West Ham United 1-1 Liverpool: In game and Post Match discussion

Respectfully made.

I agree with the bit I highlighted.

Clyne and Dubai are the reddest of herrings

In my opinion.

How is Clyne now still seen as a red herring? We have Milner toeing his caravan up and down at full back while going away from home with Keita and Lallana in midfield.

Surely having Milner/Hendo in the middle would have been a real help to this team in the last 2 games.

Could have been worse, WH could've taken one of their very good clear cut chances to make it 2-1.
It's a worry, but got the point and are still 3 points clear.
Anything can happen, never thought for a minute we'd easily pull away from Citeh, they're too good for that.
Tonnes of footy still to play.
Need some lads back from injury, and for Mo and Bob to put out an APB to look for their form.

Voice of reason.  But we are short of squad quality, and that is likely to derail our ambitions.  When's Trent back?  What a difference that would make.

What are we doing in training day in day out. Do we learn to shoot at all. Never any goals coming from Midfielders either. Used to be all Midfielders had a target of 15goals from start of the season. If our forwards are not on there game we don't score.

What are you on about? 15 goals for all midfielders as a target?

You can make that up all you like but it doesn't make it anywhere even slightly realistic. The only midfielder to have scored 15 goals or more for Liverpool in a season in the last 25 years was called Steven Gerrard.

Old proverb...

‘Man who goes to bed with a itchy arse, Wakes up with smelly fingers’..

Trent & Gini can’t get back soon enough.. & for the Henderson haters.. the skipper was sorely missed tonight..

Football is such a game.. City could draw their next 2 or loose & we can go on to win our 2 & look back at tonight’s games and say.. point well earned with a team missing its core players..

Yep. Media led knee-jerk reactions sell air-time and mouse-clicks, we fans know better.  Let's keep our heads, eh?

How is Clyne now still seen as a red herring? We have Milner toeing his caravan up and down at full back while going away from home with Keita and Lallana in midfield.

Surely Milner/Hendo in the middle and Clyne at right back in games would be better than what we have now.

Funny though - because when him and Milner were available the caravan got it.

It’s a red herring because it’s f**k all to do with being extremely mediocre for the last two games.

Seriously - a guy who makes the bench 1 in 2 at best when fit is what we’re missing?

Revisionist, agenda driven nonsense.

I understand some people disagreed with that deal but this phenomenon of taking every negative outcome and fitting it to a preferred hypothesis is just daft.

1 more pt gained cheer up yer fuckers it’s not over yet.

What are you on about? 15 goals for all midfielders as a target?

You can make that up all you like but it doesn't make it anywhere even slightly realistic. The only midfielder to have scored 15 goals or more for Liverpool in a season in the last 25 years was called Steven Gerrard.

15 is a big stretch. Realistically you went 2-3 midfielders around the 8-10 goals mark. Shaqiri will be the only midfielder that can end the season with those numbers

Much as I want them to do well both Keita and Fabinho haven't impressed. Fabinho is competent but he just lays it off, no forward stride looking to pick up on a run and play in in. Is competence enough?

Keita floats about, sometimes to deep where he can lose possession. Higher up he has done the odd good bit. Put Origi thru at the death. Pity it wasn't Salah. But it's a bit here, a bit there with not enough in between.Sometimes delays the pass. Good player in there somewhere but only shown a little peep so far.

People harping on about Clyne really grating now an average full back at best. Our problem.is at the other end of the field and the lack of back up to the front three . We need another class option up front who can come in when one of them not on their game and in Firminos case could of been over half of the games this year

Would have been an open enquiry though.

To score two offside goals and win the game in injury time with one...  If only though.

Honestly wouldn’t have given a damn. After we were robbed of a penalty and that fat headed tw*t Maguire not getting sent off a few days ago, it’s the least we deserve.

[quote author=HScRed1 link=topic=50812.msg2217880#msg2217880 date=1549320448zNo IIts not over but if we play like we have lately it soon will be very shortly

Honestly wouldn’t have given a damn. After we were robbed of a penalty and that fat headed tw*t Maguire not getting sent off a few days ago, it’s the least we deserve.

Agreed.  I'd love us to win the league with an offside goal given.  Then listen to the world go bleating mad while we celebrate!  How many times did we watch the Manure win trophies and leagues with dodgy decisions and flukes?

REMINDER: IN THE LAST 10 GAMES CITY HAVE LOST TO CHELSEA, PALACE, LEICESTER, AND NEWCASTLE

Much as I want them to do well both Keita and Fabinho haven't impressed. Fabinho is competent but he just lays it off, no forward stride looking to pick up on a run and play in in. Is competence enough?

Keita floats about, sometimes to deep where he can lose possession. Higher up he has done the odd good bit. Put Origi thru at the death. Pity it wasn't Salah. But it's a bit here, a bit there with not enough in between.Sometimes delays the pass. Good player in there somewhere but only shown a little peep so far.

We aren’t watching the same Fabinho apparently. He’s been great, admittedly didn’t see the game tonight so can’t speak to that, but overall he’s been great.

We have only won one trophy in our last 13 seasons a League cup. I think if we can get sum form of silverware more will follow. Lot of cup final losses in those years too. We just need to improve n go again. No point getting nervous and it only Feb. What would we be like in April. Hopefully henderson gini and trent will start Saturday. Can't afford anymore slip ups. I thought this lighter schedule was guna suit us and players would come back from dubai firing again.

Did anyone really believe we would face no resistance from any team in these last 14 games to win the title?..

We will face more resistance, we’re not going to be given it, we have worked hard to reach this point..we will work harder to reach our destination..

Get back in your lane..

Did anyone really believe we would face no resistance from any team in these last 14 games to win the title?..

We will face more resistance, we’re not going to be given it, we have worked hard to reach this point..we will work harder to reach our destination..

Get back in your lane..

That wasn't resistance, the last two games have been capitulation. Resistance is when you play to the best of your ability and they make it hard for you. We're in a slump, exacerbated by an injury crisis. Let's not dress it up as something it isn't, two wins in our last six tells its own story. The last two games were not two points won, they were four points lost. That doesn't mean we've lost the title, but we're not making it easy for ourselves and have regressed in the last month to alarming degrees.

Remember we've still only lost one game, to City who have lost three games and Tottenham six, right now we have it in our own hands.

City have lost 4 Premier League games.

We have lost 1 Premier League game.

Let that sink in.

These lads are trying their best and the real issue of squad depth has reared its ugly head. Look at the bench tonight - Sturridge, Moreno, Mignolet, Origi, Shaqiri, Jones & Camacho. Jones and Camacho get a free pass, they are just young lads on the fringe.

That is not the bench of a title contending side but guess what? We are top of the League currently and that situation will remain so if we continue to win our remaining games. It is still in our hands.

I'm just as frustrated as most supporters on here, I think the days of Matip, Lovren, Clyne, Mignolet, Moreno, Lallana & Karius are numbered but until the end of the Season we have to make do with what we have. Gomez has been a massive loss, even van Dijk has suffered a dip in form without Joe there to shepherd him. They have been a formidable partnership and Joe can't come back soon enough.

Our midfield is so lacking cohesion it is annoying to watch, we sat so deep in possession tonight that we were never going to penetrate their defence. One of the midfielders has to push forward and create that link between midfield and the front three, we didn't look like doing it. The front three were poor as a whole but i can't believe the amount of venom being spat at Firmino. Yes he had a nightmare but remember there are nine other outfield players on that pitch. Firmino is world class, that hasn't changed, he just wasn't tonight. The things he does with a football are unreal, he can make it sing.

I even saw a post claiming that Klopp didn't care! Whoever that was will regret posting that in the morning, there isn't a single Liverpool supporter alive on the planet who would accuse Klopp of not caring when in the right frame of mind. I learned a long time ago on this forum to try not to post in anger, it rarely ends well and often ends in apologies being handed out.

Chill out boys and girls. 25 games played, 3 points clear. It's time to see what we are really made of. As long as we don't suffer any more injuries to key players then i see a Title coming to Anfield this Season.

Keep The Faith 

That wasn't resistance, the last two games have been capitulation. Resistance is when you play to the best of your ability and they make it hard for you. We're in a slump, exacerbated by an injury crisis. Let's not dress it up as something it isn't, two wins in our last six tells its own story. The last two games were not two points won, they were four points lost. That doesn't mean we've lost the title, but we're not making it easy for ourselves and have regressed in the last month to alarming degrees.

I agree, it's our form which is a concern more than the results. I can remember earlier in the season when some of us were talking about how weak the attack looked and we were laughed at, well now with a few injuries in defence we aren't getting away with scoring the 1 goal any more.
Klopp has to go back to how we played last season and take the shackles of our attack, this patient build up play nonsense has to stop as we don't have the players to execute it, especially not Bobby who lost the ball and misplaced passes all night. We have to back to quick counter attacking football, that is our strength.

Was at the game tonight, stood amongst the West Ham gobshites, keeping my mouth shut and being on my best behaviour!!

We were really poor. It wasn't until mid second half that we actually took control of the game and started to create a few half chances... If you can even call them that.

On a positive note: Van Dijk. What a F***ing player. It's the first time I've seen him play live and it's made me realise how good this man actually is. It's a shame he's partnering comparative dross at the moment because we could have one hell of a defence if not.

Oh, and we are still 3 points clear at the top. So onto the next!

Funny though - because when him and Milner were available the caravan got it.

It’s a red herring because it’s f**k all to do with being extremely mediocre for the last two games.

Seriously - a guy who makes the bench 1 in 2 at best when fit is what we’re missing?

Revisionist, agenda driven nonsense.

But that caravan is now needed in the middle where we also have injuries. Again it's not that Clyne was world class or that we miss him at right back. It is that we are short on midfielders as it is and due to them having to play full back even shorter still.

If Clyne is in the squad he's playing 90 mins a game at the moment due to circumstances.

It's not agenda driven other than I hope to see us win a title, it's  not revisionist because I've said it since the day the deal went through, And it's not nonsense because Klopp just alluded to having to change the team 3 times since training and today's KO which wouldn't be the case if we had a specialist RB available.

On one hand we have City swanning about with 3 players for every bloody position (at right back Walker/Danillo/Zinchenko - and that's forgetting all the cbs and midfielders who can play there if really needed) and us running on fumes as it is letting players go out on loan because they wanted to. Next year I hope the answer to that bollocks is 'tough'.

I agree, it's our form which is a concern more than the results. I can remember earlier in the season when some of us were talking about how weak the attack looked and we were laughed at, well now with a few injuries in defence we aren't getting away with scoring the 1 goal any more.
Klopp has to go back to how we played last season and take the shackles of our attack, this patient build up play nonsense has to stop as we don't have the players to execute it, especially not Bobby who lost the ball and misplaced passes all night. We have to back to quick counter attacking football, that is our strength.

I’m not sure how you do that when you’ve got 60-65 percent possession of the ball against a team sitting deep?