Trending Topics

      Next match: Napoli v LFC [Champions League] Tue 17th Sep @ 8:00 pm
      San Paolo Stadium

      Today is the 16th of September and on this date LFC's match record is P36 W20 D9 L7

      Do we need a new midfielder this summer?

      Read 2766 times
      0 Members and 1 Guest are viewing this topic.
      Frankly, Mr Shankly
      • Forum Legend - Paisley
      • *****
      • Started Topic

      • 19,753 posts | 5102 
      • YNWA
      Do we need a new midfielder this summer?
      Jun 07, 2019 10:32:53 am
      Some of you would have already seen it on twitter but Arsene Wenger (very eloquently) made an interesting point on beIN sports during the aftermath of our Champions League Final victory. He noted that if there is an area we can improve on it is the technical quality and reading twitter/other forums many have pointed towards the midfield as an area where that improvement on a technical level can be made. But Arsene did counter this by saying that sometimes in search of technical brilliance you potentially undo/overlook the emotional and attitudinal qualities that he says has made us European champions.

      Now if you look at our midfield options going into pre season we have:

      Gini
      Milner
      Hendo
      Keita
      Fabinho
      Chamberlain
      Shaqiri
      Lallana (still unsure whether he will definitely be here next season)

      Strong options I'm sure you'd agree. But can we improve on that? For me, I see a group of midfielders that are technically very good but even better in terms of physicality, work rate and most of all, attitude. In terms of technique for sure we can improve but what is it that we have to improve upon if you believe that our midfield can be improved upon? And, if a new midfielder did come into the team what would his role be and what would his qualities be?
      Robby The Z
      • LFC Reds Subscriber
      • ******
      • 3,870 posts | 845 
      Re: Do we need a new midfielder this summer?
      Reply #1: Jun 07, 2019 12:26:46 pm
      Some of you would have already seen it on twitter but Arsene Wenger (very eloquently) made an interesting point on beIN sports during the aftermath of our Champions League Final victory. He noted that if there is an area we can improve on it is the technical quality and reading twitter/other forums many have pointed towards the midfield as an area where that improvement on a technical level can be made. But Arsene did counter this by saying that sometimes in search of technical brilliance you potentially undo/overlook the emotional and attitudinal qualities that he says has made us European champions.

      Now if you look at our midfield options going into pre season we have:

      Gini
      Milner
      Hendo
      Keita
      Fabinho
      Chamberlain
      Shaqiri
      Lallana (still unsure whether he will definitely be here next season)

      Strong options I'm sure you'd agree. But can we improve on that? For me, I see a group of midfielders that are technically very good but even better in terms of physicality, work rate and most of all, attitude. In terms of technique for sure we can improve but what is it that we have to improve upon if you believe that our midfield can be improved upon? And, if a new midfielder did come into the team what would his role be and what would his qualities be?

      Good questions and thread.

      I would argue we don't need a new player, because the quality that perhaps was least evident in our midfield this season (and I'm talking very small margins), is the skillful, slasher, creative type. But both of those can come from a fit and settled Naby Keita and a fit Alex Oxlaide-Chamberlain . It reminds that we performed as highly as we did without a major contribution from either of these players (especially Alex). Get them back and on song and we can be even better.

      waltonl4
      • LFC Reds Subscriber
      • ******
      • 26,988 posts | 3671 
      Re: Do we need a new midfielder this summer?
      Reply #2: Jun 07, 2019 12:48:52 pm
      No we need replacements for Daniel and Moreno. We have OX and Naby who will add a lot to our midfield next season
      brezipool
      • Forum Legend - Fagan
      • *****

      • 4,060 posts | 259 
      • COME ON THE REDMEN !
      Re: Do we need a new midfielder this summer?
      Reply #3: Jun 07, 2019 01:15:54 pm
      no we dont. simples.
      clint_call01
      • King Live Match Starter
      • LFC Reds Subscriber
      • ******
      • 8,906 posts | 2002 
      • Ynwa... lfc till I die !
      Re: Do we need a new midfielder this summer?
      Reply #4: Jun 07, 2019 01:28:02 pm
      No not a priority. We have a excellent captain and all round midfielders.
      PurpleMonkey
      • Forum Legend - Paisley
      • *****

      • 10,000 posts | 1989 
      Re: Do we need a new midfielder this summer?
      Reply #5: Jun 07, 2019 01:38:46 pm
      When Wenger talks of that technical brilliance player, I think he is more referring to a playmaker type, isn't he? Someone like Coutinho, Isco, B.Silva, D.Silva, Messi, J.Rodriguez etc? I actually think we have that type of player in Shaqiri. Shaqiri may not be as good as your Silva's, Eriksen and Messi, Coutinho and Isco, but his left foot is sure as hell as good, if not better as their main foot. He certainly has the ability.

      As for our midfield, I think it's a perfectly balanced group. We have a strong mixture of technical and industrious group of midfielders. Where Hendo and Milner are more your industrious players, we then have players like Keita, Lallana, Ox and Wijnaldum who are technically strong but have that industrious edge to them.

      I don't think we need to add anymore to our midfielder area, especially knowing Lallana and Milner are 99% staying with Keita in his second season and the return of Ox. However, I do think we can upgrade, but definitely not needed.

      If we do decide on upgrading, I would love to see us linked to the likes of, Rabiot, Saul, Ndombele or Aouar for the MC role, and for the playmaking one, Maddison or Fekir would be great!
      « Last Edit: Jun 07, 2019 01:43:01 pm by PurpleMonkey »
      Robby The Z
      • LFC Reds Subscriber
      • ******
      • 3,870 posts | 845 
      Re: Do we need a new midfielder this summer?
      Reply #6: Jun 07, 2019 03:47:16 pm
      When Wenger talks of that technical brilliance player, I think he is more referring to a playmaker type, isn't he? Someone like Coutinho, Isco, B.Silva, D.Silva, Messi, J.Rodriguez etc? I actually think we have that type of player in Shaqiri. Shaqiri may not be as good as your Silva's, Eriksen and Messi, Coutinho and Isco, but his left foot is sure as hell as good, if not better as their main foot. He certainly has the ability.

      As for our midfield, I think it's a perfectly balanced group. We have a strong mixture of technical and industrious group of midfielders. Where Hendo and Milner are more your industrious players, we then have players like Keita, Lallana, Ox and Wijnaldum who are technically strong but have that industrious edge to them.

      I don't think we need to add anymore to our midfielder area, especially knowing Lallana and Milner are 99% staying with Keita in his second season and the return of Ox. However, I do think we can upgrade, but definitely not needed.

      If we do decide on upgrading, I would love to see us linked to the likes of, Rabiot, Saul, Ndombele or Aouar for the MC role, and for the playmaking one, Maddison or Fekir would be great!

      If we signed Fekir, who would be our first choice midfield three?
      PurpleMonkey
      • Forum Legend - Paisley
      • *****

      • 10,000 posts | 1989 
      Re: Do we need a new midfielder this summer?
      Reply #7: Jun 07, 2019 03:56:27 pm
      If we signed Fekir, who would be our first choice midfield three?

      I see Fekir more an attacking midfielder/forward than attacking midfielder/midfielder, therefore I see him rotating with Firmino and Salah more than a midfielder player. I think he would offer more creativity to unlock low block teams than Firmino if played as a false 9, he also has a mean accurate left foot!
      srslfc
      • LFC Reds Subscriber
      • ******
      • 25,906 posts | 2137 
      Re: Do we need a new midfielder this summer?
      Reply #8: Jun 07, 2019 06:36:39 pm
      We can never have enough good players and although on first look we don't need another midfielder I still think we miss a real playmaker.

      Whether you think that is a midfielder or a forward I'd like to see us sign someone like a Fekir.
      FATKOPITE10
      • LFC Reds Subscriber
      • ******
      • 10,600 posts | 1904 
      • Liverpool fc give me tourettes
      Re: Do we need a new midfielder this summer?
      Reply #9: Jun 07, 2019 06:45:12 pm
      Yes
      Magillionare
      • Official LFC Reds Sig Maker. Lives on Sesame Street.
      • LFC Reds Subscriber
      • ******
      • 14,886 posts | 2347 
      • Hold on a minute, John Wayne hasn't arrived yet.
      Re: Do we need a new midfielder this summer?
      Reply #10: Jun 07, 2019 06:49:53 pm
      If the right player comes along then get him.

      Young talent like Kai Havertz would be ideal to bring in if we could just because he’s so good.
      heimdall
      • LFC Reds Subscriber
      • ******
      • 9,223 posts | 2002 
      Re: Do we need a new midfielder this summer?
      Reply #11: Jun 07, 2019 06:59:07 pm
      No, not unless we lose someone
      tezmac
      • Forum Legend - Dalglish
      • *****

      • 6,435 posts | 170 
      • F**k the Sun F**k Murdoch F**k the press
      Re: Do we need a new midfielder this summer?
      Reply #12: Jun 07, 2019 08:06:44 pm
      We should always strive to improve
      heimdall
      • LFC Reds Subscriber
      • ******
      • 9,223 posts | 2002 
      Re: Do we need a new midfielder this summer?
      Reply #13: Jun 07, 2019 08:15:15 pm
      We should always strive to improve

      Who should we replace then?
      tezmac
      • Forum Legend - Dalglish
      • *****

      • 6,435 posts | 170 
      • F**k the Sun F**k Murdoch F**k the press
      Re: Do we need a new midfielder this summer?
      Reply #14: Jun 07, 2019 08:23:52 pm
      Milner won't be able to complete a season as tough as this season he will play but will start to struggle
      PastorGeek
      • Not Actual Geek
      • Forum Legend - Benitez
      • *****

      • 1,676 posts | 351 
      Re: Do we need a new midfielder this summer?
      Reply #15: Jun 07, 2019 08:26:39 pm
      you mean like a versatile midfielder / winger? with premier league experience? can play behind the front 3 in center midfield or on the wing?

      possibly Brazilian?
      fields of anny rd
      • Forum Legend - Paisley
      • *****

      • 13,755 posts | 1242 
      Re: Do we need a new midfielder this summer?
      Reply #16: Jun 07, 2019 08:46:34 pm
      I dont think we need any more. It was a real strength of ours as it was last season. Add into the equation Keita will improve for the run and Ox will be ready to roll next season after a full pre season too. Those 2 things alone should see us improve the midfield that was already strong.

      Grujic is also a wildcard entry if he is wanted here by Klopp next season.
      7-King Kenny-7
      • Lives on Sesame Street
      • LFC Reds Subscriber
      • ******
      • 39,906 posts | 3826 
      • You'll Never Walk Alone!
      Re: Do we need a new midfielder this summer?
      Reply #17: Jun 07, 2019 10:15:24 pm
      I’d say we are still lacking that replacement for Coutinho so if a player like Fekir or Fernandes came in then I think we would benefit because we could do with more productivity in attack from the midfield but I wouldn’t say we need a midfielder as a priority. Certainly don’t need one in a similar mould to what we already have.
      HScRed1
      • LFC Reds Subscriber
      • ******
      • 14,649 posts | 3062 
      Re: Do we need a new midfielder this summer?
      Reply #18: Jun 07, 2019 10:26:04 pm
      Isco will probably be on the market who would turn him down as a LFC player?
      billythered
      • LFC Reds Subscriber
      • ******
      • 6,319 posts | 1934 
      • From Doubters to Believers
      Re: Do we need a new midfielder this summer?
      Reply #19: Jun 07, 2019 11:18:25 pm
      Yes we most certainly do, the secret of a winning side imo is to strengthen when possible and if the right bloke is available,  but he has to fit in like a hand to a glove,

      Lots of clickbait surrounding Coutinho atm and although I wouldn't say no to his return i think though that that ship has sailed,
      A player that sticks out for me is Ruben Neves from Wolves,  he's already a top player but imagine what working with  Klopp would do for his career,
      Now yes, we do have a abundance of midfielders, however, Millies legs can't last forever no matter how much Ribena he has,  Lallana is to injury prone and i think he'll be gone before August anyway, 
      Its quality we need to add to our ranks,  yes Hendo, Gini, Naby, Ox et al tick all the boxes but we still need to have like or like replacement's,
      Ruben Neves is a player I believe would thrive and give Jürgen a few selection headaches next season, he's quality and fits the bill for me.


      YNWA

      HScRed1
      • LFC Reds Subscriber
      • ******
      • 14,649 posts | 3062 
      Re: Do we need a new midfielder this summer?
      Reply #20: Jun 08, 2019 12:21:14 am
      Yes we most certainly do, the secret of a winning side imo is to strengthen when possible and if the right bloke is available,  but he has to fit in like a hand to a glove,

      Lots of clickbait surrounding Coutinho atm and although I wouldn't say no to his return i think though that that ship has sailed,
      A player that sticks out for me is Ruben Neves from Wolves,  he's already a top player but imagine what working with  Klopp would do for his career,
      Now yes, we do have a abundance of midfielders, however, Millies legs can't last forever no matter how much Ribena he has,  Lallana is to injury prone and i think he'll be gone before August anyway, 
      Its quality we need to add to our ranks,  yes Hendo, Gini, Naby, Ox et al tick all the boxes but we still need to have like or like replacement's,
      Ruben Neves is a player I believe would thrive and give Jürgen a few selection headaches next season, he's quality and fits the bill for me.


      YNWA



      Neves is a DM so if he is happy to play understudy to Fab why not.
      Swab
      • Forum Legend - Paisley
      • *****

      • 11,760 posts | 2400 
      Re: Do we need a new midfielder this summer?
      Reply #21: Jun 08, 2019 02:24:21 pm
      Pretty well set with Keita finding his feet and AOC back aren't we?

      trebor12
      • Forum Ian Callaghan
      • ****

      • 978 posts | 63 
      Re: Do we need a new midfielder this summer?
      Reply #22: Jun 08, 2019 05:58:37 pm
      I think it will be a lot to do with what formation we're going to go with mext season. If we start with 4 2 3 1, like we did last season, then the rumours for Bruno Fernández are justified. Problem is can Bobby play as that out and out striker. Bobby does like to drop deep and pick up the ball, he's a workhorse when he plays that false 9 in a 4 3 3 so is he suited to that 9 position. Of course Salah can play 9 with a new 10 behind and we'll have Ox next season who can play on the right. It will be a lot tougher next season and the need to rotate will be there again and there will be a lot more pressure on us to perform as we did this season with all (except the plastics) the top 6 improving their squads. So do we need another midfielder, maybe.
      Vicks86
      • Forum Legend - Fagan
      • *****

      • 3,549 posts | 243 
      Re: Do we need a new midfielder this summer?
      Reply #23: Jun 09, 2019 05:49:09 am
      Gini
      Milner
      Hendo
      Keita
      Fabinho
      Chamberlain
      Shaqiri
      Lallana (still unsure whether he will definitely be here next season)

      Rumors we are after Pepe, and that looks like a signing to add depth in terms of quality and numbers, probably a replacement for Wilson. I would class him as a front-3 signing.

      Now, if we decide to move on Lallana, the rumored 'lesser' fee for Fekir would be definitely worth the gamble, and with a good stock of midfielders, he would be rotated and not stretched in terms of playing time, like our front-3 for the last 2 seasons.

      Have said this before, our build-up play last season was primarily through the full backs, a direct consequence of our mids playing compact and protecting the defense. If there is one area where we could improve, it would be playing through the middle a lot more and thats the reference that Arsene makes. Technically gifted, crafty #10 to dissect opposition midfield and defense, and Fekir would be immense in that regard. And one of the reasons we sought Fekir last summer was his ability to press from the front, in that false 9 position that Bobby has mastered.

      Considering all that, think we'll line up in combinations of

      4-3-3:

      Mane/Origi - Bobby/Fekir - Mo/Pepe
      Naby/Milly - Fab/Gini - Ox/Hendo

      4-2-3-1:

      Mo/Origi
      Mane/Naby - Fekir/Bobby - Pepe/Shaq
      Fab/Gini - Hendo/Ox

      4-2-2-2:

      Mo/Mane
                   Bobby/Fekir
      Naby/Milly                    Pepe/Shaq
              Gini/Fab     Hendo/Ox

      Remains to be seen if we would bring in both Pepe ANNNNDD Fekir. I hope we do cos we should be gunning for all trophies without a hint of weakness in our fielding 11, no matter the cup or the opponent.
      « Last Edit: Jun 09, 2019 06:13:18 am by Vicks86 »
      AussieRed
      • LFC Reds Subscriber
      • ******
      • 15,713 posts | 3295 
      • You'll Never Walk Alone
      Re: Do we need a new midfielder this summer?
      Reply #24: Jun 09, 2019 06:32:42 am
      Hahhaha put on FB replying to someone that it's a shame Hazzard has left The Premier League, he could have joined us for 200 million pounds. Someone put and where do you think you could fit him in our side?

      I said On our Bench!!!!

      Quick Reply