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      Wolverhampton Wanderers 2-1 Liverpool: In game and Post Match discussion

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      Re: Wolverhampton Wanderers 2-1 Liverpool: In game and Post Match discussion
      Reply #960: Jan 09, 2019 02:56:33 am
      That's why I rarely frequent this forum any more. No enlightened debate, no room for differing opinions, the same few hunt in packs and shut down any conversation they disagree with through claims of you being a 'WUM', descending into petty name calling and arguments. The juvenility of it can be quite tiresome.

      As for the FA Cup, not happy we went out but not sad either, entirely apathetic and that will not change come May regardless of what happens simply because you can only make decisions based upon the information you have on hand at the time you make it, and right now given our League position and that we're still in the - let's be perfectly honest about it - far more important Champions League, I can understand the need to rotate. What neither I nor Klopp can account for though is the underperformance by players who are more than capable of winning that game. People can criticise the gaffer all they like but they would make the same decision in the same circumstances were they the manager of the club.

      Same mate. If anything, they're the wum too. Why would they dismiss other reds wanting the very best for our club? Mind boggling at times some of the stuff you read on here.

      They must be boring as f**k in the boozer after the match as well. I bet their wolves post match conversation went something like this.

      'So what did you think of the game today'

      'We were excellent'

      'Even though we lost 2-1?'

      'Yes we were excellent'.

      'What did you think of the huge error that led to the first goal' 

      'Nobody's fault because we are excellent'

      'What did you make of jurgens line up'

      'It was excellent'

      'Could Mignolet have done any better for their second do you think?'

      'I don't care because he's excellent'.

      'Do you think we should take the domestic cups a little more serious considering we've only won one trophy in 12 years now?'

      'Doesn't matter because we're excellent'.

      'Ok. Have you got anything at all to add other than we're excellent?'

      'Nope'.
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      Re: Wolverhampton Wanderers 2-1 Liverpool: In game and Post Match discussion
      Reply #961: Jan 09, 2019 05:44:08 am
      Sometimes people just need to blow off steam after a debate and will say daft stuff in an attempt to vent their frustrations. Nothing wrong with that and certainly no reason for people to resort to calling them names. People who regurgitate the same nonsense outside of matches likewise should not be insulted, merely ignored. Point in proof of both in this very thread.

      In isolation as a one off - possibly I’d agree.

      The same monotonous, self important drone all the time though is disruptive.

      It adds no value to any debate and often acts as a disincentive to others.

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      Reply #962: Jan 09, 2019 06:14:27 am
      In isolation as a one off - possibly I’d agree.

      The same monotonous, self important drone all the time though is disruptive.

      It adds no value to any debate and often acts as a disincentive to others.

      Self important?

      What about the posters who continue to over praise certain players then? Why don't they get on your nerves?

      The thing is, and I've said this many times, I will happily admit and say a player has had a good game even if I don't particularly rate them. If I thought Moreno was motm on Monday then I'd have said so no problem, even though I think he's dog turd and want him out of this club.

      It's no secret I don't like Henderson or Lovren and I seriously worry that both could hinder our chances at silverware. The times I do think they've played well I say so in my post match opinions though. Look through them if you don't believe me, you'll find some.

      The people who continue to defend such players never admit they've had a sh*t game though, and that clearly frustrates posters as much as the likes of yourself who get annoyed when somebody blasts them which you find unfair. It's also unfair coming on here and reading the same old over the top praise bullshit as well.

      Funny place this forum. People stick to their guns and just argue for arguments sake. They've set their stall out and that's it now. I don't though. I just say things as I see them, game by game.

      I love our front three for example, but I've said many times that they haven't played well. I like James Milner, but he was f**king terrible on Monday. I like Trent, but he has shockers from time to time as well. I could go on and on.

      Anybody who can't have a proper conversation or discussion about the match afterwards who get deeply offended if there is a slight criticism about the team who they support neee to grow up. It's behaviour you get from a 9 year old who runs home because his mate said something nasty.

      It's a bloody football forum. It's our chance to voice our thoughts l. It's our chance to be a pretend manager and tell people what we'd do in klopps shoes. Or it's our chance to be Carra and analyse the game in our own way.

      Yet people come on here, quote them and resort to name calling. And the funny thing is, the only thing they themselves can come up with is 'klopp knows best' and 'if it's ok with klopp then it's ok with me'. They're the idiots on here. I don't even know why they bother coming on, they literally offer nothing.
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      Reply #963: Jan 09, 2019 08:14:44 am
      Hate the being alright with going out of the cup. An FA Cup would be lovely.

      I'm fine with Klopp putting out the side he did but I'm not fine with the side he put out's performance. Was awful.

      Hard to slag young lads off as it must be very hard getting your chance every now and again. The pressure must be massive knowing you might be judged on one night only.

      Milner was awful and I know there's a few reasons that could have contributed to that but he struggled with even the basics and doesn't look either fit or in form enough at the moment.

      Sturridge, Moreno amd Mignolet really do need changing in the Summer. The drop of quality from the lads they're meant to be pressuring for a space is absolutely massive.

      I honestly can't undertand why we didn't keep Clyne for the season if not even a week after this game. We really aren't in the position to be making our squad thinner in January. While Klopp is believed to be a man who doesn't stand in the way of players who want out I would love a change of tact on that for four months while we are in a really good position yet one or two injuries away from the wheels falling off completely.

      Brighton is f**king huge.
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      Re: Wolverhampton Wanderers 2-1 Liverpool: In game and Post Match discussion
      Reply #964: Jan 09, 2019 02:27:40 pm
      I, personally, have no issue with debate at any time.

      I, personally, just get bored with shouty, ignorant morons who think it’s really important everyone knows a) what they think; b) how pissed off they are that the manager doesn’t just do what they they think and c) pick the players they like.

      Same posts win or lose and same targets.

      That is not a debate. That’s seeing things as we actually are not as they, in fact, are.

      So why not try to change that person's opinion rather than just call them every name under the sun and accuse them of not being a fan etc. By the way I'm not saying that you do this, but there are plenty who are like this. I am more than happy to debate my point of view, but all to often its just a couple of keyboard warriors who gang up and shout me and others down without even trying to debate.
      I have had my option changed in the past through well argued posts, but I will never change my point of view by someone calling me names.
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      Re: Wolverhampton Wanderers 2-1 Liverpool: In game and Post Match discussion
      Reply #965: Jan 09, 2019 04:41:38 pm
      I think that's one of the most ridiculous things I've ever read to be honest.

      He's not far wrong though. You see more at the match than on the telly and another undeniable fact is match regulars talkk more sense than half the tw*ts on the internet.
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      Re: Wolverhampton Wanderers 2-1 Liverpool: In game and Post Match discussion
      Reply #966: Jan 09, 2019 04:49:16 pm
      He's not far wrong though. You see more at the match than on the telly and another undeniable fact is match regulars talkk more sense than half the tw*ts on the internet.


      the game looks different even from the point of view where your seated in the ground you have one angle but you can see more than just the picture the Camera shows. You can also hear more from the players and see how fluid the whole team is but the TV can show more angles and occasionally get someone to analyse without talking crap. If you have played the game and spent more than enough time at Anfield from the Boys pen to the Kop you can still see on here who is talking out of there arse and then spend almost an entire page trying to prove it.
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      Re: Wolverhampton Wanderers 2-1 Liverpool: In game and Post Match discussion
      Reply #967: Jan 09, 2019 04:52:11 pm
      So why not try to change that person's opinion rather than just call them every name under the sun and accuse them of not being a fan etc. By the way I'm not saying that you do this, but there are plenty who are like this. I am more than happy to debate my point of view, but all to often its just a couple of keyboard warriors who gang up and shout me and others down without even trying to debate.
      I have had my option changed in the past through well argued posts, but I will never change my point of view by someone calling me names.

      You and I have been involved in a few arguments on here as you know, but I find you far more interesting than I do somebody like Walton for example who is only interested in quoting the likes of us to abuse us, then say the usual 'klopp knows more than you' etc.

      I may not always agree with you, but I like the way you're very opinionated and you're not a sheep. You're one of my favourite posters on here regardless whether I agree with you or whether I that you're completely wrong too.
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      Re: Wolverhampton Wanderers 2-1 Liverpool: In game and Post Match discussion
      Reply #968: Jan 09, 2019 04:55:09 pm
      He's not far wrong though. You see more at the match than on the telly and another undeniable fact is match regulars talkk more sense than half the tw*ts on the internet.


      You see more off the ball at a game but I’d argue you see more on the ball action on telly, just a much better view of close control etc.

      Your going to get your spread of morons worldwide, some support Liverpool, some don’t, some go to games, some don’t
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      Re: Wolverhampton Wanderers 2-1 Liverpool: In game and Post Match discussion
      Reply #969: Jan 09, 2019 05:00:04 pm
      You see more off the ball at a game but I’d argue you see more on the ball action on telly, just a much better view of close control etc.

      Your going to get your spread of morons worldwide, some support Liverpool, some don’t, some go to games, some don’t

      I wouldn't, the cameras spend half the time showing either replays or focusing whats going on in the technical area like during the city game, missing bits of the game cos sky were more arsed about Pep having his bi*ch fit.
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      Reply #970: Jan 09, 2019 07:24:13 pm
      I wouldn't, the cameras spend half the time showing either replays or focusing whats going on in the technical area like during the city game, missing bits of the game cos sky were more arsed about Pep having his bi*ch fit.
      Was just thinking this as I read. Lately the directors seem much apt to show a replay or close up at inopportune times, and then we often don't get a replay of what was missed.

      As to on TV vs at the match: I always get a better sense of how the match is going if there in person. At home you might know better if an offside ruling was correct, that kind of thing, but for 99 percent of the viewing experience, I'll take in the stand over on the couch anytime.

      As to fans talking crap, I've been to Anfield 6 times and have generally loved the banter/commentary from those around me. The only exception was a match where this fellow behind me wearing headphones kept shouting out fine details of I think it was a Stoke City match. Had nothing to do with our place in the table or anything, he just wanted everyone to know!  :)
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      Reply #971: Jan 09, 2019 07:35:54 pm
      I wouldn't, the cameras spend half the time showing either replays or focusing whats going on in the technical area like during the city game, missing bits of the game cos sky were more arsed about Pep having his bi*ch fit.

      Good point about Sky I must say
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      Reply #972: Jan 09, 2019 08:02:55 pm
      Self important?

      What about the posters who continue to over praise certain players then? Why don't they get on your nerves?

      The thing is, and I've said this many times, I will happily admit and say a player has had a good game even if I don't particularly rate them. If I thought Moreno was motm on Monday then I'd have said so no problem, even though I think he's dog turd and want him out of this club.

      It's no secret I don't like Henderson or Lovren and I seriously worry that both could hinder our chances at silverware. The times I do think they've played well I say so in my post match opinions though. Look through them if you don't believe me, you'll find some.

      The people who continue to defend such players never admit they've had a sh*t game though, and that clearly frustrates posters as much as the likes of yourself who get annoyed when somebody blasts them which you find unfair. It's also unfair coming on here and reading the same old over the top praise bullshit as well.

      Funny place this forum. People stick to their guns and just argue for arguments sake. They've set their stall out and that's it now. I don't though. I just say things as I see them, game by game.

      I love our front three for example, but I've said many times that they haven't played well. I like James Milner, but he was f**king terrible on Monday. I like Trent, but he has shockers from time to time as well. I could go on and on.

      Anybody who can't have a proper conversation or discussion about the match afterwards who get deeply offended if there is a slight criticism about the team who they support neee to grow up. It's behaviour you get from a 9 year old who runs home because his mate said something nasty.

      It's a bloody football forum. It's our chance to voice our thoughts l. It's our chance to be a pretend manager and tell people what we'd do in klopps shoes. Or it's our chance to be Carra and analyse the game in our own way.

      Yet people come on here, quote them and resort to name calling. And the funny thing is, the only thing they themselves can come up with is 'klopp knows best' and 'if it's ok with klopp then it's ok with me'. They're the idiots on here. I don't even know why they bother coming on, they literally offer nothing.

      Funny thing is, you also resort to name calling or dismiss other people's opinion by calling them ''deluded'' or have no ''knowledge of football''.

      double standard much?
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      Re: Wolverhampton Wanderers 2-1 Liverpool: In game and Post Match discussion
      Reply #973: Jan 09, 2019 08:16:29 pm
      In isolation as a one off - possibly I’d agree.

      The same monotonous, self important drone all the time though is disruptive.

      It adds no value to any debate and often acts as a disincentive to others.
      what about a game where a player hardly touched the ball, then somebody comes on here and says that he's the man on the match out of fanboyism knowing damn well people are getting bored of it and then when people say he was average all of a sudden they get sworn at? The abuse always goes towards the fans who say a player has been average and not when a fan exaggerated a performance.
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      Re: Wolverhampton Wanderers 2-1 Liverpool: In game and Post Match discussion
      Reply #974: Jan 09, 2019 08:43:34 pm
      what about a game where a player hardly touched the ball, then somebody comes on here and says that he's the man on the match out of fanboyism knowing damn well people are getting bored of it and then when people say he was average all of a sudden they get sworn at? The abuse always goes towards the fans who say a player has been average and not when a fan exaggerated a performance.

      What about full stops and paragraphs Ribs?  :f_tongueincheek:

      To answer your question - to some extent I agree with you - but I think it’s a Chicken and egg scenario.

      There’s very, very few out and out “fanboys” (in my opinion) on here. There’s a good few obsessive haters though.

      Any personal obsession is selfish, distorting and boring as fuckity doodle doo.
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      Re: Wolverhampton Wanderers 2-1 Liverpool: In game and Post Match discussion
      Reply #975: Jan 09, 2019 08:57:40 pm
      I think Lee Dixon is who said Liverpool's biggest obstacle to winning this season will be the pressure generated by how much supporters want/need it to happen.  It really is palpable with our group, and I think that has something to do with all the slagging that goes on here.  Not counting a few windup dolls just here to stoke dissent (these I put on ignore, like German Panzer) I always get good food for thought on here. I often don't agree with Heimdall and Hamann's the Man for instance, but they usually give me food for thought. Same w Walton, Swab and Scotia who perhaps line up on a differing side. I don't doubt all of the above are Reds through and through, and we all want to see our team lift the trophy at the end of the season.

      Maybe a little less infighting here wouldn't hurt.
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      Re: Wolverhampton Wanderers 2-1 Liverpool: In game and Post Match discussion
      Reply #976: Jan 09, 2019 09:07:17 pm
      opinions are like arseholes we all have one but I know a few things I am certain of. Jürgen knows more about his players than anyone on this forum yet some think they know how to select a team more than he does. Jürgen has more information about his players than any previous manager the level of detail sports science etc have is simply incredible. More importantly he sees them day in day out and he sees how they train and how they interact with one another so I am not going to side with someone who thinks they know how to pick or set up a team better than the Boss.
      The other is fairly simple and maybe its an old fashioned upbringing. During Shankly's era and after I had an Auntie who's son was a ticket agent and she found out all the Birthdays of the players and would send them a Birthday card she would never hear a bad word said about any of them so as long as they have a Red shirt on and try their best they will get my support.
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      Re: Wolverhampton Wanderers 2-1 Liverpool: In game and Post Match discussion
      Reply #977: Jan 09, 2019 09:15:11 pm
      Got to admit there are some on here who fiercely protect their favourite players and should start to take into account others views . If someone doesn't play well or plays well then the critical comments and praise should go hand in hand
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      Re: Wolverhampton Wanderers 2-1 Liverpool: In game and Post Match discussion
      Reply #978: Jan 09, 2019 09:23:37 pm
      It absolutely all gets polarised.

      I just find some of the latest narrative “we should be allowed to blame the same players we hate regardless of what actually happened and not be called on it” comically passive aggressive to be honest.

      If that’s a valid opinion so is “you’re talking sh*te again, shouty”.....

      Whatever - maybe everything / everyone has a shelf life? 🙄



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      Re: Wolverhampton Wanderers 2-1 Liverpool: In game and Post Match discussion
      Reply #979: Jan 09, 2019 09:44:47 pm
      Was all for resting VVD and Robbo but was desperate to stay in the cup. We made far too many changes. That was the easiest of the 3 possible competitions to win.

      Man City play a reasonably strong team at home to a League 1 team and win 9-0. They showed their opposition more respect than we did.
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      Re: Wolverhampton Wanderers 2-1 Liverpool: In game and Post Match discussion
      Reply #980: Jan 09, 2019 11:17:33 pm
      Man City play a reasonably strong team at home to a League 1 team and win 9-0. They showed their opposition more respect than we did.

      Are you seriously comparing a game vs a midtable League 1 team at home with a strong Premier League team away?!

      Man City played Burton Albion and demolished them. They played Walker, Mahrez, Silva, Sane, KDB, Gabriel Jesus, B.Silva etc. All but the CB and the keeper are first team players. Reason they could do that? They have a bigger squad and no injuries other than Mendy. They have Jesus and Mahrez as back up to Aguero and Sterling, we have Origi and Sturridge for Firmino and Salah/Mane. We had 1 CB available and he went off after a few minutes.

      We played near enough a full strength Wolves team and were narrowly beaten. First goal a number of individual mistakes gifting them a goal, we had more of the ball, had maybe 1 or 2 more attempts at goal and hit the post. Remembering that this is a Wolves team that have proven more than a match for the top teams this season. We played a heavily rotated team and matched them to be honest, there wasn’t much between the teams.

      It’s not a case of showing respect to the opposition. If you are showing respect to opposition then you just knock the ball around and just see the game out at 5/6-0, not go on to completely humiliate a team 9-0, a team that will be aiming to finish mid table in a few divisions lower and was put together on about £1mill compared to a £500mill City team. When City play a rotates team like we did in the 2nd leg, will you be saying they are showing a lack of class to the opposition? Humiliating them with a very strong line up and then humiliating them again by just playing kids because they know the game is a waste of time for everybody involved?

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      Reply #981: Jan 09, 2019 11:21:51 pm
      Are you seriously comparing a game vs a midtable League 1 team at home with a strong Premier League team away?!

      Man City played Burton Albion and demolished them. They played Walker, Mahrez, Silva, Sane, KDB, Gabriel Jesus, B.Silva etc. All but the CB and the keeper are first team players. Reason they could do that? They have a bigger squad and no injuries other than Mendy. They have Jesus and Mahrez as back up to Aguero and Sterling, we have Origi and Sturridge for Firmino and Salah/Mane. We had 1 CB available and he went off after a few minutes.

      We played near enough a full strength Wolves team and were narrowly beaten. First goal a number of individual mistakes gifting them a goal, we had more of the ball, had maybe 1 or 2 more attempts at goal and hit the post. Remembering that this is a Wolves team that have proven more than a match for the top teams this season. We played a heavily rotated team and matched them to be honest, there wasn’t much between the teams.

      It’s not a case of showing respect to the opposition. If you are showing respect to opposition then you just knock the ball around and just see the game out at 5/6-0, not go on to completely humiliate a team 9-0, a team that will be aiming to finish mid table in a few divisions lower and was put together on about £1mill compared to a £500mill City team.



      Makes you wonder some on here would prefer we try and win a Mickey Mouse trophy rather than the league!
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      Re: Wolverhampton Wanderers 2-1 Liverpool: In game and Post Match discussion
      Reply #982: Jan 10, 2019 12:30:33 am
      Are you seriously comparing a game vs a midtable League 1 team at home with a strong Premier League team away?!

      Man City played Burton Albion and demolished them. They played Walker, Mahrez, Silva, Sane, KDB, Gabriel Jesus, B.Silva etc. All but the CB and the keeper are first team players. Reason they could do that? They have a bigger squad and no injuries other than Mendy. They have Jesus and Mahrez as back up to Aguero and Sterling, we have Origi and Sturridge for Firmino and Salah/Mane. We had 1 CB available and he went off after a few minutes.

      We played near enough a full strength Wolves team and were narrowly beaten. First goal a number of individual mistakes gifting them a goal, we had more of the ball, had maybe 1 or 2 more attempts at goal and hit the post. Remembering that this is a Wolves team that have proven more than a match for the top teams this season. We played a heavily rotated team and matched them to be honest, there wasn’t much between the teams.

      It’s not a case of showing respect to the opposition. If you are showing respect to opposition then you just knock the ball around and just see the game out at 5/6-0, not go on to completely humiliate a team 9-0, a team that will be aiming to finish mid table in a few divisions lower and was put together on about £1mill compared to a £500mill City team. When City play a rotates team like we did in the 2nd leg, will you be saying they are showing a lack of class to the opposition? Humiliating them with a very strong line up and then humiliating them again by just playing kids because they know the game is a waste of time for everybody involved?



      Were you alive when we scored 10 v fulham, 8 v swansea and stoke, 7 v york etc in cup games? Respecting teams ? What a load of bollocks
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      Re: Wolverhampton Wanderers 2-1 Liverpool: In game and Post Match discussion
      Reply #983: Jan 10, 2019 12:55:37 am
      Were you alive when we scored 10 v fulham, 8 v swansea and stoke, 7 v york etc in cup games? Respecting teams ? What a load of bollocks

      I’m not the one saying to show respect to teams...
      My point was that don’t accuse us of showing no respect when nobody else. It’s every team for themselves on that pitch.
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      Re: Wolverhampton Wanderers 2-1 Liverpool: In game and Post Match discussion
      Reply #984: Jan 10, 2019 06:17:36 am
      opinions are like arseholes we all have one but I know a few things I am certain of. Jürgen knows more about his players than anyone on this forum yet some think they know how to select a team more than he does. Jürgen has more information about his players than any previous manager the level of detail sports science etc have is simply incredible. More importantly he sees them day in day out and he sees how they train and how they interact with one another so I am not going to side with someone who thinks they know how to pick or set up a team better than the Boss.
      The other is fairly simple and maybe its an old fashioned upbringing. During Shankly's era and after I had an Auntie who's son was a ticket agent and she found out all the Birthdays of the players and would send them a Birthday card she would never hear a bad word said about any of them so as long as they have a Red shirt on and try their best they will get my support.

      What are you waffling on about
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      Re: Wolverhampton Wanderers 2-1 Liverpool: In game and Post Match discussion
      Reply #985: Jan 10, 2019 06:21:37 am
      Funny thing is, you also resort to name calling or dismiss other people's opinion by calling them ''deluded'' or have no ''knowledge of football''.

      double standard much?

      I've been guilty of name calling a few times yes, but every single time without fail it has been in response to something towards me first.

      Two wrongs don't make a right but if somebody abused me to my face I wouldn't just ignore it so why should I on a forum?
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      Re: Wolverhampton Wanderers 2-1 Liverpool: In game and Post Match discussion
      Reply #986: Jan 10, 2019 07:50:50 am
      Self important?

      What about the posters who continue to over praise certain players then? Why don't they get on your nerves?

      The thing is, and I've said this many times, I will happily admit and say a player has had a good game even if I don't particularly rate them. If I thought Moreno was motm on Monday then I'd have said so no problem, even though I think he's dog turd and want him out of this club.

      It's no secret I don't like Henderson or Lovren and I seriously worry that both could hinder our chances at silverware. The times I do think they've played well I say so in my post match opinions though. Look through them if you don't believe me, you'll find some.

      The people who continue to defend such players never admit they've had a sh*t game though, and that clearly frustrates posters as much as the likes of yourself who get annoyed when somebody blasts them which you find unfair. It's also unfair coming on here and reading the same old over the top praise bullshit as well.

      Funny place this forum. People stick to their guns and just argue for arguments sake. They've set their stall out and that's it now. I don't though. I just say things as I see them, game by game.

      I love our front three for example, but I've said many times that they haven't played well. I like James Milner, but he was f**king terrible on Monday. I like Trent, but he has shockers from time to time as well. I could go on and on.

      Anybody who can't have a proper conversation or discussion about the match afterwards who get deeply offended if there is a slight criticism about the team who they support neee to grow up. It's behaviour you get from a 9 year old who runs home because his mate said something nasty.

      It's a bloody football forum. It's our chance to voice our thoughts l. It's our chance to be a pretend manager and tell people what we'd do in klopps shoes. Or it's our chance to be Carra and analyse the game in our own way.

      Yet people come on here, quote them and resort to name calling. And the funny thing is, the only thing they themselves can come up with is 'klopp knows best' and 'if it's ok with klopp then it's ok with me'. They're the idiots on here. I don't even know why they bother coming on, they literally offer nothing.

      I’ve said elsewhere - I think it’s chicken and egg to be perfectly honest and everything gets polarised.

      I find the relentless agenda with some players dull and some just don’t think they’re good enough and always consider them the problem.

      Maybe both need to be more circumspect. I certainly don’t intend to stop reasoned debate but, clearly, I’m part of the current problem - which is f***in’ ludicrous in what is shaping up as our best season in damned near 30 years......

      I dunno.

      I hate the way this place has become so factionalised - all I wanna do is have a proper chat and a laugh about the mighty reds.

      My nature in life is not to wail and gnash my teeth - just wastes time and emotion I think.....so I don’t dwell on setbacks. I prefer action to words and intrinsically try to focus on what comes next / needs to improve.

      Good luck to you and the rest of reds I’ve crossed swords with over the last few months.

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      Re: Wolverhampton Wanderers 2-1 Liverpool: In game and Post Match discussion
      Reply #987: Jan 10, 2019 08:05:30 am
      I’ve said elsewhere - I think it’s chicken and egg to be perfectly honest and everything gets polarised.

      I find the relentless agenda with some players dull and some just don’t think they’re good enough and always consider them the problem.

      Maybe both need to be more circumspect. I certainly don’t intend to stop reasoned debate but, clearly, I’m part of the current problem - which is f***in’ ludicrous in what is shaping up as our best season in damned near 30 years......

      I dunno.

      I hate the way this place has become so factionalised - all I wanna do is have a proper chat and a laugh about the mighty reds.

      My nature in life is not to wail and gnash my teeth - just wastes time and emotion I think.....so I don’t dwell on setbacks. I prefer action to words and intrinsically try to focus on what comes next / needs to improve.

      Good luck to you and the rest of reds I’ve crossed swords with over the last few months.



      Al don't stop posting your well reasoned and logical posts.If you stop posting because of a minority they will win  and they don't deserve to win.
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      Re: Wolverhampton Wanderers 2-1 Liverpool: In game and Post Match discussion
      Reply #988: Jan 10, 2019 11:15:37 am
      I’ve said elsewhere - I think it’s chicken and egg to be perfectly honest and everything gets polarised.

      I find the relentless agenda with some players dull and some just don’t think they’re good enough and always consider them the problem.

      Maybe both need to be more circumspect. I certainly don’t intend to stop reasoned debate but, clearly, I’m part of the current problem - which is f***in’ ludicrous in what is shaping up as our best season in damned near 30 years......

      I dunno.

      I hate the way this place has become so factionalised - all I wanna do is have a proper chat and a laugh about the mighty reds.

      My nature in life is not to wail and gnash my teeth - just wastes time and emotion I think.....so I don’t dwell on setbacks. I prefer action to words and intrinsically try to focus on what comes next / needs to improve.

      Good luck to you and the rest of reds I’ve crossed swords with over the last few months.




      Maybe your just going soft mate  ;)  xxxxx:action-smiley-065:



      YNWA



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      Re: Wolverhampton Wanderers 2-1 Liverpool: In game and Post Match discussion
      Reply #989: Jan 10, 2019 11:31:38 am
      Are you seriously comparing a game vs a midtable League 1 team at home with a strong Premier League team away?!

      Man City played Burton Albion and demolished them. They played Walker, Mahrez, Silva, Sane, KDB, Gabriel Jesus, B.Silva etc. All but the CB and the keeper are first team players. Reason they could do that? They have a bigger squad and no injuries other than Mendy. They have Jesus and Mahrez as back up to Aguero and Sterling, we have Origi and Sturridge for Firmino and Salah/Mane. We had 1 CB available and he went off after a few minutes.

      We played near enough a full strength Wolves team and were narrowly beaten. First goal a number of individual mistakes gifting them a goal, we had more of the ball, had maybe 1 or 2 more attempts at goal and hit the post. Remembering that this is a Wolves team that have proven more than a match for the top teams this season. We played a heavily rotated team and matched them to be honest, there wasn’t much between the teams.

      It’s not a case of showing respect to the opposition. If you are showing respect to opposition then you just knock the ball around and just see the game out at 5/6-0, not go on to completely humiliate a team 9-0, a team that will be aiming to finish mid table in a few divisions lower and was put together on about £1mill compared to a £500mill City team. When City play a rotates team like we did in the 2nd leg, will you be saying they are showing a lack of class to the opposition? Humiliating them with a very strong line up and then humiliating them again by just playing kids because they know the game is a waste of time for everybody involved?




      My question is 'what were they trying to prove' ?
      To field such a strong side against a side like Burton is akin to a sledgehammer to a nut analogy, did they think that they were actually in danger of not reaching the final over two legs,
      Why not field a side with more than a few kids and see how they faired, they had the extra security of a second leg incase tits went north,
      It makes no sense whatsoever to completely humiliate those Burton players, totally unnecessary,
      If i were Nigel Clough, id field the Burton ressies in the second leg, why put your players through that again, their confidence is already shattered X9, to a point where it could actually affect their league campaign,

      I'm all for seeing plenty goals but, it became embarrassing to watch and in the end i actually felt really sorry for Burton Albion.



      YNWA

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