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      Phillipe Coutinho (Barcelona)

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      Keith Singleton
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      Reply #125: Jun 01, 2021 10:23:49 am
      I think it all depends on the player, and what team they left you for.
      For examplet, if i was a united fan then i would never take tevez back but i would have let Ronaldo come back for a season or two.

      For us, i wouldnt take sterling back but id take coutinho and suarez back. They are south American and they dream of playing for barca or real. Thats if JK want them, im just saying that i wouldn't have anything against it.

       I know cou and suarez didnt leave peacefully and made a fuss but everybody makes a mistake in real life. If jk see potential in signing cou back then why not? No point in holding a grudge.

      Most of the players nowdays in modern day football are just mercenaries. Doesnt mean they dont respect the club or the fans but we as fans maybe over play it a bit when they kiss their badges after they score a goal.  Unpopular opinion i know but thats how i how see it.

      Quite a good balanced post Billo and not rant and raging like bully boy does when a manc questions loyalties. I'm in total agreement, as a fan I would never have Tevez back. I put Suarez & Coutinho in that same bracket though.

      I get the South American bit but at the end of the day they sh*t on your badge and fans, not forgetting the animal making KK look like a Cnut for supporting him.
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      Reply #126: Jun 01, 2021 10:25:27 am
      Spot on Ian.
      There is some chat in Spanish media about Barca proposing a return to LFC for Coutinho in lieu of fees owed from his 2018 transfer.

      F**k sake don't be telling him he was right, we will never hear the last of it.  ;D
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      Reply #127: Jun 01, 2021 10:29:03 am
      F**k sake don't be telling him he was right, we will never hear the last of it.  ;D

      Me Aussie mate is always right, even when he’s pissed/stoned and I’m pissed/stoned.
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      Reply #128: Jun 01, 2021 10:34:15 am
      Me Aussie mate is always right, even when he’s pissed/stoned and I’m pissed/stoned.


      I'm going to have to join this club. Aussie red send me some of that  :cool-smiley-027: over  :D
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      Reply #129: Jun 01, 2021 11:03:21 am
      To be fair, I think we have enough players who are 28+.

      If we’re going to invest decent money, it should be on younger players now.

      We have a nice blend of senior (Salah, Mane, Firmino, Thiago, Henderson, VVD, etc) and younger (Jota, TAA, Konate, Jones, etc)

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      Reply #130: Jun 01, 2021 11:20:12 am
      To be fair, I think we have enough players who are 28+.

      If we’re going to invest decent money, it should be on younger players now.

      We have a nice blend of senior (Salah, Mane, Firmino, Thiago, Henderson, VVD, etc) and younger (Jota, TAA, Konate, Jones, etc)


      From a purely financial aspect Coutinho's return makes sense - Barca are notorious mingebags and the fact that we are still owed £50m from a 2018 deal whatever the contractual details, bears the premise out.
      If we got 5 years out of him at a moderate wage ceiling and he could recapture that old magic it would certainly be a good deal.

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      Reply #131: Jun 01, 2021 11:22:26 am
      To be fair, I think we have enough players who are 28+.

      If we’re going to invest decent money, it should be on younger players now.

      We have a nice blend of senior (Salah, Mane, Firmino, Thiago, Henderson, VVD, etc) and younger (Jota, TAA, Konate, Jones, etc)

      Agree 100%
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      Reply #132: Jun 01, 2021 11:31:56 am
      From a purely financial aspect Coutinho's return makes sense - Barca are notorious mingebags and the fact that we are still owed £50m from a 2018 deal whatever the contractual details, bears the premise out.
      If we got 5 years out of him at a moderate wage ceiling and he could recapture that old magic it would certainly be a good deal.



      We’re not owed 50m.

      We have been paid in full but it’s easy clickbait every transfer window.
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      Reply #133: Jun 01, 2021 11:32:20 am
      From a purely financial aspect Coutinho's return makes sense - Barca are notorious mingebags and the fact that we are still owed £50m from a 2018 deal whatever the contractual details, bears the premise out.
      If we got 5 years out of him at a moderate wage ceiling and he could recapture that old magic it would certainly be a good deal.


      We aren’t owed the money anymore


      As mentioned by others the debt was sold to a third party who provided us the funds


      Barcelona still need to pay the money so ultimately we would have to pay money for him


      This is also a player who did everything he could to leave the club - he disrespected the manager , the club and his teammates

      Why would anyone entertain him coming back - regardless of how poor he has been over the past 4 years.
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      Reply #134: Jun 01, 2021 11:33:16 am
      From a purely financial aspect Coutinho's return makes sense - Barca are notorious mingebags and the fact that we are still owed £50m from a 2018 deal whatever the contractual details, bears the premise out.
      If we got 5 years out of him at a moderate wage ceiling and he could recapture that old magic it would certainly be a good deal.



      50 million? I've heard 25 and 30 also. What requirements didn't he meet in order to still owe the club money  mate?
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      Reply #135: Jun 01, 2021 12:27:19 pm
      50 million? I've heard 25 and 30 also. What requirements didn't he meet in order to still owe the club money  mate?

      It was a contractual stipulation with £40m of the fee to be paid when he was re-sold to another club.

      https://talksport.com/football/888820/barcelona-philippe-coutinho-return-liverpool-transfer-debt/

      LFC is still owed dosh according to several media sources and contrary to some claims on this forum.
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      Reply #136: Jun 01, 2021 12:37:44 pm
      If theres a deal to made that suits all parties, why not?

      Folk are alway saying we cant ever have enough good players, wee man is still class on his day.
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      Reply #137: Jun 01, 2021 12:50:09 pm
      There are no football or financial reasons for re-signing Philippe Coutinho.

      He is LFC history.

      Whatever some Spanish internet gobshites might say, there is no buyback clause that says if we email Barcelona on a Wednesday afternoon between 3 and 4pm we can get him back for nothing and claim £50m cashback and also get 2 tickets for a free draw to win a giant teddy bear.
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      Reply #138: Jun 01, 2021 12:54:12 pm
      It was a contractual stipulation with £40m of the fee to be paid when he was re-sold to another club.

      https://talksport.com/football/888820/barcelona-philippe-coutinho-return-liverpool-transfer-debt/

      LFC is still owed dosh according to several media sources and contrary to some claims on this forum.

      Wow that's astonishing, the snakes ( owners) hands maybe tired then and end up having him back if Klopp excepts him? Would Klopp get a say in the matter?
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      Reply #139: Jun 01, 2021 12:55:35 pm
      There are no football or financial reasons for re-signing Philippe Coutinho.

      He is LFC history.

      Whatever some Spanish internet gobshites might say, there is no buyback clause that says if we email Barcelona on a Wednesday afternoon between 3 and 4pm we can get him back for nothing and claim £50m cashback and also get 2 tickets for a free draw to win a giant teddy bear.

       :lmao:
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      Reply #140: Jun 01, 2021 12:56:52 pm
      It was a contractual stipulation with £40m of the fee to be paid when he was re-sold to another club.

      https://talksport.com/football/888820/barcelona-philippe-coutinho-return-liverpool-transfer-debt/

      LFC is still owed dosh according to several media sources and contrary to some claims on this forum.


      https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/philippe-coutinho-liverpool-barcelona-19700776.amp



      “ But while the accounts show that the debt to Liverpool remains, the Reds have actually received the cash after selling the debt to a third party financial institution.”
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      Reply #141: Jun 01, 2021 01:02:30 pm

      https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/philippe-coutinho-liverpool-barcelona-19700776.amp



      “ But while the accounts show that the debt to Liverpool remains, the Reds have actually received the cash after selling the debt to a third party financial institution.”

      So many opinions on his contract agreements  :f_doh: So if that's the case does it say how much  Liverpool got from the third party?
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      Reply #142: Jun 01, 2021 01:04:54 pm
      So many opinions on his contract agreements  :f_doh: So if that's the case does it say how much  Liverpool got from the third party?

      Whatever was left over from the fee at the time the debt was sold
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      Reply #143: Jun 01, 2021 01:05:48 pm
      There are no football or financial reasons for re-signing Philippe Coutinho.

      He is LFC history.

      Whatever some Spanish internet gobshites might say, there is no buyback clause that says if we email Barcelona on a Wednesday afternoon between 3 and 4pm we can get him back for nothing and claim £50m cashback and also get 2 tickets for a free draw to win a giant teddy bear.

      How would you rate him against some of the "dead wood" as it is described, being reportedly offloaded ?
      As a last resort the lad could be sold off for a sight more than the remainder of the fee.
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      Reply #144: Jun 01, 2021 01:35:36 pm
      Aye read that somewhere myself. We sold the debt off to some third party company. No idea who.

      What does that mean?

      If he's for free I would take him back. I will use him as impact sub and when Salah and Mane are off, I would play him, Firmino and Jota.
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      Reply #145: Jun 01, 2021 01:48:08 pm
      I would bring him back but on reduced wage for leaving us :)

      In January, I would play like this:

      Coutinho      Firmino        Jota

      This is another reason i can never forget that little c**t. When thundercunt Ramos took down Salah in the CL final, had that little rat been with us you could have moved him to LW and gone Phil-Bobby-Sadio as front 3 and still be very strong. Instead, we had to bring in Lallana as the sub.

      I almost get teary eyed at how karma has done its thing with him at Barcelona and been what appears to be a miserable time for him there and would not want him back. However, if Jürgen says yes and he does come back, i will root for the shirt, not the player.
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      Reply #146: Jun 01, 2021 02:06:28 pm
      What does that mean?

      If he's for free I would take him back. I will use him as impact sub and when Salah and Mane are off, I would play him, Firmino and Jota.

      It means that Barcelona still owe £40mil for him


      We have covered that money off by selling the debt to a finance company who have paid us the money - so the money still needs to be paid , he won’t be free
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      Reply #147: Jun 01, 2021 02:12:30 pm
      What does that mean?

      If he's for free I would take him back. I will use him as impact sub and when Salah and Mane are off, I would play him, Firmino and Jota.

      What does what mean?

      Liverpool got their money. Barcelona owe the rest of the transfer fee to a third party financer that paid us the money.

      No way do I want Phil back. He's past it and I don't want us doing business with that group of rats. Screw them.
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      Reply #148: Jun 01, 2021 03:11:23 pm
      What does what mean?

      Liverpool got their money. Barcelona owe the rest of the transfer fee to a third party financer that paid us the money.

      No way do I want Phil back. He's past it and I don't want us doing business with that group of rats. Screw them.

      I'm on the fence. 

      On the one hand, I'm a spiteful person and I was overjoyed to see him struggle after the way he left.  Knocking him and Suarez out of the CL in that trophy winning season was unbelievable!! 

      On the other hand, I feel like he has paid for his mistake. 

      I would have him back if all of these boxes were ticked:
      - He's willing to publicly apologize for the way he acted and admit that he made a massive mistake
      - Jürgen wants him back and thinks he can help us win more trophies
      - We get the better end of the deal with Barcelona to help make up for those cu*ts poaching Masch and Suarez off us
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      Reply #149: Jun 01, 2021 03:33:31 pm
      I'm on the fence. 

      On the one hand, I'm a spiteful person and I was overjoyed to see him struggle after the way he left.  Knocking him and Suarez out of the CL in that trophy winning season was unbelievable!! 

      On the other hand, I feel like he has paid for his mistake. 

      I would have him back if all of these boxes were ticked:
      - He's willing to publicly apologize for the way he acted and admit that he made a massive mistake
      - Jürgen wants him back and thinks he can help us win more trophies
      - We get the better end of the deal with Barcelona to help make up for those cu*ts poaching Masch and Suarez off us

      I just feel like we can probably do better for the money they'd try to recoup. Unless we got him for peanuts, I don't think it would even be justifiable.

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