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      Liverpool 5-0 Watford: In game and Post Match discussion

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      Re: Liverpool 5-0 Watford: In game and Post Match discussion
      Reply #420: Feb 28, 2019 09:45:42 am
      Cracking performance last night. I wasn’t sure if the line up when I saw the team but playing Mane through the middle was a master stroke, reckon we will see more of this. Pre game I was hoping to see Keita play and was disappointed he did not start but Watford are a big strong physical side so Jürgen was bang on with that midfield. Milner in particular was superb in the first half. Fabinho stood out once again and I’m sure he might be first name on the midfield teamsheet now. Trent was incredible, what a performance from the lad! Mo still finding his way but he worked his socks off and caused problems without that little bit of luck (plus he makes a LOT of space for Trent). The dhole back four with Fab in front were imperious and great to see VVD grab a couple of goals. And again Allison with a couple of important saves to preserve the clean sheet. Also nice to see Divock grab a goal with a nice finish, he was solid in that left hand side role.

      My first trip to Anfield this season, I fookin love the VVD song, had me phone out to learn the words! Crowd in great voice last night (I sound like Chris Rhea today!) with the Kop belting out full reportoiure of songs from the last 30 years
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      Re: Liverpool 5-0 Watford: In game and Post Match discussion
      Reply #421: Feb 28, 2019 09:54:31 am
      are you still convinced that playing Milner instead of Trent on Sunday made no difference? ;-)

      100% - right back was not our issue on Sunday.

      Last night he was brilliant though. His best delivery performance of the season by far.

      Which is much more relevant.
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      Re: Liverpool 5-0 Watford: In game and Post Match discussion
      Reply #422: Feb 28, 2019 10:08:15 am
      100% - right back was not our issue on Sunday.

      Last night he was brilliant though. His best delivery performance of the season by far.

      Which is much more relevant.

      So you didn't notice any difference between the movement, passes and most importantly crosses from Trent last night and Milner's on Sunday, WOW! You my friend are either to proud to admit you were wrong or genuinely do not understand the importance of Trent as RB.
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      Re: Liverpool 5-0 Watford: In game and Post Match discussion
      Reply #423: Feb 28, 2019 10:12:29 am
      So you didn't notice any difference between the movement, passes and most importantly crosses from Trent last night and Milner's on Sunday, WOW! You my friend are either to proud to admit you were wrong or genuinely do not understand the importance of Trent as RB.

      maybe Trent not playing on Sunday allowed him to perform like he did last night. Having just got back from injury two games in 4 days is a lot. Maybe Jürgen knows better.
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      Re: Liverpool 5-0 Watford: In game and Post Match discussion
      Reply #424: Feb 28, 2019 10:17:48 am
      watched the highlights 3 times so far got to say superb but there can be no better sight than 11 Livepool players coming off the pitch with a massive smile on their faces
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      Reply #425: Feb 28, 2019 10:20:26 am
      maybe Trent not playing on Sunday allowed him to perform like he did last night. Having just got back from injury two games in 4 days is a lot. Maybe Jürgen knows better.

      That is a possibility I admit, but was not my point. Scotia claims there is no difference between playing Milner at RB and Trent! Now based on the evidence from Sunday and yesterday that is fairly clearly bollocks, in a defensive sense there may not be that much difference, although I still rate Trent higher, but in an attacking sense, WOW poles apart.
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      Reply #426: Feb 28, 2019 10:21:10 am
      So you didn't notice any difference between the movement, passes and most importantly crosses from Trent last night and Milner's on Sunday, WOW! You my friend are either to proud to admit you were wrong or genuinely do not understand the importance of Trent as RB.

      Of course it was an improvement BUT I fully recognise that two games against different opponents do not add up to four.

      Do you recognise that Watford offered him the whole of the right hand side to plunder - Utd did not. He had very little defensive work to do whereas Utd put a lot down that side (would’ve been more HAD Rashford been 100%).

      I have said repeatedly I think TAA is our best RB. I’ve also said that RB wasn’t the issue Sunday.

      My suggestion was that the boss was probably saving him to get the best out of the squad and highest points return over the rest of the season - does that mean I’m bob on, you know, given the result last night?

      No-one knows - he could’ve played Sunday, got exposed by Rashford / Lukaku and then got injured as well.......

      In that form TAA is an enormous asset and playing like that is a threat.

      I’d rather - fully fit - he played until he doesn’t merit a place.

      Please - just take a day off from the relentless narcissism eh?
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      Reply #427: Feb 28, 2019 10:24:03 am
      Of course it was an improvement BUT I fully recognise that two games against different opponents do not add up to four.

      Do you recognise that Watford offered him the whole of the right hand side to plunder - Utd did not. He had very little defensive work to do whereas Utd put a lot down that side (would’ve been more HAD Rashford been 100%).

      I have said repeatedly I think TAA is our best RB. I’ve also said that RB wasn’t the issue Sunday.

      My suggestion was that the boss was probably saving him to get the best out of the squad and highest points return over the rest of the season - does that mean I’m bob on, you know, given the result last night?

      No-one knows - he could’ve played Sunday, got exposed by Rashford / Lukaku and then got injured as well.......

      In that form TAA is an enormous asset and playing like that is a threat.

      I’d rather - fully fit - he played until he doesn’t merit a place.

      Please - just take a day off from the relentless narcissism eh?


      LOL, to insecure to admit you were wrong, how sad. Of course Trent would have offered us more going forwards on Sunday, if you can't see this then there really is no point discussing football with you as you have no clue, I don't mean that in a nasty sense but honestly there is then just no reference point.

      BTW the problem on Sunday was that we created very little, do you really not see that some of those crosses form Trent might have helped, how about some of the overlapping runs he did with Salah, would they also not have helped? Your point might be valid if we were constantly under pressure and being pushed back by Manure in that game but we weren't.
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      Re: Liverpool 5-0 Watford: In game and Post Match discussion
      Reply #428: Feb 28, 2019 10:26:06 am
      Absolutely sparkling performance from the lads. Don't even know where to start with quality individual efforts let alone the team. VVD, Mane, Fabinho, Robertson and even Salah without a goal were just fantastic, but what a performance from the young lad Trent Arnold. So good to have him back to his best and I have to say that was his best performance in a Liverpool shirt. Even apologized at one point to the attackers after putting in a superb cross that nobody got on the end of, brilliant mentality and motm for me and everyone else it seems.

      Seems like we got the heavy metal back between our teeth.
      Sounds painful.
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      Re: Liverpool 5-0 Watford: In game and Post Match discussion
      Reply #429: Feb 28, 2019 10:29:57 am
      Of course it was an improvement BUT I fully recognise that two games against different opponents do not add up to four.

      Do you recognise that Watford offered him the whole of the right hand side to plunder - Utd did not. He had very little defensive work to do whereas Utd put a lot down that side (would’ve been more HAD Rashford been 100%).

      I have said repeatedly I think TAA is our best RB. I’ve also said that RB wasn’t the issue Sunday.

      My suggestion was that the boss was probably saving him to get the best out of the squad and highest points return over the rest of the season - does that mean I’m bob on, you know, given the result last night?

      No-one knows - he could’ve played Sunday, got exposed by Rashford / Lukaku and then got injured as well.......

      In that form TAA is an enormous asset and playing like that is a threat.

      I’d rather - fully fit - he played until he doesn’t merit a place.

      Please - just take a day off from the relentless narcissism eh?


      if your lucky he might put you on ignore and find someone else to argue with because he has to argue with someone ...constantly. On a great day you always find someone wanting to take away from the internet joy so they can talk about themselves
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      Re: Liverpool 5-0 Watford: In game and Post Match discussion
      Reply #430: Feb 28, 2019 10:36:38 am

      Thanks Bud, I did find it. What a display. We rolled them over from start to finish.
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      Re: Liverpool 5-0 Watford: In game and Post Match discussion
      Reply #431: Feb 28, 2019 10:38:29 am
      LOL, to insecure to admit you were wrong, how sad. Of course Trent would have offered us more going forwards on Sunday, if you can't see this then there really is no point discussing football with you as you have no clue, I don't mean that in a nasty sense but honestly there is then just no reference point.

      BTW the problem on Sunday was that we created very little, do you really not see that some of those crosses form Trent might have helped, how about some of the overlapping runs he did with Salah, would they also not have helped? Your point might be valid if we were constantly under pressure and being pushed back by Manure in that game but we weren't.

      Aye ok - having my football knowledge insulted by you is a privilege.

      By the way - it’s “too insecure”.

      See ya.
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      Re: Liverpool 5-0 Watford: In game and Post Match discussion
      Reply #432: Feb 28, 2019 10:39:57 am
      LOL, to insecure to admit you were wrong, how sad. Of course Trent would have offered us more going forwards on Sunday, if you can't see this then there really is no point discussing football with you as you have no clue, I don't mean that in a nasty sense but honestly there is then just no reference point.

      BTW the problem on Sunday was that we created very little, do you really not see that some of those crosses form Trent might have helped, how about some of the overlapping runs he did with Salah, would they also not have helped? Your point might be valid if we were constantly under pressure and being pushed back by Manure in that game but we weren't.

      Think the problem on Sunday was how conservative and compact united were in defence and how we failed to stretch them out.

      Yesterday our fullbacks were able to get high and wide, allowing more space across the front three, this was helped by the way Watford set up as well as our own play.
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      Re: Liverpool 5-0 Watford: In game and Post Match discussion
      Reply #433: Feb 28, 2019 10:55:58 am
      LOL, to insecure to admit you were wrong, how sad. Of course Trent would have offered us more going forwards on Sunday, if you can't see this then there really is no point discussing football with you as you have no clue, I don't mean that in a nasty sense but honestly there is then just no reference point.

      BTW the problem on Sunday was that we created very little, do you really not see that some of those crosses form Trent might have helped, how about some of the overlapping runs he did with Salah, would they also not have helped? Your point might be valid if we were constantly under pressure and being pushed back by Manure in that game but we weren't.

      Trent would have struggled facing a fit Rasford & Sane has caused Trent problems down that side, why do you think the Boss went with Milner..?

      When City beat us which side did the goals & threat come from?
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      Reply #434: Feb 28, 2019 11:00:30 am
      Think the problem on Sunday was how conservative and compact united were in defence and how we failed to stretch them out.

      Yesterday our fullbacks were able to get high and wide, allowing more space across the front three, this was helped by the way Watford set up as well as our own play.


      They were able to get high and wide because they had the ability and pace to get high and wide, there was no reason why we could not have done that against Manure, apart from playing a fairly slow and immobile midfielder at RB instead of one of the best RB's in the league.
      I really find it astonishing that I'm even having to debate this point when its so damned obvious, but enough of this I'll just have to agree to disagree with you guys on this and lets just bask in the glory of a very satisfying win, that's the main thing.
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      Re: Liverpool 5-0 Watford: In game and Post Match discussion
      Reply #435: Feb 28, 2019 11:03:55 am
      Trent would have struggled facing a fit Rasford & Sane has caused Trent problems down that side, why do you think the Boss went with Milner..?

      When City beat us which side did the goals & threat come from?

      but Rashford wasn't fit was he? and like f**k would he have struggled, he certainly hasn't against Sane in most games whereas Milner definitely struggles against pace or did I just have a nightmare about Zaha skipping past him on several occasions. I honestly don't know why Klopp went with Milner, either Trent was a bit injured, or tired after recently coming back, or Klopp made one of his thankfully rare mistakes, along with not playing a more attacking midfield.
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      Re: Liverpool 5-0 Watford: In game and Post Match discussion
      Reply #436: Feb 28, 2019 11:07:20 am
      So we win and be troll just wants to drag up the weekend match as if last night result justifys his point
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      Re: Liverpool 5-0 Watford: In game and Post Match discussion
      Reply #437: Feb 28, 2019 11:13:13 am
      So we win and be troll just wants to drag up the weekend match as if last night result justifys his point

      Yup. That’s narcissism for ya.

      Reality is a prisoner.
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      Re: Liverpool 5-0 Watford: In game and Post Match discussion
      Reply #438: Feb 28, 2019 12:00:08 pm
      Dear Mr Gracia,
      If you give a team like ours that much time and space we will slaughter you.

      Kind Regards,
      LFC fans.


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      Re: Liverpool 5-0 Watford: In game and Post Match discussion
      Reply #439: Feb 28, 2019 12:11:51 pm
      but Rashford wasn't fit was he? and like f**k would he have struggled, he certainly hasn't against Sane in most games whereas Milner definitely struggles against pace or did I just have a nightmare about Zaha skipping past him on several occasions. I honestly don't know why Klopp went with Milner, either Trent was a bit injured, or tired after recently coming back, or Klopp made one of his thankfully rare mistakes, along with not playing a more attacking midfield.

      Why don't you go look for the answers yourself?

      Klopp: “Just because Trent was out for a while, played the last game and we have two games coming up,” the manager said, when asked to explain his starting line-up.

      “I don’t like to think too much about the games coming up usually, but it’s pretty much the first moment in the season for while that we could make a decision with Millie and we will need Trent in the next weeks very much."

      https://www.liverpoolfc.com/news/first-team/339271-jurgen-klopp-manchester-united-team-selection

      Anyway, back to celebrating one of our best performances of the season, and a very timely one at that...
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      Re: Liverpool 5-0 Watford: In game and Post Match discussion
      Reply #440: Feb 28, 2019 01:29:40 pm
      So it was good replacing Hendo with Milner the attacking from midfield made all the difference. Or was it the crosses from Trent and Andy I wonder. No problem tonight with creativity and it came from the route the team is set up for.
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      Re: Liverpool 5-0 Watford: In game and Post Match discussion
      Reply #441: Feb 28, 2019 01:30:32 pm
      100% - right back was not our issue on Sunday.

      Last night he was brilliant though. His best delivery performance of the season by far.

      Which is much more relevant.

      Trent might not have been as good last night if he was played Sunday.

      Klopp said all along 3 games in a week was too much for him after his Injury.

      So for me Klopp got it spot on.
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      Re: Liverpool 5-0 Watford: In game and Post Match discussion
      Reply #442: Feb 28, 2019 01:36:51 pm
      What a game eh?

      A few days makes all the difference. Another clean sheet, believe that's more than we have goals conceded?

      Another 5 goal route. Trent played really well, Andy played really well, hell everyone played really well.

      And we stayed on top while cutting into that GD.

      Life is good, what could anyone possibly have to be negative about.
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      Reply #443: Feb 28, 2019 01:39:31 pm
      So it was good replacing Hendo with Milner the attacking from midfield made all the difference. Or was it the crosses from Trent and Andy I wonder. No problem tonight with creativity and it came from the route the team is set up for.

      It was the way Watford set up mate.

      Their midfield was too far from the defense, and too narrow.
      They tried to use Deulofeu to stop Robertson raiding down their right, but Origi pretty much negated that by staying wide all match.
      They thought Deulofeu could do 2 jobs; push Roberston back and negate his attacking, plus get in behind us to put crosses in.
      It worked to an extent, but not well enough.
      They neglected their left side, which meant we continuously created overloads down that side.
      I don't know if they considered Robertson the greater threat, but giving that much time and space to a player who can deliver a ball like TAA can is madness.
      I expected them to be better organised, but with our midfield 3 rotating, they didn't know who to pick up, and dropped deeper (but still not deep enough to really protect the back 4).

      Of course we still had to take advantage of the opportunity presented to us, but we did that in style.
      We were ruthless.
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      Reply #444: Feb 28, 2019 01:41:24 pm

      They were able to get high and wide because they had the ability and pace to get high and wide, there was no reason why we could not have done that against Manure, apart from playing a fairly slow and immobile midfielder at RB instead of one of the best RB's in the league.
      I really find it astonishing that I'm even having to debate this point when its so damned obvious, but enough of this I'll just have to agree to disagree with you guys on this and lets just bask in the glory of a very satisfying win, that's the main thing.

      Mate, I agree that Trent should have started against UTD but you cannot put yesterdays performance down to purely Trent replacing Milly at RB, while I agree Trent offers an enormous amount more going forward, it was, in fact, Milner's ability to fill in when either Robbo or Trant got forward and high enough.
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      Re: Liverpool 5-0 Watford: In game and Post Match discussion
      Reply #445: Feb 28, 2019 02:08:05 pm
      Trent might not have been as good last night if he was played Sunday.

      Klopp said all along 3 games in a week was too much for him after his Injury.

      So for me Klopp got it spot on.

      I'd rather we played our best RB against Manure and rested him yesterday, if needed, or does beating Manure not appeal to you? Anyway bored of this, I could say the Pope is Catholic and some of you fuckers would disagree with me!!! ;-)
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      Reply #446: Feb 28, 2019 02:10:18 pm
      Mate, I agree that Trent should have started against UTD but you cannot put yesterdays performance down to purely Trent replacing Milly at RB, while I agree Trent offers an enormous amount more going forward, it was, in fact, Milner's ability to fill in when either Robbo or Trant got forward and high enough.

      Its not just down to Trent but it sure as hell helped, I think Milner playing in midfield instead of Hendo also helped actually as Milner is generally far more positive in his play and looks to move the ball forwards and even, shock horror, dribble with the ball!!!
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      Reply #447: Feb 28, 2019 02:16:06 pm
      Wow, what a performance and what a result. We really needed that to give us a much needed confidence boost.

      I'll be honest, seeing the starting line up I was quite nervous going into this game. I didn't like the look of our midfield and I'd have played Keita ahead of Milner personally (if he's fit enough to be on the bench then he's fit enough to start in my old fashioned opinion). I'd have also gone with shaqiri instead of origi too.

      Anyway, nothing much to say really because from the first minute we completely dominated the game. We played some excellent football and scored some brilliant goals. Defensively we were sound as usual so it was just the perfect, textbook performance.

      Special mention to young Trent who made three assists, the youngest player to ever do so in a Prem game I believe, what an achievement. I can't help but think we might have gotten a win at old Trafford if Trent had played considering the amount of time and space Milner found himself in at times.

      Great to see mane and van dijk bag a brace each but I'm extra pleased for divock who scored a great goal. We might end up needing him with this run in so hopefully he's bouncing and full of confidence after that.

      Slight concern would be Salah who had moments of brilliance as usual but I think he's trying just a little bit too hard at the moment rather than keeping things basic and simple. Hes gotten a bit greedy too and he just needs to chill out a little bit.

      Well done reds. We needed three points and we got them in style. Now we move on to the Derby. Those idiots across the park are going to be fired up for this one so we need to come racing out of the traps and put them in their place early. Massive game.
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      Reply #448: Feb 28, 2019 02:43:55 pm
      Superb team performance, with special mentions to Virgil, Fabinho, Mane and Trent although the whole team was fantastic.

      Can someone tell me again how starting Trent instead of Milner against Manure would have made no difference ;-)

      That was exactly the result we needed whilst Citeh huffed and puffed again to win their match, I sense momentum shifting again.



      Try to think for just a bit instead of just rushing to your keyboard. Perhaps not having started a game for 5 weeks prior to Bayern meant that he could not come back and play 3 games in a week. Perhaps the reason he looked so good last night is because he was "eased" back in and given proper rest since his last game. After a 5-week layoff, how do you know he would have played against United the way he did against Watford when he only would have had a few day's rest?
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      Re: Liverpool 5-0 Watford: In game and Post Match discussion
      Reply #449: Feb 28, 2019 04:09:47 pm
      I'd rather we played our best RB against Manure and rested him yesterday, if needed, or does beating Manure not appeal to you? Anyway bored of this, I could say the Pope is Catholic and some of you fuckers would disagree with me!!! ;-)

      I get what your saying with playing best v manure.

      But Klopp and fitness guys decided against it, for the good of the player and the good of the rest of the season.

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