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      West Ham United 1-1 Liverpool: In game and Post Match discussion

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      Re: West Ham United 1-1 Liverpool: In game and Post Match discussion
      Reply #950: Feb 05, 2019 09:48:00 am
      Nonsense we been useless from Xmas. It's like the weight of the world is on our shoulders. By weekend city will be top. Even Everton supporters are looking city to hammer Everton Tom. Firmino been useless lately salah too. Need to up it 100% just to keep in contention on this run in. Getting nervous in Feb ;D. Can be sure United will roll over for city as United supporters want and opposite when we visit both grounds. Way we're playing at moment beat no one.
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      Re: West Ham United 1-1 Liverpool: In game and Post Match discussion
      Reply #951: Feb 05, 2019 09:49:23 am
      Strangely positive this morning

      We were awful and nicked a point

      Nobody goes away from home and is given a win - this is not la liga

      Also we have been very average and only conceded from 2 set pieces - we were a little lucky last night

      Let the lads regroup - let’s get Hendo and gini back in midfield and then see if we can win this f**king thing
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      Re: West Ham United 1-1 Liverpool: In game and Post Match discussion
      Reply #952: Feb 05, 2019 09:57:09 am
      Yeah yeah yeah, this team has issues, this team isn't perfect, the last two games were not great. Thank you for pointing it out. But if you want to act as if you're "just being realistic" by telling us the obvious, then what about getting a bit of perspective? Truth is the vast majority of LFC fans are acting like sad, "scarred for life" entitled tw*ts who, despite never having been in this situation before, keep mentioning past failures instead of trying to focus on what we've been doing different - and realise we've never been in this position before, and being positive here is not just wishful thinking.

      In the last 27 years or so we've been runners-up 3 times. In 2001/02, we last had the lead in the 17th round - that is, mid-December, and never recovered. By the 25th round (where we are now), we were 4th. Until very late in the season, the title race was actually between Arsenal and Man Utd; we only got ourselves in between them in the final weeks. But hey, Neil from Dublin writes on twitter that he still has nightmares about how we "bottled under pressure" with Houllier. Such a nightmare. He can hardly sleep.

      In 2008/09, we held a single point lead for about 4 weeks and lost it by the 21st round. By the 25th, we were 5 points behind the leaders. By the 27th, we would be 10 points behind and later would celebrate late goals that kept the distance in 4 points as that awoke our hopes. But Garreth from St Helens writes in the BBC comments section that he still can't get over the way we "crumbled under pressure" with Rafa.

      In 2013/14, we were 4th by now and would hold a lead for two rounds after an unlikely 11-wins run that would end abruptly. The run was always unlikely to continue and extend to a 14-wins run, which is what we would have needed for the title. But Jack from Melbourne writes on Facebook that he can't bear watching our games for fear it's "happening again" just like 2014.

      From 1992 to 2001 we never truly got very close. Same for 2003 to 2008, 2010 to 2013, 2015 up until last season. So this is it, about 27 seasons and in only three we had slightly familiar circumstances which are not truly that similar.

      This season, we got the lead in the 16th round of the Premier League. We've held to it for 9 rounds so far which already is without precedent and I have every faith that come the end of the 26th, we'll have beaten Bournemouth and will still be top as well. It's only natural that this won't be an easy ride and any team will suffer with the amount of injures we have had recently. It sure as hell isn't because of a backup right back I had almost forgotten existed or because of a single player you may want to pick as the scapegoat.

      Then you got the same people who told us that there was no way Man City would lose points to Newcastle or Crystal Palace saying with total certainty that they'll beat not just Everton but also Chelsea. If your way of coping with anxiety is by always thinking of the worst case scenario then go ahead, do it, but I'll reserve myself the right to think you're all acting as self-pitying panicky little girls. Grow some balls, have some faith. Change that defeatist mentality you're using as a way to protect your oh-so-hurt feelings because you think "we've been here before", when in fact we haven't.

      Look, I know whatever is written on a football forum won't impact on how our players perform, but the issue for me is that this same mentality is found around nearly the whole fan base everywhere, including the nervousness and anxiety that is palpable in the stadium. We've got a team that has got us to where not any other has done before.  IKIT.

      A good post and I really appreciate reading one which is positive but I just don't feel that positive about the team at the moment, sorry. Tts not the injuries or the results but the way we are playing the last 2 games. I'm mad as hell at us selling Clyne, I'm mad as hell about going to Dubai and every single player losing focus and intensity, I'm mad as hell that with a weakened defence we are still playing the same patient slow build up play which can only work if you have  rock solid defence, we must change tack and go more attacking.

      In summary can we turn this round Hell yes we can but will we? That I'm not so sure about and you'll have to excuse some of us for fearing yet another meltdown, another false dawn because after 29 years of bitter disappointment it does get a bit heavy on the soul.
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      Re: West Ham United 1-1 Liverpool: In game and Post Match discussion
      Reply #953: Feb 05, 2019 09:59:19 am
      Strangely positive this morning

      I cannot see it. I would love lpool win the league but we should have had two pl titles won and losing our last 4 cup finals. One league Cup in 13 years so understandable were panicking  but we have no hope unless we start to relax forget about the League and who's where and just play every game like it's the start of season again. Otherwise we could be out of the race in a month
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      Re: West Ham United 1-1 Liverpool: In game and Post Match discussion
      Reply #954: Feb 05, 2019 09:59:31 am
      Table says we are.

      5 pts better than City since November

      OR

      4 points worse since Jan.......

      Each to their own - not telling you how to react / fret or whatever Heimy. I’m just not minded to lose my sh*t at this point.

      We’re having an unbelievable league season.

      Do you even read my posts?? I said you need to focus on current form rather than league position, in that regard we are not the best team, I'd say that is probably Man Utd currently, and our direction of travel in 2019 is very worrying.
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      Re: West Ham United 1-1 Liverpool: In game and Post Match discussion
      Reply #955: Feb 05, 2019 10:00:39 am
      Strangely positive this morning

      We were awful and nicked a point

      Nobody goes away from home and is given a win - this is not la liga

      Also we have been very average and only conceded from 2 set pieces - we were a little lucky last night

      Let the lads regroup - let’s get Hendo and gini back in midfield and then see if we can win this f**king thing

      Perhaps we need another trip to Dubai, that worked well last time! ;-)
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      Re: West Ham United 1-1 Liverpool: In game and Post Match discussion
      Reply #956: Feb 05, 2019 10:05:17 am
      Send them to Blackpool next time. Way to beat a blanket defence too is score from distance now and again like the old days. Do they practise shooting in training or just tipy tappy football.
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      Re: West Ham United 1-1 Liverpool: In game and Post Match discussion
      Reply #957: Feb 05, 2019 10:05:25 am
      Yeah yeah yeah, this team has issues, this team isn't perfect, the last two games were not great. Thank you for pointing it out. But if you want to act as if you're "just being realistic" by telling us the obvious, then what about getting a bit of perspective? Truth is the vast majority of LFC fans are acting like sad, "scarred for life" entitled tw*ts who, despite never having been in this situation before, keep mentioning past failures instead of trying to focus on what we've been doing different - and realise we've never been in this position before, and being positive here is not just wishful thinking.

      In the last 27 years or so we've been runners-up 3 times. In 2001/02, we last had the lead in the 17th round - that is, mid-December, and never recovered. By the 25th round (where we are now), we were 4th. Until very late in the season, the title race was actually between Arsenal and Man Utd; we only got ourselves in between them in the final weeks. But hey, Neil from Dublin writes on twitter that he still has nightmares about how we "bottled under pressure" with Houllier. Such a nightmare. He can hardly sleep.

      In 2008/09, we held a single point lead for about 4 weeks and lost it by the 21st round. By the 25th, we were 5 points behind the leaders. By the 27th, we would be 10 points behind and later would celebrate late goals that kept the distance in 4 points as that awoke our hopes. But Garreth from St Helens writes in the BBC comments section that he still can't get over the way we "crumbled under pressure" with Rafa.

      In 2013/14, we were 4th by now and would hold a lead for two rounds after an unlikely 11-wins run that would end abruptly. The run was always unlikely to continue and extend to a 14-wins run, which is what we would have needed for the title. But Jack from Melbourne writes on Facebook that he can't bear watching our games for fear it's "happening again" just like 2014.

      From 1992 to 2001 we never truly got very close. Same for 2003 to 2008, 2010 to 2013, 2015 up until last season. So this is it, about 27 seasons and in only three we had slightly familiar circumstances which are not truly that similar.

      This season, we got the lead in the 16th round of the Premier League. We've held to it for 9 rounds so far which already is without precedent and I have every faith that come the end of the 26th, we'll have beaten Bournemouth and will still be top as well. It's only natural that this won't be an easy ride and any team will suffer with the amount of injures we have had recently. It sure as hell isn't because of a backup right back I had almost forgotten existed or because of a single player you may want to pick as the scapegoat.

      Then you got the same people who told us that there was no way Man City would lose points to Newcastle or Crystal Palace saying with total certainty that they'll beat not just Everton but also Chelsea. If your way of coping with anxiety is by always thinking of the worst case scenario then go ahead, do it, but I'll reserve myself the right to think you're all acting as self-pitying panicky little girls. Grow some balls, have some faith. Change that defeatist mentality you're using as a way to protect your oh-so-hurt feelings because you think "we've been here before", when in fact we haven't.

      Look, I know whatever is written on a football forum won't impact on how our players perform, but the issue for me is that this same mentality is found around nearly the whole fan base everywhere, including the nervousness and anxiety that is palpable in the stadium. We've got a team that has got us to where not any other has done before.  IKIT.

      And that's exactly why I didn't post after the Leicester game because this is what the forum has just become now.

      Funny how the mind works isn't it. Because in my eyes, the people who look like panicky little girls as you put are the ones such as yourself kicking off at people who highlight concerns. I make a post about right back and the midfield being a problem and you've rambled on for ages about how we've never been in this position before going back to 1992  :lmao: .... what is the point in even coming on and trying to discuss the match any more? It's f**king ridiculous  :lmao:

      Oh, and If you don't think Clyne would be useful to us in our current situation then I think you're a moron. As a back up right back you won't find much better than Clyne and that's exactly what we need, a back up right back. Not somebody who can fill in and do a job. A back up right back. So letting him go was a stupid decision after we've put ourselves in such a good position.

      Also don't know why you've said Neil from Dublin or whatever you said as if you're some hardcore scouser. Aren't you from Brazil? Very strange thing to say that. Very patronising and offensive to our Irish fans if you ask me.

      Anyway, im off again. Can't be arsed talking about our current situation without people getting the history books out.

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      Re: West Ham United 1-1 Liverpool: In game and Post Match discussion
      Reply #958: Feb 05, 2019 10:07:53 am
      Do you even read my posts?? I said you need to focus on current form rather than league position, in that regard we are not the best team, I'd say that is probably Man Utd currently, and our direction of travel in 2019 is very worrying.

      Do you read mine?

      I think you need to focus on the bigger picture and not the last 5 minutes.

      I’m not minded to lose my sh*t at the moment. We’re in a great position - were we the best team ever in December? No - ergo we’re hardly in f***in’ freefall at the moment.

      Like I say each to their own.

      We’re a great side in a little trough. That’s it.
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      Re: West Ham United 1-1 Liverpool: In game and Post Match discussion
      Reply #959: Feb 05, 2019 10:08:22 am
      Send them to Blackpool next time. Way to beat a blanket defence too is score from distance now and again like the old days. Do they practise shooting in training or just tipy tappy football.


      Can you please stop editing other peoples posts.

      I do agree with you though we need our midfielders in particular to practice shooting, they are bloody awful at it, plus I wouldn't mind our full backs trying to shoot a bit more often.
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      Re: West Ham United 1-1 Liverpool: In game and Post Match discussion
      Reply #960: Feb 05, 2019 10:11:54 am
      Do you read mine?

      I think you need to focus on the bigger picture and not the last 5 minutes.

      I’m not minded to lose my sh*t at the moment. We’re in a great position - were we the best team ever in December? No - ergo we’re hardly in f***in’ freefall at the moment.

      Like I say each to their own.

      We’re a great side in a little trough. That’s it.

      Hope you are right and this was our blip because we simply can't drop more points now against Bournemouth, that is a MUST WIN game, lose that one and I think the team will implode.
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      Reply #961: Feb 05, 2019 10:12:02 am
      Yup, just checked the table and we are still 3 points clear with the easier run in.

      Oh, and our blip is over. You heard it here first.

      Let's go.
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      Re: West Ham United 1-1 Liverpool: In game and Post Match discussion
      Reply #962: Feb 05, 2019 10:12:42 am
      Can you please stop editing other peoples posts.

      There you go Heimy - we agree on something ;)
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      Re: West Ham United 1-1 Liverpool: In game and Post Match discussion
      Reply #963: Feb 05, 2019 10:15:06 am
      Yeah yeah yeah
      Nonsense  we should have won under benitez that year we were much better than united much better goal difference too only lost cos of all the Fergie time late goals 6/7 minutes into injury time. Games that fergie was referring.
      Under Rodgers we deserved it too scored over 100 goals played the best attacking football and 4 points up and only 3 games left. Left it at Palace 3-0 up cruising lost 3 goals in last few minutes. Cup finals according to fans only to turn up to win. We lost them all sometimes cos of terrible referees like europa final. So we should have won a lot more.
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      Reply #964: Feb 05, 2019 10:18:00 am
      Funny how the mind works isn't it. Because in my eyes, the people who look like panicky little girls as you put are the ones such as yourself kicking off at people who highlight concerns.

      I'm not kicking off, last night I literally just had fun at the expense of people's exasperations and excuses to panic - from "the problem was Dubai" to "ALL our issues stems from letting Clyne go" and this morning even being sh*t scared of Bournemouth. Now I've added some perspective for those who want to compare this situation to previous ones in order to validate their terrible fear of failure. I haven't even read your post in particular but I'm glad to see that despite the panic you still have such a high self esteem that you think my post was about you.

      Oh, and If you don't think Clyne would be useful to us in our current situation then I think you're a moron.

      Oh I've been called worse. I'll get over it.

      Also don't know why you've said Neil from Dublin or whatever you said as if you're some hardcore scouser. Aren't you from Brazil? Very strange thing to say that. Very patronising and offensive to our Irish fans if you ask me.

      Yeah sure, go ahead, take offence for that, why not? I also used examples from St Helens and Melbourne. Just to show how the panic is widespread and people from all over are acting like tortured self-pitying idiots.

      Anyway, im off again. Can't be arsed talking about our current situation without people getting the history books out.

      And perhaps you should read my post again because it's precisely the constant mentions of history that I'm arguing against. Because they're constantly being brought up in order to validate people's fears and as an excuse to overreact to even a trip to Dubai no one can possibly have any inside information about. But whatever, enjoy your time off.
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      Reply #965: Feb 05, 2019 10:22:06 am
      Yeah yeah yeah
      Nonsense  we should have won under benitez that year we were much better than united much better goal difference too only lost cos of all the Fergie time late goals 6/7 minutes into injury time. Games that fergie was referring.
      Under Rodgers we deserved it too scored over 100 goals played the best attacking football and 4 points up and only 3 games left. Left it at Palace 3-0 up cruising lost 3 goals in last few minutes. Cup finals according to fans only to turn up to win. We lost them all sometimes cos of terrible referees like europa final. So we should have won a lot more.

      You should learn how to quote

      Anyway, having better goal difference means nothing. In the last 4 seasons of the Premier League, teams with worse GD than their competitors have won the league in 3. Again, try getting a bit of perspective when coming up with that kind of crap

      We were not much better than United, we lead for about 4 rounds and never got closer than 4 points from January onwards

      The Palace game you mention in 2014 wouldn't have made a difference even if we won. But whatever
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      Re: West Ham United 1-1 Liverpool: In game and Post Match discussion
      Reply #966: Feb 05, 2019 10:23:51 am

      Oi, why do you keep quoting other people and insert your own reply there? Its getting confusing AF. Just use the reply button on the botton to reply to new posts if you do not intend to reply to specific posts.
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      Re: West Ham United 1-1 Liverpool: In game and Post Match discussion
      Reply #967: Feb 05, 2019 10:26:16 am
      I'm not kicking off, last night I literally just had fun at the expense of people's exasperations and excuses to panic - from "the problem was Dubai" to "ALL our issues stems from letting Clyne go" and this morning even being sh*t scared of Bournemouth. Now I've added some perspective for those who want to compare this situation to previous ones in order to validate their terrible fear of failure. I haven't even read your post in particular but I'm glad to see that despite the panic you still have such a high self esteem that you think my post was about you.

      Oh I've been called worse. I'll get over it.

      Yeah sure, go ahead, take offence for that, why not? I also used examples from St Helens and Melbourne. Just to show how the panic is widespread and people from all over are acting like tortured self-pitying idiots.

      And perhaps you should read my post again because it's precisely the constant mentions of history that I'm arguing against. Because they're constantly being brought up in order to validate people's fears and as an excuse to overreact to even a trip to Dubai no one can possibly have any inside information about. But whatever, enjoy your time off.

      Just to be clear are you saying that selling Clyne was not a mistake and that the trip to Dubai improved team performance? If not then why criticise people who do say it??

      FFS If people are not allowed ot be disappointed after 2 very dispiriting draws and 4 dropped points then when are we allowed to be disappointed?
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      Reply #968: Feb 05, 2019 10:31:13 am
      Hope you are right and this was our blip because we simply can't drop more points now against Bournemouth, that is a MUST WIN game, lose that one and I think the team will implode.

      Agree that it’s a big game. 

      2 in a row we’re agreeing Heimy.
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      Reply #969: Feb 05, 2019 10:31:48 am
      1. This is all on injuries and nobody is to blame. You cannot expect the same level of performance with all these vital guys out: Gomez, Lovren, TAA, Gini, Ox and Hendo. Jürgen did the best with what he has.

      2. Worrying for Daniel that Origi got his chance in front of him or was he injured?

      3. Clyne's loan decision was based on decency. The guy is a good international player and had to swallow to be behind a 20y. old, at some point you gotta give him something back, also to set a sign for other players. You know how the saying goes: how you treat them, they treat you.

      4. One thing is clear: a successful side needs to adress the depth issue. You can see that in today's football it's not so much who can feature the best 11, but who has the best 15 overall. Depth wins championships.

      5. On a positive note: We are still up 3 points and it was always a given that a dry spell will occur. It also means we'll stay in striking distance for a while. If City did lead us by 2 it could be over soon, but as it is we are competitive for the next weeks and a lot can change in that time window.

      Top post this. What have you done with the real Panzer!? Seriously measured posting is that
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      Re: West Ham United 1-1 Liverpool: In game and Post Match discussion
      Reply #970: Feb 05, 2019 10:32:12 am


      You should learn how to quote

      Anyway, having better goal difference means nothing. In the last 4 seasons of the Premier League, teams with worse GD than their competitors have won the league in 3. Again, try getting a bit of perspective when coming up with that kind of crap

      We were not much better than United, we lead for about 4 rounds and never got closer than 4 points from January onwards

      The Palace game you mention in 2014 wouldn't have made a difference even if we won. But whatever
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      Reply #971: Feb 05, 2019 10:40:18 am
      Just to be clear are you saying that selling Clyne was not a mistake and that the trip to Dubai improved team performance? If not then why criticise people who do say it??

      FFS If people are not allowed ot be disappointed after 2 very dispiriting draws and 4 dropped points then when are we allowed to be disappointed?

      I'm disappointed myself, it's the defeatism I'm arguing against. And the making up of conspiracy theories doesn't help either.

      How could I possibly know if the trip to Dubai improved team performance? We're having an injury crisis and, let's say, without the training period we might as well have lost both games. Truth is, nobody from the outside can say anything one way or the other, so why bother. Correlation isn't causation; it's not because we came back from Dubai with two draws that the cause was Dubai - I really never thought I'd have to explain that. There are many other factors at play.

      As for Clyne, I wouldn't have loaned him out myself, but that's because I rate Clyne as a very good right back - if I recall correctly, I was very much in the minority all the time for thinking that. Which makes it funnier to see how it's suddenly become all about him. That you might disagree with the decision, fair enough; but to say that ALL our problems stems from letting Clyne go, as someone did, now please give me a break.

      I'm also disappointed with those results myself, but you see, I'm not desperate nor playing the tortured soul who's suffered too long nor bigging up Bournemouth in the next match thread when they've just lost to a horrible Cardiff City side on the weekend.

      We all have our coping mechanisms, but excuse me if I find some of them idiotic  :confused-smiley-013: feel free to feel the same way about mine  ;D
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      Re: West Ham United 1-1 Liverpool: In game and Post Match discussion
      Reply #972: Feb 05, 2019 10:53:17 am
      You say all our problems stem from letting Clyne go. I can’t quite see how our forwards and lack of goals at the moment is anything to do with him going. He has 1 goals and 2 assists in 4 years and we didn’t struggle for goals last season when he didn’t play at all apart from the odd minute.

      F**k me, read the post. I provided the reasoning in it. It's not as simple as selling Clyne was a mistake, selling Clyne has had a knock on effect which I put in the post.
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      Re: West Ham United 1-1 Liverpool: In game and Post Match discussion
      Reply #973: Feb 05, 2019 11:02:44 am
      My god looking on social media there is sum bitterness towards liverpool its hatred even. Pellegrini saying before kick off how he love to win for city then saying after how klopp is used to winning by offside goals show what a classless bitter old wrinkly tw*t he is. Got shafted by city fu**ed off to China for a fortune now at West ham for another fortune thrown at him.
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      Re: West Ham United 1-1 Liverpool: In game and Post Match discussion
      Reply #974: Feb 05, 2019 11:06:42 am
      My god looking on social media there is sum bitterness towards liverpool its hatred even. Pellegrini saying before kick off how he love to win for city then saying after how klopp is used to winning by offside goals show what a classless bitter old wrinkly tw*t he is. Got shafted by city fu**ed off to China for a fortune now at West ham for another fortune thrown at him.

      Saw Jürgen and the old wrinkly tw*t having heated words after the game, would love to know what went on.

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