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      Wolverhampton Wanderers 2-1 Liverpool: In game and Post Match discussion

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      Re: Wolverhampton Wanderers 2-1 Liverpool: In game and Post Match discussion
      Reply #975: Jan 09, 2019 09:07:17 pm
      opinions are like arseholes we all have one but I know a few things I am certain of. Jürgen knows more about his players than anyone on this forum yet some think they know how to select a team more than he does. Jürgen has more information about his players than any previous manager the level of detail sports science etc have is simply incredible. More importantly he sees them day in day out and he sees how they train and how they interact with one another so I am not going to side with someone who thinks they know how to pick or set up a team better than the Boss.
      The other is fairly simple and maybe its an old fashioned upbringing. During Shankly's era and after I had an Auntie who's son was a ticket agent and she found out all the Birthdays of the players and would send them a Birthday card she would never hear a bad word said about any of them so as long as they have a Red shirt on and try their best they will get my support.
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      Re: Wolverhampton Wanderers 2-1 Liverpool: In game and Post Match discussion
      Reply #976: Jan 09, 2019 09:15:11 pm
      Got to admit there are some on here who fiercely protect their favourite players and should start to take into account others views . If someone doesn't play well or plays well then the critical comments and praise should go hand in hand
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      Re: Wolverhampton Wanderers 2-1 Liverpool: In game and Post Match discussion
      Reply #977: Jan 09, 2019 09:23:37 pm
      It absolutely all gets polarised.

      I just find some of the latest narrative “we should be allowed to blame the same players we hate regardless of what actually happened and not be called on it” comically passive aggressive to be honest.

      If that’s a valid opinion so is “you’re talking sh*te again, shouty”.....

      Whatever - maybe everything / everyone has a shelf life? 🙄



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      Re: Wolverhampton Wanderers 2-1 Liverpool: In game and Post Match discussion
      Reply #978: Jan 09, 2019 09:44:47 pm
      Was all for resting VVD and Robbo but was desperate to stay in the cup. We made far too many changes. That was the easiest of the 3 possible competitions to win.

      Man City play a reasonably strong team at home to a League 1 team and win 9-0. They showed their opposition more respect than we did.
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      Re: Wolverhampton Wanderers 2-1 Liverpool: In game and Post Match discussion
      Reply #979: Jan 09, 2019 11:17:33 pm
      Man City play a reasonably strong team at home to a League 1 team and win 9-0. They showed their opposition more respect than we did.

      Are you seriously comparing a game vs a midtable League 1 team at home with a strong Premier League team away?!

      Man City played Burton Albion and demolished them. They played Walker, Mahrez, Silva, Sane, KDB, Gabriel Jesus, B.Silva etc. All but the CB and the keeper are first team players. Reason they could do that? They have a bigger squad and no injuries other than Mendy. They have Jesus and Mahrez as back up to Aguero and Sterling, we have Origi and Sturridge for Firmino and Salah/Mane. We had 1 CB available and he went off after a few minutes.

      We played near enough a full strength Wolves team and were narrowly beaten. First goal a number of individual mistakes gifting them a goal, we had more of the ball, had maybe 1 or 2 more attempts at goal and hit the post. Remembering that this is a Wolves team that have proven more than a match for the top teams this season. We played a heavily rotated team and matched them to be honest, there wasn’t much between the teams.

      It’s not a case of showing respect to the opposition. If you are showing respect to opposition then you just knock the ball around and just see the game out at 5/6-0, not go on to completely humiliate a team 9-0, a team that will be aiming to finish mid table in a few divisions lower and was put together on about £1mill compared to a £500mill City team. When City play a rotates team like we did in the 2nd leg, will you be saying they are showing a lack of class to the opposition? Humiliating them with a very strong line up and then humiliating them again by just playing kids because they know the game is a waste of time for everybody involved?

      « Last Edit: Jan 09, 2019 11:22:32 pm by 7-King Kenny-7 »
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      Re: Wolverhampton Wanderers 2-1 Liverpool: In game and Post Match discussion
      Reply #980: Jan 09, 2019 11:21:51 pm
      Are you seriously comparing a game vs a midtable League 1 team at home with a strong Premier League team away?!

      Man City played Burton Albion and demolished them. They played Walker, Mahrez, Silva, Sane, KDB, Gabriel Jesus, B.Silva etc. All but the CB and the keeper are first team players. Reason they could do that? They have a bigger squad and no injuries other than Mendy. They have Jesus and Mahrez as back up to Aguero and Sterling, we have Origi and Sturridge for Firmino and Salah/Mane. We had 1 CB available and he went off after a few minutes.

      We played near enough a full strength Wolves team and were narrowly beaten. First goal a number of individual mistakes gifting them a goal, we had more of the ball, had maybe 1 or 2 more attempts at goal and hit the post. Remembering that this is a Wolves team that have proven more than a match for the top teams this season. We played a heavily rotated team and matched them to be honest, there wasn’t much between the teams.

      It’s not a case of showing respect to the opposition. If you are showing respect to opposition then you just knock the ball around and just see the game out at 5/6-0, not go on to completely humiliate a team 9-0, a team that will be aiming to finish mid table in a few divisions lower and was put together on about £1mill compared to a £500mill City team.



      Makes you wonder some on here would prefer we try and win a Mickey Mouse trophy rather than the league!
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      Re: Wolverhampton Wanderers 2-1 Liverpool: In game and Post Match discussion
      Reply #981: Jan 10, 2019 12:30:33 am
      Are you seriously comparing a game vs a midtable League 1 team at home with a strong Premier League team away?!

      Man City played Burton Albion and demolished them. They played Walker, Mahrez, Silva, Sane, KDB, Gabriel Jesus, B.Silva etc. All but the CB and the keeper are first team players. Reason they could do that? They have a bigger squad and no injuries other than Mendy. They have Jesus and Mahrez as back up to Aguero and Sterling, we have Origi and Sturridge for Firmino and Salah/Mane. We had 1 CB available and he went off after a few minutes.

      We played near enough a full strength Wolves team and were narrowly beaten. First goal a number of individual mistakes gifting them a goal, we had more of the ball, had maybe 1 or 2 more attempts at goal and hit the post. Remembering that this is a Wolves team that have proven more than a match for the top teams this season. We played a heavily rotated team and matched them to be honest, there wasn’t much between the teams.

      It’s not a case of showing respect to the opposition. If you are showing respect to opposition then you just knock the ball around and just see the game out at 5/6-0, not go on to completely humiliate a team 9-0, a team that will be aiming to finish mid table in a few divisions lower and was put together on about £1mill compared to a £500mill City team. When City play a rotates team like we did in the 2nd leg, will you be saying they are showing a lack of class to the opposition? Humiliating them with a very strong line up and then humiliating them again by just playing kids because they know the game is a waste of time for everybody involved?



      Were you alive when we scored 10 v fulham, 8 v swansea and stoke, 7 v york etc in cup games? Respecting teams ? What a load of bollocks
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      Re: Wolverhampton Wanderers 2-1 Liverpool: In game and Post Match discussion
      Reply #982: Jan 10, 2019 12:55:37 am
      Were you alive when we scored 10 v fulham, 8 v swansea and stoke, 7 v york etc in cup games? Respecting teams ? What a load of bollocks

      I’m not the one saying to show respect to teams...
      My point was that don’t accuse us of showing no respect when nobody else. It’s every team for themselves on that pitch.
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      Re: Wolverhampton Wanderers 2-1 Liverpool: In game and Post Match discussion
      Reply #983: Jan 10, 2019 06:17:36 am
      opinions are like arseholes we all have one but I know a few things I am certain of. Jürgen knows more about his players than anyone on this forum yet some think they know how to select a team more than he does. Jürgen has more information about his players than any previous manager the level of detail sports science etc have is simply incredible. More importantly he sees them day in day out and he sees how they train and how they interact with one another so I am not going to side with someone who thinks they know how to pick or set up a team better than the Boss.
      The other is fairly simple and maybe its an old fashioned upbringing. During Shankly's era and after I had an Auntie who's son was a ticket agent and she found out all the Birthdays of the players and would send them a Birthday card she would never hear a bad word said about any of them so as long as they have a Red shirt on and try their best they will get my support.

      What are you waffling on about
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      Re: Wolverhampton Wanderers 2-1 Liverpool: In game and Post Match discussion
      Reply #984: Jan 10, 2019 06:21:37 am
      Funny thing is, you also resort to name calling or dismiss other people's opinion by calling them ''deluded'' or have no ''knowledge of football''.

      double standard much?

      I've been guilty of name calling a few times yes, but every single time without fail it has been in response to something towards me first.

      Two wrongs don't make a right but if somebody abused me to my face I wouldn't just ignore it so why should I on a forum?
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      Re: Wolverhampton Wanderers 2-1 Liverpool: In game and Post Match discussion
      Reply #985: Jan 10, 2019 07:50:50 am
      Self important?

      What about the posters who continue to over praise certain players then? Why don't they get on your nerves?

      The thing is, and I've said this many times, I will happily admit and say a player has had a good game even if I don't particularly rate them. If I thought Moreno was motm on Monday then I'd have said so no problem, even though I think he's dog turd and want him out of this club.

      It's no secret I don't like Henderson or Lovren and I seriously worry that both could hinder our chances at silverware. The times I do think they've played well I say so in my post match opinions though. Look through them if you don't believe me, you'll find some.

      The people who continue to defend such players never admit they've had a sh*t game though, and that clearly frustrates posters as much as the likes of yourself who get annoyed when somebody blasts them which you find unfair. It's also unfair coming on here and reading the same old over the top praise bullshit as well.

      Funny place this forum. People stick to their guns and just argue for arguments sake. They've set their stall out and that's it now. I don't though. I just say things as I see them, game by game.

      I love our front three for example, but I've said many times that they haven't played well. I like James Milner, but he was f**king terrible on Monday. I like Trent, but he has shockers from time to time as well. I could go on and on.

      Anybody who can't have a proper conversation or discussion about the match afterwards who get deeply offended if there is a slight criticism about the team who they support neee to grow up. It's behaviour you get from a 9 year old who runs home because his mate said something nasty.

      It's a bloody football forum. It's our chance to voice our thoughts l. It's our chance to be a pretend manager and tell people what we'd do in klopps shoes. Or it's our chance to be Carra and analyse the game in our own way.

      Yet people come on here, quote them and resort to name calling. And the funny thing is, the only thing they themselves can come up with is 'klopp knows best' and 'if it's ok with klopp then it's ok with me'. They're the idiots on here. I don't even know why they bother coming on, they literally offer nothing.

      I’ve said elsewhere - I think it’s chicken and egg to be perfectly honest and everything gets polarised.

      I find the relentless agenda with some players dull and some just don’t think they’re good enough and always consider them the problem.

      Maybe both need to be more circumspect. I certainly don’t intend to stop reasoned debate but, clearly, I’m part of the current problem - which is f***in’ ludicrous in what is shaping up as our best season in damned near 30 years......

      I dunno.

      I hate the way this place has become so factionalised - all I wanna do is have a proper chat and a laugh about the mighty reds.

      My nature in life is not to wail and gnash my teeth - just wastes time and emotion I think.....so I don’t dwell on setbacks. I prefer action to words and intrinsically try to focus on what comes next / needs to improve.

      Good luck to you and the rest of reds I’ve crossed swords with over the last few months.

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      Re: Wolverhampton Wanderers 2-1 Liverpool: In game and Post Match discussion
      Reply #986: Jan 10, 2019 08:05:30 am
      I’ve said elsewhere - I think it’s chicken and egg to be perfectly honest and everything gets polarised.

      I find the relentless agenda with some players dull and some just don’t think they’re good enough and always consider them the problem.

      Maybe both need to be more circumspect. I certainly don’t intend to stop reasoned debate but, clearly, I’m part of the current problem - which is f***in’ ludicrous in what is shaping up as our best season in damned near 30 years......

      I dunno.

      I hate the way this place has become so factionalised - all I wanna do is have a proper chat and a laugh about the mighty reds.

      My nature in life is not to wail and gnash my teeth - just wastes time and emotion I think.....so I don’t dwell on setbacks. I prefer action to words and intrinsically try to focus on what comes next / needs to improve.

      Good luck to you and the rest of reds I’ve crossed swords with over the last few months.



      Al don't stop posting your well reasoned and logical posts.If you stop posting because of a minority they will win  and they don't deserve to win.
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      Re: Wolverhampton Wanderers 2-1 Liverpool: In game and Post Match discussion
      Reply #987: Jan 10, 2019 11:15:37 am
      I’ve said elsewhere - I think it’s chicken and egg to be perfectly honest and everything gets polarised.

      I find the relentless agenda with some players dull and some just don’t think they’re good enough and always consider them the problem.

      Maybe both need to be more circumspect. I certainly don’t intend to stop reasoned debate but, clearly, I’m part of the current problem - which is f***in’ ludicrous in what is shaping up as our best season in damned near 30 years......

      I dunno.

      I hate the way this place has become so factionalised - all I wanna do is have a proper chat and a laugh about the mighty reds.

      My nature in life is not to wail and gnash my teeth - just wastes time and emotion I think.....so I don’t dwell on setbacks. I prefer action to words and intrinsically try to focus on what comes next / needs to improve.

      Good luck to you and the rest of reds I’ve crossed swords with over the last few months.




      Maybe your just going soft mate  ;)  xxxxx:action-smiley-065:



      YNWA



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      Re: Wolverhampton Wanderers 2-1 Liverpool: In game and Post Match discussion
      Reply #988: Jan 10, 2019 11:31:38 am
      Are you seriously comparing a game vs a midtable League 1 team at home with a strong Premier League team away?!

      Man City played Burton Albion and demolished them. They played Walker, Mahrez, Silva, Sane, KDB, Gabriel Jesus, B.Silva etc. All but the CB and the keeper are first team players. Reason they could do that? They have a bigger squad and no injuries other than Mendy. They have Jesus and Mahrez as back up to Aguero and Sterling, we have Origi and Sturridge for Firmino and Salah/Mane. We had 1 CB available and he went off after a few minutes.

      We played near enough a full strength Wolves team and were narrowly beaten. First goal a number of individual mistakes gifting them a goal, we had more of the ball, had maybe 1 or 2 more attempts at goal and hit the post. Remembering that this is a Wolves team that have proven more than a match for the top teams this season. We played a heavily rotated team and matched them to be honest, there wasn’t much between the teams.

      It’s not a case of showing respect to the opposition. If you are showing respect to opposition then you just knock the ball around and just see the game out at 5/6-0, not go on to completely humiliate a team 9-0, a team that will be aiming to finish mid table in a few divisions lower and was put together on about £1mill compared to a £500mill City team. When City play a rotates team like we did in the 2nd leg, will you be saying they are showing a lack of class to the opposition? Humiliating them with a very strong line up and then humiliating them again by just playing kids because they know the game is a waste of time for everybody involved?




      My question is 'what were they trying to prove' ?
      To field such a strong side against a side like Burton is akin to a sledgehammer to a nut analogy, did they think that they were actually in danger of not reaching the final over two legs,
      Why not field a side with more than a few kids and see how they faired, they had the extra security of a second leg incase tits went north,
      It makes no sense whatsoever to completely humiliate those Burton players, totally unnecessary,
      If i were Nigel Clough, id field the Burton ressies in the second leg, why put your players through that again, their confidence is already shattered X9, to a point where it could actually affect their league campaign,

      I'm all for seeing plenty goals but, it became embarrassing to watch and in the end i actually felt really sorry for Burton Albion.



      YNWA
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      Re: Wolverhampton Wanderers 2-1 Liverpool: In game and Post Match discussion
      Reply #989: Jan 10, 2019 11:59:36 am
      You and I have been involved in a few arguments on here as you know, but I find you far more interesting than I do somebody like Walton for example who is only interested in quoting the likes of us to abuse us, then say the usual 'klopp knows more than you' etc.

      I may not always agree with you, but I like the way you're very opinionated and you're not a sheep. You're one of my favourite posters on here regardless whether I agree with you or whether I that you're completely wrong too.

      Likewise, I have no problem with someone having a differing opinion, it is after all the nature of a forum, but they have to be willing to defend and debate their position in a civil and respectful manner.
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      Re: Wolverhampton Wanderers 2-1 Liverpool: In game and Post Match discussion
      Reply #990: Jan 10, 2019 12:05:03 pm
      Are you seriously comparing a game vs a midtable League 1 team at home with a strong Premier League team away?!

      Man City played Burton Albion and demolished them. They played Walker, Mahrez, Silva, Sane, KDB, Gabriel Jesus, B.Silva etc. All but the CB and the keeper are first team players. Reason they could do that? They have a bigger squad and no injuries other than Mendy. They have Jesus and Mahrez as back up to Aguero and Sterling, we have Origi and Sturridge for Firmino and Salah/Mane. We had 1 CB available and he went off after a few minutes.

      We played near enough a full strength Wolves team and were narrowly beaten. First goal a number of individual mistakes gifting them a goal, we had more of the ball, had maybe 1 or 2 more attempts at goal and hit the post. Remembering that this is a Wolves team that have proven more than a match for the top teams this season. We played a heavily rotated team and matched them to be honest, there wasn’t much between the teams.

      It’s not a case of showing respect to the opposition. If you are showing respect to opposition then you just knock the ball around and just see the game out at 5/6-0, not go on to completely humiliate a team 9-0, a team that will be aiming to finish mid table in a few divisions lower and was put together on about £1mill compared to a £500mill City team. When City play a rotates team like we did in the 2nd leg, will you be saying they are showing a lack of class to the opposition? Humiliating them with a very strong line up and then humiliating them again by just playing kids because they know the game is a waste of time for everybody involved?



      That's a fair point plus Citeh knew win this game comfortably, as they did!!, then they can play their U23 team, if they want, in the return fixture, it was quite a smart move really. IN reality they could probably have played their U23 team in both legs, how the f did Burton get this far in to the competition, that is the biggest mystery to me, they are a very very average team

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