Pre-Match: Manchester United V Liverpool (24/02/19 - 14:05)

Klopp said 12 months ago.
“That’s the situation - how can he not be a brilliant player if he’s a Liverpool player? If somebody doesn’t see his value, what can I do? Do you think after what I said now, that they will see his value? I’m not sure. I’m very happy that he’s back, you can write that!”
So I'll stick with the Boss on Henderson and if he thinks he isn't right for him to play tomorrow then so be it because we have a really go mix now and we have a lot of games coming up. I posted earlier that I wouldn't be at all unhappy to see Fab alongside VVD what a pairing that could be. Hopefully the Bayern game will have been a good warm up and the beach legs will have gone . Its probably too much to ask but a really commanding performance and win would be very welcome and timely.

Too much he's better than him sh*te let's just trust the gaffer to pick the right combo to win this match. As I and others have said each individual is very good at their own role it's about the right combo on the day

Agreed,as the old saying goes ‘horses for courses’

If saying someone is better than Henderson at something is considered a "sly dig" at him, isn't the above a sly dig on Wijnaldum?

FYI: Wijnaldum has played over 600 minutes more than Henderson in the Premier League this season and 3 more Champions League appearances as well. Gini also played more than Henderson in both competitions in 2017/18 and again in 2016/17.

So I guess the argument that it is "arrogant" to suggest Henderson isn't as good at certain stuff as others just because he's constantly picked by Klopp, then surely the same applies here. And Wijnaldum was a Klopp signing as well.

You can see it like that if you want to.
I think different players have different strengths.
To say that a professional, captain of one of the biggest clubs in the world, "isn't technical" is bullshit of the highest order, which is why it's just a snidey dig.
You'll notice I don't go in the match thread playing the blame game either, and that's because this is a team sport. We win as a team, we lose as a team, or did you not read your Shanks? I'm sure you did, so you know exactly what I'm saying.
I think Wijnaldum is a good player. I said as much last season when he got a ton of abuse from the usual arseholes who this time around have picked Henderson as the scapegoat.

FYI, saying who has played more minutes when you know the injury situation, and what Klopp said at the start of the season about rest and holidays, is disingenuous at best.

You were not alone mate......I posted: -

“Moreno = Player”

After the goal at WHL.

Right up to Europa Final I thought there was a player in there........

That's the thing mate.
I don't think you're wrong, there IS a player in there, that player is just not a defender, and the "lack of mental acuity" means it's difficult to teach him how to defend.
Inevitably, a brain fart takes over at some point, and then he kind of loses his composure.

To say that a professional, captain of one of the biggest clubs in the world, "isn't technical" is bullshit of the highest order, which is why it's just a snidey dig.

Is that all you got? He's captain and therefore invalidates all opinions?

Human rights Article 19.
 
Everyone has the right to freedom of opinion and expression; this right includes freedom to hold opinions without interference and to seek, receive and impart information and ideas through any media and regardless of frontiers.

Oh wait, we don't have human rights because Henderson is a captain...

Is that all you got? He's captain and therefore invalidates all opinions?

Human rights Article 19.
 
Everyone has the right to freedom of opinion and expression; this right includes freedom to hold opinions without interference and to seek, receive and impart information and ideas through any media and regardless of frontiers.

Oh wait, we don't have human rights because Henderson is a captain...

 

OK, so report me to the human rights commission or whatever the F**k it is you weapon.

At least this had the virtue of being mildly amusing.
Stupid as F**k, but amusing.

f***in hate this fixture

OK, so report me to the human rights commission or whatever the f**k it is you weapon.

At least this had the virtue of being mildly amusing.
Stupid as f**k, but amusing.

Swab, you never fail to be predictable.. it's always mindless insults or smoke and mirrors. The sad thing is that you probably don't know you are doing it. It's a step below a WUM because it's pathetic, which is worse than ridiculous.

Swab, you never fail to be predictable.. is always mindless insults or smoke and mirrors. The sad thing is that you probably don't know you are doing it. It's a step below a WUM because it's pathetic.

ohno, did you just deny me my human rights by saying I can't have an opinion on your post about human rights?
 

Is that all you got? He's captain and therefore invalidates all opinions?

Human rights Article 19.
 
Everyone has the right to freedom of opinion and expression; this right includes freedom to hold opinions without interference and to seek, receive and impart information and ideas through any media and regardless of frontiers.

Oh wait, we don't have human rights because Henderson is a captain...

A new low.

...someone bringing in the human rights act .... 😂

A new low.

I knew you would pop up, I'm sure you have an alarm system that triggers every time somebody says something you disagree with about Henderson. Probably sirens and flashing lights went off in your home.

The lunatics have well and truly taken over the asylum

We will win this game becasue we're playing for our lifes! Come on Reds! Ynwa, we need to believe!

Jesus Christ - what a pile of sh*te the last couple of pages have been , nothing but a pissing contest

Anyway my team for Sunday

Alisson

TAA
Matip
VVD
Robbo

Fabinho
Henderson
Gini

Mane
Bobby
Mo

I think if it was at home then i think Klopp would have kept Fabinho at CB and left the midfield the same

Also wouldn’t be surprised to see Lovren if fit

Jesus Christ - what a pile of sh*te the last couple of pages have been , nothing but a pissing contest

Anyway my team for Sunday

Alisson

TAA
Matip
VVD
Robbo

Fabinho
Henderson
Gini

Mane
Bobby
Mo

I think if it was at home then i think Klopp would have kept Fabinho at CB and left the midfield the same

Also wouldn’t be surprised to see Lovren if fit

Nice line up. I can't imagine it will be much different, I'd have Fabinho as the deepest player covering defence and making plays. I'm thinking Shaqiri should fit in somewhere though, I'm not totally convinced he should start but if any forward is having a stinker then Shaqiri certainly should replace a front 3 player.

I knew you would pop up, I'm sure you have an alarm system that triggers every time somebody says something you disagree with about Henderson. Probably sirens and flashing lights went off in your home.

 

You’re not well sunshine.

You’re not well sunshine.

Ah psychic doctors, everybody should deregister with their GP and sign up to this forum for their medical advice then.

Ah psychic doctors, everybody should deregister with their GP and sign up to this forum for their medical advice then.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=pfRfPon9vmU

 

You can see it like that if you want to.
I think different players have different strengths.
To say that a professional, captain of one of the biggest clubs in the world, "isn't technical" is bullshit of the highest order, which is why it's just a snidey dig.
You'll notice I don't go in the match thread playing the blame game either, and that's because this is a team sport. We win as a team, we lose as a team, or did you not read your Shanks? I'm sure you did, so you know exactly what I'm saying.
I think Wijnaldum is a good player. I said as much last season when he got a ton of abuse from the usual arseholes who this time around have picked Henderson as the scapegoat.

FYI, saying who has played more minutes when you know the injury situation, and what Klopp said at the start of the season about rest and holidays, is disingenuous at best.

I agree that players have different strengths. I don't think anyone has said Henderson isn't technical per se, just that he isn't as technical as others - in this squad and elsewhere. And in that case I'd agree. In our squad, I think Gini is technically better, and his way of shielding and protecting the ball is a huge asset. Elsewhere, if you compare Hendo to the very best defensive midfielders around (say, Sergio Busquets), then he also falls short of them. This isn't to say he's a poor player or technically sh*t.

I'm not a fan of scapegoating either and think Henderson is the most boring subject of this forum. You've got to either hate or love him; you can't just think he's a good player and stop right there.

For instance, he did very well against Bayern, especially in first half, and then immediately you got the two camps out: the love-Henderson boys saying he "always played like that", although it's blatantly obvious that he doesn't, and it was an above average performance; the hate-Henderson boys saying he wasn't actually that good. Everyone else in between just gets accused of being in one of the two camps even if you just don't care that much about the argument

Anyway, I was just questioning the logic in two arguments: that comparing players and thinking one is better than another at something constitutes a "sly dig" - it clearly doesn't, it's just natural. And the other was using Klopp's selections as an argument of authority, particularly in a comparison with Gini Wijnaldum, given that the Dutch man is one of his most trusted players since we've signed him.

FYI, saying who has played more minutes when you know the injury situation, and what Klopp said at the start of the season about rest and holidays, is disingenuous at best.

Generally yes, but Henderson hasn't been out very long this season. Rest and holidays applies to everyone, I guess, but the fact remains Gini plays more often than Hendo, so if I wanted to I could also call "arrogant" anyone who makes "sly digs" at Gini for being slower, less strong, less athletic and not as powerful a runner than another player, also using Klopp's selections as evidence. You get the point

But anyway, I don't know why I got back into discussing Alicia Keys' fanboy... as I said it's a boring subject

Big game against “UNITED” if the last few pages are anything to go by we are far from it

OK, lets mix thing up a bit here.

Eric Cantona makes Liverpool Premier League title declaration - and backs surprise Manchester United championship bid

Liverpool's Premier League title bid continues to cause angst among their nearest rivals - and now Eric Cantona has issued his verdict.
The controversial former Manchester United striker admits he has been left in a quandary by the Reds vying with Manchester City for the championship.

And when asked by Paddy Power which of the two he'd prefer to win the league, Cantona said: "Nobody.
"It’s like asking me if I’d prefer to have my teeth made of wood or my legs of sponge.
"It hurts a lot. But they play wonderful football. But now, if United had started the season 10 games ago, they would be top of the league.
"City and Liverpool play nice attacking football, now and score plenty of goals, which is like Man United. They have the philosophy we did – enjoyment."

Liverpool can go three points clear at the top with victory when they travel to Manchester United on Sunday.

But Cantona hasn't given up hope of his former club producing a miracle recovery.
"Of course, if they (United) keep playing like this, they still have a chance, no? (of winning the league).
"I remember during my time, we were 12 points behind Newcastle and we won the league – so we have to hope and dream."
Cantona, though, is realistic when asked for his top-four prediction.
"City, Liverpool, Tottenham, United," he replied.

Link

Alex Ferguson invited to give team-talk to Manchester United players before Liverpool game

Manchester United could put a dent in Liverpool's Premier League title challenge with a win on Sunday.
Current caretaker manager Ole Gunnar Solskjaer has extended an invitation to his former boss to give a speech to the players ahead of their battle with Liverpool.
Sir Alex Ferguson started managing United in 1986 when they had just seven titles to Liverpool's 18.
The Reds have failed to win the league since 1990 - during that time Ferguson led United to their 20th title and took great pride in overtaking Liverpool.
 
The Manchester club are not in this year's title race but are looking to find an edge over Liverpool, and Solskjaer said: "He would be welcome to have his talk to the players if he wanted to, the Gaffer, because we know how much it meant for him to overtake Liverpool.

"I think our players know what it means for everyone at Man United."

The Norwegian said there were no plans for Ferguson to talk to the team, but it would be welcome as the Red Devils seek to stop Jürgen Klopp's side going three points clear of Manchester City.

Link

Words can't express how much I dislike the old git. No surprise here, surely Ole's been in close touch with him since he took over the mancs.

I agree that players have different strengths. I don't think anyone has said Henderson isn't technical per se, just that he isn't as technical as others - in this squad and elsewhere. And in that case I'd agree. In our squad, I think Gini is technically better, and his way of shielding and protecting the ball is a huge asset. Elsewhere, if you compare Hendo to the very best defensive midfielders around (say, Sergio Busquets), then he also falls short of them. This isn't to say he's a poor player or technically sh*t.

I'm not a fan of scapegoating either and think Henderson is the most boring subject of this forum. You've got to either hate or love him; you can't just think he's a good player and stop right there.

For instance, he did very well against Bayern, especially in first half, and then immediately you got the two camps out: the love-Henderson boys saying he "always played like that", although it's blatantly obvious that he doesn't, and it was an above average performance; the hate-Henderson boys saying he wasn't actually that good. Everyone else in between just gets accused of being in one of the two camps even if you just don't care that much about the argument

Anyway, I was just questioning the logic in two arguments: that comparing players and thinking one is better than another at something constitutes a "sly dig" - it clearly doesn't, it's just natural. And the other was using Klopp's selections as an argument of authority, particularly in a comparison with Gini Wijnaldum, given that the Dutch man is one of his most trusted players since we've signed him.

Generally yes, but Henderson hasn't been out very long this season. Rest and holidays applies to everyone, I guess, but the fact remains Gini plays more often than Hendo, so if I wanted to I could also call "arrogant" anyone who makes "sly digs" at Gini for being slower, less strong, less athletic and not as powerful a runner than another player, also using Klopp's selections as evidence. You get the point

But anyway, I don't know why I got back into discussing Alicia Keys' fanboy... as I said it's a boring subject

Sorry to pick out just one part of a good post Diego, but the bit in bold is exactly what I have a problem with, because it has been said so many time, and that's why I label it "a sly dig".
"He's not technical, but he has other attributes" is a snidey remark, and just another way of slagging a player, especially when I can see clearly that he's an excellent footballer.
It's like "he's not very bright, but he's a nice boy".



The Alicia Keys thing still makes me giggle though.