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      Pre Match : Liverpool v Spurs : Sunday 31st March : 16.30

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      Re: Pre Match : Liverpool v Spurs : Sunday 31st March : 16.30
      Reply #25: Mar 28, 2019 02:18:01 pm
      Milner, Hendo and Gini? I hope not. Got to have Fabinho in there.

      this is Jurgens go to in big games although we must be at a point now were we have to go for it and attack every game as if its our last
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      Reply #26: Mar 28, 2019 02:28:01 pm
      The Brazil lads were playing in Europe, they had no further to travel than any one else on this occasion, I believe it was Mane that was the only one to leave Europe this time and would have been last back.

      Yea I know, but they are still last back, was on LFCTV news yesterday.

      Im just trying to think like klopp, hes always about players being 100%.

      We shall see soon enough. ;-)

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      Re: Pre Match : Liverpool v Spurs : Sunday 31st March : 16.30
      Reply #27: Mar 28, 2019 02:29:53 pm
      this is Jurgens go to in big games although we must be at a point now were we have to go for it and attack every game as if its our last

      Spuds will leave plenty of space for our front 3 to cause them all sorts of problems, unlike when we play teams who sit deep, so the more creative MF player is needed, so maybe for spuds a more workmanlike MF is the way Klopp will go. ?
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      Re: Pre Match : Liverpool v Spurs : Sunday 31st March : 16.30
      Reply #28: Mar 28, 2019 04:08:09 pm
      Like every game now, anything but a win could finish our season.

      Don’t care how it happens, just get the 3 points.

      Is right.

      Can't drop any points .... would then become very difficult.
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      Re: Pre Match : Liverpool v Spurs : Sunday 31st March : 16.30
      Reply #29: Mar 28, 2019 04:24:57 pm
      It all depends who is freshest \ fittest after the int. break.

      Fab could start, but the Brazil lads are the last ones to come back to the club, but Fab never played much the other night, so he could be fresher than the others.

      Im good with whoever starts.

      No sorry but that is not the only factor, the trio of Milner, Hendo and Gini always have been negative, they should only ever be used in ultra tight games. In a game like this which we have to win we need to carry a real attack at Spurs and a big part of that is to have a threat coming through midfield.
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      Re: Pre Match : Liverpool v Spurs : Sunday 31st March : 16.30
      Reply #30: Mar 28, 2019 04:43:53 pm
      No sorry but that is not the only factor, the trio of Milner, Hendo and Gini always have been negative, they should only ever be used in ultra tight games. In a game like this which we have to win we need to carry a real attack at Spurs and a big part of that is to have a threat coming through midfield.

      The players are not negative, its the tactics given to them by the manager. ;-)
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      Reply #31: Mar 28, 2019 04:46:18 pm
      Jürgen said "Bringing one player in would change everything? That is bull**** and you all know that. One player doesn't change everything,”.
      I am a huge fan of Keita but I don't bang on about him playing because I accept Jürgen has his reasons for picking the team he does and sitting on top of the league and in the last 8 of the CL I kind of trust his judgement.
      Team selection will be interesting but the first game back after Internationals is always a bit odd so going for his steady eddies in midfield is a strong possibility. I don't care I just want 11  Redmen giving their all
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      Re: Pre Match : Liverpool v Spurs : Sunday 31st March : 16.30
      Reply #32: Mar 28, 2019 05:38:27 pm
      No sorry but that is not the only factor, the trio of Milner, Hendo and Gini always have been negative, they should only ever be used in ultra tight games.

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      Re: Pre Match : Liverpool v Spurs : Sunday 31st March : 16.30
      Reply #33: Mar 28, 2019 05:41:44 pm
      I am a huge fan of Keita but I don't bang on about him playing because I accept Jürgen has his reasons for picking the team he does and sitting on top of the league and in the last 8 of the CL I kind of trust his judgement.

      Christ sake what is it with people and saying things like this lately?! It's similar to what some people were saying in the Shaqiri thread over talking about his recent lack of involvement. We all trust Klopp and his decisions but it's almost like some people don't even want there to be a discussion over player involvement and line ups. Not a case of anyone banging on about anything, it's the simple matter of people having an opinion and what they would perhaps like to see, it's in no way saying they don't trust or agree with Klopp and I don't think anyone would say otherwise.

      Ultimately, as long as the team wins and the player does the shirt justice, I couldn't give a sh*t who plays and I trust Klopp and his selections 100% but it doesn't mean I won't or can't have an opinion about it and I think that's probably the case for most people right now.
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      Re: Pre Match : Liverpool v Spurs : Sunday 31st March : 16.30
      Reply #34: Mar 28, 2019 05:59:49 pm
      No sorry but that is not the only factor, the trio of Milner, Hendo and Gini always have been negative, they should only ever be used in ultra tight games. In a game like this which we have to win we need to carry a real attack at Spurs and a big part of that is to have a threat coming through midfield.

      Those negative 3 have been an integral part of this team to get us where we are in Europe & the PL..
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      Re: Pre Match : Liverpool v Spurs : Sunday 31st March : 16.30
      Reply #35: Mar 28, 2019 06:27:39 pm
      Christ sake what is it with people and saying things like this lately?! It's similar to what some people were saying in the Shaqiri thread over talking about his recent lack of involvement. We all trust Klopp and his decisions but it's almost like some people don't even want there to be a discussion over player involvement and line ups. Not a case of anyone banging on about anything, it's the simple matter of people having an opinion and what they would perhaps like to see, it's in no way saying they don't trust or agree with Klopp and I don't think anyone would say otherwise.

      Ultimately, as long as the team wins and the player does the shirt justice, I couldn't give a sh*t who plays and I trust Klopp and his selections 100% but it doesn't mean I won't or can't have an opinion about it and I think that's probably the case for most people right now.

      there isn't a discussion though is there its a constant anti Henderson, Klopp out if he doesn't win something  by the same people there is no discussion NONE! so like the others I will continue to point out we are top of the league and in the last 8 of the CL.
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      Re: Pre Match : Liverpool v Spurs : Sunday 31st March : 16.30
      Reply #36: Mar 28, 2019 06:30:25 pm
      Christ sake what is it with people and saying things like this lately?! It's similar to what some people were saying in the Shaqiri thread over talking about his recent lack of involvement. We all trust Klopp and his decisions but it's almost like some people don't even want there to be a discussion over player involvement and line ups. Not a case of anyone banging on about anything, it's the simple matter of people having an opinion and what they would perhaps like to see, it's in no way saying they don't trust or agree with Klopp and I don't think anyone would say otherwise.

      Ultimately, as long as the team wins and the player does the shirt justice, I couldn't give a sh*t who plays and I trust Klopp and his selections 100% but it doesn't mean I won't or can't have an opinion about it and I think that's probably the case for most people right now.

      “If you are not Jürgen Klopp or don’t agree with all of his decisions, your opinion is invalid.” :mad:
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      Re: Pre Match : Liverpool v Spurs : Sunday 31st March : 16.30
      Reply #37: Mar 28, 2019 06:41:17 pm
      “If you are not Jürgen Klopp or don’t agree with all of his decisions, your opinion is invalid.” :mad:

      On the other hand, anyone who thinks their opinion is worth more than Klopp's, (as I've seen stated more than a few times), is either completely deluded or just a wum.
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      Reply #38: Mar 28, 2019 07:28:43 pm
      On the other hand, anyone who thinks their opinion is worth more than Klopp's, (as I've seen stated more than a few times), is either completely deluded or just a wum.

      Anyone here who thinks they could do a better job than Klopp is deluded, definitely. Everyone’s opinion should be valued exactly the same though; Klopp isn’t perfect and he can get things wrong and I’m sure he’s the first to admit that. It’d be a pretty dull forum if everyone was in agreement, right? I’m a big Klopp fan but there’s no need to be sheep and take his every word like it’s gospel.
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      Re: Pre Match : Liverpool v Spurs : Sunday 31st March : 16.30
      Reply #39: Mar 28, 2019 07:50:17 pm
      On the other hand, anyone who thinks their opinion is worth more than Klopp's, (as I've seen stated more than a few times), is either completely deluded or just a wum.

      That’s a weird comment
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      Re: Pre Match : Liverpool v Spurs : Sunday 31st March : 16.30
      Reply #40: Mar 28, 2019 07:54:20 pm
      there isn't a discussion though is there its a constant anti Henderson, Klopp out if he doesn't win something  by the same people there is no discussion NONE! so like the others I will continue to point out we are top of the league and in the last 8 of the CL.

      No, it's not like that though. As it goes I am seeing less and less bashing of Hendo and players in general and I haven't seen anyone I don't think saying Klopp needs to go if he doesn't win anything this season.


      On the other hand, anyone who thinks their opinion is worth more than Klopp's, (as I've seen stated more than a few times), is either completely deluded or just a wum.

      No one is saying or giving the impression their opinion is worth more than Klopp's. It's quite ironic you piping up and saying about people being deluded or a WUM when you quite happily throw insults around at people when they don't agree with you, what does that make you?


      Ultimately it's a forum, if you don't want to see people have opinions about the team they support or expect people to just hang on to every word Klopp says and assume Klopp can do no wrong and whatever else then don't come on here, simple as that. If there isn't opinions and discussions about things then what's the point in forums... Everyone is fully aware of the position Klopp has led us to, nobody is questioning it and I don't see why some people are using that from a high horse as a reason why people can't have an opinion on anything about the team anymore.

      We line up on the weekend with Gini, Hendo and Milner as the midfield or if Lallana is in there somewhere, will I be over the moon about that? Not a chance because IMO Fab needs to be in there and that midfield 3 isn't forward thinking enough. But does that mean I wont have trust in Klopp and the team? Does it f**k because come kick off I support each and everyone of them the same anyway and Klopp has proven time and again what he can get the team to achieve by picking that midfield.
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      Re: Pre Match : Liverpool v Spurs : Sunday 31st March : 16.30
      Reply #41: Mar 28, 2019 08:01:32 pm
      Anyone here who thinks they could do a better job than Klopp is deluded, definitely. Everyone’s opinion should be valued exactly the same though; Klopp isn’t perfect and he can get things wrong and I’m sure he’s the first to admit that. It’d be a pretty dull forum if everyone was in agreement, right? I’m a big Klopp fan but there’s no need to be sheep and take his every word like it’s gospel.

      No one actually thinks they can do a better job than Klopp (well, maybe Swab does?!), nor do they actually think they can do a better job than Moreno or Migs when disagreeing or criticising. It all stems from Swab who painted this narrative that if you disagree with Klopp, you think you can do better or that you have no right to disagree/criticise because we don't have all the information. He thinks he sits on a pedestal and attacks us for opinions and theories, but ironically, he does the same too. The funny thing is, he is just normal fan like all of us with no inside information or decades of experience in the professional game!
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      Reply #42: Mar 28, 2019 08:20:37 pm
      F**k I’ve been so bored over the past two weeks - thank f**k proper football is back.
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      Reply #43: Mar 28, 2019 08:25:02 pm
      F**k I’ve been so bored over the past two weeks - thank f**k proper football is back.

      Missed club football so much! Starting off with Hoffenhein vs Leverkusen tomorrow!
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      Reply #44: Mar 28, 2019 08:42:07 pm
      Missed club football so much! Starting off with Hoffenhein vs Leverkusen tomorrow!

      I keep watching our Bayern performance away. Beautiful. I must have watched Mane’s first 1000 times.
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      Re: Pre Match : Liverpool v Spurs : Sunday 31st March : 16.30
      Reply #45: Mar 28, 2019 09:09:34 pm
      Tough game of course. They were the best side to come to Anfield last year, long time since we were outplayed like we were in that second half. They still needed a dodgy pen to get a point though so in that sense I'd say we owe them one at Anfield.

      Alisson; TAA, Matip, Van Dijk, Robertson, Fabinho, Gini, Milner; Salah, Firmino, Mane.
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      Reply #46: Mar 28, 2019 10:21:26 pm
      Tough game of course. They were the best side to come to Anfield last year, long time since we were outplayed like we were in that second half. They still needed a dodgy pen to get a point though so in that sense I'd say we owe them one at Anfield.

      Alisson; TAA, Matip, Van Dijk, Robertson, Fabinho, Gini, Milner; Salah, Firmino, Mane.

      Id not be disappointed if we started with this line up.
      As for Millie, Gini and Hendo, I agree its a bit of a negative trio to have in midfield, and i'm also not a fan of Hendo. But credit where credit's due. Hendo has turned it on a bit of late. Put in some decent performances, and looking to get the ball forward more, and quicker than he has in the past.
      I do have reservations about performances after international breaks though. Whoever plays, just seem to be a bit off key. Don't know what it is, but it keeps recurring, so the best we can hope for is, Jürgen puts his strongest side out, from what he sees in training. Doesnt really matter how good or bad you are, if you're off form, you're off form and thats that until you recover. I just hope we get some fluid flowing footy going, and not the disjointed looking stuff we've seen after previous breaks.
      So...... I know who i'd like to start, but not really fussed, as long as we get the three points.  3-1 to the red men. And City gonna draw.
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      Re: Pre Match : Liverpool v Spurs : Sunday 31st March : 16.30
      Reply #47: Mar 28, 2019 11:04:45 pm
      No, it's not like that though. As it goes I am seeing less and less bashing of Hendo and players in general and I haven't seen anyone I don't think saying Klopp needs to go if he doesn't win anything this season.


      "This sack talk is always taken out of context, nobody has said that he should be sacked now. If Klopp finishes 5 seasons without a trophy we need to assess our options though." Wonder who posted this
      Took me 30 seconds to find this and their are plenty more from the same poster. As far as Hendo is concerned on this page you get "I don't rate Hendo" what the f**k does that mean is Hendo a bad person is his hair upsetting people because anyone in the game who comments on him always gives him the highest praise. Its never a rational comment about his game which is largely dictated by the manager who wants sacking if he doesn't win something this season.Jürgen has a style of play and yet people still comment and completely ignore this and blindly attack players who aren't playing like Pirlo or Messi.

      If its a case of not liking tactics or how a player plays within the structure of the team fair enough but it never is its just attack after attack with no real explanation of why " I don't rate Hendo"
      We have lost so many quality posters over recent times and when they come back and stick their toe in the water they pretty much disappear again pretty damn quick.
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      Re: Pre Match : Liverpool v Spurs : Sunday 31st March : 16.30
      Reply #48: Mar 28, 2019 11:28:42 pm
      "This sack talk is always taken out of context, nobody has said that he should be sacked now. If Klopp finishes 5 seasons without a trophy we need to assess our options though." Wonder who posted this
      Took me 30 seconds to find this and their are plenty more from the same poster. As far as Hendo is concerned on this page you get "I don't rate Hendo" what the f**k does that mean is Hendo a bad person is his hair upsetting people because anyone in the game who comments on him always gives him the highest praise. Its never a rational comment about his game which is largely dictated by the manager who wants sacking if he doesn't win something this season.Jürgen has a style of play and yet people still comment and completely ignore this and blindly attack players who aren't playing like Pirlo or Messi.

      If its a case of not liking tactics or how a player plays within the structure of the team fair enough but it never is its just attack after attack with no real explanation of why " I don't rate Hendo"
      We have lost so many quality posters over recent times and when they come back and stick their toe in the water they pretty much disappear again pretty damn quick.


      So what you’re saying is you have a problem with one poster in particular. Put him on ignore and then stop trying to tell people if they can or can’t have an opinion different to Klopp. Simple really.
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      Re: Pre Match : Liverpool v Spurs : Sunday 31st March : 16.30
      Reply #49: Mar 29, 2019 12:18:38 am
      Anyone here who thinks they could do a better job than Klopp is deluded, definitely. Everyone’s opinion should be valued exactly the same though; Klopp isn’t perfect and he can get things wrong and I’m sure he’s the first to admit that. It’d be a pretty dull forum if everyone was in agreement, right? I’m a big Klopp fan but there’s no need to be sheep and take his every word like it’s gospel.

      I've seen someone post "I don't care what Klopp thinks"
      What does that say to you?

      And on the subject of "everyone's opinion is equal".
      No, they're not, some are clearly bollocks, some are dressed up guesses, hardly any have any factual basis on which to form an opinion.

      This is the trouble with internet forums, people think their opinion has value just because it's their opinion.
      It's nonsense snowflake thinking.

      Anyone can have an opinion, sure, but that doesn't mean I have to value it, and I can also have the opinion that the person is talking sh*te.

      Then we have the "Klopp gets things wrong".
      this isn't an opinion, it is a definitive statement, and as I've said before, if you don't have all the information Klopp has, how do you know he's made a mistake?
      You don't, is the answer, because you can't unless you have the same information as the fella making the decision.

      I've seen a lot of people say "Klopp made a mistake", but I've yet to see one of those posters backtrack when it turns out the player was injured, or ill or out of form.

      It's all part of the same thing; some people think it's edgy to be hyper critical.
      It's not, it's f**king boring and incredibly pretentious.
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