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      Phillipe Coutinho (Barcelona)

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      Re: Phillipe Coutinho (Barcelona)
      Reply #175: Nov 24, 2021 12:37:37 pm
      Phil is an odd one for me, as to where I put him in my mental boxes for ex players

      For context ex players for me tend to fall into a couple of  different categories

      One. I really miss them and I always have a bit of a gut churn when I see them play for other teams

      Two. I don’t really care one way or the other about them for whatever reason

      Two easy examples of this are Torres and Suarez
      Torres falls into number one, Suarez into number two.

      There is always various reasons for that, but on those two it’s pretty much like this

      Torres, I never felt when he signed for us we were a stepping stone in his mind, he’d turned other moves down and left his boyhood club to come to us because he felt he could achieve everything here he wanted, I always felt he would leave and probably go back to Atleti once he’d won what he came to win.. but. Unfortunately we weren’t at that level, the off field stuff, the team slowly breaking apart around him, he get he had to go somewhere else to win what he wanted to win, he did that at Chelsea and it always hurt me to see him there because of how he was loved at Anfield and how much he obviously enjoyed it here, it was his second home after Atleti.. you can tell he never enjoyed his time at Chelsea like he did here even if it provided him with the trophies his career wanted

      Also I think the whole club makes me remember his time better, I loved that time in Our history, I loved what Rafa built, the players we watched at the time, the European nights, the feeling of being right there on the edge of being a real team again.

      For Suarez I never felt the same, I always felt he used us as stepping stone, he never saw us as a destination. He’d have gone to Spurs if we hadn’t stepped in.. the Arsenal move he tried to force left such a bitter taste, going on strike to try to force it
      An unbelievable talent, but a c**t of a fella

      Also that 13-14 season, yes great in the moment but built on sand, I never felt as fully invested in that group of players or manager as I did Rafas or Houlliers or even Evo’s.. let alone Kennys of the late 80s or Jurgens now

      At times when I sit back and watch season reviews I’ve never watched back that one

      For Phil though, I guess he goes into the second category, but for other reasons, it’s a shame because he could and should have been part of Jurgens era, but would we be in this current era had Phil not left so we could reinvest his fee into two players who have helped transform us to this level? Because we wouldn’t have them had he not left
      I guess I’m glad he did personally but I bet he regrets it massively, he left when we were right on the edge of greatness and he’s gone on to be just another squad player wherever he’s gone since, he can’t get into what’s the worst Barca team for two decades

      He left us some nice memories but I don’t think about him really anymore, apart from the odd season review when you see performances like his one at Old Toilet in the europa league and the like

      Perfect example of someone who thinks the grass is greener when in fact you’re sitting on the lushest lawn you’ll ever see

      Ultimately he'll be forever the greatest Moneyball signing LFC ever made,
      which allowed the team to be strenghtened elsewhere.

      Loved having Coutinho at the club, but wouldn't swap Virgil and Alisson for anything.
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      Re: Phillipe Coutinho (Barcelona)
      Reply #176: Nov 24, 2021 12:57:03 pm
      We improved as a team after he left.


      Brought in two players to turn the team from close to winners


      We also didn’t drop as an attacking unit losing him

      He was a good player - it’s still amazing that Barcelona paid so much for him

      But like Torres , Suarez and Mascherano amongst others - they were desperate to jump ship so wouldn’t welcome any of them back
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      Re: Phillipe Coutinho (Barcelona)
      Reply #177: Nov 24, 2021 01:44:17 pm
      We improved as a team after he left.


      Brought in two players to turn the team from close to winners


      We also didn’t drop as an attacking unit losing him

      He was a good player - it’s still amazing that Barcelona paid so much for him

      But like Torres , Suarez and Mascherano amongst others - they were desperate to jump ship so wouldn’t welcome any of them back

      Torres was lied to, he wouldn’t have gone if we’d have shown some ambition.  I’d have had him back in a heartbeat.
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      Re: Phillipe Coutinho (Barcelona)
      Reply #178: Nov 24, 2021 02:21:17 pm
      Torres was lied to, he wouldn’t have gone if we’d have shown some ambition.  I’d have had him back in a heartbeat.

      By Hicks and Gillette

      New owners came in and he didn’t want to wait and be a part of any build so transfer request in


      In the end it wasn’t a bad move for us because as a player he was gone after his knee issue and was never the same player again
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      Re: Phillipe Coutinho (Barcelona)
      Reply #179: Nov 24, 2021 02:27:29 pm
      By Hicks and Gillette

      New owners came in and he didn’t want to wait and be a part of any build so transfer request in


      By all accounts they were saying the same things and Torres didn’t think he had the time to see if these weren’t lying like the last lot

      Even with retrospect he didn’t have the time it’s taken under FSGs way anyway
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      Re: Phillipe Coutinho (Barcelona)
      Reply #180: Nov 24, 2021 02:47:15 pm
      we had Phil's best years as a player and did well out of him financially. We move forward these days not even a cheap loan deal would interest me
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      Re: Phillipe Coutinho (Barcelona)
      Reply #181: Nov 24, 2021 02:51:17 pm
      By all accounts they were saying the same things and Torres didn’t think he had the time to see if these weren’t lying like the last lot

      Even with retrospect he didn’t have the time it’s taken under FSGs way anyway


      I believe there was talks with Purslow around the selling and then when Comolli arrived there were talks and then with Dalglish - it was going to take time.  The cowboys ripped the team apart - there was no quick fix , they were looking to get Suarez in to play with him but he wanted trophies
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      Re: Phillipe Coutinho (Barcelona)
      Reply #182: Nov 24, 2021 04:14:21 pm
      Didn’t we stall to the very last minute on the Suarez deal unless Chelsea paid the £50 million fee upfront to fund Carroll & Suarez..?

      I would have kept Torres over Carroll....

      Anyway.... Phil, bit of a sh*t move he pulled, Edwards shafted Barca, we got Ali & Virgil, I’m happy with that..

      Would I take Phil back right now...? Never.
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      Re: Phillipe Coutinho (Barcelona)
      Reply #183: Nov 24, 2021 04:29:45 pm
      Didn’t we stall to the very last minute on the Suarez deal unless Chelsea paid the £50 million fee upfront to fund Carroll & Suarez..?

      I would have kept Torres over Carroll....

      Anyway.... Phil, bit of a sh*t move he pulled, Edwards shafted Barca, we got Ali & Virgil, I’m happy with that..

      Would I take Phil back right now...? Never.


      Club was getting Suarez - Torres looked to leave, the club asked Chelsea to pay whatever was needed to get Carroll plus what was needed for Suarez
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      Re: Phillipe Coutinho (Barcelona)
      Reply #184: Nov 25, 2021 08:24:18 am
      I'd happily see Phil back in some sort of testimonial/legends capacity years from now. No hard feelings with the move as time heals all that sh*t.

      Not as a pro footballer earning a wage though because he's not good enough.
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      Re: Phillipe Coutinho (Barcelona)
      Reply #185: Nov 25, 2021 08:38:14 am
      I'd happily see Phil back in some sort of testimonial/legends capacity years from now. No hard feelings with the move as time heals all that sh*t.

      Not as a pro footballer earning a wage though because he's not good enough.

      For me you should be a legend to come back, and he’s not one of those ( disclaimer I know a lot who play in those games aren’t and it always makes me laugh)

      Suarez wouldn’t get a call from me either
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      Re: Phillipe Coutinho (Barcelona)
      Reply #186: Nov 25, 2021 01:27:31 pm
      We improved as a team after he left.


      Brought in two players to turn the team from close to winners


      We also didn’t drop as an attacking unit losing him

      He was a good player - it’s still amazing that Barcelona paid so much for him

      But like Torres , Suarez and Mascherano amongst others - they were desperate to jump ship so wouldn’t welcome any of them back

      Mascherano wasn't desperate to leave. LFC PR bullshit that. He had no option, Purslow sold him to get the dough to pay off the loan servicing the debt. Same reason we got rid of Xabi. Just like Mascherano never said he didn't want to play against City, he wasn't goven the option.

      Same with Torres, in reality he didn't jump ship, WE SOLD HIM!!

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