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      Re: Bruno Fernandes (Sporting Lisbon)
      Reply #50: Jul 07, 2019 04:52:32 pm
      Let’s be honest - he is available and if Klopp wanted him he would be a Liverpool player now , he isn’t going to be a Liverpool player and watching him in the Euro Nations things we aren’t going to be missing much

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      Reply #51: Jul 07, 2019 05:24:42 pm
      Let’s be honest - he is available and if Klopp wanted him he would be a Liverpool player now , he isn’t going to be a Liverpool player and watching him in the Euro Nations things we aren’t going to be missing much



      If Klopp isn't interested it sure as hell isn't because of a couple of international games
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      Re: Bruno Fernandes (Sporting Lisbon)
      Reply #52: Jul 07, 2019 06:40:23 pm
      Let’s be honest - he is available and if Klopp wanted him he would be a Liverpool player now , he isn’t going to be a Liverpool player and watching him in the Euro Nations things we aren’t going to be missing much



      Nonsense. Given how some of our lads have performed on international duty over the years, that would be a ridiculous thing to base it on.

      Shaqiri was available and we hadn’t signed him yet a year ago and he had a release clause. Klopp wanted Keita and it took us a year to get him and then 6 months to get Virgil!
      There is such a thing as negotiating that takes place, not every transfer is smooth sailing.
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      Reply #53: Jul 07, 2019 07:06:10 pm
      Nonsense. Given how some of our lads have performed on international duty over the years, that would be a ridiculous thing to base it on.

      Shaqiri was available and we hadn’t signed him yet a year ago and he had a release clause. Klopp wanted Keita and it took us a year to get him and then 6 months to get Virgil!
      There is such a thing as negotiating that takes place, not every transfer is smooth sailing.

      Fernandes is not going to be a Liverpool player - I suspect he is just another overhyped player that people have only seen stats of from a sports console game.

      Keita was signed and bids were submitted ,VVD had terms agreed with - the length of time it took to get them has no relevance to pure speculation about Fernandes because let’s be honest that’s all it is - pure speculation derived from pretend ITK accounts on twitter.

      Anyone just needs to look at the squad and see that we won’t be signing a midfielder unless one leaves and right now no one is leaving, so why does anyone think we would be actually signing these Fernandes?
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      Reply #54: Jul 07, 2019 07:07:20 pm
      If Klopp isn't interested it sure as hell isn't because of a couple of international games

      And I have no doubt that Klopp hasn’t given him one single thought.
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      Reply #55: Jul 07, 2019 07:53:51 pm
      Fernandes is not going to be a Liverpool player - I suspect he is just another overhyped player that people have only seen stats of from a sports console game.

      Keita was signed and bids were submitted ,VVD had terms agreed with - the length of time it took to get them has no relevance to pure speculation about Fernandes because let’s be honest that’s all it is - pure speculation derived from pretend ITK accounts on twitter.

      Anyone just needs to look at the squad and see that we won’t be signing a midfielder unless one leaves and right now no one is leaving, so why does anyone think we would be actually signing these Fernandes?

      That's your opinion, but like the rest of us you haven't got a clue.
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      Reply #56: Jul 07, 2019 07:57:59 pm
      And I have no doubt that Klopp hasn’t given him one single thought.

      Haha. Yeah, because you would know.

      I suspect he is just another overhyped player that people have only seen stats of from a sports console game.

      And I suspect your dislike of the player is based on nothing at all but a desire to pass on an opinion. I know the feeling, but if you don't have anything useful to say, you can always *not* post! An incredible idea, I know, but give it a thought.
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      Reply #57: Jul 07, 2019 07:59:34 pm
      And I suspect your dislike of the player is based on nothing at all but a desire to pass on an opinion.

      That and he's seen him play a couple of games for Portugal and that's it by the looks of it. Clearly unaware of the season the player has just had.
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      Reply #58: Jul 07, 2019 08:11:58 pm
      That's your opinion, but like the rest of us you haven't got a clue.

      How many players since Klopp has arrived have we signed that have been posted by these “ITK” on twitter

      The only players that arrived the first we heard many times was when solid bids where confirmed

      And how many of the “rumoured” fron twitter or any other social media source have we signed - none

      Times have changed over the last couple of years and the “media” now are just shooting fish in a barrel , 2+2 = 5 etc etc etc

      We do our business properly now - Fabinho signed and sealed before anyone said a word , Allison done and dusted when we were linked to every keeper going etc etc
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      Reply #59: Jul 07, 2019 08:18:11 pm
      Haha. Yeah, because you would know.

      And I suspect your dislike of the player is based on nothing at all but a desire to pass on an opinion. I know the feeling, but if you don't have anything useful to say, you can always *not* post! An incredible idea, I know, but give it a thought.

      Dislike of the player ? Sorry but where did I say I “dislike” the player - seen him a few times in Internationals , a couple of times in the Europa and did not much to stand out , and decent stats in a poor Portuguese League doesn’t make the player a stand out that’s worthy of the heavy price tag

      My point is simply this is nothing but baseless rumours

      He was supposed to be flying to the UK to see this team and that team - guess where he was - flying to Switzerland with Sporting

      He is just another name of endless players that have been “linked” to us based on nothing.

      I guess you maybe are Portuguese and like the player but I’m pretty sure that he just isn’t at the level we need and certainly not someone the manager is going to spend money on when we have a full midfield already
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      Re: Bruno Fernandes (Sporting Lisbon)
      Reply #60: Jul 07, 2019 08:22:12 pm
      Dislike of the player ? Sorry but where did I say I “dislike” the player

      I’m pretty sure that he just isn’t at the level we need

      Uh, ok.
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      Reply #61: Jul 07, 2019 08:25:40 pm
      That and he's seen him play a couple of games for Portugal and that's it by the looks of it. Clearly unaware of the season the player has just had.

      Everyone has seen the stats - but it’s stats from a poor Portuguese League and a league that the UK don’t see because it’s not great.

      He was also in europa league against a poor Arsenal team and did nothing

      Shall we go and get that Morega guy who is superb in the Portuguese League but couldn’t hit a barn door against us
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      Reply #62: Jul 07, 2019 08:26:22 pm

      Confused ? So if someone doesn’t rate a player that means they have a “dislike” of the player ?
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      Reply #63: Jul 07, 2019 08:29:23 pm
      Everyone has seen the stats - but it’s stats from a poor Portuguese League and a league that the UK don’t see because it’s not great.

      He was also in europa league against a poor Arsenal team and did nothing

      Shall we go and get that Morega guy who is superb in the Portuguese League but couldn’t hit a barn door against us

      Portuguese league that has produced many players to go on and become top players in other countries, even the Premier League believe it or not.
      Joao Felix done nothing for Portugal a few weeks ago and now he’s moved for £113mill.

      Trouble with people some people is they have such little knowledge of some of the quality there actually is in leagues like Portugal and tarnish it with past mistakes like Markovic. You are one of them people.


      How many players since Klopp has arrived have we signed that have been posted by these “ITK” on twitter

      The only players that arrived the first we heard many times was when solid bids where confirmed

      And how many of the “rumoured” fron twitter or any other social media source have we signed - none

      Times have changed over the last couple of years and the “media” now are just shooting fish in a barrel , 2+2 = 5 etc etc etc

      We do our business properly now - Fabinho signed and sealed before anyone said a word , Allison done and dusted when we were linked to every keeper going etc etc

      Funny how you probably didn’t take this approach when “ITKs” were saying we were getting Keita, Van dijk and Shaqiri. Believe it or not, transfer rumours have been around long before twitter.
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      Reply #64: Jul 07, 2019 08:34:00 pm
      Confused ? So if someone doesn’t rate a player that means they have a “dislike” of the player ?

      Well, apparently it does for some (more hate than dislike!) on this forum, just look at the Hendo thread.
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      Reply #65: Jul 07, 2019 08:37:59 pm
      Confused ? So if someone doesn’t rate a player that means they have a “dislike” of the player ?

      I meant dislike not in the sense of you not liking the player's personality or whatever. Just not liking him, or rating him, as a player.

      But anyway, I find it funny that you, on the base of a couple of games, can say with such certainty that he isn't good enough whilst accusing others of "overhyping" him because of a "sports console game". Ok, then.

      By the way - the Portuguese league might be poor, but 31 goals from midfield (all competitions) are hardly just "decent" stats. Add some 15+ assists to that as well, if I recall correctly.

      And the rumours might be entirely baseless, and you may point out to the numbers we have in the position, but I do recall Klopp nearly signing a midfielder last season when all of those players were already at the club as well.
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      Reply #66: Jul 07, 2019 08:42:22 pm
      Portuguese league that has produced many players to go on and become top players in other countries, even the Premier League believe it or not.
      Joao Felix done nothing for Portugal a few weeks ago and now he’s moved for £113mill.

      Trouble with people some people is they have such little knowledge of some of the quality there actually is in leagues like Portugal and tarnish it with past mistakes like Markovic. You are one of them people.

      Am I ? Wow that’s quite a judgement to make based on me not rating a player

      My “rating” of the Portuguese has nothing to do with Markovic just to clear that little misunderstanding for you

      And I See Madrid being completely mental spending that amount of money of Felix but that’s just my opinion , than again it seems I have “such little knowledge”  :roll:

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      Funny how you probably didn’t take this approach when “ITKs” were saying we were getting Keita, Van dijk and Shaqiri. Believe it or not, transfer rumours have been around long before twitter.

      I can say with pretty sure certainty that any “ITK” that posted about the players you mentioned where already a day late and a bid had already been made of contact made and a “reliable” source from the local area was already talking about

      99.9% of the “ITK” haven’t got a clue
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      Reply #67: Jul 07, 2019 08:48:50 pm
      Am I ? Wow that’s quite a judgement to make based on me not rating a player

      My “rating” of the Portuguese has nothing to do with Markovic just to clear that little misunderstanding for you

      And I See Madrid being completely mental spending that amount of money of Felix but that’s just my opinion , than again it seems I have “such little knowledge”  :roll:

      I can say with pretty sure certainty that any “ITK” that posted about the players you mentioned where already a day late and a bid had already been made of contact made and a “reliable” source from the local area was already talking about

      99.9% of the “ITK” haven’t got a clue

      Well you are happy to make judgments on players you’ve seen very little of and judgments on who Klopp will and will not have been looking at so don’t take it personally that it’s then done about you.

      There was an 18yr old diver and show pony from the Portuguese league that was signed for fairly big money (at the time for that age), might have heard of him; Cristiano Ronaldo, he certainly had no problem upping his game.
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      Reply #68: Jul 07, 2019 08:50:32 pm
      I meant dislike not in the sense of you not liking the player's personality or whatever. Just not liking him, or rating him, as a player.

      But anyway, I find it funny that you, on the base of a couple of games, can say with such certainty that he isn't good enough whilst accusing others of "overhyping" him because of a "sports console game". Ok, then.

      By the way - the Portuguese league might be poor, but 31 goals from midfield (all competitions) are hardly just "decent" stats. Add some 15+ assists to that as well, if I recall correctly.

      And the rumours might be entirely baseless, and you may point out to the numbers we have in the position, but I do recall Klopp nearly signing a midfielder last season when all of those players were already at the club as well.

      Do you mean when Oxlade was out for the season with a serious injury hence looking to first bring in Fekir and then Shaqiri. Oxlade back now

      Barcelona and Madrid raid the Portuguese League regularly - if this guys stats stand up as a record that shows he can mix it with the best in Europe and not just Portugal and Europa League - why wouldn’t they be looking at a player in a position they would certainly benefit from ?

      I have no doubt he is a player that will flourish in a less frantic physical league where he gets time on the ball and space but from what I have seen he wouldn’t work out in the Prem - doesn’t make him a bad player


      Klopp doesn’t mess around with signings anymore - he makes it known early he wants the player - interviews with both VVD and Keita will tell you that. So I’m confident to say that if Klopp wanted another attacking mid and likes Fernandes then there isn’t much standing in the way.
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      Reply #69: Jul 07, 2019 08:55:17 pm
      Well you are happy to make judgments on players you’ve seen very little of and judgments on who Klopp will and will not have been looking at so don’t take it personally that it’s then done about you.

      How else will people make judgements on a player ? When they watch them surely ? International stage , Europa League stage. Was it the World Cup where he started first game subbed early and dropped for the next couple of games.

      I gave an opinion , you called it nonsense and then suggested I have little knowledge. All because I believe we won’t be signing Fernandes  :roll:

      And yep Ronaldo did well - how about Quesrma ? - there are successes and failures wherever you look
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      Reply #70: Jul 07, 2019 08:56:15 pm

      Barcelona and Madrid raid the Portuguese League regularly - if this guys stats stand up as a record that shows he can mix it with the best in Europe and not just Portugal and Europa League - why wouldn’t they be looking at a player in a position they would certainly benefit from ?


      Well what does that tell you about the league then if they keep raiding it?!
      Barca have their sights on Griezemann - who by the way is available but yet there is no concrete offer for him...wonder if they have any fans viewing that like you are Fernandes...

      Madrid had Hazard as their main target and then spent another 150mill, they can't spend anymore now.

      Your point is so pointless it’s like saying well Virgil can’t be that good or people would be trying to sign him. Every team has different needs and targets. Barca and Madrid May well like Fernandes but if he doesn’t fit the mould then they won’t sign him, no different to us choosing to wait and sign virgil over signing anyone else.

      Madrid signed Militao, a player that was part of the team we thumped. Guess that makes him sh*t because he didn’t have a good game? Using your logic of Fernandes in one World Cup game.

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      Reply #71: Jul 07, 2019 09:02:40 pm
      Well what does that tell you about the league then if they keep raiding it?!
      Barca have their sights on Griezemann - who by the way is available but yet there is no concrete offer for him...wonder if they have any fans viewing that like you are Fernandes...

      Madrid had Hazard as their main target and then spent another 150mill, they can't spend anymore now.

      Your point is so pointless it’s like saying well Virgil can’t be that good or people would be trying to sign him. Every team has different needs and targets. Barca and Madrid May well like Fernandes but if he doesn’t fit the mould then they won’t sign him, no different to us choosing to wait and sign virgil over signing anyone else.

      They raid it because it’s easy for them to sign players from it - the transition across is nice and easy.

      Christ we all know that when the release clause for Greizmann drops to 110 then Barce will act ( believe they already have and Atletico have reacted back )


      We all know that every club in the world would want VVD - so the comparisons is irrelevant

      My point was quite simple - if Klopp wanted him then he would have been signed - simple as that , 4 weeks plus of “rumours” tell the story clearly


      Blimey have to keep editing as you keep adding stuff

      I thought Militeo played very well against us and you clearly see he was a stand out player

      And so it’s now a couple of Euro Nation games , couple of Europa League game , World Cup game -  is there a certain amount of games that one must watch before they are allowed to judge a player ?
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      Reply #72: Jul 07, 2019 09:03:56 pm
      They raid it because it’s easy for them to sign players from it - the transition across is nice and easy.

      Christ we all know that when the release clause for Greizmann drops to 110 then Barce will act ( believe they already have and Atletico have reacted back )


      We all know that every club in the world would want VVD - so the comparisons is irrelevant

      My point was quite simple - if Klopp wanted him then he would have been signed - simple as that , 4 weeks plus of “rumours” tell the story clearly


      You make the point about how many players do we actually sign that are spoken about in rumours...well the same rule applies, you can’t dismiss we won’t sign a player because with a Klopp we never know. He said we weren’t signing Ox but we did.

      Also like I said, a year ago we hadn’t signed Shaqiri at this stage so your point about if we wanted Fernandes then he’d be here now is irrelevant because unless you are part of the transfer team, then like us; you know jack sh*t. Which actually, I expect to see you dismissing talk of any player we are linked with now because you know, they’d be here already if it was true.
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      Reply #73: Jul 07, 2019 09:09:04 pm
      You make the point about how many players do we actually sign that are spoken about in rumours...well the same rule applies, you can’t dismiss we won’t sign a player because with a Klopp we never know. He said we weren’t signing Ox but we did.

      What has he said about Fernandes ? Yep he spoke about - Mo , VVD , Ox , Mane , Kieta - guess what we did with those , signed them

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      Also like I said, a year ago we hadn’t signed Shaqiri at this stage so your point about if we wanted Fernandes then he’d be here now is irrelevant because unless you are part of the transfer team, then like us; you know jack sh*t.

      We didn’t sign Shaqiri because we were looking to sign Fekir and nearly signing him.
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      Reply #74: Jul 07, 2019 09:11:05 pm
      What has he said about Fernandes ? Yep he spoke about - Mo , VVD , Ox , Mane , Kieta - guess what we did with those , signed them

      We didn’t sign Shaqiri because we were looking to sign Fekir and nearly signing him.

      He didn’t speak about Mo, Mane, Virgil or Keita from what I remember. The talk was we were signing Gotze, there was no mention about Mane other than being a potential alternative.

      When are some people going to realise we didn’t sign shaqiri as an alternative, he’s a completely different player to Fekir! There was talk of Shaqiri signing when we were after Fekir!

      You don’t rate the player, fine. End of, doesn’t change the fact you know jack though, just like the rest of us.

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