Trending Topics

      Next match: LFC v Huddersfield [Premier League] Fri 26th Apr @ 8:00 pm
      Anfield

      Today is the 23rd of April and on this date LFC's match record is P25 W11 D4 L10

      We are set up not to lose a game

      Read 2190 times
      0 Members and 1 Guest are viewing this topic.
      PastorGeek
      • Not Actual Geek
      • Forum Legend - Benitez
      • *****

      • 1,560 posts | 285 
      Re: We are set up not to lose a game
      Reply #75: Mar 06, 2019 08:56:02 pm
      So, to recap;
      we should be playing players whose performances so far can charitably be called inconsistent, in the style that saw us come 4th, even though we are currently on track to at least equal last seasons goal tally, because "we don't score enough" or "set up not to lose" as opposed, I assume, to setting a team up to lose, which is basically what we did last season by being too attacking, even though we only scored the same number of goals, but conceded nearly 3 times as many.

      Makes perfect sense.
       :roll:

      dont forget. we a 'can't score' and are 'set up not to lose' with the 2nd highest amount of goals in the league, and the 2nd top scorer, by one goal. who coincidentally is having a terrible season, and cant find the back of the net.
      srslfc
      • LFC Reds Subscriber
      • *****
      • 25,640 posts | 2001 
      Re: We are set up not to lose a game
      Reply #76: Mar 06, 2019 09:05:13 pm
      Keita, Fab and Shaqiri should be starting, they are marquee players. Gini should rotate with Keita and Fab. Milner and Henderson should be on the bench. It's very frustrating having our best players on the bench like that, when the front 3 are having a bad spell the midfield need to be able to grab a goal. That's what we are lacking right now.

      I love how you answer a question by not answering it Rip.

      I'll try one more time though.

      Explain if we have so many players who wouldn't make the other top 6 sides or even get on the bench, how we've managed to stay well ahead of those sides and only a point from the top of the league?



      Brian78
      • Forum Legend - Paisley
      • *****

      • 14,635 posts | 1118 
      • A Liverbird upon my chest
      Re: We are set up not to lose a game
      Reply #77: Mar 06, 2019 09:34:42 pm
      Its unfortunate that when we added a top class keeper and bedt centre half in the game that we just lost that bit of zip we had going forward. Maybe Alex OC had more to do with that last season then we realised,?

      If we can get that crazy attack back to last years form while remaining as solid as we are at the back we could still end up with 2 little trophies in the cabinet
      srslfc
      • LFC Reds Subscriber
      • *****
      • 25,640 posts | 2001 
      Re: We are set up not to lose a game
      Reply #78: Mar 06, 2019 09:47:34 pm
      Its unfortunate that when we added a top class keeper and bedt centre half in the game that we just lost that bit of zip we had going forward. Maybe Alex OC had more to do with that last season then we realised,?

      If we can get that crazy attack back to last years form while remaining as solid as we are at the back we could still end up with 2 little trophies in the cabinet

      We've only scored 3 less goals than this time last season though and conceded 17 less goals.

      Despite how it looks we don't appear to have much trouble scoring and alongside that concede far less and win more games.

      It looks like some are trying to see something that isn't really there just on the back of two tough goalless drawn games.
      Brian78
      • Forum Legend - Paisley
      • *****

      • 14,635 posts | 1118 
      • A Liverbird upon my chest
      Re: We are set up not to lose a game
      Reply #79: Mar 06, 2019 10:11:04 pm
      We've only scored 3 less goals than this time last season though and conceded 17 less goals.

      Despite how it looks we don't appear to have much trouble scoring and alongside that concede far less and win more games.

      It looks like some are trying to see something that isn't really there just on the back of two tough goalless drawn games.

      Suprising stat that. We certainly dont look as lethal going forward as last season hsrd to believe weve only scored e less
      RC9
      • LFC Reds Subscriber
      • *****
      • 8,265 posts | 287 
      • Formerly known as Vtorres, Vsuarez, and Vsterling.
      Re: We are set up not to lose a game
      Reply #80: Mar 07, 2019 08:29:03 am
      As other posters have rightfully highlighted, we are scoring near enough the same and have more points than this time last season, so are we really set up to lose?

      What I think is that Klopp and his team decided this season we HAD to stop leaking goals and to do this we need to be more compact and less adventurous when going forward. Rather than go full throttle at every chance of attack, pick one choose the right attack the one which if it doesn't work doesn't leave the team vulnerable on the counter.

      This new philosophy IMO has led our front three to get less chances going forward which puts a lot of emphasis on how clinical they have to be, which wasnt the case last season. We looked very clinical last season but the truth of the matter was that we made so many chances it didn't matter if we missed 2 or 3 but this season we cant afford to miss them.

      Like others have stated it has done us well so far this slight change in tactics as we have led the table for the majority of the season so why change it, what I would like to see is when we need a win and it's not working e.g 0-0 20 minutes to go Klopp to make an active change in tactics and player substitutions to go full throttle and get the win, rather than be conservative.
      heimdall
      • LFC Reds Subscriber
      • *****
      • 8,202 posts | 1732 
      Re: We are set up not to lose a game
      Reply #81: Mar 07, 2019 10:39:23 am
      Facts mean nothing, Klopp's own words mean nothing, only Barry from t'interweb has a clue, because he has 12k twitter followers.

      It's f**king bizarre.

      Like JD said, if you can't enjoy this season, maybe footballs not the game for you (not you PG, just a generic "you" ;D  )

      On the other hand, some people just get off on whinging and trying to stir the sh*t, or spoil other people's enjoyment.

      who is saying they don't enjoy this season, defensively and as team we have been magnificent but in a hell of a lot of games we have huffed and puffed this season and the attack has not carried the same danger as it did last season, it just hasn't, irrespective of stats.
      What I want is a small adjustment to midfield to make it more attacking, I think we would gain massively from doing that.
      heimdall
      • LFC Reds Subscriber
      • *****
      • 8,202 posts | 1732 
      Re: We are set up not to lose a game
      Reply #82: Mar 07, 2019 10:44:39 am
      dont forget. we a 'can't score' and are 'set up not to lose' with the 2nd highest amount of goals in the league, and the 2nd top scorer, by one goal. who coincidentally is having a terrible season, and cant find the back of the net.

      How many did we score against Bayern, Man Utd and Everton, how much of a goal threat did midfield provide in those games?
      If you guys can not see that having an attacking threat from midfield is very useful to any team then there is simply no point debating this.
      Having a potent midfield is the best way to unlock packed defences, because if the defending team know that all they need to do is mark 3 forwards then it becomes easy, if on the other hand you add a midfielder bursting into the box into the mix then it becomes a lot more complex to defend, that is fairly obvious isn't it??
      heimdall
      • LFC Reds Subscriber
      • *****
      • 8,202 posts | 1732 
      Re: We are set up not to lose a game
      Reply #83: Mar 07, 2019 10:45:43 am
      Suprising stat that. We certainly dont look as lethal going forward as last season hsrd to believe weve only scored e less

      Same as the stat about us being the best at set pieces, I honestly cannot understand where those 18+ goals have come from, were they all at the start of the season?
      Swab
      • Forum Legend - Paisley
      • *****

      • 11,219 posts | 2161 
      Re: We are set up not to lose a game
      Reply #84: Mar 07, 2019 12:03:37 pm
      Suprising stat that. We certainly dont look as lethal going forward as last season hsrd to believe weve only scored e less

      I think we need to remember other factors as well.
      Teams have become so defensive when we play them, that it is now about being methodical and grinding out a win without giving anything away.
      We so rarely get the chance to just blitz teams at the start of matches this season, but we showed against Watford that if teams play an open game, we can still take them apart.
      Mickred
      • Forum Jamie Redknapp
      • ***
      • Started Topic

      • 314 posts | 39 
      Re: We are set up not to lose a game
      Reply #85: Mar 07, 2019 01:23:02 pm
      There is not a lack of goals, it is just that lately, we don't score that crucial goal to turn a draw into a win, which could end up proving costly.

      hardcoresoldier
      • LFC Reds Subscriber
      • *****
      • 4,427 posts | 914 
      • The Liverpool Way is The Only Way
      Re: We are set up not to lose a game
      Reply #86: Mar 07, 2019 01:46:25 pm
      Souness got it spot on for me last week. Six goals from all our midfielders is simply not a good enough return. The sooner we can get Ox back the better.
      PastorGeek
      • Not Actual Geek
      • Forum Legend - Benitez
      • *****

      • 1,560 posts | 285 
      Re: We are set up not to lose a game
      Reply #87: Mar 07, 2019 05:31:06 pm
      How many did we score against Bayern, Man Utd and Everton.

      You voted Leave didn't you?
      Ribapuru
      • Forum Legend - Paisley
      • *****

      • 10,791 posts | 1352 
      Re: We are set up not to lose a game
      Reply #88: Mar 07, 2019 05:57:00 pm
      Since the window closed we sucked compared to before it closed, other teams reinforced and we didn't.
      Borg
      • Forum Paul Ince
      • *

      • 86 posts | 27 
      Re: We are set up not to lose a game
      Reply #89: Mar 07, 2019 06:16:01 pm
      How many did we score against Bayern, Man Utd and Everton, how much of a goal threat did midfield provide in those games?
      If you guys can not see that having an attacking threat from midfield is very useful to any team then there is simply no point debating this.
      Having a potent midfield is the best way to unlock packed defences, because if the defending team know that all they need to do is mark 3 forwards then it becomes easy, if on the other hand you add a midfielder bursting into the box into the mix then it becomes a lot more complex to defend, that is fairly obvious isn't it??
      Exactly
      From +7 to -1 in standings because the team can't put the ball in the net. Not verses top PL teams. Not vs CL teams on European soil.
      But reading these willfully ignorant /head in the sand deniers who view all ties as grand results.....priceless.
      The elite teams of the world who go after 3 and 4 trophies each season treat ties with disdain. Cucked LFC fans who haven't tasted real glory in multi decades cling to low expectations.
      Fans satisfied with ties deserve these ties.
      HScRed1
      • LFC Reds Subscriber
      • *****
      • 14,323 posts | 2934 
      Re: We are set up not to lose a game
      Reply #90: Mar 07, 2019 06:22:57 pm
      Since the window closed we sucked compared to before it closed, other teams reinforced and we didn't.

      Who reinforced?
      Ribapuru
      • Forum Legend - Paisley
      • *****

      • 10,791 posts | 1352 
      Re: We are set up not to lose a game
      Reply #91: Mar 07, 2019 06:45:23 pm
      Chelsea got Higuian, West Ham got Nasri, Leicester got Tielemans, Arsenal got Denis Suarez, City got Palaversa, we got rid of players.
      Norfolk Red
      • LFC Reds Subscriber
      • *****
      • 543 posts | 129 
      Re: We are set up not to lose a game
      Reply #92: Mar 07, 2019 06:50:31 pm
      Chelsea got Higuian, West Ham got Nasri, Leicester got Tielemans, Arsenal got Denis Suarez, City got Palaversa, we got rid of players.

      Wow, West Ham got Nasri he is really ripping the Premiership apart. We got a new tea lady at Anfield much better deal. Stop clutching at straws and move on, we didn't sign anyone.
      HScRed1
      • LFC Reds Subscriber
      • *****
      • 14,323 posts | 2934 
      Re: We are set up not to lose a game
      Reply #93: Mar 07, 2019 06:50:33 pm
      Chelsea got Higuian, West Ham got Nasri, Leicester got Tielemans, Arsenal got Denis Suarez, City got Palaversa, we got rid of players.

      So out of the teams competing with us for the title City got Palaversa 😂.

      You don’t do yourself any favours do you and you wonder why people think you’re a plonker!
      David Wright
      • LFC Reds Subscriber
      • *****
      • 2,938 posts | 162 
      Re: We are set up not to lose a game
      Reply #94: Mar 07, 2019 06:59:34 pm
      It is one thing not losing games, but too many draws, simply mean dropping too many points in the title race.
      bmck
      • LFC Reds Subscriber
      • *****
      • 5,813 posts | 785 
      • YNWA
      Re: We are set up not to lose a game
      Reply #95: Mar 07, 2019 07:23:57 pm
      Only 9 PL matches left...

      2017/18
      Salah     44
      Firmino  27
      Mane     20
      Coutinho 12   [half a season]

      2018/19
      Salah     20
      Mane     15
      Firmino  11

      Think the striker stats bear out what we've seen this season, Mo and Bob well below their hauls from last season - while Sadio could improve on his.  Tough for Jürgen as the 3 lads have only clicked for periods of time this season.

      Fair enough, the midfield could chip in with more - BUT Hendo/Gini/Milly have scored pretty much the same as last season, so their goal numbers this year should be no surprise.

      Bigger prob than them is we didn't manage to replace Coutinho's goals [and creativity] from the middle. Plus Emre also scored more goals than Ox lasy year - obviously it would be great to have AOC available, but won't expect massive things as he was still behind those guys score wise, and would be coming back after off a really long layoff.

      Keita/Fab/Shaq have 7 goals between them - Keita none. Maybe could have given them more time, but don't think Fab is going to score many anyway, not his game, Shaq has been a sub, and Ketia has been injured/out of form majority of the time.

      Our defense is unrecognisable though. Excellent back there now :) VVD is nailed on for player of the year, and is the best CB in football. Keeper, FBs excellent too. And Gomez when fit. But in general, Matip and Lovren have filled in OK - to the extent that defense is not a concern.
      We've not needed to score as many goals to win the same number of points [on average], which is just as well.

      4 draws from last 6. Think Citeh won last 5 in PL.
      Don't think Jürgen will be relying on 'things changing quickly in football' - he'll be looking at things and trying to figure out how HE can change them. Could we see more of Keita/Shaq in the midfield? Maybe play Mane in the middle, Origi on left, and Firmino in behind? Drop Matip, and play Fab in there to play more accurate balls over the top? Not start Mo?
      Just not sure we can keep playing the same and just expect things to change.

      Dunno, just really hope we can turn this round. With CL matches, makes it more likely have to give other guys a bit more time. Just hope if/when they get their chance, they grab it with both hands and make a real impact. We NEED those guys to contribute, can't rely on the same guys all the time, and expect they'll have a season long purple patch.

      Whatever happens though this season, Jürgen is still the man :)
      CT_LFC
      • Forum Legend - Benitez
      • *****

      • 1,115 posts | 243 
      Re: We are set up not to lose a game
      Reply #96: Mar 07, 2019 07:30:35 pm

      Bigger prob than them is we didn't manage to replace Coutinho's goals [and creativity] from the middle. Plus Emre also scored more goals than Ox lasy year - obviously it would be great to have AOC available, but won't expect massive things as he was still behind those guys score wise, and would be coming back after off a really long layoff.


      Which team(s) had more points than Liverpool from Jan-May of last season after we sold Cuntinho?
      PastorGeek
      • Not Actual Geek
      • Forum Legend - Benitez
      • *****

      • 1,560 posts | 285 
      Re: We are set up not to lose a game
      Reply #97: Mar 07, 2019 08:48:42 pm
      It is one thing not losing games, but too many draws, simply mean dropping too many points in the title race.

      look at the league table dog. Drawing 7 games of 29 is not drawing 'too many' games. By any stretch of the imagination.
      bmck
      • LFC Reds Subscriber
      • *****
      • 5,813 posts | 785 
      • YNWA
      Re: We are set up not to lose a game
      Reply #98: Mar 07, 2019 09:08:21 pm
      Which team(s) had more points than Liverpool from Jan-May of last season after we sold Cuntinho?

      Was just saying there that when looking at goals from midfield, we don't have as many not because the guys we have are scoring less compared with last season, rather the ones that came in [replacing the ones that left] didn't get close to the numbers of the ones that left.
      sore monad
      • Forum Legend - Benitez
      • *****

      • 1,113 posts | 209 
      Re: We are set up not to lose a game
      Reply #99: Mar 07, 2019 09:56:42 pm
      Only 9 PL matches left...

      2017/18
      Salah     44
      Firmino  27
      Mane     20
      Coutinho 12   [half a season]

      2018/19
      Salah     20
      Mane     15
      Firmino  11

      Think the striker stats bear out what we've seen this season, Mo and Bob well below their hauls from last season - while Sadio could improve on his.  Tough for Jürgen as the 3 lads have only clicked for periods of time this season.

      Fair enough, the midfield could chip in with more - BUT Hendo/Gini/Milly have scored pretty much the same as last season, so their goal numbers this year should be no surprise.

      Bigger prob than them is we didn't manage to replace Coutinho's goals [and creativity] from the middle. Plus Emre also scored more goals than Ox lasy year - obviously it would be great to have AOC available, but won't expect massive things as he was still behind those guys score wise, and would be coming back after off a really long layoff.

      Keita/Fab/Shaq have 7 goals between them - Keita none. Maybe could have given them more time, but don't think Fab is going to score many anyway, not his game, Shaq has been a sub, and Ketia has been injured/out of form majority of the time.

      Our defense is unrecognisable though. Excellent back there now :) VVD is nailed on for player of the year, and is the best CB in football. Keeper, FBs excellent too. And Gomez when fit. But in general, Matip and Lovren have filled in OK - to the extent that defense is not a concern.
      We've not needed to score as many goals to win the same number of points [on average], which is just as well.

      4 draws from last 6. Think Citeh won last 5 in PL.
      Don't think Jürgen will be relying on 'things changing quickly in football' - he'll be looking at things and trying to figure out how HE can change them. Could we see more of Keita/Shaq in the midfield? Maybe play Mane in the middle, Origi on left, and Firmino in behind? Drop Matip, and play Fab in there to play more accurate balls over the top? Not start Mo?
      Just not sure we can keep playing the same and just expect things to change.

      Dunno, just really hope we can turn this round. With CL matches, makes it more likely have to give other guys a bit more time. Just hope if/when they get their chance, they grab it with both hands and make a real impact. We NEED those guys to contribute, can't rely on the same guys all the time, and expect they'll have a season long purple patch.

      Whatever happens though this season, Jürgen is still the man :)

      Yeah those stats are interesting. One thing is that we are very reliant on our front 3. I mean the stats for this season are still actually not bad (they're just a long way off last season), but cos we have so few goals coming from elsewhere the relative drop in form of the front 3 hurts us more than it would.

      I think that drop in goals is partly down to tactics - Jürgen has rebalanced us to be a bit more conservative, and we are defensively a lot stronger, partly as a result of that rebalancing. Partly though, it is also the individual form of the front 3 has dipped as well. It's pretty hard to do anything about the latter. But we could definitely do with a true attacking midfielder playing in front of 2 engine room midfielders, rather than playing 3 engine room types. Keita in particular I would like to see get more game time. He's been hit and miss when he's played, but he's not been that bad that he's way behind the other midfielders - and he should get some goals ( it's a shame a couple of those beauties that he hit earlier in the season didn't get saved - would have really kickstarted him I think).

      Another thing is that as things stand with Keita not having played much is that we still don't know if he is going to a key player for us next season or not. Might not seem a priority right now, but come the summer Jürgen is going to have to decide do we need another AM. I'd be playing Keita more anyway, for the reason above, but a secondary factor would be just finding out whether or not we need another AM next season or not.

      Quick Reply