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      Re: We are set up not to lose a game
      Reply #30: Mar 06, 2019 11:02:29 am
      Evidence that we are definitely playing more tighter and as the OP suggests there is an element of truth in playing to not lose.

      https://twitter.com/statsbomb/status/1102967599166603264?s=21
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      Reply #31: Mar 06, 2019 11:37:32 am
      So abandon the football that has got us in this position and go back to the football that had us finishing 4th?
      At this point Yes or' you could pray for a almighty slip up by City, hoping that they lose three or more game,(Highly unlikely) and we win and draw the rest of ours
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      Re: We are set up not to lose a game
      Reply #32: Mar 06, 2019 11:41:22 am
      The last console I played was the SNES and it was the first version of Mario Kart. Never played any football management games
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      Re: We are set up not to lose a game
      Reply #33: Mar 06, 2019 11:50:16 am

      We are on target for our highest ever EPL points season, win or lose the league that is a monumental effort.

      In reality it is of little succor unless we win the title...
      Its like saying you finished second in a 100 meter final win a personal best time
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      Re: We are set up not to lose a game
      Reply #34: Mar 06, 2019 11:52:36 am
      At this point Yes or' you could pray for a almighty slip up by City, hoping that they lose three or more game,(Highly unlikely) and we win and draw the rest of ours

      What the Pastor was referring to I think is that this is not a game where you bring on all your attackers & leave yourself open to the counter, which was happening quite a lot last season whilst we were banging them in on one end & leaking just as much on the other...

      Klopp is playing chess with football..there is a strategy in place that has us where we are, this  strategy will also see us win the league.. bear with the Boss & team over the next 9 finals..

      Just to add, Ox will be back who can be that creative spark we lack behind our front 3..

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      Reply #35: Mar 06, 2019 12:06:40 pm
      We don't need to change anything major, I love our new defensive solidity this season, 15 goals conceded at this stage is amazing but one of the reasons for that is that we play with 2 banks of defense, the CB's, FB's plus 3 defensive midfielders, its a bit to negative in my opinion and puts way to much emphasis on the forwards and FB's having amazing games which they simply can't have every game. All I want to see is that we replace 1 of the defensive midfielders with a proper Attacking midfielder we have three (Ox, Keita and Shaquiri) who can offer penetration through the middle and link up with the forwards. We will still have more than enough defensive cover but it will lead to better chances being created and that's all we need at this stage.
      With this new formation we may concede a few more goals, but it will be more than compensated by the extra chances and goals created.
      Come on Jürgen time to take the shackles off now.
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      Reply #36: Mar 06, 2019 12:15:54 pm
      In reality it is of little succor unless we win the title...
      Its like saying you finished second in a 100 meter final win a personal best time

      The progress of the team this season is success, and the evidence is there that we will only keep getting better.

      But obviously everyone wants to win, Im just being a bit sensible and always see the positives.
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      Re: We are set up not to lose a game
      Reply #37: Mar 06, 2019 01:07:55 pm
      Not sure if it's quite 'set up not to lose' but there's no doubt we are tighter and more compact this season. And there's no doubt around the success of it - the fact we are one point off top rather than in a mad scramble for a top 4 finish.

      I do think the current system (and personnel to a degree) puts too much pressure on our front three to both create and take chances though. There's only really the full backs who help them out in that extent.

      The fact that we were a dodgy knee away from signing Fekir shows that Klopp is well aware of the issues in our midfield and I expect he'll address it this summer.
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      Reply #38: Mar 06, 2019 01:27:10 pm
      Not sure if it's quite 'set up not to lose' but there's no doubt we are tighter and more compact this season. And there's no doubt around the success of it - the fact we are one point off top rather than in a mad scramble for a top 4 finish.

      I do think the current system (and personnel to a degree) puts too much pressure on our front three to both create and take chances though. There's only really the full backs who help them out in that extent.

      The fact that we were a dodgy knee away from signing Fekir shows that Klopp is well aware of the issues in our midfield and I expect he'll address it this summer.

      I agree about Fekir but what then is the point of Shaq and Keita, why were they signed if not to offer an attacking threat in midfield?
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      Re: We are set up not to lose a game
      Reply #39: Mar 06, 2019 01:54:35 pm
      I agree about Fekir but what then is the point of Shaq and Keita, why were they signed if not to offer an attacking threat in midfield?


      Neither of those two are a No10 like Fekir.
      Shaq was likely signed to play as cover for the front 3 hence why he is never picked in midfield.

      Keita is a box to box midfielder with good attacking numbers but for what ever reason we have not yet seen the best from him.
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      Re: We are set up not to lose a game
      Reply #40: Mar 06, 2019 01:57:04 pm
      The last console I played was the SNES and it was the first version of Mario Kart. Never played any football management games

      We've had 7 draws in the league.

      United away - good result
      Chelsea away - good result
      Arsenal away - good result
      Everton away - decent result
      City home - decent result.

      We’ve literally had 2 'bad' draws all season being the Leicester and West Ham game.

      Man City away is our only defeat.

      Explain how we are set up to not lose when we have 21 WINS?
      « Last Edit: Mar 06, 2019 05:10:29 pm by PastorGeek »
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      Reply #41: Mar 06, 2019 02:24:39 pm
      Will never win if team can't score even one goal.
      Blanked in 3 of last 4
      Scored 1 goal total on European soil this year

      Lack of midfield scoring is glaring
      Expecting Salah to zig and zag through fortified walls is a fools game
      In 2017-18, LFC was at their scoring best when balls were delivered into the box from deep in the corners, usually by Milner on the right side. This season, the plan is to get the ball to Salah 25 yards out. He has success vs weak teams with slow defenders. He has no success vs. defenders that can match his speed.
      Firmino gets far too much credit for the little amount of time he actually possesses the ball in most games. Sometimes invisible.
      This team needs to be bolder now....assume some risk in the backfield by sending backs and middies deeper into the corners. Nil Nil matches are crushing this team's title hopes.
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      Re: We are set up not to lose a game
      Reply #42: Mar 06, 2019 02:28:11 pm
      We've had 7 draws in the league.

      United away - good result
      Chelsea away - good result
      Arsenal away - good result
      Everton away - decent result
      City home - decent result.

      We’ve literally had 2 'bad' draws all season being the Leicester and West Ham.

      Man City away is our only defeat.

      Explain how we are set up to not lose when we have 21 WINS?

      erm because we play with 3 defensive midfielders most games. We have no natural #10, almost no goals from midfield and very little threat coming from midfield, that's how we are set up not to lose.
      All I and I think a few others suggest is that we swap out one of the defensive midfielders with someone with more creativity and drive, like Shaq, Keita or the Ox. Its not a big change but it could yield big differences in unlocking defenses whilst not really compromising the defense very much.
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      Re: We are set up not to lose a game
      Reply #43: Mar 06, 2019 02:31:55 pm
      Will never win if team can't score even one goal.
      Blanked in 3 of last 4
      Scored 1 goal total on European soil this year

      Lack of midfield scoring is glaring
      Expecting Salah to zig and zag through fortified walls is a fools game
      In 2017-18, LFC was at their scoring best when balls were delivered into the box from deep in the corners, usually by Milner on the right side. This season, the plan is to get the ball to Salah 25 yards out. He has success vs weak teams with slow defenders. He has no success vs. defenders that can match his speed.
      Firmino gets far too much credit for the little amount of time he actually possesses the ball in most games. Sometimes invisible.
      This team needs to be bolder now....assume some risk in the backfield by sending backs and middies deeper into the corners. Nil Nil matches are crushing this team's title hopes.

      100% agree with this, we've lost our pressing in most games, build up play is far to slow sometimes. When you combine that with an underperforming strike force you see the results we've had.
      Simple solution introduce a threat from midfield, someone to run with the ball, link up play. Can you just imagine having a Stevie G type of player in the team right now. Keita is obviously not quite there but he'd offer a lot more than Milner or Henderson in an attacking sense.
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      Re: We are set up not to lose a game
      Reply #44: Mar 06, 2019 03:00:56 pm
      What the Pastor was referring to I think is that this is not a game where you bring on all your attackers & leave yourself open to the counter, which was happening quite a lot last season whilst we were banging them in on one end & leaking just as much on the other...

      Klopp is playing chess with football..there is a strategy in place that has us where we are, this  strategy will also see us win the league.. bear with the Boss & team over the next 9 finals..

      Just to add, Ox will be back who can be that creative spark we lack behind our front 3..

      Shabs, Last season; until January at least, we did not have VVD, after signing him we were leaking less goals. This season we add Allison, and Midfield to help protect the back four we have Fab' so defensively we are stronger than last season. So why not instate he high press from last season to get those wins  and trust in the players we have bought in to do the defensive work they were bought in for...?
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      Re: We are set up not to lose a game
      Reply #45: Mar 06, 2019 03:05:14 pm
      We've had 7 draws in the league.

      United away - good result
      Chelsea away - good result
      Arsenal away - good result
      Everton away - decent result
      City home - decent result.

      We’ve literally had 2 'bad' draws all season being the Leicester and West Ham.

      Man City away is our only defeat.

      Explain how we are set up to not lose when we have 21 WINS?

      correct.
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      Reply #46: Mar 06, 2019 03:08:05 pm
      We don't need to change anything major, I love our new defensive solidity this season, 15 goals conceded at this stage is amazing but one of the reasons for that is that we play with 2 banks of defense, the CB's, FB's plus 3 defensive midfielders, its a bit to negative in my opinion and puts way to much emphasis on the forwards and FB's having amazing games which they simply can't have every game. All I want to see is that we replace 1 of the defensive midfielders with a proper Attacking midfielder we have three (Ox, Keita and Shaquiri) who can offer penetration through the middle and link up with the forwards. We will still have more than enough defensive cover but it will lead to better chances being created and that's all we need at this stage.
      With this new formation we may concede a few more goals, but it will be more than compensated by the extra chances and goals created

      Come on Jürgen time to take the shackles off now.

      That there is the whole point i have been making all these months... We maybe shipping less goals but we are also struggling to score them. The play has been slowed, and defensive given too much time to reset themselves, and chances harder to find.
      Can't see why people are not seeing it
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      Re: We are set up not to lose a game
      Reply #47: Mar 06, 2019 03:13:54 pm
      We've had 7 draws in the league.

      United away - good result
      Chelsea away - good result
      Arsenal away - good result
      Everton away - decent result
      City home - decent result.

      We’ve literally had 2 'bad' draws all season being the Leicester and West Ham.

      Man City away is our only defeat.

      Explain how we are set up to not lose when we have 21 WINS?

      Did I say/state anywhere that we are set up not to lose
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      Re: We are set up not to lose a game
      Reply #48: Mar 06, 2019 03:20:18 pm
      64 goals in 29 games, yet according to some "we struggle to score.

      It's the 2nd highest in the league, but "we struggle to score"

      It is beaten only by our defensive record, where we are first in the league for fewest goals conceded.

      Last season we scored 84 leagues goals, and conceded 38.

      Even if we round down the goals per game (yet to be played) to 2, we are still on track for 82 goals this season.
      If we use 2.2 goals per game, we get 83.6 goals for the season which rounds up to 84, the same as last season.
      And yet some would have it that "we struggle to score".

      What an immense steaming pile of f**king horseshit.

      Just a cursory look at stats tells anyone with half a brain, that we are not struggling to score over the course of the season.
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      Reply #49: Mar 06, 2019 04:54:04 pm
      It’s all about balance in football.

      If you think about the performances under Rodgers and Klopp in his first 2 seasons, it was all out attack and very exciting to watch but with a huge sacrifice of defence and it never felt we were in control of the outcome of games.

      Under Rafa, on the whole, we were a defensive side and would often try to score a goal and then play very deep and try to catch the opponent on the counter but by playing this way, we sacrificed our attack.

      This shows that regardless of the group of players you have, if you opt for heavy metal, you’re going to concede a sh*t ton. If you park a bus, you’re not going to blow anyone away. You need to find a balance.

      I believe this season that Klopp has found the balance and that is the underlying reason why we are up there fighting for the title. I’m quite happy for us to play a little less exciting and a little more controlled if it means we are winning trophies.

      As Jamie Carragher said on Sky, if Liverpool are to win the league, it’ll be thanks to the defence, not the attack.
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      Reply #50: Mar 06, 2019 05:48:20 pm
      I agree about Fekir but what then is the point of Shaq and Keita, why were they signed if not to offer an attacking threat in midfield?


      Keita obviously wasn't signed with that role in mind considering we went after Fekir when Naby had already signed for us.

      Shaqiri doesn't play in midfield. Whenever he has started we've gone 4-2-3-1 and put Salah up top to fit him in.
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      Reply #51: Mar 06, 2019 06:00:37 pm
      It’s all about balance in football.

      If you think about the performances under Rodgers and Klopp in his first 2 seasons, it was all out attack and very exciting to watch but with a huge sacrifice of defence and it never felt we were in control of the outcome of games.

      Under Rafa, on the whole, we were a defensive side and would often try to score a goal and then play very deep and try to catch the opponent on the counter but by playing this way, we sacrificed our attack.

      This shows that regardless of the group of players you have, if you opt for heavy metal, you’re going to concede a sh*t ton. If you park a bus, you’re not going to blow anyone away. You need to find a balance.

      I believe this season that Klopp has found the balance and that is the underlying reason why we are up there fighting for the title. I’m quite happy for us to play a little less exciting and a little more controlled if it means we are winning trophies.

      As Jamie Carragher said on Sky, if Liverpool are to win the league, it’ll be thanks to the defence, not the attack.

      Of course it's about balance, and IMO we're pretty close to being superbly balanced no matter the system
      Ox is the biggest miss for us this season, but we also need another player for the bus parkers.
      A lot of people identify it as the #10 role, and I'd agree with that.
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      Reply #52: Mar 06, 2019 06:10:41 pm
      64 goals in 29 games, yet according to some "we struggle to score.

      It's the 2nd highest in the league, but "we struggle to score"

      It is beaten only by our defensive record, where we are first in the league for fewest goals conceded.

      Last season we scored 84 leagues goals, and conceded 38.

      Even if we round down the goals per game (yet to be played) to 2, we are still on track for 82 goals this season.
      If we use 2.2 goals per game, we get 83.6 goals for the season which rounds up to 84, the same as last season.
      And yet some would have it that "we struggle to score".

      What an immense steaming pile of f**king horseshit.

      Just a cursory look at stats tells anyone with half a brain, that we are not struggling to score over the course of the season.

      too many generalizations happening by fans because of clickbait pundits trying to push a narrative and twitter accounts with salahLFC in their names with knee jerk reactions.

      PUNDITS are literally saying SALAH IS HAVING A BAD SEASON WHEN HES THE 2ND HIGHEST GOAL SCORER BY 1 GOAL!

      its truely bizarre. FEELINGS OVER FACTS. THEY WANT US TO PLAY LIKE WE DID LAST SEASON WHEN WE ACTUALLY FINISHED FOURTH!!

      THIS SEASON HAS ACTUALLY BEEN AMAZING, THESE PEOPLE ARE LITERALLY FOOTBALL SNOWFLAKES.

      DO YOURSELVES A FAVOR AND SEE OVER THE PAST FEW YEARS THE POINTS TOTALS OF TEAMS AT THE TOP AFTER 29 GAMES. LOOK AT THEIR RECORDS

      https://www.premierleague.com/tables?co=1&se=54&ha=-1

      GET IT THROUGH YOUR HEADS THAT WE ARE HAVING AN ASTOUNDING SEASON
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      Reply #53: Mar 06, 2019 06:12:52 pm
      There's several players at our club that wouldn't get in the other top 6 starting XI and others that wouldn't get on their bench. Henderson wouldn't get in the starting XI at City or Chelsea, United, Arsenal or Spurs and if we were to offer Lallana on a free, most the top half of the table would decline.
      Henderson played in the draws against Everton, United, Leicester, Chelsea, City and the City loss.
      Lallana played in the draws against Everton and West Ham.

      The only game we have not won that didn't feature Lallana or Henderson was against Arsenal.

      It's not because Henderson plays a lot, the stats are we have got almost double the points in the games Henderson has not played in.

      In answer to the topic, if we want a draw.. pick Henderson, of we want to win pick somebody else.
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      Reply #54: Mar 06, 2019 06:14:29 pm
      too many generalizations happening by fans because of clickbait pundits trying to push a narrative and twitter accounts with salahLFC in their names with knee jerk reactions.

      PUNDITS are literally saying SALAH IS HAVING A BAD SEASON WHEN HES THE 2ND HIGHEST GOAL SCORER BY 1 GOAL!

      its truely bizarre. FEELINGS OVER FACTS. THEY WANT US TO PLAY LIKE WE DID LAST SEASON WHEN WE ACTUALLY FINISHED FOURTH!!

      THIS SEASON HAS ACTUALLY BEEN AMAZING, THESE PEOPLE ARE LITERALLY FOOTBALL SNOWFLAKES.

      Facts mean nothing, Klopp's own words mean nothing, only Barry from t'interweb has a clue, because he has 12k twitter followers.

      It's f**king bizarre.

      Like JD said, if you can't enjoy this season, maybe footballs not the game for you (not you PG, just a generic "you" ;D  )

      On the other hand, some people just get off on whinging and trying to stir the sh*t, or spoil other people's enjoyment.
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      Reply #55: Mar 06, 2019 06:17:31 pm
      There's several players at our club that wouldn't get in the other top 6 starting XI and others that wouldn't get on their bench. Henderson wouldn't get in the starting XI at City or Chelsea, United, Arsenal or Spurs and if we were to offer Lallana on a free, most the top half of the table would decline.
      Henderson played in the draws against Everton, United, Leicester, Chelsea, City and the City loss.
      Lallana played in the draws against Everton and West Ham.

      The only game we have not won that didn't feature Lallana or Henderson was against Arsenal.

      It's not because Henderson plays a lot, the stats are we have got almost double the points in the games Henderson has not played in.

      In answer to the topic, if we want a draw.. pick Henderson, of we want to win pick somebody else.

      This is what I mean.

      The "we don't score enough goals" bollocks gets destroyed, so here comes this fucknugget to try and stir the pot again with the same bullshit arguments he's been using to try and get a rise out of people all season.

      He doesn't understand that he's overplaying his hand, and people are starting to get pissed off with his little forum gang.
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      Reply #56: Mar 06, 2019 06:22:24 pm
      This is what I mean.

      The "we don't score enough goals" bollocks gets destroyed, so here comes this fucknugget to try and stir the pot again with the same bullshit arguments he's been using to try and get a rise out of people all season.

      He doesn't understand that he's overplaying his hand, and people are starting to get pissed off with his little forum gang.

      https://twitter.com/rajsinghchohan/status/1102628572987097091?s=19

      https://twitter.com/rajsinghchohan/status/1102287280859987980?s=19

      How am I trying to get a rise out of anyone? What do you think about these stats Shabs?

      Based on those stats if Henderson started every game we'd be slogging out out with Newcastle and Palace.
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      Reply #57: Mar 06, 2019 06:25:17 pm

       :lmao: :lmao: :lmao:

      Liverpool had a better win percentage without Gerrard in the team, than they did with Gerrard in the team.

      This also isn't the Henderson thread, but no one was biting in there, so up you pop with yet another attempt at derailing.
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      Reply #58: Mar 06, 2019 06:31:11 pm
      :lmao: :lmao: :lmao:

      Liverpool had a better win percentage without Gerrard in the team, than they did with Gerrard in the team.

      This also isn't the Henderson thread, but no one was biting in there, so up you pop with yet another attempt at derailing.
      no, but if it's about set up to draw it's the Henderson 2 thread. It's funny, every time I back my points up with facts you smokescreen it with Gerrard and it's not the Henderson thread. So show me the Gerrard stats then? Otherwise I'm calling that one bullsh*t.

      You see, now we are talking about Gerrard and not how bad Henderson has been. You truly are the master of changing the subject everytime you are beat. You accused me of derailing? Hypocrit. You have no counter to Henderson's performances because stats hands down that cannot be argued with show we've been pathetic in the games he's started in.
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      Re: We are set up not to lose a game
      Reply #59: Mar 06, 2019 06:31:18 pm
      There's several players at our club that wouldn't get in the other top 6 starting XI and others that wouldn't get on their bench.

      Who gives a sh*t?

      So we've got players that wouldn't get into sides but we're still better than them and higher in the league?

      Utter drivel.

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