (not so unlike Blair's electoral strategy) is the blueprint by which all political parties in Britain should aspire to. As much as I hated it, that 2011 Scottish Parliament election victory was something incredible and in history (should Scotland become independent) it will probably be seen as one of the most important dates in the nation's history. It was a critical juncture in the development of devolution and Scottish independence. But as I said I've always disliked the man as I see him as something of a bully and narcissist. Like all narcissists he likes to take control of the narrative as he proved today - never missing the opportunity to blow hard into a tv microphone. Control is everything for those type of individuals.

      And for people thinking that such an arrest will have a negative effect on the independence question, well that is ridiculous as well. He is yesterdays man - why else would he be presenting a cheap chat show on a news channel? This is a man who has no political career anymore and he very much lives in Sturgeon's shadow in terms of influence and power - what purpose and threat does he carry to Sturgeon let alone a UK establishment? Since she became FM she's been a breath of fresh air by comparison. I think we've seen in the last couple of years, probably the only politician in Britain that has been consistent on the Brexit question. And I certainly don't doubt Sturgeon's integrity in the same way I did with Salmond. After all, Sturgeon was the person whose principles came ahead of everything else and opened up Scottish Government investigations on him back in the summer. The independence movement, like all large movements, are bigger than any one individual. It's heavily dependent on what Sturgeon does of course but it long ceased being dependent on Salmond's own political strength.

      And as for those on the other side of the independence argument, I've seen articles from unionist publications taking glee from today's news salivating over a so called SNP 'civil war' between Sturgeon and Salmond. But that is tasteless and nothing could expose the depravity of certain sections of the press more than making political capital over something as serious as attempted rape and sexual assault. But then again, are any of us surprised?

      Just to go back to my point at the top, Salmond isn't a victim of a conspiracy. If people think he was then ask yourself why this didn't come before the referendum? Why not after he became SNP leader in 2004? Why not before Harvey Weinstein...oh hang on. That's it. At the end of the day, he's just another establishment figure who could potentially be brought down by the MeToo movement in an era where women are now confident enough to come forward and testify against those men in power who aggressively abused and corrupted that power. It could take down Salmond and be sure there are far bigger names that it will take down in future.
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      Reply #26: Jan 24, 2019 09:17:02 pm
      Don't like Salmond much even before this. He's too much of a nationalist.
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      Reply #27: Jan 25, 2019 05:25:01 pm
      Was this on the news over there?https://www.cnn.com/2019/01/24/us/sebring-florida-bank-shooting/index.html.Only 5 dead so not really headline news anymore.
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      Reply #28: Jan 25, 2019 06:50:21 pm
      Don't like Salmond much even before this. He's too much of a nationalist.

      I have the same kinda issue with Brexiteers.
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      Reply #29: Jan 25, 2019 07:15:59 pm
      That jack shepherd is a cocky, arrogant c**t
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      Reply #30: Jan 25, 2019 07:49:02 pm
      I have the same kinda issue with Brexiteers.
      Most of them are pensioners, don't think they are racist, they just can't stand bring ruled by Germany through a proxy Brussels, it's because of the war... still very raw with older folk.
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      Reply #31: Jan 25, 2019 08:03:40 pm
      Most of them are pensioners, don't think they are racist, they just can't stand bring ruled by Germany through a proxy Brussels, it's because of the war... still very raw with older folk.

      Nope, wrong generation, most those who lived through the war understand the good done by the EU, it's the baby boomers, the generation after you're on about it.

      As Winston Churchill proclaimed, 'We cannot aim at anything less than the Union of Europe as a whole, and we look forward with confidence to the day when that Union will be achieved'.
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      Reply #32: Jan 25, 2019 08:10:02 pm
      Keep f**king mining,keep making money,f**k the people f**k the planet,cu*ts.https://www.bbc.com/news/world-latin-america-47009118.
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      Reply #33: Jan 26, 2019 03:15:43 pm
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      Reply #34: Jan 26, 2019 06:00:42 pm

      It's funny hearing the US Gvt coming out in support of the opposition to this guy. You'd think that with President Trump they'd share affinity and empathy with a dirty, corrupt fat b***ard intent on ruining everyone's lives but his own.
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      Reply #35: Jan 26, 2019 06:18:06 pm
      In other news, Michael Jackson is about to be re cancelled. Not exactly a surprise.

      https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/newsbeat-47013732
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      Reply #36: Jan 27, 2019 06:32:01 am
      In other news, Michael Jackson is about to be re cancelled. Not exactly a surprise.

      https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/newsbeat-47013732

      Just came in to post about this.

      Has anyone seen the documentary? To be honest the question has always been there and let’s be serious, what middle aged man hangs around with young children and has them stay the night as we all know occurred? If he wasn’t famous it wouldn’t even be a question.

      Doesn’t deserve any adulation or benefit of doubt imo.
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      Reply #37: Jan 27, 2019 12:11:26 pm
      Just came in to post about this.

      Has anyone seen the documentary? To be honest the question has always been there and let’s be serious, what middle aged man hangs around with young children and has them stay the night as we all know occurred? If he wasn’t famous it wouldn’t even be a question.

      Doesn’t deserve any adulation or benefit of doubt imo.

      Remember when Martin Bashir did that bizarre ITV scoop/documentary on him way back in the early 2000s? Bashir still gets harassed by Jackson obsessives to this day.

      This documentary film is apparently going to be shown on Channel 4 in the spring though given how harrowing it sounds I don't think it will be too high up on my must watch list.

      I think in art you are allowed to separate the person from the art. I mean the list of artists/composers in centuries past that are lauded but we're also pretty terrible individuals is long. With Jackson there's no doubting that he made some of the biggest/greatest records ever seen and I suppose the adoration he received from every corner of the entertainment business propped up a barrier where he was made to be indestructible. 

      But all that doesn't give him a free pass/excusal over his disturbing criminal ways and I wouldn't be surprised if a lot more people now feel challenged about listening to his music once this film comes out. The guy should have died in a prison in all honesty.
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      Reply #38: Jan 27, 2019 01:18:02 pm
      On the Venezuelan crisis. While Mr. Maduro, the Venezuelan President might preside of a corrupt government, and there are plenty of those around the World, and that his election is tainted with vote rigging ( again plenty of evidence of that in other countries) was Trump right to recognise the opposition leader Mr.Guaido as President. If Maduro didn't win legit then claiming victory for another in a bent election is hardly fair.

      The UK and others  have taken a similar step and have even demanded an election within 8 days. Smacks of interference into the internal politics of a sovereign state. No problem in calling for fair elections but to jump in a call an unelected man the new president will simply inflame tensions within that country. Makes a drama out of a crisis.
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      Reply #39: Jan 27, 2019 01:21:42 pm
      On the Venezuelan crisis. While Mr. Maduro, the Venezuelan President might preside of a corrupt government, and there are plenty of those around the World, and that his election is tainted with vote rigging ( again plenty of evidence of that in other countries) was Trump right to recognise the opposition leader Mr.Guaido as President. If Maduro didn't win legit then claiming victory for another in a bent election is hardly fair.

      The UK and others  have taken a similar step and have even demanded an election within 8 days. Smacks of interference into the internal politics of a sovereign state. No problem in calling for fair elections but to jump in a call an unelected man the new president will simply inflame tensions within that country. Makes a drama out of a crisis.

      Hypocrisy once again from western governments who wish to install a puppet government..The election was not rigged as UN observers oversaw the balloting & also the election was done electronically...


      & if May does not call an election in 8 days I’ll recognise Corbyn as the legitimate PM ...
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      Reply #40: Jan 27, 2019 01:26:39 pm
      Hypocrisy once again from western governments who wish to install a puppet government..The election was not rigged as UN observers oversaw the balloting & also the election was done electronically...


      & if May does not call an election in 8 days I’ll recognise Corbyn as the legitimate PM ...

      I second that...El Presidenta Corbinitza..
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      Reply #41: Jan 27, 2019 01:33:41 pm
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      Reply #42: Jan 27, 2019 01:58:12 pm
      Just sent a comment to BBC news claiming the 2017 General Election was rigged by the right wing media and if Teresa May doesn't call a new General Election within 8 days I will formally recognise Mr. Jeremy Corbyn as the Prime Minister of the United Kingdom and all her Dominions..

      ..Hilarious Shabs...cheers.
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      Reply #43: Jan 27, 2019 02:30:15 pm
      Just sent a comment to BBC news claiming the 2017 General Election was rigged by the right wing media and if Teresa May doesn't call a new General Election within 8 days I will formally recognise Mr. Jeremy Corbyn as the Prime Minister of the United Kingdom and all her Dominions..

      ..Hilarious Shabs...cheers.

      You won't be saying that when we run out of toilet rolls
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      Reply #44: Jan 27, 2019 02:41:15 pm
      You won't be saying that when we run out of toilet rolls

      Don't say that it might improve the sales figures of that lying rag we all despise.
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      Reply #45: Jan 27, 2019 02:59:24 pm
      You won't be saying that when we run out of toilet rolls

      Under the current non elected leader we are in more danger of running out of medical supplies than an arse wipe..
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      Reply #46: Jan 27, 2019 03:13:33 pm
      Is there anything May won't do or say to frighten the country into accepting her flawed deal. Lost track of all the threats issued in the event of a No Deal.

      Need a feckin' tank to get to the shops on 30th March at this rate..
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      Reply #47: Jan 27, 2019 07:06:03 pm
      New Zimbabwe, same as the old one.
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      Reply #48: Jan 27, 2019 09:50:37 pm
      New Zimbabwe, same as the old one.

      Mugabe had $750,000 stolen from his house.He had the money stashed in a suitcase. Wonder where he got the money...must have had a part-time job and just saved the money up..
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      Reply #49: Jan 27, 2019 10:05:23 pm
      I second that...El Presidenta Corbinitza..

      Yeah, all the hunger, disease and civil unrest in Venezuela...all a big laugh innit.

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