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      Manchester United 0-0 Liverpool: In game and Post Match discussion

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      Re: Manchester United 0-0 Liverpool: In game and Post Match discussion
      Reply #975: Feb 24, 2019 11:10:15 pm
      Sorry i checked in. Always the same old happy sh*te from the same super fans..."great point" " who cares were top"

      Are you people blind or purposely ignoring reality?

      We created nothing today no danger to them at all. They are sh*te and created as much as us..Wake up people we are openly f**king away a title
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      Re: Manchester United 0-0 Liverpool: In game and Post Match discussion
      Reply #976: Feb 24, 2019 11:10:51 pm
      The result of taking a one point in a fixture which many highlighted as one of the toughest we have in remaining which isn't bad but based on what we faced today and the performance of the 90 minutes it was more of the same we have seen since the turn of the year. Just highlights to me the lack of attacking depth (which most of us know we lack talking in the transfer thread), in a match where Mane and Salah were both poor it makes getting a result really difficult for us which is a shame because defensive play has been good. I thought the whole left side of attack between Robbo, Gini and Mane was very poor, never a good sign when you don't create any clear cut chances.

      Fact of the matter is we have 11 games left we have a one point lead. We are in a title fight where we wanted to be and look forward to seeing what this group of players can deliver going forward.
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      Re: Manchester United 0-0 Liverpool: In game and Post Match discussion
      Reply #977: Feb 24, 2019 11:12:39 pm
      It is not about flickin' a switch, players have off days, i get that, but as a manager you have to try to use the right sub, in the right place, and anyone who has watch Sturrigde over the last six month knew that it was a bad move to have him as a sub much less use him to replace any of the front three...Sturrigde should not even be on the bench

      He no longer has the pace to play off a defenders shoulder, or to chase down a pass or out pace a defender, he has to drop deep to play the ball which means that teams can stick two defenders on Salah, knowing that that have only Salah and Mane to contend within an advent of a break... At least playing Origi he has the pace to do everything Sturrigde lacks and take away that extra man mark Salah and there is not another striker to contend with...

      My heart sank when they said that Sturrigde was coming on the replace Firmino. I knew everyone would look to feed him even if there was a better ball on for someone else and that if he could take a speculative shot or pass a decent ball to set up someone, he would chose to take the shot. In other word we where fu**ed...

      I was hoping that Klopp would acknowledge the his mistake and swap Origi for Sturrigde

      Most here knew that was a mistake to bring him on, but few her would admit it for fear of looking as if they were not supporting the team



      Cannot agree more, Studge is at his best when we are on the front foot, Origi was the better option, he would have taken them back, 'cause he chases everything
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      Re: Manchester United 0-0 Liverpool: In game and Post Match discussion
      Reply #978: Feb 24, 2019 11:18:09 pm
      Well I take it you do know what a corner and free kicks are...OK so I would expect VVD, when we get corners etc, to actually win the odd header but I can't recall when he actually did.

      And I'm taking into account we take the worst corners and free kicks in the league.

      If we take the worst corners then why have we scored more goals than anyone else this season from them?

       
      Just to further add;

      https://mobile.twitter.com/TactTimesSocial/status/1099705492924968960


      Things always seem much worse than they actually are right after the game.
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      Re: Manchester United 0-0 Liverpool: In game and Post Match discussion
      Reply #979: Feb 24, 2019 11:19:01 pm
      I would add Everton away. As sh*t as they are, we all know they will turn up and give 110%. I think they will  prove to be more difficult than Utd.
      Yeah they only turn up against us, then rollover against everyone else.
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      Re: Manchester United 0-0 Liverpool: In game and Post Match discussion
      Reply #980: Feb 24, 2019 11:22:32 pm
      Sorry i checked in. Always the same old happy sh*te from the same super fans..."great point" " who cares were top"

      Are you people blind or purposely ignoring reality?

      We created nothing today no danger to them at all. They are sh*te and created as much as us..Wake up people we are openly f**king away a title

      Great pep talk Bri ( meant }
      « Last Edit: Feb 24, 2019 11:26:38 pm by redtiler »
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      Re: Manchester United 0-0 Liverpool: In game and Post Match discussion
      Reply #981: Feb 24, 2019 11:32:22 pm

      Pep talk? Am I paid to boost peoples beliefs here? I say what I see always have always will.....to  me today was a fuckup..they lost any momentum through early iinjuries..we were alreay on top. We from that point had a grip but didnt grrab it because we had no player willing or able to grab the game by the scruf. Not willing or able to take a shot or run at them or play a pass to open them up. No player able to play a decent corner or free kick

      But f**k it were top playing sh*te and itll all change from now
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      Re: Manchester United 0-0 Liverpool: In game and Post Match discussion
      Reply #982: Feb 24, 2019 11:45:18 pm
      Pep talk? Am I paid to boost peoples beliefs here? I say what I see always have always will....

      ^^^^
      This
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      Re: Manchester United 0-0 Liverpool: In game and Post Match discussion
      Reply #983: Feb 24, 2019 11:46:40 pm
      While there were bright spots in this performance like VVD, Fabinho and the point taken, we continued suffering from the same problem we've suffered from for the last 5 or 6 games against stronger opposition who are willing to sit a bit deeper and wait for us.

      The idea of making Firmino drop down in order to receive the ball, open spaces for Mane and Salah all while starting the attacks in the final 3rd of the pitch is not working.

      Go back and watch the game. Pay close attention to the yards of space between the most advanced midfield player and the front line. Simply too much space. Nobody from the midfield carries the ball in those spaces in order to create something or simply to drive it forward.

      The result is that the ball is passed to either one of the wingers who is immediately sandwiched between the opposition's full-back, the returning winger and a player from the midfield. It is the same thing if one of our full-backs made the run. He and our winger get sandwiched between 3 or 4 players with no support.

      This is mainly why I wanted Keita to start. By far the only player who gives us relief in term of creativity despite not hitting any heights since he came here. We're going to need to either start giving serious minutes to Keita or give license to players like Gini and Henderson to move much higher than 5 yards past the halfway line. Then again, can Henderson and Gini produce the good when given those tasks?

      Edit: Also pay close attention to how none of the midfielders makes any type of supporting run into the opposition's box even when our full-back or winger escaped the pressure and manages to cross the ball into the box. All we have in there is our opposite side winger and the striker who are both easily marked and neutralized by 4 or 5 players from the other team who don't have to worry about any of our midfielders making a run inside their box.

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      Re: Manchester United 0-0 Liverpool: In game and Post Match discussion
      Reply #984: Feb 24, 2019 11:51:59 pm
      Sorry i checked in. Always the same old happy sh*te from the same super fans..."great point" " who cares were top"

      Are you people blind or purposely ignoring reality?

      We created nothing today no danger to them at all. They are sh*te and created as much as us..Wake up people we are openly f**king away a title

      Sorry fella - just the opposite of how I see it.

      I think we’re in a great position - just having a bit of a tricky patch.

      You are free to see / interpret as you like though.
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      Re: Manchester United 0-0 Liverpool: In game and Post Match discussion
      Reply #985: Feb 24, 2019 11:53:22 pm
      I was disappointed in todays game because with what happened Utd were there to be flogged. Even if they had everyone behind the ball they we average at best. I thought we definitely should have had a penalty.

      I have to say though, Henderson played well (last game too) but Gini and Fabinho are exceptional. Really good players. I think TAA should have come on. Shaquiri must have been injured and I would put Origi before Studge at the moment. I'd rather Origi try and force something that Studge operate as a creative number 10 because it doesn't work.

      However a point is a point. Keep our noses in front.
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      Re: Manchester United 0-0 Liverpool: In game and Post Match discussion
      Reply #986: Feb 24, 2019 11:54:53 pm
      Sorry fella - just the opposite of how I see it.

      I think we’re in a great position - just having a bit of a tricky patch.

      You are free to see / interpret as you like though.

      I see it as my team having f**k all shots on goal for a long time now. And im sorry but I cant see  how any team wins a straight shoot out gir a league without shooting, pardon the pun
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      Re: Manchester United 0-0 Liverpool: In game and Post Match discussion
      Reply #987: Feb 24, 2019 11:58:16 pm
      I see it as my team having f**k all shots on goal for a long time now. And im sorry but I cant see  how any team wins a straight shoot out gir a league without shooting, pardon the pun

      Yep.

      We’ll definitely need to at least try to score soon or it’s a real problem.

      Each to their own.

      I just don’t see how being positive when we’re top of the league is a problem because we were poor today.
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      Re: Manchester United 0-0 Liverpool: In game and Post Match discussion
      Reply #988: Feb 25, 2019 12:05:17 am
      Can't say that Sturridge played well. But can't say he played badly.

      He didn't contribute much, but as a Striker, what did he have to work with? How many times did he get a touch in the box? or even in a position where he could shoot? 

      The creative flow to our Striker was appalling. It was non-existent.

      People keep comparing Sturridge to Firmino and expecting him to play like Firmino. When he doesn't 'do a Firmino' they claim that he has played badly. Sturridge is not a Firmino. He's not a run around, chase the ball player. He's a Striker. He likes to play on the shoulder, ready to attack, ready to score.

      The fact that we saw him having to drop back deep again looking for the ball was a reflection on our poor creativity. There was nothing happening.

      Such a boring game that one..  :f_doh:

      There’s two things that were highlighted;
      1. How critical Firmino is to the attacking setup and linking the final third together.
      2. Studge is finished at this level.
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      Re: Manchester United 0-0 Liverpool: In game and Post Match discussion
      Reply #989: Feb 25, 2019 12:09:31 am
      Recent results have followed this trend..

      Liverpool drop points. Man City close gap.
      Loyalist LFC fans "we are still top".

      Liverpool drop points. Man City close gap.
      Loyalist LFC fans "we are still top".

      Liverpool drop points. Man City close gap.
      Loyalist LFC fans "we are still top".

      Now down to 1 point. Now we can no longer remain top if we drop points again.

      If your take from today's game was that we are still top, and the performance did not bother you, then you may run out of positives pretty quickly. We simply cannot afford one more slip up. We basically have to win every game now.

      Sure - Man City may still slip up themselves. But until they do, we cannot.

      Yet, the trend is we are on the down, Man City are on the up. Let's get back to reality, accept our performance is not good enough, and hope to solve the problems pretty quickly! We desperately need a couple of back to back wins now, and with a strong performance to match. We need some self belief, and we need to send a message to the other teams.
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      Re: Manchester United 0-0 Liverpool: In game and Post Match discussion
      Reply #990: Feb 25, 2019 12:12:55 am
      There’s two things that were highlighted;
      1. How critical Firmino is to the attacking setup and linking the final third together.
      2. Studge is finished at this level.

      Maybe so, but I'll add a 3rd.

      It highlighted how poorly we adjust to not having the usual forward 3.

      We don't seem to know how to play any other way. We missed our chances to get our 'squad depth' adjusted into the team, so that when they do play, we can continue to play as a team. Unfortunately, they've been so under used that we've made it difficult for them to make the adjustment.
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      Re: Manchester United 0-0 Liverpool: In game and Post Match discussion
      Reply #991: Feb 25, 2019 12:15:56 am
      Don't shoot the messenger! In two weeks we will talk about top4 and summer signings. This team rolls downhill. This was the game to show balls and we didn't, this was the game to take advantage from their injuries and we didn't. We are a warm weather team: at home and things run smoothly plus some good luck and boy are we riding and no-look-goals from Bobby, as soon as clouds darken the sky we look pretty meh.

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      Reply #992: Feb 25, 2019 12:47:42 am
      Maybe so, but I'll add a 3rd.

      It highlighted how poorly we adjust to not having the usual forward 3.

      We don't seem to know how to play any other way. We missed our chances to get our 'squad depth' adjusted into the team, so that when they do play, we can continue to play as a team. Unfortunately, they've been so under used that we've made it difficult for them to make the adjustment.

      Yeah you can tell early when its not clicking and it becomes a long 90 minutes. Against United we looked like we had other things on our mind when we got up front. In reality our midfield and defense bossed it. Front 3 not so much and even less when Bobby went off.  Having said that, despite their injuries, United do not have a weak squad and Mourinho spent a couple of years drumming how to defend in numbers into them.
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      Re: Manchester United 0-0 Liverpool: In game and Post Match discussion
      Reply #993: Feb 25, 2019 01:28:25 am
      The “tactics” today were simply abysmal... it was really grim watching. Amount of times we lumped it forward to nobody... Milner gets in wide and crosses in to nobody....

      To create zilch against THAT united side pretty disappointing. Bloody hell let’s hope bobby isn’t broken as as I’ve feared all season, I’ve no idea what the plan will be if any of the front 3 are injured..
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      Re: Manchester United 0-0 Liverpool: In game and Post Match discussion
      Reply #994: Feb 25, 2019 01:33:52 am
      I gotta say, we were screaming for Keita in the middle. We were f**king clueless at breaking open their defence.

      Shaq should've came on instead of Sturridge, Salah pushed to the middle. Keita should've came in for Hendo at half time.
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      Reply #995: Feb 25, 2019 03:50:04 am
      If Bobby cant start on Wed, and looks that way, I would start Shaqiri on the right of 4-2-3-1 with Keita behind Mo.. Fab-Gini pivot. No way Origi or Sturridge deserve to start!

      So, considering workload and bodies available, may be Keita-Hendo-Lallana mid 3 for the Ev (although thats very uninspiring)
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      Re: Manchester United 0-0 Liverpool: In game and Post Match discussion
      Reply #996: Feb 25, 2019 07:00:52 am
      Saddened with that result,we really should of smashed Manure.As has been mentioned in previous posts Sturridge should not of been a sub for a match of this importance.It is as if he realises his days are numbered at Anfield and he is not prepared to put in the required effort.Just got to hope that Jürgen can instill the required belief in the squad for the Everton match.
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      Re: Manchester United 0-0 Liverpool: In game and Post Match discussion
      Reply #997: Feb 25, 2019 08:10:31 am
      F**k, still gutted.

      Can someone please explain that free kick inside our box in the first couple of minutes. I didn't see what it was for, a FK inside the box why wasn't that a penalty?

      Next Oliver gave us so many 50-50 FK's but he didn't see Smalling dragging Matip down in the box and he had direct sight, 10 meters away. WTF??

      Can't believe we didn't put them to the sword. Can't remember us even having a decent shot on target. In the end we were lucky they weren't their jammy arseselves because I have to admit, when I saw Smalling waiting for that cross in the last couple of minutes, I was already ready to cry, thinking he was gonna stick it in the back of the net, to f**k us! Thank f**k he's sh*t and he didn't anticipate the ball making it's way through to him.

      Imagine the Forum if that had happened!
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      Reply #998: Feb 25, 2019 08:11:28 am
      F**k, still gutted.

      Can someone please explain that free kick inside our box in the first couple of minutes. I didn't see what it was for, a FK inside the box why wasn't that a penalty?

      Next Oliver gave us so many 50-50 FK's but he didn't see Smalling dragging Matip down in the box and he had direct sight, 10 meters away. WTF??

      Can't believe we didn't put them to the sword. Can't remember us even having a decent shot on target. In the end we were lucky they weren't their jammy arseselves because I have to admit, when I saw Smalling waiting for that cross in the last couple of minutes, I was already ready to cry, thinking he was gonna stick it in the back of the net, to f**k us! Thank f**k he's sh*t and he didn't anticipate the ball making it's way through to him.

      Imagine the Forum if that had happened!

      So happy we’ve got a game quickly this Wednesday to hopefully put things right
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      Re: Manchester United 0-0 Liverpool: In game and Post Match discussion
      Reply #999: Feb 25, 2019 08:15:06 am
      F**k, still gutted.

      Can someone please explain that free kick inside our box in the first couple of minutes. I didn't see what it was for, a FK inside the box why wasn't that a penalty?

      Next Oliver gave us so many 50-50 FK's but he didn't see Smalling dragging Matip down in the box and he had direct sight, 10 meters away. WTF??

      Can't believe we didn't put them to the sword. Can't remember us even having a decent shot on target. In the end we were lucky they weren't their jammy arseselves because I have to admit, when I saw Smalling waiting for that cross in the last couple of minutes, I was already ready to cry, thinking he was gonna stick it in the back of the net, to f**k us! Thank f**k he's sh*t and he didn't anticipate the ball making it's way through to him.

      Imagine the Forum if that had happened!


      It was cos De Gea handled the pass-back.

      Personally I think it's as clear a professional foul as you'll see.

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