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      2019-20 Fixture List - Friday night start for LFC at Anfield
      Jun 12, 2019 10:27:17 am
      Apparently, the fixture list has been 'leaked' and we kick-off on Sat evening (Aug 10) away at Turf Moor. Not entirely sure about its authenticity!
      « Last Edit: Jun 13, 2019 09:32:51 am by JD »
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      Re: 2019-20 Fixture List
      Reply #1: Jun 12, 2019 10:42:22 am
      Apparently, the fixture list has been 'leaked' and we kick-off on Sat evening (Aug 10) away at Turf Moor. Not entirely sure about its authenticity!

      Seems to be a 'leak' every year and I don't think I've seen one right yet.

      Fixtures out tomorrow so not long to wait.
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      Reply #2: Jun 12, 2019 11:25:14 am
      Hope for gentle fixtures on opening few weeks, cause we will have a lot players coming late.
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      Reply #3: Jun 12, 2019 04:56:25 pm
      Might work out better to have the first game away so after the Super Cup our next game is home?

      Away to Villa would be nice.

      I remember the opening day there in 2007. A last minute Gerrard wonder free kick to win it!
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      Reply #4: Jun 12, 2019 06:09:41 pm
      Ye we could definitely do with a kind start.
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      Reply #5: Jun 12, 2019 06:12:51 pm
      City away first would be perfect
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      Reply #6: Jun 12, 2019 10:20:47 pm
      Can see the logic in an away game opener. I'd be happy with that.

      Not arsed who it is as they're going to get done over.
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      Reply #7: Jun 12, 2019 10:41:21 pm

      Not possible, top 4 are kept apart on opening weekend. Unfortunately, would have been good to stuff them in week 1.


      Couldn’t care less who we get first, we’re winning every game anyway. Just a case of who steps up to get their defeat over with first.
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      Reply #8: Jun 12, 2019 11:47:04 pm
      Seems to be a 'leak' every year and I don't think I've seen one right yet.

      Fixtures out tomorrow so not long to wait.

      Yep...saw this yesterday on FB

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      Reply #9: Jun 13, 2019 07:29:21 am

      Given TV games arent announced for another 3 weeks, I wouldnt trust this
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      Re: 2019-20 Fixture List
      Reply #10: Jun 13, 2019 07:32:09 am
      Quote from AussieRed
      Yep...saw this yesterday on FB



      What sort of leak is this?

      1. TV games are not announced until July at the earliest.
      2. Sky and BT games next year swap around. BT have the early game.
      3. Where is the Friday night game to start the season? Nowhere to be seen.

      Where the leak should be.
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      Reply #11: Jun 13, 2019 08:58:27 am
      We go again!

      Norwich at Home Friday night.

      Chelsea go away to United 2 days later before the Super Cup.
      « Last Edit: Jun 13, 2019 09:05:17 am by fields of anny rd »
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      Reply #12: Jun 13, 2019 09:06:59 am
      Norwich at home, at least 3 points for everyone in the Prediction League !
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      Reply #13: Jun 13, 2019 09:09:06 am

      They will be thankful we sold Suarez!!!

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      Reply #14: Jun 13, 2019 09:23:40 am
      Great! We will be top of the league by the end of matchday 1
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      Reply #15: Jun 13, 2019 09:26:35 am
      Tough final run next season...
      36th away at Arsenal
      37th home against Chelsea
      38th away at Newcastle
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      Reply #16: Jun 13, 2019 09:28:31 am
      Tough final run next season...
      36th away at Arsenal
      37th home against Chelsea
      38th away at Newcastle

      We'll have already won the league by then ;-)

      and looking at Citeh's last 5 games we will need to, very easy last 5 fixtures for them although they have a real nightmare in December, that really could be the make or break month for them.
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      Reply #17: Jun 13, 2019 09:35:50 am
      29 of our league games last season were moved.  With more TV games this year that will be over 30 getting moved so don't book your planes, trains, lifts, accomodations.

      Two away games before Christmas so I reckon both of them are going to get moved due to the Club World Cup.  Not ideal that both our games in hand are likely to be shoved into a midweek and involve travelling.

      Apart from that, and the pretty shady end we've got to the season, we still have to play everyone twice!
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      Reply #18: Jun 13, 2019 09:48:08 am
      Our fixtures are not to bad really, slightly tricky run in, but its only really the Arsenal game which is really tricky, the others are both winnable.
      They key thing is that we have quite a nice December, certainly compared to Citeh, although January could be a tiny bit iffy, lets just hope we buck the trend and have a good month this year.
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      Reply #19: Jun 13, 2019 09:50:47 am
      They will be thankful we sold Suarez!!!



      You are a chirpy character !
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      Reply #20: Jun 13, 2019 09:59:37 am
      Why does Chelsea (H) always have to be at the fag end of the season? Dunno why but getting irked on seeing that fixture so late in the season. Spurs and United one after the other both times.

      Would have liked some kinder fixtures in Jan with the cups but hey the bigger games spur us on. Tricky Boxing day week with West Ham (A) and Wolves (H) inside 48 hours. Squad depth alert!!

      EDIT: Toooottally forgot about the Club WC. Will we even play Boxing day?
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      Reply #22: Jun 13, 2019 10:40:07 am
      The way I see the fixture list is we have to play each team twice home and away.All I know is all the other teams will fear playing us more than we will fear playing them.Irrespective of who we play first or last winning the league is our top priority so settle down lads and lasses and enjoy the ride.
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      Reply #23: Jun 13, 2019 12:11:56 pm
      just win the 38 games home and away. I remember way back in the 80's I think ITV started live Friday night football. I think we will be on TV a lot next season
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      Reply #24: Jun 13, 2019 02:00:33 pm
      I was looking forward to see what our fixtures will be for August and September because with our front three playing ACON and Copa America I would think Klopp will be looking to give them a bit more rest and ease them a little more into the side early. Looking at the games we have a decent run in during that period on top of the Community Shield and Super Cup which is good to see.
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      Reply #25: Jun 13, 2019 02:04:43 pm
      Took a punt in January and booked flights&hotel for October b/holiday weekend. Flights for 2 €130.00.
      Hotel for 3 nights €360.00.
      Checked today after fixtures out,Flights €440.00&Hotel €590.00. Spuds that weekend. Sweet.
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      Reply #26: Jun 13, 2019 02:42:01 pm
      August

      Friday 9 – Norwich City (H)
      Saturday 17 – Southampton (A)
      Saturday 24 – Arsenal (H)
      Saturday 31 – Burnley (A)

      September

      Saturday 14 – Newcastle United (H)
      Saturday 21 – Chelsea (A)
      Saturday 28 – Sheffield United (A)

      October

      Saturday 5 – Leicester City (H)
      Saturday 19 – Manchester United (A)
      Saturday 26 –Tottenham Hotspur (H)

      November

      Saturday 2 – Aston Villa (A)
      Saturday 9 – Manchester City (H)
      Saturday 23 – Crystal Palace (A)
      Saturday 30 – Brighton and Hove Albion (H)

      December

      Wednesday 4 – Everton (H)
      Saturday 7 – Bournemouth (A)
      Saturday 14 – Watford (H)
      Saturday 21 – West Ham United (A)
      Thursday 26 – Leicester City (A)
      Saturday 28 – Wolverhampton Wanderers (H)

      January

      Wednesday 1 – Sheffield United (H)
      Saturday 11 – Tottenham Hotspur (A)
      Saturday 18 – Manchester United (H)
      Tuesday 21 – Wolverhampton Wanderers (A)

      February

      Saturday 1 – Southampton (H)
      Saturday 8 – Norwich City (A)
      Saturday 22 – West Ham United (H)
      Saturday 29 – Watford (A)

      March

      Saturday 7 – Bournemouth (H)
      Saturday 14 – Everton (A)
      Saturday 21 – Crystal Palace (H)

      April

      Saturday 4 – Manchester City (A)
      Saturday 11 – Aston Villa (H)
      Saturday 18 – Brighton and Hove Albion (A)
      Saturday 25 – Burnley (H)

      May

      Saturday 2 – Arsenal (A)
      Saturday 9 – Chelsea (H)
      Sunday 17 – Newcastle United (A)
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      Reply #27: Jun 13, 2019 03:07:09 pm
      I was looking forward to see what our fixtures will be for August and September because with our front three playing ACON and Copa America I would think Klopp will be looking to give them a bit more rest and ease them a little more into the side early.

      Good point.  Although I think they will be involved from the start I do think we might not see all three of them in the same line up until maybe Arsenal?
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      Reply #28: Jun 13, 2019 03:11:20 pm

      Should almost certainly be on the weekend rather than moved to Monday night.

      Champions League games for both sides in the midweek before.
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      Reply #29: Jun 13, 2019 04:32:03 pm
      In case you missed it the Anfield friendly v Schalke has now been cancelled due to this Norwich game being played a day earlier.
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      Reply #30: Jun 13, 2019 04:53:13 pm
      Urgh,gotta get an illness on a friday afternoon in fecking August!
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      Reply #31: Jun 13, 2019 05:31:25 pm
      Not a bad set of fixtures, October could be tricky though, May too but on the whole it looks quite favourable IMO. Hopefully go into the season full of confidence from beating City first.

      Not keen on playing first on the Friday but if we get a good win then it straight away puts the pressure on City.
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      Reply #32: Jun 13, 2019 10:56:28 pm
      So the leak was fake news.

      A tough fixture list in general. Southampton and Burnley away in the first 4 games, Chelsea and Spurs before the 2nd break, City just before the 3rd break. Spurs and the mancs during the new year hangover, City away in April, followed by the run in from hell really. The last 5 scheduled games are Brighton, Burnley, Arsenal, Chelsea, finishing up at Newcastle. Very tough at best.

      First time to play Spurs at home before Christmas in 12 years. While December looks favourable, the game at West Ham must be rescheduled because of our pre-Christmas break in Sheikhland. The home derby is in midweek for the first time since 2014, and it's the first game away on December 26 since 2014. We still haven't played in London on the date since 1991. First away game on the last day in 4 years.

      There are one or two positives, but all the posters telling us "it doesn't matter when the games are played", are the same posters who will be writing out what we need to do and when we need to do it in the run in, in threads such as "13 Games, Call it", and "The double, is it on?" For the rest of us, our nerves will be shot during the run in, May is not the best time to have to go to Arsenal, and Newcastle away is not the ideal place to go needing a result on the final day either. Chelsea lost 3-0 there 12 months ago, Spurs lost 5-1 a couple of years before that. Hopefully we'll buck the trend.

      Winning a league is never easy at the best of times. With Guardiola around, 15 points is all you can afford to drop just to have a chance to win it, that means needing 32-33 wins. 20 points dropped and you can try again next year. I didn't expect a kind fixture list and we haven't got one imo. To me, there looks to be more banana skins than bankers. We'll just have to make the best we can of it.
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      Reply #33: Jun 13, 2019 11:34:22 pm
      There are one or two positives, but all the posters telling us "it doesn't matter when the games are played", are the same posters who will be writing out what we need to do and when we need to do it in the run in, in threads such as "13 Games, Call it",

      Actually the topic was “The next 13 games”, there was no calling it, it was listing our last 13 games. Try to get it right before trying to get at whatever it is you are aiming for and saying what posters will be doing what.

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      Reply #34: Jun 14, 2019 02:20:24 am

      Don't think that leak got anything right!!! F**k the leaks!!

      Suarez coming back for that 1st game?  :lmao: :lmao: :lmao:
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      Reply #35: Jun 14, 2019 09:39:57 am

      why are you up-ticking the prediction that we'll come second again???
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      Reply #36: Jun 14, 2019 09:44:44 am
      why are you up-ticking the prediction that we'll come second again???

      I posted it to highlight that we have 4 'hard' games by October whilst City will have had 1.
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      Reply #37: Jun 14, 2019 09:46:14 am
      The last 5 scheduled games are Brighton, Burnley, Arsenal, Chelsea, finishing up at Newcastle.

      Sorry but apart from the tricky Arsenal match what is so hard about that run-in compared tot he run-in we had last season?

      I think we have a nice start to the season, have a nice December, compared to Citeh, a tough January which could be make or break and the key game already is the City match in April, win or draw that one and we'll win unless Citeh have a sh*t season, fingers crossed!
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      Reply #38: Jun 14, 2019 09:46:39 am
      I posted it to highlight that we have 4 'hard' games by October whilst City will have had 1.

      ah ok :-)
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      Reply #39: Jun 14, 2019 07:47:38 pm
      Last night i bought 2 tix (wife and i) for the Palace game on 3/21 through Thomas Cook....OH BABY!


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      Reply #40: Jun 14, 2019 07:54:53 pm
      Pleased it's actually on a friday as my brother gers married on the saturday, so no need for resorting to ways of getting out of it.
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      Reply #41: Jun 17, 2019 10:58:28 pm
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      Sorry but apart from the tricky Arsenal match what is so hard about that run-in compared tot he run-in we had last season?

      The run in is full of difficult away trips, in bogey grounds, where we have rarely won down the years. While the home games in the run in won't be guaranteed 3 points either. Several of them are likely to be fighting the drop as well. That is not even allowing for cups, Europe, and/or games in hand affecting things. You're also probably looking at three games a week, at some point(s) in the run in.

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      Actually the topic was “The next 13 games”, there was no calling it, it was listing our last 13 games. Try to get it right before trying to get at whatever it is you are aiming for and saying what posters will be doing what.

      Actually the topic is "The title race: call it", which was started around the same time as the other thread.

      There is more to a fixture list than "we have to play everyone twice, home and away". It's clearly better to play a game with a fully fit squad, than play it when littered with injuries and suspensions. It's clearly better to play a tough game when on a good run, than playing it on the back of three straight defeats, or 1 win in 6 games. It's clearly better to play City away when everyone is ready, than play it first with no points in the bag and several players not fully prepped, then lose and be playing catch up immediately. It's much better to have the last game at home if you need a result, than go and try and get it at a bogey ground. I don't know why other people can't see that, until it's too late. The last year we had a home game first and away game last, the away game was Gerrard's last game, and even though there was nothing at stake, people still talk about it.

      15-20 points is the maximum we can afford to drop if we want to win the league. Hopefully we'll finish the season on another long winning run, but it will be more difficult than last season.
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      Reply #42: Jun 18, 2019 01:03:43 am
      Actually the topic is "The title race: call it", which was started around the same time as the other thread.

      So if you know it then why didn’t you put that to begin with  :roll:
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      Reply #43: Jun 18, 2019 07:48:27 am
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      December

      Wednesday 4 – Everton (H)
      Saturday 7 – Bournemouth (A)
      Saturday 14 – Watford (H)
      Saturday 21 – West Ham United (A)
      Thursday 26 – Leicester City (A)
      Saturday 28 – Wolverhampton Wanderers (H)

      I think that some of this will be postponed because of the Club World Cup.

      For me, we need to play each team twice nonetheless so whenever we play them, for our philosophy is that we need to win nonetheless. We need 38 wins and we should go for them. We have the team to challenge City again because we have not lost an essential player.

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      Reply #44: Jun 23, 2019 09:55:02 pm
      Can see 9/10minutes extra time next season. Get 2/3 VAR decisions, subs, injuries and it could drag on to a 100 minute game. Not liking what I've seen of Var. Think it will cause a stink. Could also affect the spontaneity of the game more than is expected.

      Would'nt be surprised to see a major rethink at the end of the season.Problem is you can't put the genie back in the bottle.VAR is arguable the biggest change since subs were allowed back in '65'66.See how it pans out but I have my doubts.
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      Reply #45: Jun 23, 2019 10:18:30 pm
      Can see 9/10minutes extra time next season. Get 2/3 VAR decisions, subs, injuries and it could drag on to a 100 minute game. Not liking what I've seen of Var. Think it will cause a stink. Could also affect the spontaneity of the game more than is expected.

      Would'nt be surprised to see a major rethink at the end of the season.Problem is you can't put the genie back in the bottle.VAR is arguable the biggest change since subs were allowed back in '65'66.See how it pans out but I have my doubts.

      I've got no problems with games going longer. Fed up of games only having 40-50 minutes of football. Time to take timekeeping out of the referee's hands.
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      Reply #46: Jun 23, 2019 10:27:25 pm
      I think that some of this will be postponed because of the Club World Cup.

      For me, we need to play each team twice nonetheless so whenever we play them, for our philosophy is that we need to win nonetheless. We need 38 wins and we should go for them. We have the team to challenge City again because we have not lost an essential player.

      The final in 2018 was Dec. 22 so if this year's matches for Liverpool are Dec. 18 and 21, would it just be the West Ham match on the 21st that is postponed, or could either the Watford match on the 14th or the Leicester match on the 26th also be pushed back? Those festive season fixtures tend to be sacrosanct so if I had to bet I'd say it's likely just the one date. Ends up adding an extra match (2-1 = 1) and a lengthy airplane trip to what is already the most congested part of the season.

      But all of it means we're having the best of times on the pitch, so bring it on.
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      Re: 2019-20 Fixture List - Friday night start for LFC at Anfield
      Reply #47: Jun 23, 2019 10:31:53 pm
      I've got no problems with games going longer. Fed up of games only having 40-50 minutes of football. Time to take timekeeping out of the referee's hands.

      If time was kept off the pitch would it be stopped for every dead ball situation? If so, would the official length of the match be shortened by a good bit from 90 minutes? I agree with you that way too much is wasted under the current setup, but if you use a separate timekeeper, some other questions would have to be asked, like these two.
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      Reply #48: Jun 23, 2019 10:41:02 pm
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      Can see 9/10minutes extra time next season. Get 2/3 VAR decisions, subs, injuries and it could drag on to a 100 minute game. Not liking what I've seen of Var. Think it will cause a stink. Could also affect the spontaneity of the game more than is expected.

      Would'nt be surprised to see a major rethink at the end of the season.Problem is you can't put the genie back in the bottle.VAR is arguable the biggest change since subs were allowed back in '65'66.See how it pans out but I have my doubts.

      We had 6 minutes injury time v Spurs at home. No complaints.
      We had 7 minutes injury time v Everton at home. No complaints.
      We had 9 minutes injury time at Newcastle to survive. No complaints.

      That's just the second half. Nevertheless, we got through them with no harm done. We will get through as much time as we need to play again next season.

      We have been given the honour of holding the first ever league game in England with VAR. Once it's in, we're never going back to the era of clear Mane goals disallowed at Arsenal, costing us 2 critical points in the title race, again.
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      Reply #49: Jun 23, 2019 11:12:19 pm
      We had 6 minutes injury time v Spurs at home. No complaints.
      We had 7 minutes injury time v Everton at home. No complaints.
      We had 9 minutes injury time at Newcastle to survive. No complaints.

      That's just the second half. Nevertheless, we got through them with no harm done. We will get through as much time as we need to play again next season.

      We have been given the honour of holding the first ever league game in England with VAR. Once it's in, we're never going back to the era of clear Mane goals disallowed at Arsenal, costing us 2 critical points in the title race, again.

      Obviously the game will go on and come to a conclusion but there will be problems. I can guarantee controversy and it might well affect the flow of the game. I'm still undecided. Wait to see how it pans out week in week out.
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      Reply #50: Jun 23, 2019 11:45:11 pm
      If time was kept off the pitch would it be stopped for every dead ball situation? If so, would the official length of the match be shortened by a good bit from 90 minutes? I agree with you that way too much is wasted under the current setup, but if you use a separate timekeeper, some other questions would have to be asked, like these two.

      VAR won't be used in relation to the keeper having one foot on the line.That will still be down to the Ref. VAR will only kick in when a "clear and obvious error" has been made. On marginal decisions the Ref will then refer it to VAR. But the Ref himself has to be in doubt - he then refers it to VAR but the Ref then has to run over and check the moniter.

      As it stands I believe the Ref gives decisions he's not 100% certain about. Should he then refer it to VAR. Remembering he can only refer offside,penalties, red cards and mistaken identity. All goals will be automatically checked by VAR.

      If he makes what looks like bad decision, but VAR classes it as not "Clear and obvious error" he will come under pressure to refer it. I would say all penalty decisions should be either looked at automatically by VAR or the Ref should refer it regardless.



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      Re: 2019-20 Fixture List - Friday night start for LFC at Anfield
      Reply #51: Jun 24, 2019 09:31:13 am
      The final in 2018 was Dec. 22 so if this year's matches for Liverpool are Dec. 18 and 21, would it just be the West Ham match on the 21st that is postponed, or could either the Watford match on the 14th or the Leicester match on the 26th also be pushed back?

      They'll be back to play the Boxing Day game.  The two games before Christmas will have to be rearranged I expect.
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      Reply #52: Jun 24, 2019 08:19:19 pm
      The West Ham game is the only league game that has to be rearranged.

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      Obviously the game will go on and come to a conclusion but there will be problems. I can guarantee controversy and it might well affect the flow of the game. I'm still undecided. Wait to see how it pans out week in week out.

      It's controversial if people make it so. The vast majority of VAR decisions will be clearly obvious and indisputable. It's the minority of 50-50 calls where only one decision can be made, that will create headlines.

      How long it takes or how it affects the flow of the game is not really relevant. That already happens. Players slowing down set pieces etc. Apparantly, 8 minutes are already lost per game waiting for these to be taken. 3 minutes are lost over subs. Then you have the Kepas of the world, who act out their "injuries". All of it is accepted as part of the game. So will VAR. The only difference is that VAR only recognises refereeing errors, not professional time wasters.
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      Reply #53: Jun 24, 2019 10:10:07 pm
      The West Ham game is the only league game that has to be rearranged.

      It's controversial if people make it so. The vast majority of VAR decisions will be clearly obvious and indisputable. It's the minority of 50-50 calls where only one decision can be made, that will create headlines.

      How long it takes or how it affects the flow of the game is not really relevant. That already happens. Players slowing down set pieces etc. Apparantly, 8 minutes are already lost per game waiting for these to be taken. 3 minutes are lost over subs. Then you have the Kepas of the world, who act out their "injuries". All of it is accepted as part of the game. So will VAR. The only difference is that VAR only recognises refereeing errors, not professional time wasters.

      Think it goes without saying that disputable decisions will be the main cause controversy. I mean how many Refs will refer a decision they have already made and how many will change their decision once they have looked at it on the moniter.

      The time it takes for VAR to come to a decision or for the ref to view the incident on the moniter is relevent. That was one of the main concerns surrounding VAR.

      Current time wasting or delays are a seperate issue.   
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      Reply #54: Jul 01, 2019 03:58:31 pm
      Refs will make a decision. If the VAR sees grounds for the decision to be changed, he will inform the ref, who will then look at the evidence.

      The only thing that counts is getting the correct decision. Everyone wants it asap, but sometimes that isn't possible. It takes as long as it takes. More haste, less speed.

      Unlike time wasted at set pieces, most of the time "lost" during a review(s), will be given back in injury time. So a minimum of 5 minutes injury time every week will be routine, rather than the exception.
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      Reply #55: Jul 02, 2019 12:01:36 am
      Refs will make a decision. If the VAR sees grounds for the decision to be changed, he will inform the ref, who will then look at the evidence.

      The only thing that counts is getting the correct decision. Everyone wants it asap, but sometimes that isn't possible. It takes as long as it takes. More haste, less speed.

      Unlike time wasted at set pieces, most of the time "lost" during a review(s), will be given back in injury time. So a minimum of 5 minutes injury time every week will be routine, rather than the exception.

      1. Do the replay officials get to watch the replay in slow motion, or do they have to watch at regular speed?

      2. Is there any provision for the decision to be overturned only when a "clear and obvious error" has to be spotted?

      Personally, in line with question #2, I'd have a provision if the replay official or match official haven't seen enough to overturn a call within 60 seconds of the match being stopped, the call will be considered correct and the match restarted.
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      Reply #56: Jul 02, 2019 08:57:42 am
      maybe rather than VAR we should use REFCAM and if the view he has confirms his decision then great if for instance he has made a mistake over a challenge then that can be corrected but trying to totally eliminate mistakes is going to ruin the atmosphere of a game.
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      Reply #57: Jul 02, 2019 08:40:59 pm
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      1. Do the replay officials get to watch the replay in slow motion, or do they have to watch at regular speed?

      2. Is there any provision for the decision to be overturned only when a "clear and obvious error" has to be spotted?

      Personally, in line with question #2, I'd have a provision if the replay official or match official haven't seen enough to overturn a call within 60 seconds of the match being stopped, the call will be considered correct and the match restarted.

      The VAR officials watch replays at regular and/or slow mo speed. If we start putting time limits in, then a wrong decision can stand, which defeats the whole purpose of having the system.

      Offside and mistaken identity calls are clear and obvious. Subjective decisions are less so, but have usually enough evidence to justify the final decision.

      Just one example. The mancs had 4 games at home last season with VAR. One game needed VAR to overturn the usual "offside" goal given against the away team. Another game saw a manc get a red card. Another game saw VAR required to confirm a goal for the away team, and the mancs lost the game on penalties.

      When we face them in October, it will be the very first time we go there, knowing that we are protected against clear errors by refs in that dump, that we have had to take every single year, up to and including last season. Refs can't say they "didn't see it", if there is something for them to see, they will see it. There is now a back up system ready and available to use when it's needed.
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      Reply #58: Jul 02, 2019 08:45:12 pm
      The VAR officials watch replays at regular and/or slow mo speed. If we start putting time limits in, then a wrong decision can stand, which defeats the whole purpose of having the system.

      Offside and mistaken identity calls are clear and obvious. Subjective decisions are less so, but have usually enough evidence to justify the final decision.

      Just one example. The mancs had 4 games at home last season with VAR. One game needed VAR to overturn the usual "offside" goal given against the away team. Another game saw a manc get a red card. Another game saw VAR required to confirm a goal for the away team, and the mancs lost the game on penalties.

      When we face them in October, it will be the very first time we go there, knowing that we are protected against clear errors by refs in that dump, that we have had to take every single year, up to and including last season. Refs can't say they "didn't see it", if there is something for them to see, they will see it. There is now a back up system ready and available to use when it's needed.

      Do you think VAR is reviewed by super computers or something? It’s still the dumb f**k officials that get things wrong week in week out that are making the final decision.

      I’m looking forward to seeing you defend and say how great VAR is and how it was the right decision when they make a howler despite using it.

      VAR in the women’s World Cup gave Holland a penalty vs Japan for a handball. The arm was by her side, didn’t move towards the ball so in a natural position and it was kicked at her from close range. Not a chance that’s a penalty IMO and robbed Japan of the game. If that’s given as handball then what hope is there?! Just makes people soon having to defend with their arms tucked behind their back like Moreno does. Oh and they came to the decision within about 10-15 seconds so yeah, great analysis of the situation from them.
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      Reply #59: Jul 02, 2019 11:15:24 pm
      The arm was not by her side in the incident above. It was a clearcut handball imo, the ref saw it and gave the penalty. VAR checked it and saw no reason for the decision to be changed. It was analysed in more detail in the referee press conference, that I posted the link to in the VAR thread.

      It's ultimately a defender's responsibility to make sure they don't handle the ball in the box. If they do handle it, they can't complain when a penalty is given, as it will be most of the time.

      There will be very few refereeing errors this season. The old excuses for bad decisions and mistakes by the usual faces, no longer apply.
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      Reply #60: Jul 03, 2019 07:47:09 am
      Only 1 month before the PL starts, no new players (we need a forward) and we did not start training jet. Am I the only one  who is worried?
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      Reply #61: Jul 03, 2019 07:55:19 am
      Only 1 month before the PL starts, no new players (we need a forward) and we did not start training jet. Am I the only one  who is worried?

      When are the boys report back for preseason training? Those that are available.
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      Reply #62: Jul 03, 2019 08:21:57 am
      Next Saturday the 6th. Fabinho, Milner, Matip, etc, etc report. The internationals don't come in before the US trip, let alone those who play on the Africa cup or our Brazilian players who are still playing. They will train during their holiday and need a rest but 5 weeks?

      The CS is on the 4th of August, it is a small price I know but I will still like to win it.
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      Reply #63: Jul 10, 2019 08:17:33 pm
      Unless it has changed this year, the minimum close season break for players is 3 weeks from the date of their last game. So most players should be back for the American leg of pre-season.

      On the fixture front, our first 7 league games have their ko times confirmed. Only the trip to Southampton stays as it is, just 3 days after we play the Super Cup Final.

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      Do you think VAR is reviewed by super computers or something? It’s still the dumb f**k officials that get things wrong week in week out that are making the final decision.

      I’m looking forward to seeing you defend and say how great VAR is and how it was the right decision when they make a howler despite using it.

      Even with the weakest refs using it, there has been approx 3 VAR decisions in domestic cup games over the past two years, when people have questioned if the final decision was a mistake. Even if it is that much, it's a long way from the 1 mistake every 3 games per week last season without it, of which 3 coaches lost their jobs, a few days after a terrible decision went against them.

      Two years ago, this was a token experiment. Now it's in every major league in Europe, every major national tournament and is expanding further into the game. Because most people realise it works more often than it doesn't.

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