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      Bruno Fernandes (Sporting Lisbon)

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      Bruno Fernandes (Sporting Lisbon)
      Jun 17, 2019 09:46:47 am
      Any truth in reports we have bid £40 million for Bruno Fernandes?

      https://twitter.com/TransferRoomLFC/status/1140387030431686657
      « Last Edit: Jun 17, 2019 07:17:33 pm by 7-King Kenny-7 »
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      Re: Re: General Transfer rumours/gossip thread
      Reply #1: Jun 17, 2019 10:02:09 am
      Any truth in reports we have bid £40 million for Bruno Fernandes?

      Probably not. Give a couple of hours and the ever cheerful James Pearce would have dismissed it.
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      Reply #2: Jun 17, 2019 10:44:48 am
      Probably not. Give a couple of hours and the ever cheerful James Pearce would have dismissed it.

      Hope it's true mate he's a classy player and offers lots of attacking threat.
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      Re: Re: General Transfer rumours/gossip thread
      Reply #3: Jun 17, 2019 10:50:47 am
      Any truth in reports we have bid £40 million for Bruno Fernandes?

      He is pure sh*te. £40million my arse.
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      Re: Re: General Transfer rumours/gossip thread
      Reply #4: Jun 17, 2019 11:01:38 am
      Hope it's true mate he's a classy player and offers lots of attacking threat.

      Agreed.


      He is pure sh*te. £40million my arse.

      32 goals and 18 assists last season...yeah, he’s proper sh*te like  :roll:
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      Re: Re: General Transfer rumours/gossip thread
      Reply #5: Jun 17, 2019 11:06:21 am
      He is pure sh*te. £40million my arse.

      Absolute steal for that price.

      Your arse is what you're talking out of.
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      Re: Re: General Transfer rumours/gossip thread
      Reply #6: Jun 17, 2019 11:52:29 am
      He is pure sh*te. £40million my arse.

      oh mannn..  :mad:
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      Reply #7: Jun 17, 2019 11:58:01 am
      Agreed.


      32 goals and 18 assists last season...yeah, he’s proper sh*te like  :roll:

      In the Portuguese League - I have my reservations about him and wary about using stats like above - certainly isn’t “sh*te” as been mentioned but I’m not sure about him on the small amount of times I have seen him - would all depend on the fee I guess
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      Re: Re: General Transfer rumours/gossip thread
      Reply #8: Jun 17, 2019 12:23:21 pm
      In the Portuguese League - I have my reservations about him and wary about using stats like above - certainly isn’t “sh*te” as been mentioned but I’m not sure about him on the small amount of times I have seen him - would all depend on the fee I guess

      Not sh*te but haven't been overly impressed when i have seen him. Against villareal he frankly was a disgrace as a captain. Spent the entire game acting the tw*t by playacting and generally being terrible as sporting went out.
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      Re: Re: General Transfer rumours/gossip thread
      Reply #9: Jun 17, 2019 01:10:39 pm
      In the Portuguese League - I have my reservations about him and wary about using stats like above - certainly isn’t “sh*te” as been mentioned but I’m not sure about him on the small amount of times I have seen him - would all depend on the fee I guess

      Not sh*te but haven't been overly impressed when i have seen him. Against villareal he frankly was a disgrace as a captain. Spent the entire game acting the tw*t by playacting and generally being terrible as sporting went out.

      I've liked a lot of what I've seen - I know Diego is a massive fan - but a couple of times more recently he's looked a bit shot happy to me.......a wee bit lacking in imagination.
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      Re: Re: General Transfer rumours/gossip thread
      Reply #10: Jun 17, 2019 01:33:42 pm
      In the Portuguese League - I have my reservations about him and wary about using stats like above - certainly isn’t “sh*te” as been mentioned but I’m not sure about him on the small amount of times I have seen him - would all depend on the fee I guess

      Rui Patricio and Ruben Neves have done well coming from the Portuguese league, obviously  Ronaldo was a hit and Nani wasn’t the worst. Militao going to Madrid for big money, Jiminez to Wolves from Benfica worked out really well too.
      Joao Felix linked with a mega money move elsewhere.

      I know it’s not the greatest league but Porto, Sporting and Benfica would make a good name for themselves in the Premier League and other top divisions. If a player has the quality then it doesn’t matter what league they are from. Let’s not forget Virgil and Robbo came to England from the SPL which is a league viewed in a very bad light.

      IMO people tend to jump to the conclusion that players from the Portuguese league aren’t as appealing and have reservations because of the Markovic shambles.
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      Re: Re: General Transfer rumours/gossip thread
      Reply #11: Jun 17, 2019 02:09:06 pm
      Really can't see us signing B.Fernandes unless we sell, Lallana, Ox or Shaqiri, and I can't see us selling them.
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      Re: Re: General Transfer rumours/gossip thread
      Reply #12: Jun 17, 2019 02:56:07 pm
      Rui Patricio and Ruben Neves have done well coming from the Portuguese league, obviously  Ronaldo was a hit and Nani wasn’t the worst. Militao going to Madrid for big money, Jiminez to Wolves from Benfica worked out really well too.
      Joao Felix linked with a mega money move elsewhere.

      I know it’s not the greatest league but Porto, Sporting and Benfica would make a good name for themselves in the Premier League and other top divisions. If a player has the quality then it doesn’t matter what league they are from. Let’s not forget Virgil and Robbo came to England from the SPL which is a league viewed in a very bad light.

      IMO people tend to jump to the conclusion that players from the Portuguese league aren’t as appealing and have reservations because of the Markovic shambles.
      Absolutely mate, I feel like a lot of English fans in particular are very negative towards other leagues when in fact most teams are made up from players brought from these leagues.
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      Re: Re: General Transfer rumours/gossip thread
      Reply #13: Jun 17, 2019 04:06:59 pm
      IMO people tend to jump to the conclusion that players from the Portuguese league aren’t as appealing and have reservations because of the Markovic shambles.

      Agreed, and that's daft to say the least, usually coming from people who haven't actually watched much of the player(s) and instead of keeping their mouths shut, still want to pass on an opinion - so they generalise on past failures instead of judging each player on its merits. The Portuguese league is poor and lacks competitiveness, but Benfica, Sporting and Porto's academies are among the best in the world, Portugal are the winners of the last two senior European competitions, of the u-19 Euro and Porto are the u-20 European champions (UEFA Youth League). There's lots of talent to be found there. Personally I think Bruno Fernandes is a great player on a poor team. Think he'd be a great signing.

      Btw, people love to generalise on other things as well, equally daft - a few examples: "we shouldn't deal with Italian clubs" (because of past issues or difficult negotiations - that is, if we depended on those people we wouldn't have signed Salah), "we have to stop buying from Southampton" (because Lambert and Lovren were seen as failures, then we wouldn't have signed Mané and van Dijk), among many others. I think this all stems from a great desire to provide opinions when there's none to be given, so why not go for a good old cliché.
      « Last Edit: Jun 17, 2019 04:12:08 pm by Diego LFC »
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      Re: Bruno Fernandes (Sporting Lisbon)
      Reply #14: Jun 18, 2019 07:01:06 am
      Well, there was a very generic dismissal from Echo that we won't be signing midfielders. They also individually dismissed names like Pepe, Fekir, Kruse, De Ligt, Depay et al.

      Bruno links haven't been specifically downplayed yet. Let's hope he makes that lean.
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      Re: Bruno Fernandes (Sporting Lisbon)
      Reply #15: Jun 18, 2019 04:34:29 pm

      Bruno links haven't been specifically downplayed yet. Let's hope he makes that lean.

      Apparently we have happily lowered the fee for Camacho to Sporting so maybe the two are linked.
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      Re: Bruno Fernandes (Sporting Lisbon)
      Reply #16: Jun 18, 2019 04:35:47 pm
      Well, there was a very generic dismissal from Echo that we won't be signing midfielders. They also individually dismissed names like Pepe, Fekir, Kruse, De Ligt, Depay et al.

      Bruno links haven't been specifically downplayed yet. Let's hope he makes that lean.

      Don't see it happening
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      Reply #17: Jun 18, 2019 05:00:54 pm
      Apparently we have happily lowered the fee for Camacho to Sporting so maybe the two are linked.

      I hope so.  To me, Bruno looks the type of player who could rotate into either of the the wide forward roles for Mane/Salah and we wouldn't miss a beat.  Both Mane and Salah can play more centrally if/when required, so this would give us a lot of depth and flexibility.
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      Reply #18: Jun 18, 2019 11:05:47 pm
      Can see this one getting done or is it wishful thinking ,
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      Re: Bruno Fernandes (Sporting Lisbon)
      Reply #19: Jun 19, 2019 07:36:15 am
      Don’t know too much about the lad
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      Reply #20: Jun 19, 2019 07:42:37 am
      Apparently we have happily lowered the fee for Camacho to Sporting so maybe the two are linked.

      Think we lowered the fee cos we wanted a buy-back clause AND a 20% sell-on clause. But hope it is also linked with Bruno's transfer
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      Reply #21: Jun 19, 2019 10:29:54 am
      The reason I tend to believe the rumors linking us to this guy more than the other ones is the fact that the more you look at him the more you see stark similarities between his game and what he would bring to our game and Nabil Fekir.

      They both are playmakers that can play high up the pitch/behind the striker and distribute the ball to the front three with a degree of creativity that we don't currently possess in our team. Both can put their feet through the ball from distance/outside the box which basically translates into the ability to unlock games where our opponents are happy to sit back. Finally, Fernandes, as well as Fekir, are good free-kick takers. These are the 3 qualities that jump to the eye when you speak about Fekir or Fernandes.

      Basically, Fernandes is our 2nd attempt at replacing Coutinho after what happened last summer with Fekir. Similar players with similar qualities that Klopp is probably looking to bring to the club in order to fill the hole Coutinho created when he left.
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      Re: Bruno Fernandes (Sporting Lisbon)
      Reply #22: Jun 19, 2019 10:52:45 am
      The reason I tend to believe the rumors linking us to this guy more than the other ones is the fact that the more you look at him the more you see stark similarities between his game and what he would bring to our game and Nabil Fekir.

      They both are playmakers that can play high up the pitch/behind the striker and distribute the ball to the front three with a degree of creativity that we don't currently possess in our team. Both can put their feet through the ball from distance/outside the box which basically translates into the ability to unlock games where our opponents are happy to sit back. Finally, Fernandes, as well as Fekir, are good free-kick takers. These are the 3 qualities that jump to the eye when you speak about Fekir or Fernandes.

      Basically, Fernandes is our 2nd attempt at replacing Coutinho after what happened last summer with Fekir. Similar players with similar qualities that Klopp is probably looking to bring to the club in order to fill the hole Coutinho created when he left.

      So similar to Keita and Ox then, do we really need a 3rd attacking midfielder? I'd much rather we go for Dembele or some other high quality forward.
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      Reply #23: Jun 19, 2019 11:50:38 am
      So similar to Keita and Ox then, do we really need a 3rd attacking midfielder? I'd much rather we go for Dembele or some other high quality forward.

      As far as Ox is concerned I don't think he is similar to Fekir or Fernandes. He is good at carrying the ball, assisting with runs that open space for our wingers and he is solid in terms of the press and the defensive contribution he brings but he is not a playmaker.

      I too thought that Keita was supposed to be the player who would provide the playmaking ability to the midfield especially in more advanced positions, but we spent all season either watching him being average, injured or on the bench so it's hard to really classify him (I'd say he's more box to box than playmaker from what I've seen so far). However, what makes me think Klopp still wants a playmaker is the fact that when this whole Fekir story unfolded Keita's transfer was already confirmed for a year or so and despite that, we clearly went for an AM in Fekir.

      Edit: I too would like a high quality forward to strengthen our options up front.

      « Last Edit: Jun 19, 2019 12:02:28 pm by PolarBearRed »
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      Reply #25: Jun 19, 2019 01:21:59 pm

      No chance of us getting a new midfielder (attacking or defensive) unless Lallana or/and Milner leaves.
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      Re: Bruno Fernandes (Sporting Lisbon)
      Reply #26: Jun 19, 2019 01:24:47 pm
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      Reply #27: Jun 19, 2019 01:27:53 pm

      The source is David Lynch, LFC's correspondent for the Evening Standard. Not sure on his level of credibility though.

      But the beauty about this transfer window is the optimism that we're in the best hands unlike some of the past windows from 2-3 years back when it was disappointing after losing out on a few names. So, with these journos dismissing all transfer rumors left, right & center, this window is turning out to be really fun!  ;D
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      Reply #28: Jun 19, 2019 01:38:55 pm
      The source is David Lynch, LFC's correspondent for the Evening Standard. Not sure on his level of credibility though.

      One of few football Journo's out there that doesn't spread rumours and only puts things out there when he is 100% sure. I have found him to be reliable since I stumbled across him last summer.
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      Reply #29: Jun 19, 2019 04:48:26 pm
      The source is David Lynch, LFC's correspondent for the Evening Standard. Not sure on his level of credibility though.

      But the beauty about this transfer window is the optimism that we're in the best hands unlike some of the past windows from 2-3 years back when it was disappointing after losing out on a few names. So, with these journos dismissing all transfer rumors left, right & center, this window is turning out to be really fun!  ;D

      Aren't we in the same hands as we were 2-3 years ago?
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      Reply #30: Jun 24, 2019 11:11:58 pm
      1/9 to Join us with some bookies apparently  ???
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      Reply #31: Jun 25, 2019 12:17:55 am
      1/9 to Join us with some bookies apparently  ???

      Saw a couple of hours ago  its allegedly  went from 4/1 to 1/3 if theres a press conference in a day or so fare enough,still too many variables
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      Reply #32: Jun 26, 2019 01:28:56 am
      He's on his way  :D :D :D

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      Reply #33: Jun 26, 2019 12:08:25 pm
      Am I the only guy that has no idea who he is?
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      Reply #34: Jun 26, 2019 12:13:43 pm
      This year's arda turan
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      Reply #35: Jun 26, 2019 12:20:23 pm

      Yep! We have 7 midfielders and we are supposedly interested in another? Not happening!!
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      Reply #36: Jun 26, 2019 12:40:41 pm
      Yep! We have 7 midfielders and we are supposedly interested in another? Not happening!!

      I would agree only he offers something different to all of our other midfielders... goals.

      Would love if we sign him.
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      Reply #37: Jun 26, 2019 01:00:08 pm
      I would agree only he offers something different to all of our other midfielders... goals.

      Would love if we sign him.

      His style of play is actually quite similar to Firmino in my opinion.  He presses well, is good at carrying the ball forward and driving at defenders, has an eye for a pass, and most importantly has a wicked shot and is capable of scoring many different types of goals.  If we sign him, I think it will be to supplement our numbers in the forward line rather than the midfield. 
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      Reply #38: Jun 26, 2019 01:02:29 pm
      He presses well, is good at carrying the ball forward and driving at defenders, has an eye for a pass, and most importantly has a wicked shot and is capable of scoring many different types of goals.

      Sounds like Ox & Keita.... ish!
      « Last Edit: Jun 26, 2019 01:06:35 pm by PurpleMonkey »
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      Reply #39: Jun 26, 2019 01:09:24 pm

      Only he scored and assisted more last season than Ox and Keita have in the last two seasons combined.

      Although I do expect more goals from Naby next season.
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      Reply #40: Jun 26, 2019 02:17:21 pm
      Only he scored and assisted more last season than Ox and Keita have in the last two seasons combined.

      Although I do expect more goals from Naby next season.

      Chamberlain has essentially only had half a season of football with us and provided goals

      Naby had his first season last year and began to settle towards the end before his injury

      Stick both of them in the Portuguese league and their numbers are massive
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      Reply #41: Jun 26, 2019 10:11:30 pm
      Chamberlain has essentially only had half a season of football with us and provided goals

      Naby had his first season last year and began to settle towards the end before his injury

      Stick both of them in the Portuguese league and their numbers are massive

      I think he's a good player but I 100% agree with that.
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      Reply #42: Jun 27, 2019 07:19:34 pm
      Yep! We have 7 midfielders and we are supposedly interested in another? Not happening!!
      Based on his skill sets, quality, and production history I envision multiple roles for Bruno if he winds up at LFC...

      1A) Forward positioned midfielder acting as facilitator/goal scorer
      1B) Starting quality forward who can slide in for Salah or Firmino and not miss a beat

      Playing time is an important component in Fernades' next team decision and I believe Klopp can carve out a very enticing role for this guy and LFC will benefit from such multidimensional quality and depth.

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      Reply #43: Jun 27, 2019 08:09:34 pm
      Yep! We have 7 midfielders and we are supposedly interested in another? Not happening!!
      I would've thought the same thing, but we had the same amount of midfielders last year when we went for Fekir.

      Maybe Klopp really wants a playmaker in his midfield. Plus the guys seems mobile and versatile. Who knows, maybe we're really interested in him.
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      Reply #44: Jul 06, 2019 10:51:59 am
      The Manc Scum apparently in with £60mil bid for him. Slow news day.
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      Reply #45: Jul 06, 2019 03:09:51 pm
      The Manc Scum apparently in with £60mil bid for him. Slow news day.

      Palmeri says they actually want Lazio's SMS (they were linked with him last summer too) given the Pogba exit rumors, so doubt they would go for Bruno if that's the case.

      https://twitter.com/tancredipalmeri/status/1147480416376512512

      Or in other words, Bruno has probably set his heart on moving to Anfield leaving United with no choice but to pull out and go after other players, also leaves Sporting in a situation where they need to negotiate with us having promised the player last season that they'll respect his wishes and let him leave if a sizable offer comes in.

      **end of wishful thinking**
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      Reply #46: Jul 06, 2019 04:42:55 pm
      Can this dude play on the wing aswell?
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      Reply #47: Jul 07, 2019 03:32:14 pm
      I think he is very central. He can play as a striker, but probably not as a winger
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      Reply #48: Jul 07, 2019 03:44:40 pm
      I think he is very central. He can play as a striker, but probably not as a winger

      We don't really play with traditional wingers though.  Our wide forwards tend to play very narrow.  Our width comes from our fullbacks.  I'm pretty confident he could play anywhere across our front 3. 
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      Reply #49: Jul 07, 2019 04:25:51 pm
      I think he is very central. He can play as a striker, but probably not as a winger

      I don't think I've ever seen him play as a striker, but he's played wide left on a couple occasions
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      Re: Bruno Fernandes (Sporting Lisbon)
      Reply #50: Jul 07, 2019 04:52:32 pm
      Let’s be honest - he is available and if Klopp wanted him he would be a Liverpool player now , he isn’t going to be a Liverpool player and watching him in the Euro Nations things we aren’t going to be missing much

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      Reply #51: Jul 07, 2019 05:24:42 pm
      Let’s be honest - he is available and if Klopp wanted him he would be a Liverpool player now , he isn’t going to be a Liverpool player and watching him in the Euro Nations things we aren’t going to be missing much



      If Klopp isn't interested it sure as hell isn't because of a couple of international games
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      Re: Bruno Fernandes (Sporting Lisbon)
      Reply #52: Jul 07, 2019 06:40:23 pm
      Let’s be honest - he is available and if Klopp wanted him he would be a Liverpool player now , he isn’t going to be a Liverpool player and watching him in the Euro Nations things we aren’t going to be missing much



      Nonsense. Given how some of our lads have performed on international duty over the years, that would be a ridiculous thing to base it on.

      Shaqiri was available and we hadn’t signed him yet a year ago and he had a release clause. Klopp wanted Keita and it took us a year to get him and then 6 months to get Virgil!
      There is such a thing as negotiating that takes place, not every transfer is smooth sailing.
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      Reply #53: Jul 07, 2019 07:06:10 pm
      Nonsense. Given how some of our lads have performed on international duty over the years, that would be a ridiculous thing to base it on.

      Shaqiri was available and we hadn’t signed him yet a year ago and he had a release clause. Klopp wanted Keita and it took us a year to get him and then 6 months to get Virgil!
      There is such a thing as negotiating that takes place, not every transfer is smooth sailing.

      Fernandes is not going to be a Liverpool player - I suspect he is just another overhyped player that people have only seen stats of from a sports console game.

      Keita was signed and bids were submitted ,VVD had terms agreed with - the length of time it took to get them has no relevance to pure speculation about Fernandes because let’s be honest that’s all it is - pure speculation derived from pretend ITK accounts on twitter.

      Anyone just needs to look at the squad and see that we won’t be signing a midfielder unless one leaves and right now no one is leaving, so why does anyone think we would be actually signing these Fernandes?
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      Reply #54: Jul 07, 2019 07:07:20 pm
      If Klopp isn't interested it sure as hell isn't because of a couple of international games

      And I have no doubt that Klopp hasn’t given him one single thought.
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      Reply #55: Jul 07, 2019 07:53:51 pm
      Fernandes is not going to be a Liverpool player - I suspect he is just another overhyped player that people have only seen stats of from a sports console game.

      Keita was signed and bids were submitted ,VVD had terms agreed with - the length of time it took to get them has no relevance to pure speculation about Fernandes because let’s be honest that’s all it is - pure speculation derived from pretend ITK accounts on twitter.

      Anyone just needs to look at the squad and see that we won’t be signing a midfielder unless one leaves and right now no one is leaving, so why does anyone think we would be actually signing these Fernandes?

      That's your opinion, but like the rest of us you haven't got a clue.
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      Reply #56: Jul 07, 2019 07:57:59 pm
      And I have no doubt that Klopp hasn’t given him one single thought.

      Haha. Yeah, because you would know.

      I suspect he is just another overhyped player that people have only seen stats of from a sports console game.

      And I suspect your dislike of the player is based on nothing at all but a desire to pass on an opinion. I know the feeling, but if you don't have anything useful to say, you can always *not* post! An incredible idea, I know, but give it a thought.
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      Reply #57: Jul 07, 2019 07:59:34 pm
      And I suspect your dislike of the player is based on nothing at all but a desire to pass on an opinion.

      That and he's seen him play a couple of games for Portugal and that's it by the looks of it. Clearly unaware of the season the player has just had.
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      Reply #58: Jul 07, 2019 08:11:58 pm
      That's your opinion, but like the rest of us you haven't got a clue.

      How many players since Klopp has arrived have we signed that have been posted by these “ITK” on twitter

      The only players that arrived the first we heard many times was when solid bids where confirmed

      And how many of the “rumoured” fron twitter or any other social media source have we signed - none

      Times have changed over the last couple of years and the “media” now are just shooting fish in a barrel , 2+2 = 5 etc etc etc

      We do our business properly now - Fabinho signed and sealed before anyone said a word , Allison done and dusted when we were linked to every keeper going etc etc
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      Reply #59: Jul 07, 2019 08:18:11 pm
      Haha. Yeah, because you would know.

      And I suspect your dislike of the player is based on nothing at all but a desire to pass on an opinion. I know the feeling, but if you don't have anything useful to say, you can always *not* post! An incredible idea, I know, but give it a thought.

      Dislike of the player ? Sorry but where did I say I “dislike” the player - seen him a few times in Internationals , a couple of times in the Europa and did not much to stand out , and decent stats in a poor Portuguese League doesn’t make the player a stand out that’s worthy of the heavy price tag

      My point is simply this is nothing but baseless rumours

      He was supposed to be flying to the UK to see this team and that team - guess where he was - flying to Switzerland with Sporting

      He is just another name of endless players that have been “linked” to us based on nothing.

      I guess you maybe are Portuguese and like the player but I’m pretty sure that he just isn’t at the level we need and certainly not someone the manager is going to spend money on when we have a full midfield already
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      Re: Bruno Fernandes (Sporting Lisbon)
      Reply #60: Jul 07, 2019 08:22:12 pm
      Dislike of the player ? Sorry but where did I say I “dislike” the player

      I’m pretty sure that he just isn’t at the level we need

      Uh, ok.
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      Reply #61: Jul 07, 2019 08:25:40 pm
      That and he's seen him play a couple of games for Portugal and that's it by the looks of it. Clearly unaware of the season the player has just had.

      Everyone has seen the stats - but it’s stats from a poor Portuguese League and a league that the UK don’t see because it’s not great.

      He was also in europa league against a poor Arsenal team and did nothing

      Shall we go and get that Morega guy who is superb in the Portuguese League but couldn’t hit a barn door against us
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      Reply #62: Jul 07, 2019 08:26:22 pm

      Confused ? So if someone doesn’t rate a player that means they have a “dislike” of the player ?
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      Reply #63: Jul 07, 2019 08:29:23 pm
      Everyone has seen the stats - but it’s stats from a poor Portuguese League and a league that the UK don’t see because it’s not great.

      He was also in europa league against a poor Arsenal team and did nothing

      Shall we go and get that Morega guy who is superb in the Portuguese League but couldn’t hit a barn door against us

      Portuguese league that has produced many players to go on and become top players in other countries, even the Premier League believe it or not.
      Joao Felix done nothing for Portugal a few weeks ago and now he’s moved for £113mill.

      Trouble with people some people is they have such little knowledge of some of the quality there actually is in leagues like Portugal and tarnish it with past mistakes like Markovic. You are one of them people.


      How many players since Klopp has arrived have we signed that have been posted by these “ITK” on twitter

      The only players that arrived the first we heard many times was when solid bids where confirmed

      And how many of the “rumoured” fron twitter or any other social media source have we signed - none

      Times have changed over the last couple of years and the “media” now are just shooting fish in a barrel , 2+2 = 5 etc etc etc

      We do our business properly now - Fabinho signed and sealed before anyone said a word , Allison done and dusted when we were linked to every keeper going etc etc

      Funny how you probably didn’t take this approach when “ITKs” were saying we were getting Keita, Van dijk and Shaqiri. Believe it or not, transfer rumours have been around long before twitter.
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      Reply #64: Jul 07, 2019 08:34:00 pm
      Confused ? So if someone doesn’t rate a player that means they have a “dislike” of the player ?

      Well, apparently it does for some (more hate than dislike!) on this forum, just look at the Hendo thread.
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      Reply #65: Jul 07, 2019 08:37:59 pm
      Confused ? So if someone doesn’t rate a player that means they have a “dislike” of the player ?

      I meant dislike not in the sense of you not liking the player's personality or whatever. Just not liking him, or rating him, as a player.

      But anyway, I find it funny that you, on the base of a couple of games, can say with such certainty that he isn't good enough whilst accusing others of "overhyping" him because of a "sports console game". Ok, then.

      By the way - the Portuguese league might be poor, but 31 goals from midfield (all competitions) are hardly just "decent" stats. Add some 15+ assists to that as well, if I recall correctly.

      And the rumours might be entirely baseless, and you may point out to the numbers we have in the position, but I do recall Klopp nearly signing a midfielder last season when all of those players were already at the club as well.
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      Reply #66: Jul 07, 2019 08:42:22 pm
      Portuguese league that has produced many players to go on and become top players in other countries, even the Premier League believe it or not.
      Joao Felix done nothing for Portugal a few weeks ago and now he’s moved for £113mill.

      Trouble with people some people is they have such little knowledge of some of the quality there actually is in leagues like Portugal and tarnish it with past mistakes like Markovic. You are one of them people.

      Am I ? Wow that’s quite a judgement to make based on me not rating a player

      My “rating” of the Portuguese has nothing to do with Markovic just to clear that little misunderstanding for you

      And I See Madrid being completely mental spending that amount of money of Felix but that’s just my opinion , than again it seems I have “such little knowledge”  :roll:

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      Funny how you probably didn’t take this approach when “ITKs” were saying we were getting Keita, Van dijk and Shaqiri. Believe it or not, transfer rumours have been around long before twitter.

      I can say with pretty sure certainty that any “ITK” that posted about the players you mentioned where already a day late and a bid had already been made of contact made and a “reliable” source from the local area was already talking about

      99.9% of the “ITK” haven’t got a clue
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      Reply #67: Jul 07, 2019 08:48:50 pm
      Am I ? Wow that’s quite a judgement to make based on me not rating a player

      My “rating” of the Portuguese has nothing to do with Markovic just to clear that little misunderstanding for you

      And I See Madrid being completely mental spending that amount of money of Felix but that’s just my opinion , than again it seems I have “such little knowledge”  :roll:

      I can say with pretty sure certainty that any “ITK” that posted about the players you mentioned where already a day late and a bid had already been made of contact made and a “reliable” source from the local area was already talking about

      99.9% of the “ITK” haven’t got a clue

      Well you are happy to make judgments on players you’ve seen very little of and judgments on who Klopp will and will not have been looking at so don’t take it personally that it’s then done about you.

      There was an 18yr old diver and show pony from the Portuguese league that was signed for fairly big money (at the time for that age), might have heard of him; Cristiano Ronaldo, he certainly had no problem upping his game.
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      Reply #68: Jul 07, 2019 08:50:32 pm
      I meant dislike not in the sense of you not liking the player's personality or whatever. Just not liking him, or rating him, as a player.

      But anyway, I find it funny that you, on the base of a couple of games, can say with such certainty that he isn't good enough whilst accusing others of "overhyping" him because of a "sports console game". Ok, then.

      By the way - the Portuguese league might be poor, but 31 goals from midfield (all competitions) are hardly just "decent" stats. Add some 15+ assists to that as well, if I recall correctly.

      And the rumours might be entirely baseless, and you may point out to the numbers we have in the position, but I do recall Klopp nearly signing a midfielder last season when all of those players were already at the club as well.

      Do you mean when Oxlade was out for the season with a serious injury hence looking to first bring in Fekir and then Shaqiri. Oxlade back now

      Barcelona and Madrid raid the Portuguese League regularly - if this guys stats stand up as a record that shows he can mix it with the best in Europe and not just Portugal and Europa League - why wouldn’t they be looking at a player in a position they would certainly benefit from ?

      I have no doubt he is a player that will flourish in a less frantic physical league where he gets time on the ball and space but from what I have seen he wouldn’t work out in the Prem - doesn’t make him a bad player


      Klopp doesn’t mess around with signings anymore - he makes it known early he wants the player - interviews with both VVD and Keita will tell you that. So I’m confident to say that if Klopp wanted another attacking mid and likes Fernandes then there isn’t much standing in the way.
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      Reply #69: Jul 07, 2019 08:55:17 pm
      Well you are happy to make judgments on players you’ve seen very little of and judgments on who Klopp will and will not have been looking at so don’t take it personally that it’s then done about you.

      How else will people make judgements on a player ? When they watch them surely ? International stage , Europa League stage. Was it the World Cup where he started first game subbed early and dropped for the next couple of games.

      I gave an opinion , you called it nonsense and then suggested I have little knowledge. All because I believe we won’t be signing Fernandes  :roll:

      And yep Ronaldo did well - how about Quesrma ? - there are successes and failures wherever you look
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      Reply #70: Jul 07, 2019 08:56:15 pm

      Barcelona and Madrid raid the Portuguese League regularly - if this guys stats stand up as a record that shows he can mix it with the best in Europe and not just Portugal and Europa League - why wouldn’t they be looking at a player in a position they would certainly benefit from ?


      Well what does that tell you about the league then if they keep raiding it?!
      Barca have their sights on Griezemann - who by the way is available but yet there is no concrete offer for him...wonder if they have any fans viewing that like you are Fernandes...

      Madrid had Hazard as their main target and then spent another 150mill, they can't spend anymore now.

      Your point is so pointless it’s like saying well Virgil can’t be that good or people would be trying to sign him. Every team has different needs and targets. Barca and Madrid May well like Fernandes but if he doesn’t fit the mould then they won’t sign him, no different to us choosing to wait and sign virgil over signing anyone else.

      Madrid signed Militao, a player that was part of the team we thumped. Guess that makes him sh*t because he didn’t have a good game? Using your logic of Fernandes in one World Cup game.

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      Reply #71: Jul 07, 2019 09:02:40 pm
      Well what does that tell you about the league then if they keep raiding it?!
      Barca have their sights on Griezemann - who by the way is available but yet there is no concrete offer for him...wonder if they have any fans viewing that like you are Fernandes...

      Madrid had Hazard as their main target and then spent another 150mill, they can't spend anymore now.

      Your point is so pointless it’s like saying well Virgil can’t be that good or people would be trying to sign him. Every team has different needs and targets. Barca and Madrid May well like Fernandes but if he doesn’t fit the mould then they won’t sign him, no different to us choosing to wait and sign virgil over signing anyone else.

      They raid it because it’s easy for them to sign players from it - the transition across is nice and easy.

      Christ we all know that when the release clause for Greizmann drops to 110 then Barce will act ( believe they already have and Atletico have reacted back )


      We all know that every club in the world would want VVD - so the comparisons is irrelevant

      My point was quite simple - if Klopp wanted him then he would have been signed - simple as that , 4 weeks plus of “rumours” tell the story clearly


      Blimey have to keep editing as you keep adding stuff

      I thought Militeo played very well against us and you clearly see he was a stand out player

      And so it’s now a couple of Euro Nation games , couple of Europa League game , World Cup game -  is there a certain amount of games that one must watch before they are allowed to judge a player ?
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      Reply #72: Jul 07, 2019 09:03:56 pm
      They raid it because it’s easy for them to sign players from it - the transition across is nice and easy.

      Christ we all know that when the release clause for Greizmann drops to 110 then Barce will act ( believe they already have and Atletico have reacted back )


      We all know that every club in the world would want VVD - so the comparisons is irrelevant

      My point was quite simple - if Klopp wanted him then he would have been signed - simple as that , 4 weeks plus of “rumours” tell the story clearly


      You make the point about how many players do we actually sign that are spoken about in rumours...well the same rule applies, you can’t dismiss we won’t sign a player because with a Klopp we never know. He said we weren’t signing Ox but we did.

      Also like I said, a year ago we hadn’t signed Shaqiri at this stage so your point about if we wanted Fernandes then he’d be here now is irrelevant because unless you are part of the transfer team, then like us; you know jack sh*t. Which actually, I expect to see you dismissing talk of any player we are linked with now because you know, they’d be here already if it was true.
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      Reply #73: Jul 07, 2019 09:09:04 pm
      You make the point about how many players do we actually sign that are spoken about in rumours...well the same rule applies, you can’t dismiss we won’t sign a player because with a Klopp we never know. He said we weren’t signing Ox but we did.

      What has he said about Fernandes ? Yep he spoke about - Mo , VVD , Ox , Mane , Kieta - guess what we did with those , signed them

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      Also like I said, a year ago we hadn’t signed Shaqiri at this stage so your point about if we wanted Fernandes then he’d be here now is irrelevant because unless you are part of the transfer team, then like us; you know jack sh*t.

      We didn’t sign Shaqiri because we were looking to sign Fekir and nearly signing him.
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      Reply #74: Jul 07, 2019 09:11:05 pm
      What has he said about Fernandes ? Yep he spoke about - Mo , VVD , Ox , Mane , Kieta - guess what we did with those , signed them

      We didn’t sign Shaqiri because we were looking to sign Fekir and nearly signing him.

      He didn’t speak about Mo, Mane, Virgil or Keita from what I remember. The talk was we were signing Gotze, there was no mention about Mane other than being a potential alternative.

      When are some people going to realise we didn’t sign shaqiri as an alternative, he’s a completely different player to Fekir! There was talk of Shaqiri signing when we were after Fekir!

      You don’t rate the player, fine. End of, doesn’t change the fact you know jack though, just like the rest of us.
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      Reply #75: Jul 07, 2019 09:16:14 pm
      Do you mean when Oxlade was out for the season with a serious injury hence looking to first bring in Fekir and then Shaqiri. Oxlade back now

      Barcelona and Madrid raid the Portuguese League regularly - if this guys stats stand up as a record that shows he can mix it with the best in Europe and not just Portugal and Europa League - why wouldn’t they be looking at a player in a position they would certainly benefit from ?

      I have no doubt he is a player that will flourish in a less frantic physical league where he gets time on the ball and space but from what I have seen he wouldn’t work out in the Prem - doesn’t make him a bad player


      Klopp doesn’t mess around with signings anymore - he makes it known early he wants the player - interviews with both VVD and Keita will tell you that. So I’m confident to say that if Klopp wanted another attacking mid and likes Fernandes then there isn’t much standing in the way.

      Haha I'll try to say this nicely but the quality of your arguments is questionable to say the least. Players hardly perform to the same standards at international stage as they do for their clubs - so judging a player based largely on that leads you nowhere. Then it goes to "if he's so good, then why haven't Barcelona or Madrid signed him?" kind of argument. This is clutching at straws. There are many potential reasons why two particular clubs are not buying a particular player and that has really no bearing on how good he is or isn't. Then of course by having watched him a couple of times you're "pretty sure" that he isn't good enough and have "no doubt" that he'll flourish in a different league. A bunch of clichés thrown there just to make up for the fact that you have *barely* watched him. It's ok not to pass an opinion, you know.
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      Reply #76: Jul 07, 2019 09:18:05 pm
      He didn’t speak about Mo, Mane, Virgil or Keita from what I remember. The talk was we were signing Gotze, there was no mention about Mane other than being a potential alternative.

      He did - he spoke about them all when they were in the process of signing them , indeed his speaking of VVD was part of the reason why it fell apart. Goetze was nothing but “media” talk prob the same with this but Mane was spoken about by the “respected” sources. Goetze was nothing but lazy 2+2 = 5

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      When are some people going to realise we didn’t sign shaqiri as an alternative, he’s a completely different player to Fekir! There was talk of Shaqiri signing when we were after Fekir!

      You don’t rate the player, fine. End of, doesn’t change the fact you know jack though, just like the rest of us.

      Sorry but if Fekir did arrive then Shaqiri wouldn’t have - simple as that, you can think other alternative theories but once the Fekir deal fell through the manager looked a different option and adjust his thinking and indeed his tactics
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      Reply #77: Jul 07, 2019 09:22:37 pm
      Haha I'll try to say this nicely but the quality of your arguments is questionable to say the least. Players hardly perform to the same standards at international stage as they do for their clubs - so judging a player based largely on that leads you nowhere. Then it goes to "if he's so good, then why haven't Barcelona or Madrid signed him?" kind of argument. This is clutching at straws. There are many potential reasons why two particular clubs are not buying a particular player and that has really no bearing on how good he is or isn't. Then of course by having watched him a couple of times you're "pretty sure" that he isn't good enough and have "no doubt" that he'll flourish in a different league. A bunch of clichés thrown there just to make up for the fact that you have *barely* watched him. It's ok not to pass an opinion, you know.

      How did he do in the Europa League playing for his club against Arsenal ? I guess you seem to have ignored that fact ?

      Am I ok to judge him on those two games as well ? Or will that be dismissed because “it’s just Europa”

      So tell me when someone is allowed to pass judgment and an opinion on a player then ? Is there a certain number ? A particular competition? Opposition?

      I’m not sure what this “it’s ok not to pass an opinion” business is ? Are you suggesting that because my opinion of the player is negative then it’s best not said ?

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      Re: Bruno Fernandes (Sporting Lisbon)
      Reply #78: Jul 08, 2019 05:19:30 am
      A good player is a good player nomatter which league he comes from.
      The argument that "oh he has done so well is because it's a weaker league" is just silly.

      Nothing to do with Bruno, but seen it being thrown around alot and it's total bull.
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      Reply #79: Jul 08, 2019 06:37:24 am
      He did play as the left sided attacker last season in a fair share of games. He is primarily a SS or can play false-9 too. Apparently, he was our initial target before Fekir and Sporting's instability last year made us reevaluate our options.
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      Reply #80: Jul 08, 2019 07:57:35 am
      He did play as the left sided attacker last season in a fair share of games. He is primarily a SS or can play false-9 too. Apparently, he was our initial target before Fekir and Sporting's instability last year made us reevaluate our options.

      SS ? Are we talking a shadow striker like in football manager ? Not sure about that to be honest.
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      Reply #81: Jul 08, 2019 07:58:22 am
      A good player is a good player nomatter which league he comes from.
      The argument that "oh he has done so well is because it's a weaker league" is just silly.

      Nothing to do with Bruno, but seen it being thrown around alot and it's total bull.

      When i have seen him in the cl and europa league he has been average at best
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      Reply #82: Jul 08, 2019 09:05:19 am
      A good player is a good player nomatter which league he comes from.
      The argument that "oh he has done so well is because it's a weaker league" is just silly.

      Nothing to do with Bruno, but seen it being thrown around alot and it's total bull.

      I would strongly disagree with this mate.

      Some players can be made like world beaters in leagues that just don’t have the quality to stop them.

      You’ll see top scorers for teams in lower leagues or leagues abroad try their luck in England and fail miserably time after time after time.

      It’s a scouts job to factor in things like quality of opposition and also room for improvement.

      While I do get you say about them still being a good player in one league they’ll be a good player in another, it doesn’t really matter if the players in the other league are better than good player standard.
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      Re: Bruno Fernandes (Sporting Lisbon)
      Reply #83: Jul 08, 2019 10:28:59 am
      How did he do in the Europa League playing for his club against Arsenal ? I guess you seem to have ignored that fact ?

      Am I ok to judge him on those two games as well ? Or will that be dismissed because “it’s just Europa”

      So tell me when someone is allowed to pass judgment and an opinion on a player then ? Is there a certain number ? A particular competition? Opposition?

      I’m not sure what this “it’s ok not to pass an opinion” business is ? Are you suggesting that because my opinion of the player is negative then it’s best not said ?



      I have not ignored his games vs Arsenal, I was also in the stadium when that was played in Alvalade. Sadly I have no magic number to give you, but that's surely more than 2 club games. Especially if you're going to dismiss nearly 50 direct goal involvements in a single season for a midfielder as "decent stats" only to then blurb out total certainties about his future based on two games against vastly superior opposition. If you can't see the flaw in that then I'll let you for your own ramblings.

      Btw, I'm not against any negative opinions of the player nor suggesting anything, what I hope I am clearly stating is that if you're going to accuse others of overhyping a player due to "football console game" then give us a sure assessment of his quality and his future it should be done based on more than a handful of games and a bunch of clichés.
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      Re: Bruno Fernandes (Sporting Lisbon)
      Reply #84: Jul 08, 2019 01:03:05 pm
      I have not ignored his games vs Arsenal, I was also in the stadium when that was played in Alvalade. Sadly I have no magic number to give you, but that's surely more than 2 club games. Especially if you're going to dismiss nearly 50 direct goal involvements in a single season for a midfielder as "decent stats" only to then blurb out total certainties about his future based on two games against vastly superior opposition. If you can't see the flaw in that then I'll let you for your own ramblings.

      It’s just stats at the end of day - some shocking signings have been made by many a club when a player has “great stats” - have to take the opposition into consideration and regardless of what people say the Portuguese League is one of the weakest leagues in Europe and there are no doubt plenty players who don’t do well in the Prem could shine in Portugal

      He was anonymous against an opponent which is a step up from his league , same again when playing for his country

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      Btw, I'm not against any negative opinions of the player nor suggesting anything, what I hope I am clearly stating is that if you're going to accuse others of overhyping a player due to "football console game" then give us a sure assessment of his quality and his future it should be done based on more than a handful of games and a bunch of clichés.

      I didn’t point any fingers at anyone in particular and of you want to take my comment on a personal level then that’s your choice but for me imo people will rate a player from how well they look stat wise and how they play on a simulator - because a good number of the players just like Fernandes are playing in leagues that aren’t televised in the UK so 99/100 don’t watch him or other stuff play
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      Re: Bruno Fernandes (Sporting Lisbon)
      Reply #85: Jul 08, 2019 03:04:30 pm
      It’s just stats at the end of day - some shocking signings have been made by many a club when a player has “great stats” - have to take the opposition into consideration and regardless of what people say the Portuguese League is one of the weakest leagues in Europe and there are no doubt plenty players who don’t do well in the Prem could shine in Portugal

      He was anonymous against an opponent which is a step up from his league , same again when playing for his country

      I didn’t point any fingers at anyone in particular and of you want to take my comment on a personal level then that’s your choice but for me imo people will rate a player from how well they look stat wise and how they play on a simulator - because a good number of the players just like Fernandes are playing in leagues that aren’t televised in the UK so 99/100 don’t watch him or other stuff play

      That still doesn't make them just decent. It was a historic season for a midfielder, you'd have to go back decades to find a similar one, even in Portugal. I'm not arguing that those numbers will necessarily translate in a different league, but they're by definition standout stats in every possible way you look at them, and even players that have left Portugal for greater success in other leagues never had similar stats whilst in the league. That you don't rate him does not change this fact. The Portuguese league is quite boring and definitely not great, but it's not one of the weakest in Europe, 2018-19 UEFA season coefficients have it even above France.

      I think there are significant mitigating circumstances for a player in a team seriously struggling (for a large portion of the season Sporting were 4th behind Braga) playing against a fairly superior team or performing as a relatively new international. If I were to judge Gerrard or Lampard as England players in a said World Cup, I'd probably not be overly impressed either.

      At the end of the day there's no science to which player adapts and which doesn't, as much as people like to have certainties. If Bruno Fernandes signed for a boring Man Utd he'd most likely not score half the goals he currently does, but if he played for a Man City with freedom to attack he might as well keep up a similar pace. Raul Jimenez was a bench warmer that struggled to impress in the "terrible" Portuguese league and went on to become a regular starter at the Premier League 7th place because he moved to a team that suited his style. Imagine signing a Portuguese league flop and having him become a success in England - that doesn't fit the narrative but it can happen.

      I didn’t point any fingers at anyone in particular and of you want to take my comment on a personal level then that’s your choice but for me imo people will rate a player from how well they look stat wise and how they play on a simulator - because a good number of the players just like Fernandes are playing in leagues that aren’t televised in the UK so 99/100 don’t watch him or other stuff play

      I did not take it personally, honestly I just found it arrogant. To be fair, being quick in judging a player can work both ways. A lot of people that are keen on signing him keep saying he "can play as a striker" or "false 9" or whatever (I've seen that elsewhere, not just in this forum), though I don't think he has ever played as a striker in his life. I was told on Facebook that "he's not a central midfielder", which is funny because he played most of his season as one. It's easy to get the impression that people are just going by the numbers of a standout season that might as well be a point completely out of the curve, and creating whatever narrative they like best.

      Personally one of the of the reasons I like Bruno Fernandes isn't just because of his goalscoring, and I don't see him as an alternative to Firmino upfront - I actually love his work-rate, his defensive contribution and how much ground he covers.
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      Re: Bruno Fernandes (Sporting Lisbon)
      Reply #86: Jul 08, 2019 03:13:50 pm
      I would strongly disagree with this mate.

      Some players can be made like world beaters in leagues that just don’t have the quality to stop them.

      You’ll see top scorers for teams in lower leagues or leagues abroad try their luck in England and fail miserably time after time after time.

      It’s a scouts job to factor in things like quality of opposition and also room for improvement.

      While I do get you say about them still being a good player in one league they’ll be a good player in another, it doesn’t really matter if the players in the other league are better than good player standard.

      I totally agree with that scouts have to factor in  leagues and so on.
      what I define as a good player, is a player who continue to do well no matter where or in which league. Then he will continue to do so.

      There are up and downs but a good player will stick out. There are plenty of players whom have come from weaker leagues and done well, then there are players who stay in the league but change clubs and struggle.

      There is always going to be a risk signing a player nomatter whom or from where. Just saying that a weaker league is not a definite answer and therefore should not be thrown around as a argument.
      We Liverpool fans should know better.
      We signed mo from serie a, and I swear if you go to his transfer thread then it was the same argument being thrown around for not signing him.
      There are so many factors in what a good player is, and league one, is not so huge as some people here tend to believe. I dare say that the scouts think as I do because we have signed  as many player from weaker leagues as from other clubs in England.
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      Re: Bruno Fernandes (Sporting Lisbon)
      Reply #87: Jul 08, 2019 06:54:43 pm
      I totally agree with that scouts have to factor in  leagues and so on.
      what I define as a good player, is a player who continue to do well no matter where or in which league. Then he will continue to do so.

      There are up and downs but a good player will stick out. There are plenty of players whom have come from weaker leagues and done well, then there are players who stay in the league but change clubs and struggle.

      There is always going to be a risk signing a player nomatter whom or from where. Just saying that a weaker league is not a definite answer and therefore should not be thrown around as a argument.
      We Liverpool fans should know better.
      We signed mo from serie a, and I swear if you go to his transfer thread then it was the same argument being thrown around for not signing him.
      There are so many factors in what a good player is, and league one, is not so huge as some people here tend to believe. I dare say that the scouts think as I do because we have signed  as many player from weaker leagues as from other clubs in England.


      It's a close one. For every Salah there's an Aquilani. Wouldn't want to be a scout myself!

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