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      Manchester United 0-0 Liverpool: In game and Post Match discussion

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      racerx34
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      Re: Manchester United 0-0 Liverpool: In game and Post Match discussion
      Reply #1020: Feb 25, 2019 12:19:51 pm
      Game highlighted the drop off from Mane, Firmino, Salah to Sturridge, Origi.
      Definitely need at least 2 new recruits in the front line if the squad is to improve.
      Firmino going off arguably hurt Liverpool more than United's losses hurt them.
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      Reply #1021: Feb 25, 2019 12:28:22 pm
      Game highlighted the drop off from Mane, Firmino, Salah to Sturridge, Origi.
      Definitely need at least 2 new recruits in the front line if the squad is to improve.
      Firmino going off arguably hurt Liverpool more than United's losses hurt them.


      Bobby was a sore one, and he will miss watford game probably.

      But general movement of front lads was not the best, mane & salah tried but were hitting brick walls and passing was not sharp enough.

      But hey a point at OT playing rubbish, all good.
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      Reply #1022: Feb 25, 2019 12:54:15 pm
      I think those corners must all be from the start of the season as I can't remember a good corner for a hell of a long time now. I wonder if Origi's goal against the Bitters counts at one of the eleven?

      Wouldn't think so as it wasn't from a corner
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      Re: Manchester United 0-0 Liverpool: In game and Post Match discussion
      Reply #1023: Feb 25, 2019 01:06:45 pm
      Firmino going off arguably hurt Liverpool more than United's losses hurt them.

      Yes I'm hoping to god he won't be out for long, we really need him.
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      Reply #1024: Feb 25, 2019 01:11:16 pm
      Yes I'm hoping to god he won't be out for long, we really need him.

      As important to us at that end as VVD is at the other.
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      Re: Manchester United 0-0 Liverpool: In game and Post Match discussion
      Reply #1025: Feb 25, 2019 01:18:01 pm
      I gotta say, we were screaming for Keita in the middle. We were f**king clueless at breaking open their defence.

      Shaq should've came on instead of Sturridge, Salah pushed to the middle. Keita should've came in for Hendo at half time.


      Totally agree with this.
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      Re: Manchester United 0-0 Liverpool: In game and Post Match discussion
      Reply #1026: Feb 25, 2019 01:26:15 pm
      Bobby was a sore one, and he will miss watford game probably.

      But general movement of front lads was not the best, mane & salah tried but were hitting brick walls and passing was not sharp enough.

      But hey a point at OT playing rubbish, all good.

      Salah may have tried but he was clueless. 1v1 vs. Mata and made Mata look like Maldini, who right after the play was sub'ed off as an injury. That was embarrassing. Then 2nd half clean opportunity for a counter, ball at Salah's feet outside our box, Mane flying down the right with acres of space and another player (forget who) down the left.....and Salah gives it away. The 2 that stick out the most to me, and it wasn't just hitting brick walls, it was being completely incompetent with the ball.

      But we move on and get ready for Watford. Need this to be a statement game.
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      Reply #1027: Feb 25, 2019 01:32:27 pm
      Salah may have tried but he was clueless. 1v1 vs. Mata and made Mata look like Maldini, who right after the play was sub'ed off as an injury. That was embarrassing. Then 2nd half clean opportunity for a counter, ball at Salah's feet outside our box, Mane flying down the right with acres of space and another player (forget who) down the left.....and Salah gives it away. The 2 that stick out the most to me, and it wasn't just hitting brick walls, it was being completely incompetent with the ball.

      But we move on and get ready for Watford. Need this to be a statement game.

      All players have bad games, as u say we move on.
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      Reply #1028: Feb 25, 2019 01:42:22 pm
      Salah may have tried but he was clueless. 1v1 vs. Mata and made Mata look like Maldini, who right after the play was sub'ed off as an injury. That was embarrassing. Then 2nd half clean opportunity for a counter, ball at Salah's feet outside our box, Mane flying down the right with acres of space and another player (forget who) down the left.....and Salah gives it away. The 2 that stick out the most to me, and it wasn't just hitting brick walls, it was being completely incompetent with the ball.

      But we move on and get ready for Watford. Need this to be a statement game.

      You might need a statement game.

      Team needs 3 points.
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      Re: Manchester United 0-0 Liverpool: In game and Post Match discussion
      Reply #1029: Feb 25, 2019 02:02:22 pm
      A very good point, there is something very odd with our midfield this year in that they are normally extremely passive and hardly ever run with the ball or attack the opposition area. We seem to treat the midfield primarily as a first line of defense, which explains our superb defensive record but we simply cannot rely on squeaking 1-0's all season, we need to get more attacking movement and link up  from the midfield and that is provided by Keita, Shaq and hopefully soon Ox.
      In the game yesterday I think Klopp set up to get a draw and was unwilling or unable to switch it around after they had their injuries. If anything I think our players are sometimes overcoached and are not able to play football with any freedom or it seems passion. I mean honestly when is the last time we have seen genuine passion from this team? I certainly haven't seen it often this season. Manure yesterday, despite being hit with injuries played far more like a team and played off the crowd, it was impressive and something I miss.

      Touched on the pace & power the Ox brings to midfield, on page 33. Yes we are lacking a bit of direct threat from midfield. We did see Matip make a run thru the heart of their defence and he very nearly won a penalty.( wonder if he could play midfield)

      I was excited by the arrival of Keita because I thought he could offer more direct threat from midfield but he hasn't ignited just yet. We more or less knew our midfield was going to sit in but we just didn't have the game intelligence to adjust to their disarray in the first half. Most disappointing aspect was the lack of chances being created. Can't score if you don't create - never up,never in....Tiger would say..!
      « Last Edit: Feb 25, 2019 02:21:52 pm by Harrisimo »
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      Reply #1030: Feb 25, 2019 02:05:52 pm
      The real issue is that teams are much more effective at isolating our front 3, and crowding them out.

      We need to find solutions to this.
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      Re: Manchester United 0-0 Liverpool: In game and Post Match discussion
      Reply #1031: Feb 25, 2019 02:10:03 pm
      Salah may have tried but he was clueless. 1v1 vs. Mata and made Mata look like Maldini, who right after the play was sub'ed off as an injury. That was embarrassing. Then 2nd half clean opportunity for a counter, ball at Salah's feet outside our box, Mane flying down the right with acres of space and another player (forget who) down the left.....and Salah gives it away. The 2 that stick out the most to me, and it wasn't just hitting brick walls, it was being completely incompetent with the ball.

      But we move on and get ready for Watford. Need this to be a statement game.

      It wasn't Salah's finest hour but I disagreed with taking him off. Mane had a mare as well. But Salah can produce a bit of magic but Klopp makes the calls and he is close to the gig so I won't belabour the point.
      « Last Edit: Feb 25, 2019 02:16:47 pm by Harrisimo »
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      Reply #1032: Feb 25, 2019 02:16:07 pm
      The real issue is that teams are much more effective at isolating our front 3, and crowding them out.

      We need to find solutions to this.

      I have said a few times that Mane should hold his position wide left a bit more as the team seem to crowd over the on the right and they try and pick the lock so many time and they just run into traffic. More urgency is needed from midfield to give the flair players a bit more time.

      Mane wider should stretch the play, quicker delivery from midfield, inject a bit more urgency all round...and try the odd shot now and again.
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      Reply #1033: Feb 25, 2019 03:02:06 pm
      One thing this season has taught me is how insecure people are and their need to do two things: i) create narratives; and ii) project their fears onto other people.

      So bored of "this is the most important game of the season", or of the past 29 years, or bollocks like that. People said it about Leicester, said it about Man City, about Man United, and so on. Guess what, none of those are or were truly season defining games, it's just you - and the media, for sure, as narratives gets clicks - falling for whatever narrative makes more sense in your head. There's a psychology thesis to be written here somewhere. It's harder to acknowledge that the long run is what matters, and hardly ever one single game is the "turnaround" or "statement of intent" you hear about. Those are just clich├ęs. For all the "need a big performance tonight", or "need to show balls", or whatever you need to tell yourself, in the end what really matters is getting the points. It's you who is in need of a big performance, not the Liverpool players, because even if they give you one - as they did vs Bournemouth - you'll be back to saying the same overused line the moment they're not so great again.

      Which brings me to the second lesson. How people like to project their fears onto others. I know many of you are shitting bricks because you think you're such long suffering poor sods who "have been here before" (I've argued elsewhere that no, you haven't, but anyway) and can't really hold your nerves until May. So you project that onto the players - they should have shown character, they've no bottle, and bla bla bla. Nah, they've shown enough bottle and quality; this is, after all, the world's most competitive league and we're still stop in late February. No one knows if we'll win the league or not, but predicting doom from August onwards (remember in August/September when we kept winning but you were all worried about our performances and how we were "not as good as last season"? I do) and then saying "no one will be happier if I'm wrong" isn't really an opinion, it's just your insecure self struggling to deal with reality. Get a grip.

      ah ok fair enough then, so we'd all be laddy dah and delighted about 3 draws, and crap performances in 4 games, gotcha!! Its all roses isn't it?
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      Reply #1034: Feb 25, 2019 03:14:09 pm
      I have said a few times that Mane should hold his position wide left a bit more as the team seem to crowd over the on the right and they try and pick the lock so many time and they just run into traffic. More urgency is needed from midfield to give the flair players a bit more time.

      Mane wider should stretch the play, quicker delivery from midfield, inject a bit more urgency all round...and try the odd shot now and again.

      That's part of Klopps style; to create overloads in certain area's of the pitch, so if we create an overload on the right, we want Mane in the box.
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      Re: Manchester United 0-0 Liverpool: In game and Post Match discussion
      Reply #1035: Feb 25, 2019 03:30:13 pm
      The real issue is that teams are much more effective at isolating our front 3, and crowding them out.

      We need to find solutions to this.

      The easy solution to that is to have midfield runners to disrupt the opposition defence and penetrate or at least create gaps.
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      Reply #1036: Feb 25, 2019 03:35:56 pm
      The real issue is that teams are much more effective at isolating our front 3, and crowding them out.

      We need to find solutions to this.

      Until Ox is back and fit I think this will be an issue for the rest of the season.
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      Reply #1037: Feb 25, 2019 03:41:36 pm
      Until Ox is back and fit I think this will be an issue for the rest of the season.

      cough cough Keita, cough cough Shaquiri, seriously they can both do a job as advanced midfielders, we have to get more movement into the midfield, its far to passive sometimes.
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      Reply #1038: Feb 25, 2019 03:43:32 pm
      cough cough Keita, cough cough Shaquiri, seriously they can both do a job as advanced midfielders, we have to get more movement into the midfield, its far to passive sometimes.

      They are the reason Klopp uses a 4-2-2-2 this season.
      Which has neither in the 10.
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      Reply #1039: Feb 25, 2019 03:51:23 pm
      Until Ox is back and fit I think this will be an issue for the rest of the season.

      Agreed.

      Keita isn't quite there yet so unless he suddenly discovers a big bag of form, we need work arounds.

      As you say, the Klopp cock is a work around.
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      Reply #1040: Feb 25, 2019 03:52:47 pm
      One thing this season has taught me is how insecure people are and their need to do two things: i) create narratives; and ii) project their fears onto other people.

      So bored of "this is the most important game of the season", or of the past 29 years, or bollocks like that. People said it about Leicester, said it about Man City, about Man United, and so on. Guess what, none of those are or were truly season defining games, it's just you - and the media, for sure, as narratives gets clicks - falling for whatever narrative makes more sense in your head. There's a psychology thesis to be written here somewhere. It's harder to acknowledge that the long run is what matters, and hardly ever one single game is the "turnaround" or "statement of intent" you hear about. Those are just clich├ęs. For all the "need a big performance tonight", or "need to show balls", or whatever you need to tell yourself, in the end what really matters is getting the points. It's you who is in need of a big performance, not the Liverpool players, because even if they give you one - as they did vs Bournemouth - you'll be back to saying the same overused line the moment they're not so great again.

      Which brings me to the second lesson. How people like to project their fears onto others. I know many of you are shitting bricks because you think you're such long suffering poor sods who "have been here before" (I've argued elsewhere that no, you haven't, but anyway) and can't really hold your nerves until May. So you project that onto the players - they should have shown character, they've no bottle, and bla bla bla. Nah, they've shown enough bottle and quality; this is, after all, the world's most competitive league and we're still stop in late February. No one knows if we'll win the league or not, but predicting doom from August onwards (remember in August/September when we kept winning but you were all worried about our performances and how we were "not as good as last season"? I do) and then saying "no one will be happier if I'm wrong" isn't really an opinion, it's just your insecure self struggling to deal with reality. Get a grip.

      Great post.
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      Reply #1041: Feb 25, 2019 03:57:32 pm
      You might need a statement game.

      Team needs 3 points.


      3 points makes its own statement and everyone's happy.

      Or not....
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      Reply #1042: Feb 25, 2019 03:58:49 pm
      A routine win in midweek will see 12 pages of match thread.
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      Reply #1043: Feb 25, 2019 04:00:39 pm
      A routine win in midweek will see 12 pages of match thread.

      Barry keeps his head down and his neck in when we win........unless we only win because J├╝rgen picked his team ;)
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      Reply #1044: Feb 25, 2019 04:07:41 pm
      Until Ox is back and fit I think this will be an issue for the rest of the season.

      A lot of people said that.at the start of the season and nothing's changed
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      Reply #1045: Feb 25, 2019 04:15:32 pm
      A lot of people said that.at the start of the season and nothing's changed

      Nothing has changed because it's still an issue.
      It's why the team changes from 4-3-3 to 4-2-2-2.
      There is no proper 10 in there.
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      Reply #1046: Feb 25, 2019 04:17:13 pm
      Nothing has changed because it's still an issue.
      It's why the team changes from 4-3-3 to 4-2-2-2.
      There is no proper 10 in there.

      Hopefully will be addressed in the summer
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      Reply #1047: Feb 25, 2019 04:24:21 pm
      Yes I'm hoping to god he won't be out for long, we really need him.

      We don't need him.

      We need to know how to play without him.
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      Reply #1048: Feb 25, 2019 06:42:08 pm
      There's a number of things concerning me.

      Firstly - Letting Clyne go out on loan with no cover at right back is a shocking error.

      It was a shame to see Bobby get injured yesterday but I don't think he's had a good game for us since the Arsenal game before Xmas.

      People calling for Keita yesterday ... Is he still sitting on no goals and no assists all season ? Not sure what he would have done to help us win.

      Our form stalling isn't the only mitigating factor .. Teams - Munich Included are defending in the style of a Championship side in an FA CUP match.... They know if they try and play football we will blow them away so they defend with 11 men behind the ball as that's the only way they think to stop us ... It happened at West Ham - Munich - Man Utd and Leicester to an extent. No idea what the answer is but most teams appear to have our number now.

      My only hope is that come May we aren't looking back to that Mane 1cm line clearance in Jan against Man City - My fear is that we will be .
      As a footnote the crossing by Milner was shocking yesterday and the Salah free kick just summed the match up for me... It was clear after 60 minutes we weren't gonna score and again we were lucky not to have lost 
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      Re: Manchester United 0-0 Liverpool: In game and Post Match discussion
      Reply #1049: Feb 25, 2019 07:02:13 pm
       There someone from Chicago on here no? Anyways just reading a twitter whine from a dude showed up at their offi pub 5 minutes before kick off and got arsey cos it was full and he couldn't get in! Who would of thunk this game would pack out!https://twitter.com/ChicagoLFC.

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