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      Liverpool 4-3 Crystal Palace: In game and Post Match discussion

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      Re: Liverpool 4-3 Crystal Palace: In game and Post Match discussion
      Reply #720: Jan 20, 2019 01:57:28 pm
      But the other thing, which is perhaps how irresponsible Shearer and MOTD are. Shearer was a bull of a player, good balance but not a flair player relying on balance and trickery but in calling Salah a diver how much does this type of crap bury itself into the subconscious  of watching refs.

      Could say Salah takes that risk when he does go down easily. We know diving is endemic or not far off it in the game. The main reason VAR was or is being introduced in the first place.

      Shearer wasn't above "going to ground when he felt the contact" either.
      In fact if memory serves, he did a fair bit of it.
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      Reply #721: Jan 20, 2019 02:09:30 pm
      Garth crooks saying great players don't dive, f**k me i assume he never watched Cristiano ronaldo play
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      Reply #722: Jan 20, 2019 02:18:18 pm
      There was contact yes,but it was still a dive from Salah, or certainly there was not enough contact for him to fall over in the way he did, BUT he is not the only one doing it.
      What I worry about now is that sooner or later we'll get a crucial penalty denied because he has built up a reputation, fairly or unfairly.

      I get the feeling it's a tactic or just Salah deciding he won't ever be caught in a situation like with Ramos in the final last year.
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      Reply #723: Jan 20, 2019 02:30:00 pm
      I’m disappointed he went to ground so easily - I personally don’t like it.

      But I f**king love him xxxx
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      Re: Liverpool 4-3 Crystal Palace: In game and Post Match discussion
      Reply #724: Jan 20, 2019 02:36:31 pm
      Aside from the annoying Salah thing, again, has to be said...Keita didn't impress, I mean he wasn't dire, he did play Bobby in but he just doesn't turn it on. I wanted him in yesterday. I do like him but the club won't wait.Huge bid has been reported, for Felix. Benfica are talking £100m +.

      So Nabby might not get another go anytime soon, unless he does something of note when he comes off the bench in the last 20 or so. Disappointed in the lad so far.
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      Reply #725: Jan 20, 2019 02:40:52 pm
      Aside from the annoying Salah thing, again, has to be said...Keita didn't impress, I mean he wasn't dire, he did play Bobby in but he just doesn't turn it on. I wanted him in yesterday. I do like him but the club won't wait.Huge bid has been reported, for Felix. Benfica are talking £100m +.

      So Nabby might not get another go anytime soon, unless he does something of note when he comes off the bench in the last 20 or so. Disappointed in the lad so far.

      I think everything we know about jurgen is that naby will get time, as for the felix stuff, smacks of bullshit to me
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      Reply #726: Jan 20, 2019 02:46:26 pm
      I think everything we know about jurgen is that naby will get time, as for the felix stuff, smacks of bullshit to me

      Yeah and we paid Benfica top money for Markovic...say no more..nudge nudge..
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      Reply #727: Jan 20, 2019 02:54:28 pm
      Yeah and we paid Benfica top money for Markovic...say no more..nudge nudge..

      Not really sure how that is relevant
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      Reply #728: Jan 20, 2019 03:29:27 pm

      I'm sending you the racing program today from Santa Anita in California. I'd like your tips on winners in races 1, 2 and 7, the Exacta in race 4, and the Trifecta in race 8. Thank you.
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      Reply #729: Jan 20, 2019 03:32:30 pm
      Garth crooks saying great players don't dive, f**k me i assume he never watched Cristiano ronaldo play

      or Neymar...
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      Reply #730: Jan 20, 2019 03:33:43 pm
      Garth crooks saying great players don't dive, f**k me i assume he never watched Cristiano ronaldo play

      or Messi, plenty of dives I've seen both of them go to ground easily.
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      Reply #731: Jan 20, 2019 03:36:06 pm
      Aside from the annoying Salah thing, again, has to be said...Keita didn't impress, I mean he wasn't dire, he did play Bobby in but he just doesn't turn it on. I wanted him in yesterday. I do like him but the club won't wait.Huge bid has been reported, for Felix. Benfica are talking £100m +.

      So Nabby might not get another go anytime soon, unless he does something of note when he comes off the bench in the last 20 or so. Disappointed in the lad so far.

      I hear what you're saying but yesterday was a pretty weird game all round, he needs a a good run of games for us to really see whether or not he can make it. I still say there's a good player there, but he just isn't quite on the same wavelength of his team mates at the moment, but I also recall that it took the Ox a while to settle as well.
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      Re: Liverpool 4-3 Crystal Palace: In game and Post Match discussion
      Reply #732: Jan 20, 2019 03:37:13 pm
      Seen online today that apparently Jon Moss was Milly’s teacher back in school.
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      Reply #733: Jan 20, 2019 04:10:11 pm
      Garth crooks saying great players don't dive, f**k me i assume he never watched Cristiano ronaldo play

      ......or Kane.
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      Reply #734: Jan 20, 2019 04:21:05 pm
      Seen online today that apparently Jon Moss was Milly’s teacher back in school.

      Breast feed him as well ?
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      Reply #735: Jan 20, 2019 04:44:56 pm
      Not really sure how that is relevant

      Relevant in the sense that it is difficult to judge a player who impresses in the Primeira, especially with such a high price tag. Not a lottery but something of a risk and that was the point I was cryptically suggesting.
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      Reply #736: Jan 20, 2019 04:56:07 pm
      Relevant in the sense that it is difficult to judge a player who impresses in the Primeira, especially with such a high price tag. Not a lottery but something of a risk and that was the point I was cryptically suggesting.

      Was that got to do with keita ?
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      Reply #737: Jan 20, 2019 05:05:58 pm

      Nowt..
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      Reply #738: Jan 20, 2019 05:51:56 pm
      Absolutely wild game that... but similar to last week against Brighton how many times have we seen those end in a frustrating draw. We were far from our best but we still managed to get it over the line, that’s what makes the difference, I couldn’t care less if City put 12 past Huddersfield today, they still cant close that gap and with every week we pull it out of the bag the more frustrating it gets for them.

      I think it would be healthier to have those hard fought 1-0 every week than that, but I’ll take it all the same.

      On to the next one.
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      Reply #739: Jan 20, 2019 08:56:56 pm
      Eventually got round to voting motm.
      Went for Mo for being a constant niucance to them and the quality of that first goal.
      And we move on 😊
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      Reply #740: Jan 20, 2019 09:32:24 pm
      I’m disappointed he went to ground so easily - I personally don’t like it.

      But I f**king love him xxxx

      Yeah he did go down after the contact but from what I saw he carried on playing immediately, tried a tackle, got back up. I didn't see him asking for a pen or foul.

      Maybe I'm biased but that's the way I saw it.
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      Reply #741: Jan 20, 2019 09:37:44 pm
      I think everything we know about jurgen is that naby will get time

      Obvious to everyone that Keita has not lit the touchpaper. Positive I'm clinging to is that Ox didn't get going till second half and he was actually from the same league! Also Firmino took his time and he was more involved.

      Keita judgement might be Christmas really 🤔
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      Reply #742: Jan 21, 2019 04:19:24 am
      Yeah he did go down after the contact but from what I saw he carried on playing immediately, tried a tackle, got back up. I didn't see him asking for a pen or foul.

      Maybe I'm biased but that's the way I saw it.

      Saw that too. How easily that moment got swept under the rug too. Never asked for foul, still kicked the ball after going down.
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      Reply #743: Jan 21, 2019 04:44:15 am
      No mention of VVD being held down for their second goal?
      Their player had hold of him from behind, just long enough so that he couldn't get up for the header.


      Spot f**king on mate. Ayew was holding VVD so he couldn't get a leap up in the air. If he wasn't Big Virg clears that easy. They tried letting that c**t Moss know but he didn't give a sh*t. Cheating cu*ts, it's not the first time it's happened this Season, either!!


      Seen online today that apparently Jon Moss was Milly’s teacher back in school.


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      Reply #744: Jan 21, 2019 08:50:47 am
      Spot f**king on mate. Ayew was holding VVD so he couldn't get a leap up in the air. If he wasn't Big Virg clears that easy. They tried letting that c**t Moss know but he didn't give a sh*t. Cheating cu*ts, it's not the first time it's happened this Season, either!!





      F***ing hell, how old is Moss then??
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      Reply #745: Jan 21, 2019 10:00:32 am
      Yeah he did go down after the contact but from what I saw he carried on playing immediately, tried a tackle, got back up. I didn't see him asking for a pen or foul.

      Maybe I'm biased but that's the way I saw it.

      Me too

      Saturday's as well for me was the first questionable one, every other one has been a penalty for me.
      Pisses me off a bit to be honest, defender gets the wrong side or gets done and pulls him back, strong contact or not and people have a go at the attacker? There's f**k all in the rules that say once you have been turned inside out that you can desperately try to grab the player.
      The Brighton one, there were 3 fouls on him
      The Newcastle one the defender pulls him having got done and is on the wrong side. Why does he pull him? Because he's desperate and wants to stop the shot/goal

      Yesterday I think he felt the first contact and expected the second which didn't come and made it look worse, but as you say he didn't claim, he knew it wasn't a pen either. But also the ref saw the initial contact and didn't feel it a dive either so didn't book him. His decision was contact, but not enough for a penalty.. play on

      Don't forget Mo gets kicked to f**k all game, constantly getting fouled and refs don't protect him.
      I think Huyton is on to something that maybe he's been told not to be too honest and get into physical battles because of what happened in the CL final against Ramos. An injury that was still bothering him until November when he finally took the strapping off during games

      Look back to this season against Bournemouth when that thug (Cook?) Stamped on his Achilles twice during the game, once when he stayed up and went on to score but even then the defender isn't booked after or condemned by the public for trying to injure someone because he's a f**king cart horse who can't legally stay with Mo

      Mo also isn't praised after situations like that when he stays up following constant kickings

      Double standards if you ask me

      I don't like diving but I also don't like thug defenders cheating by kicking and grabbing because they can't keep up

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      Reply #746: Jan 21, 2019 10:24:03 am
      Me too

      Saturday's as well for me was the first questionable one, every other one has been a penalty for me.
      Pisses me off a bit to be honest, defender gets the wrong side or gets done and pulls him back, strong contact or not and people have a go at the attacker? There's f**k all in the rules that say once you have been turned inside out that you can desperately try to grab the player.
      The Brighton one, there were 3 fouls on him
      The Newcastle one the defender pulls him having got done and is on the wrong side. Why does he pull him? Because he's desperate and wants to stop the shot/goal

      Yesterday I think he felt the first contact and expected the second which didn't come and made it look worse, but as you say he didn't claim, he knew it wasn't a pen either. But also the ref saw the initial contact and didn't feel it a dive either so didn't book him. His decision was contact, but not enough for a penalty.. play on

      Don't forget Mo gets kicked to f**k all game, constantly getting fouled and refs don't protect him.
      I think Huyton is on to something that maybe he's been told not to be too honest and get into physical battles because of what happened in the CL final against Ramos. An injury that was still bothering him until November when he finally took the strapping off during games

      Look back to this season against Bournemouth when that thug (Cook?) Stamped on his Achilles twice during the game, once when he stayed up and went on to score but even then the defender isn't booked after or condemned by the public for trying to injure someone because he's a f**king cart horse who can't legally stay with Mo

      Mo also isn't praised after situations like that when he stays up following constant kickings

      Double standards if you ask me

      I don't like diving but I also don't like thug defenders cheating by kicking and grabbing because they can't keep up



      I agree.

      Said in Mo’s thread I don’t think this is an accident.

      I genuinely think they’ve looked at it and said you can’t keep taking the hammer - so make defenders nervous about getting too tight.

      Not by diving - not excusing that - but by letting gravity do it’s thing when you get fouled.
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      Reply #747: Jan 21, 2019 10:44:18 am
      I agree.

      Said in Mo’s thread I don’t think this is an accident.

      I genuinely think they’ve looked at it and said you can’t keep taking the hammer - so make defenders nervous about getting too tight.

      Not by diving - not excusing that - but by letting gravity do it’s thing when you get fouled.

      Agree mate

      I guarantee that he's stayed on his feet more often having been kicked and pulled than he's gone down without

      Not sure why the balance isn't there when he's stayed up having been kicked or it's ignored

      To be honest I dont blame a defender that if he's been done he tries anything to stop him scoring, it's instinct, trying to stop the goal, pulling him back or whatever but it doenst mean it's not a foul
      You wouldn't want a defender to just give up once he's been done but if the ref sees it and says it's a foul then so be it

      I don't get the argument that, oh would he go down in the middle of the pitch from that

      Maybe maybe not, but the point is different, would the defender be so desperate and pull him back in the middle of the park?
      Ask yourself why the defenders are doing it before you castigate Salah.
      He's doing it out of need and being desperate to stop him scoring

      Yes is a contact sport, but there's a difference between say a shoulder to shoulder or a robust tackle than a desperate grab of a shoulder in the box or a mistimed swipe in the box.
      They are done through being desperate and not in control of a situation than a natural coming together or a 50/50 challenge

      I'm all for defenders going in hard and fair in the box.. but a grab of a shoulder being in the complete wrong position? They appear soft but for me they are to an extent worse than a wholehearted challenge that is mistimed and a penalty is awarded.. because they are done because you have one thing and one thing in mind and that's stopping the attacker in a  goalscoring area, there is literally no attempt to get the ball and therefore for me 100% penalties no matter how soft they look

      Same as grabbing and grappling at corners..  more pens should be awarded for that

      For me contact is allowed 100% but only when making genuine attempts for the ball.. If you have no interest or chance of getting the ball and your sole interest is stopping the player it's a penalty
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      Reply #748: Jan 21, 2019 10:51:26 am
      Agree mate

      I guarantee that he's stayed on his feet more often having been kicked and pulled than he's gone down without

      Not sure why the balance isn't there when he's stayed up having been kicked or it's ignored

      To be honest I dont blame a defender that if he's been done he tries anything to stop him scoring, it's instinct, trying to stop the goal, pulling him back or whatever but it doenst mean it's not a foul
      You wouldn't want a defender to just give up once he's been done but if the ref sees it and says it's a foul then so be it

      I don't get the argument that, oh would he go down in the middle of the pitch from that

      Maybe maybe not, but the point is different, would the defender be so desperate and pull him back in the middle of the park?
      Ask yourself why the defenders are doing it before you castigate Salah.
      He's doing it out of need and being desperate to stop him scoring

      Yes is a contact sport, but there's a difference between say a shoulder to shoulder or a robust tackle than a desperate grab of a shoulder in the box or a mistimed swipe in the box.
      They are done through being desperate and not in control of a situation than a natural coming together or a 50/50 challenge

      I'm all for defenders going in hard and fair in the box.. but a grab of a shoulder being in the complete wrong position? They appear soft but for me they are to an extent worse than a wholehearted challenge that is mistimed and a penalty is awarded.. because they are done because you have one thing and one thing in mind and that's stopping the attacker in a  goalscoring area, there is literally no attempt to get the ball and therefore for me 100% penalties no matter how soft they look

      Same as grabbing and grappling at corners..  more pens should be awarded for that

      For me contact is allowed 100% but only when making genuine attempts for the ball.. If you have no interest or chance of getting the ball and your sole interest is stopping the player it's a penalty

      All sound mate - the last para for me especially so.

      That’s what (I think) they’ve looked at now he’s moved into the middle.

      Less space so key that he gets chance to manoeuvre ball (which let’s face it he’s better at in right space than anyone in the league) without getting manhandled. Therefore you have to make them worried about being too tight.

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      Reply #749: Jan 21, 2019 11:19:27 am
      Harry Kane and Delle Ali are two of the biggest divers in the land and hardly ever get pulled up, but any Jonny foreigner try do that and the likes of Shearer are disgusted!

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