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      Frankly, Mr Shankly
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      Re: Feb News Stories, 2019
      Reply #75: Feb 20, 2019 09:33:49 pm

      Just about to come in and post that very tweet. Astonishing insight and one hell of an attack on Theresa May - not just politcally but personal as well. I'm sure Soubry has a lot more to tell. The three that left the Tories today is far more significant than the 8 who left Labour. Not just in terms of the fact it makes the Tories governing strategy so much harder, but that, historically, Tory splits are harder to come by than Labour ones. Even when subsumed by anti EU, far right infighting the pro EU contingent of the party had mystifyingly stayed put. Not any more. It doesn't say much for those pro EU Tories who are staying put though. If they really do care about putting country before party then you'd expect more people to join the three today.
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      Re: Feb News Stories, 2019
      Reply #76: Feb 21, 2019 12:05:08 pm
      Just about to come in and post that very tweet. Astonishing insight and one hell of an attack on Theresa May - not just politcally but personal as well. I'm sure Soubry has a lot more to tell. The three that left the Tories today is far more significant than the 8 who left Labour. Not just in terms of the fact it makes the Tories governing strategy so much harder, but that, historically, Tory splits are harder to come by than Labour ones. Even when subsumed by anti EU, far right infighting the pro EU contingent of the party had mystifyingly stayed put. Not any more. It doesn't say much for those pro EU Tories who are staying put though. If they really do care about putting country before party then you'd expect more people to join the three today.

      It'll be the usual drip feed won't it, to keep it in the news.
      Labour one day, tory the next, choreographed in advance and the media notified.

      It's all a bit silly.
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      Re: Feb News Stories, 2019
      Reply #77: Feb 21, 2019 01:37:18 pm
      Soubry says May is against being in a customs unions and the single market. May, she says has a problem with immigration.

      Well the 17.4 million people who voted to leave have a problem with immigration and the way we trade with the EU. That's basically why they voted to leave. Putting aside Soubry's "cheap labour" remarks, it could be argued that May is trying to stay true to the referendum result.

      I'm not in any way supporting May and I voted to remain. It should've been a cross party approach and the only reason May has consulted is because her own party voted her deal down.

      Staying in the customs union and the single market and carrying on with free movement is Brexit in name only.
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      Re: Feb News Stories, 2019
      Reply #78: Feb 22, 2019 02:29:48 pm
      Labour anti-Semitism claims: Jewish group backs Corbyn

      A network of Jewish Labour members has backed Jeremy Corbyn over claims the party has become "institutionally anti-Semitic" under his leadership.

      Some 200 Labour supporters signed a Jewish Voice for Labour letter calling Mr Corbyn's party a "crucial ally in the fight against bigotry".

      Anti-Semitism on the left is "abhorrent but relatively rare", it argues.

      The Board of Deputies of British Jews said the view ran "counter to the experiences of Jewish Labour members".

      On Wednesday, Labour front-bench MP Barry Gardiner made an emotional apology to Jewish people "let down" by the party.

      "We will not stop working until we have once again become a safe and welcoming political home for people from the Jewish community as from every other," Labour's international trade spokesman told the Commons.

      Seven MPs leave Labour in Corbyn protest
      Labour: 673 anti-Semitism reports in 10 months
      Shadow cabinet clash over anti-Semitism
      Liverpool Wavertree MP Luciana Berger quit the party for the new Independent Group on Monday, saying she had been subjected to "thousands of messages of anti-Semitic abuse and hate".

      Telling MPs she had been met with "obfuscation, smears, inaction and denial" after raising the problem, Ms Berger said she arrived at the "sickening conclusion" that the Labour Party was "institutionally anti-Semitic".

      But the letter drafted by Jewish Voice for Labour, which describes itself as offering "a space to explore and debate the many questions that are important to us as progressive Labour Jews", rejects the suggestion.

      'Formidable' record on campaigning

      "The Labour Party under the progressive leadership of Jeremy Corbyn is a crucial ally in the fight against bigotry and reaction," says the letter, published in the Guardian .

      "His lifetime record of campaigning for equality and human rights, including consistent support for initiatives against anti-Semitism, is formidable. His involvement strengthens this struggle."

      The group says the letter was signed by filmmaker Mike Leigh, writer Michael Rosen and author Gillian Slovo, as well as several academics and Walter Wolfgang, 93, who fled Nazi Germany as a child.

      It backs the Labour Party's endorsement of freedom of expression on Israel and on the rights of Palestinians.

      However, Board of Deputies President Marie van der Zyl said: "The usual bunch of anti-Semitism deniers have written to the Guardian to declare that anti-Jewish hate in the Labour Party is rare."

      She said the letter was "particularly disrespectful" to Ms Berger who had suffered "years of anti-Semitic abuse, much of it from fellow party members".

      "This crisis will only be ended once the denial stops and Labour takes this problem seriously. Our community cannot have any confidence in Labour until the leadership commits to action."

      Jewish Voice for Labour was formed in 2017 and has consistently backed Mr Corbyn's leadership.

      It is separate to the Jewish Labour Movement, formed in 1903, which has called extraordinary general meetings for 6 March, reportedly to discuss ending its 99-year affiliation with the Labour Party.


      https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-politics-47322921
         
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      Re: Feb News Stories, 2019
      Reply #79: Feb 22, 2019 02:52:33 pm
      Labour anti-Semitism claims: Jewish group backs Corbyn

      A network of Jewish Labour members has backed Jeremy Corbyn over claims the party has become "institutionally anti-Semitic" under his leadership.

      Some 200 Labour supporters signed a Jewish Voice for Labour letter calling Mr Corbyn's party a "crucial ally in the fight against bigotry".

      Anti-Semitism on the left is "abhorrent but relatively rare", it argues.

      The Board of Deputies of British Jews said the view ran "counter to the experiences of Jewish Labour members".

      On Wednesday, Labour front-bench MP Barry Gardiner made an emotional apology to Jewish people "let down" by the party.

      "We will not stop working until we have once again become a safe and welcoming political home for people from the Jewish community as from every other," Labour's international trade spokesman told the Commons.

      Seven MPs leave Labour in Corbyn protest
      Labour: 673 anti-Semitism reports in 10 months
      Shadow cabinet clash over anti-Semitism
      Liverpool Wavertree MP Luciana Berger quit the party for the new Independent Group on Monday, saying she had been subjected to "thousands of messages of anti-Semitic abuse and hate".

      Telling MPs she had been met with "obfuscation, smears, inaction and denial" after raising the problem, Ms Berger said she arrived at the "sickening conclusion" that the Labour Party was "institutionally anti-Semitic".

      But the letter drafted by Jewish Voice for Labour, which describes itself as offering "a space to explore and debate the many questions that are important to us as progressive Labour Jews", rejects the suggestion.

      'Formidable' record on campaigning

      "The Labour Party under the progressive leadership of Jeremy Corbyn is a crucial ally in the fight against bigotry and reaction," says the letter, published in the Guardian .

      "His lifetime record of campaigning for equality and human rights, including consistent support for initiatives against anti-Semitism, is formidable. His involvement strengthens this struggle."

      The group says the letter was signed by filmmaker Mike Leigh, writer Michael Rosen and author Gillian Slovo, as well as several academics and Walter Wolfgang, 93, who fled Nazi Germany as a child.

      It backs the Labour Party's endorsement of freedom of expression on Israel and on the rights of Palestinians.

      However, Board of Deputies President Marie van der Zyl said: "The usual bunch of anti-Semitism deniers have written to the Guardian to declare that anti-Jewish hate in the Labour Party is rare."

      She said the letter was "particularly disrespectful" to Ms Berger who had suffered "years of anti-Semitic abuse, much of it from fellow party members".

      "This crisis will only be ended once the denial stops and Labour takes this problem seriously. Our community cannot have any confidence in Labour until the leadership commits to action."

      Jewish Voice for Labour was formed in 2017 and has consistently backed Mr Corbyn's leadership.

      It is separate to the Jewish Labour Movement, formed in 1903, which has called extraordinary general meetings for 6 March, reportedly to discuss ending its 99-year affiliation with the Labour Party.


      https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-politics-47322921
         

      I've been involved in the Labour party for over 40 years now, in one way or another.
      I gave up my membership when Blair took over, mostly in protest at him re-shaping the party into a right of centre soft tory clone, but I took my membership up again when Ed Milliband was voted in.

      I've come across the odd arsehole in that time, the odd racist etc but I've never heard any anti semitism, unless it's from the right against Palestinians.
      I know for a fact there are loads of people on social media pretending to be Labour members then throwing abuse.
      I also know that the huge increase in membership saw a few abusive nutters join, but they are being weeded out slowly but surely.

      People are seeing through the nonsense, although it is taking time.
      When that starts to fail, the right will simply find another smear.
      It's what they do.
      Frankly, Mr Shankly
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      Re: Feb News Stories, 2019
      Reply #80: Feb 22, 2019 07:02:35 pm
      Labour anti-Semitism claims: Jewish group backs Corbyn

      A network of Jewish Labour members has backed Jeremy Corbyn over claims the party has become "institutionally anti-Semitic" under his leadership.

      Some 200 Labour supporters signed a Jewish Voice for Labour letter calling Mr Corbyn's party a "crucial ally in the fight against bigotry".

      Anti-Semitism on the left is "abhorrent but relatively rare", it argues.

      The Board of Deputies of British Jews said the view ran "counter to the experiences of Jewish Labour members".

      On Wednesday, Labour front-bench MP Barry Gardiner made an emotional apology to Jewish people "let down" by the party.

      "We will not stop working until we have once again become a safe and welcoming political home for people from the Jewish community as from every other," Labour's international trade spokesman told the Commons.

      Seven MPs leave Labour in Corbyn protest
      Labour: 673 anti-Semitism reports in 10 months
      Shadow cabinet clash over anti-Semitism
      Liverpool Wavertree MP Luciana Berger quit the party for the new Independent Group on Monday, saying she had been subjected to "thousands of messages of anti-Semitic abuse and hate".

      Telling MPs she had been met with "obfuscation, smears, inaction and denial" after raising the problem, Ms Berger said she arrived at the "sickening conclusion" that the Labour Party was "institutionally anti-Semitic".

      But the letter drafted by Jewish Voice for Labour, which describes itself as offering "a space to explore and debate the many questions that are important to us as progressive Labour Jews", rejects the suggestion.

      'Formidable' record on campaigning

      "The Labour Party under the progressive leadership of Jeremy Corbyn is a crucial ally in the fight against bigotry and reaction," says the letter, published in the Guardian .

      "His lifetime record of campaigning for equality and human rights, including consistent support for initiatives against anti-Semitism, is formidable. His involvement strengthens this struggle."

      The group says the letter was signed by filmmaker Mike Leigh, writer Michael Rosen and author Gillian Slovo, as well as several academics and Walter Wolfgang, 93, who fled Nazi Germany as a child.

      It backs the Labour Party's endorsement of freedom of expression on Israel and on the rights of Palestinians.

      However, Board of Deputies President Marie van der Zyl said: "The usual bunch of anti-Semitism deniers have written to the Guardian to declare that anti-Jewish hate in the Labour Party is rare."

      She said the letter was "particularly disrespectful" to Ms Berger who had suffered "years of anti-Semitic abuse, much of it from fellow party members".

      "This crisis will only be ended once the denial stops and Labour takes this problem seriously. Our community cannot have any confidence in Labour until the leadership commits to action."

      Jewish Voice for Labour was formed in 2017 and has consistently backed Mr Corbyn's leadership.

      It is separate to the Jewish Labour Movement, formed in 1903, which has called extraordinary general meetings for 6 March, reportedly to discuss ending its 99-year affiliation with the Labour Party.


      https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-politics-47322921
         

      Mark Elf - SMEARED...oh wait

      https://twitter.com/daverich1/status/1098344303158616064
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      Re: Feb News Stories, 2019
      Reply #81: Feb 22, 2019 07:06:30 pm

      Until the same level of scrutiny is applied to all party's then it is smears.
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      Re: Feb News Stories, 2019
      Reply #82: Feb 23, 2019 12:14:33 am
      The oiligarchy that really wield control and influence will do what is necessary to keep a socialist government from becoming a reality. They had to find something that had an element of truth to it. Had to find a soft under belly to attack. Anti semitism fits the bill.

      The last election gave them a wake up call. I think they dismissed Corbyn. May thought she could bury Corbyn and win a landslide. Didn't happen so Corbyn had to be dealt with. And they are winning. Corbyn is behind in the polls, he has MP's calling him every name under the sun. Even the BBC hate him.

      Wealth grows faster than the economy and it follows that the inequality of wealth will grow exponentially. It's the logical conclusion of capitalism. We've all heard stuff like 1% owns 50% of the worlds assets. That will grow and grow. Vast wealth doesn't go down, it only goes up.

      Even the slight threat to that wealth, that dominance will be dealt with. Corbyn isn't that big a threat but he won't get the chance to feed any serious movement that puts forward a socialist doctrine.

      The USA voted in an Oiligarch who has cut taxes for the rich. Wealth inequality is even wider in the USA. Fortunately they have voted in an idiot who will eventually screw it up but it won't affect the status quo of global financial inequality.
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      Re: Feb News Stories, 2019
      Reply #83: Feb 27, 2019 04:57:15 pm
      So India and Pakistan is it all gonna go off over there or will they wind their f**king necks in?
      Frankly, Mr Shankly
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      Re: Feb News Stories, 2019
      Reply #84: Feb 27, 2019 06:30:19 pm
      Labour forced to back a People's Vote. The vile Chris Williamson suspended. Good work by Tom Watson this week.
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      Re: Feb News Stories, 2019
      Reply #85: Feb 27, 2019 06:48:50 pm
      Labour forced to back a People's Vote. The vile Chris Williamson suspended. Good work by Tom Watson this week.

      Why is Chris Williamson vile?.
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      Re: Feb News Stories, 2019
      Reply #86: Feb 28, 2019 12:02:54 pm
      Labour forced to back a People's Vote. The vile Chris Williamson suspended. Good work by Tom Watson this week.

      What is it you think Tom Watson has done this week?

      Jennie Formby is responsible for discipline, including any suspensions, and is also in charge of investigating claims.

      Tom Watson, is good at posturing for the camera's, but even when handed a role, has failed to see it through, being a bit of a lazy f**ker who thinks politics is just about playing power games and stabbing people in the back.

      FYI, Labout weren't "forced" to back anything. This plan, step by step, was agreed at conference.

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