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      We are set up not to lose a game

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      Ribapuru
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      Re: We are set up not to lose a game
      Reply #69: Mar 06, 2019 06:48:30 pm
      This is not the Henderson thread.

      Hey, remember that time you got a warning for typing one liners in every thread on the first page because you had a hissy fit when a thread you didn't like was allowed to stay, so you tried to get it off the first page because you thought no one would see it that way?

      Remember that?

       :lmao:

      This is not the Henderson thread.
      This is a thread about are we set up to conservative. Henderson is over conservative, where are you going with this? Trying to block all Henderson criticism again? Typical Hender defender stunt that.
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      Re: We are set up not to lose a game
      Reply #70: Mar 06, 2019 07:02:03 pm
      This is a thread about are we set up to conservative. Henderson is over conservative, where are you going with this? Trying to block all Henderson criticism again? Typical Hender defender stunt that.

      Iā€™m not Hendersonā€™s biggest fan but heā€™s only started 15 games this season, not entirely convinced heā€™s the root cause of this ā€œwe are set up to not lose gamesā€ issue. Especially considering he started a lot more games last season which is being used as a comparison for ā€˜heavy metalā€™ football.

      By the way, Gini has only scored 2 goals and no assists this season and he has started 24 games, so Iā€™m assuming heā€™s no good either if we are basing performance from stats?
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      Re: We are set up not to lose a game
      Reply #71: Mar 06, 2019 07:03:20 pm
      Stats are more powerful than this sh*t post.

      OK then I'll play along Rip.

      Say we do have players who wouldn't get into the other tops 6 sides and some who wouldn't even make their bench.

      Why would that matter if the team as a whole is above those teams and a point from the top?
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      Re: We are set up not to lose a game
      Reply #72: Mar 06, 2019 07:16:27 pm
      OK then I'll play along Rip.

      Say we do have players who wouldn't get into the other tops 6 sides and some who wouldn't even make their bench.

      Why would that matter if the team as a whole is above those teams and a point from the top?
      Keita, Fab and Shaqiri should be starting, they are marquee players. Gini should rotate with Keita and Fab. Milner and Henderson should be on the bench. It's very frustrating having our best players on the bench like that, when the front 3 are having a bad spell the midfield need to be able to grab a goal. That's what we are lacking right now.
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      Re: We are set up not to lose a game
      Reply #73: Mar 06, 2019 08:32:58 pm
      So, to recap;
      we should be playing players whose performances so far can charitably be called inconsistent, in the style that saw us come 4th, even though we are currently on track to at least equal last seasons goal tally, because "we don't score enough" or "set up not to lose" as opposed, I assume, to setting a team up to lose, which is basically what we did last season by being too attacking, even though we only scored the same number of goals, but conceded nearly 3 times as many.

      Makes perfect sense.
       :roll:
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      Re: We are set up not to lose a game
      Reply #74: Mar 06, 2019 08:54:35 pm
      There's several players at our club that wouldn't get in the other top 6 starting XI and others that wouldn't get on their bench. Henderson wouldn't get in the starting XI at City or Chelsea, United, Arsenal or Spurs

      Yet we are above all these teams by a huge margin. This is the most basic of basic level of thinking. Jesus Christ. Start a summer 'deadwood' clear out thread.
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      Re: We are set up not to lose a game
      Reply #75: Mar 06, 2019 08:56:02 pm
      So, to recap;
      we should be playing players whose performances so far can charitably be called inconsistent, in the style that saw us come 4th, even though we are currently on track to at least equal last seasons goal tally, because "we don't score enough" or "set up not to lose" as opposed, I assume, to setting a team up to lose, which is basically what we did last season by being too attacking, even though we only scored the same number of goals, but conceded nearly 3 times as many.

      Makes perfect sense.
       :roll:

      dont forget. we a 'can't score' and are 'set up not to lose' with the 2nd highest amount of goals in the league, and the 2nd top scorer, by one goal. who coincidentally is having a terrible season, and cant find the back of the net.
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      Re: We are set up not to lose a game
      Reply #76: Mar 06, 2019 09:05:13 pm
      Keita, Fab and Shaqiri should be starting, they are marquee players. Gini should rotate with Keita and Fab. Milner and Henderson should be on the bench. It's very frustrating having our best players on the bench like that, when the front 3 are having a bad spell the midfield need to be able to grab a goal. That's what we are lacking right now.

      I love how you answer a question by not answering it Rip.

      I'll try one more time though.

      Explain if we have so many players who wouldn't make the other top 6 sides or even get on the bench, how we've managed to stay well ahead of those sides and only a point from the top of the league?



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      Re: We are set up not to lose a game
      Reply #77: Mar 06, 2019 09:34:42 pm
      Its unfortunate that when we added a top class keeper and bedt centre half in the game that we just lost that bit of zip we had going forward. Maybe Alex OC had more to do with that last season then we realised,?

      If we can get that crazy attack back to last years form while remaining as solid as we are at the back we could still end up with 2 little trophies in the cabinet
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      Re: We are set up not to lose a game
      Reply #78: Mar 06, 2019 09:47:34 pm
      Its unfortunate that when we added a top class keeper and bedt centre half in the game that we just lost that bit of zip we had going forward. Maybe Alex OC had more to do with that last season then we realised,?

      If we can get that crazy attack back to last years form while remaining as solid as we are at the back we could still end up with 2 little trophies in the cabinet

      We've only scored 3 less goals than this time last season though and conceded 17 less goals.

      Despite how it looks we don't appear to have much trouble scoring and alongside that concede far less and win more games.

      It looks like some are trying to see something that isn't really there just on the back of two tough goalless drawn games.
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      Re: We are set up not to lose a game
      Reply #79: Mar 06, 2019 10:11:04 pm
      We've only scored 3 less goals than this time last season though and conceded 17 less goals.

      Despite how it looks we don't appear to have much trouble scoring and alongside that concede far less and win more games.

      It looks like some are trying to see something that isn't really there just on the back of two tough goalless drawn games.

      Suprising stat that. We certainly dont look as lethal going forward as last season hsrd to believe weve only scored e less
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      Re: We are set up not to lose a game
      Reply #80: Mar 07, 2019 08:29:03 am
      As other posters have rightfully highlighted, we are scoring near enough the same and have more points than this time last season, so are we really set up to lose?

      What I think is that Klopp and his team decided this season we HAD to stop leaking goals and to do this we need to be more compact and less adventurous when going forward. Rather than go full throttle at every chance of attack, pick one choose the right attack the one which if it doesn't work doesn't leave the team vulnerable on the counter.

      This new philosophy IMO has led our front three to get less chances going forward which puts a lot of emphasis on how clinical they have to be, which wasnt the case last season. We looked very clinical last season but the truth of the matter was that we made so many chances it didn't matter if we missed 2 or 3 but this season we cant afford to miss them.

      Like others have stated it has done us well so far this slight change in tactics as we have led the table for the majority of the season so why change it, what I would like to see is when we need a win and it's not working e.g 0-0 20 minutes to go Klopp to make an active change in tactics and player substitutions to go full throttle and get the win, rather than be conservative.
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      Re: We are set up not to lose a game
      Reply #81: Mar 07, 2019 10:39:23 am
      Facts mean nothing, Klopp's own words mean nothing, only Barry from t'interweb has a clue, because he has 12k twitter followers.

      It's f**king bizarre.

      Like JD said, if you can't enjoy this season, maybe footballs not the game for you (not you PG, just a generic "you" ;D  )

      On the other hand, some people just get off on whinging and trying to stir the sh*t, or spoil other people's enjoyment.

      who is saying they don't enjoy this season, defensively and as team we have been magnificent but in a hell of a lot of games we have huffed and puffed this season and the attack has not carried the same danger as it did last season, it just hasn't, irrespective of stats.
      What I want is a small adjustment to midfield to make it more attacking, I think we would gain massively from doing that.
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      Re: We are set up not to lose a game
      Reply #82: Mar 07, 2019 10:44:39 am
      dont forget. we a 'can't score' and are 'set up not to lose' with the 2nd highest amount of goals in the league, and the 2nd top scorer, by one goal. who coincidentally is having a terrible season, and cant find the back of the net.

      How many did we score against Bayern, Man Utd and Everton, how much of a goal threat did midfield provide in those games?
      If you guys can not see that having an attacking threat from midfield is very useful to any team then there is simply no point debating this.
      Having a potent midfield is the best way to unlock packed defences, because if the defending team know that all they need to do is mark 3 forwards then it becomes easy, if on the other hand you add a midfielder bursting into the box into the mix then it becomes a lot more complex to defend, that is fairly obvious isn't it??
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      Reply #83: Mar 07, 2019 10:45:43 am
      Suprising stat that. We certainly dont look as lethal going forward as last season hsrd to believe weve only scored e less

      Same as the stat about us being the best at set pieces, I honestly cannot understand where those 18+ goals have come from, were they all at the start of the season?
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      Re: We are set up not to lose a game
      Reply #84: Mar 07, 2019 12:03:37 pm
      Suprising stat that. We certainly dont look as lethal going forward as last season hsrd to believe weve only scored e less

      I think we need to remember other factors as well.
      Teams have become so defensive when we play them, that it is now about being methodical and grinding out a win without giving anything away.
      We so rarely get the chance to just blitz teams at the start of matches this season, but we showed against Watford that if teams play an open game, we can still take them apart.
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      Re: We are set up not to lose a game
      Reply #85: Mar 07, 2019 01:23:02 pm
      There is not a lack of goals, it is just that lately, we don't score that crucial goal to turn a draw into a win, which could end up proving costly.

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      Re: We are set up not to lose a game
      Reply #86: Mar 07, 2019 01:46:25 pm
      Souness got it spot on for me last week. Six goals from all our midfielders is simply not a good enough return. The sooner we can get Ox back the better.
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      Re: We are set up not to lose a game
      Reply #87: Mar 07, 2019 05:31:06 pm
      How many did we score against Bayern, Man Utd and Everton.

      You voted Leave didn't you?
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      Re: We are set up not to lose a game
      Reply #88: Mar 07, 2019 05:57:00 pm
      Since the window closed we sucked compared to before it closed, other teams reinforced and we didn't.
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      Re: We are set up not to lose a game
      Reply #89: Mar 07, 2019 06:16:01 pm
      How many did we score against Bayern, Man Utd and Everton, how much of a goal threat did midfield provide in those games?
      If you guys can not see that having an attacking threat from midfield is very useful to any team then there is simply no point debating this.
      Having a potent midfield is the best way to unlock packed defences, because if the defending team know that all they need to do is mark 3 forwards then it becomes easy, if on the other hand you add a midfielder bursting into the box into the mix then it becomes a lot more complex to defend, that is fairly obvious isn't it??
      Exactly
      From +7 to -1 in standings because the team can't put the ball in the net. Not verses top PL teams. Not vs CL teams on European soil.
      But reading these willfully ignorant /head in the sand deniers who view all ties as grand results.....priceless.
      The elite teams of the world who go after 3 and 4 trophies each season treat ties with disdain. Cucked LFC fans who haven't tasted real glory in multi decades cling to low expectations.
      Fans satisfied with ties deserve these ties.
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      Re: We are set up not to lose a game
      Reply #90: Mar 07, 2019 06:22:57 pm
      Since the window closed we sucked compared to before it closed, other teams reinforced and we didn't.

      Who reinforced?
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      Re: We are set up not to lose a game
      Reply #91: Mar 07, 2019 06:45:23 pm
      Chelsea got Higuian, West Ham got Nasri, Leicester got Tielemans, Arsenal got Denis Suarez, City got Palaversa, we got rid of players.

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