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      Jürgen Klopp - LFC Manager (Part 2)

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      Re: Jürgen Klopp - LFC Manager (Part 2)
      Reply #1450: Feb 21, 2021 04:49:43 pm
      We're in a bad run of form but I am sure Klopp will sort it out
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      Re: Jürgen Klopp - LFC Manager (Part 2)
      Reply #1451: Feb 21, 2021 04:55:26 pm
      https://youtu.be/Rhv-RL7za3E

      Sums it up. Nice video for helping understand the impact of VVD's absence on our midfield and our forwards.

      If you haven’t already check this out, solid gold fact.


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      Re: Jürgen Klopp - LFC Manager (Part 2)
      Reply #1452: Feb 21, 2021 05:05:15 pm
      Oh mate what a strange idea (or whatever it is) if you believe so.
      No matter what system still relied on top quality players to implement if team want to win trophies and maintain their top position.
      That is why top team still always looking to get top quality players, even if some player is at extremely high cost. 

      Yes of course better players help, but a system must be resilient, to cope with rotation and injuries, ours isn't.
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      Re: Jürgen Klopp - LFC Manager (Part 2)
      Reply #1453: Feb 21, 2021 05:12:47 pm
      Oh mate what a strange idea (or whatever it is) if you believe so.
      No matter what system still relied on top quality players to implement if team want to win trophies and maintain their top position.
      That is why top team still always looking to get top quality players, even if some player is at extremely high cost. 

      Precisely why we are where we are, class players were acquired by way of sell to buy, that scenario has not been possible for some time.

      We are forced to take bargain basement signings to replace world class players when necessary.

      The owners will loan LFC monies for bricks and mortar - why not the same for what the club represents and does so f**king well as their market value shows.
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      Reply #1454: Feb 21, 2021 06:38:10 pm
      We're in a bad run of form but I am sure Klopp will sort it out

      He will sort it when players return from injuries and new players added to the squad...

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      Reply #1455: Feb 21, 2021 06:42:59 pm
      Precisely why we are where we are, class players were acquired by way of sell to buy, that scenario has not been possible for some time.

      We are forced to take bargain basement signings to replace world class players when necessary.

      The owners will loan LFC monies for bricks and mortar - why not the same for what the club represents and does so f**king well as their market value shows.

      They seem to somehow miss the point that quality personnel add to the value by creating success within the whole structure of the club. Now valued at what? 2bn plus? Yet can’t spare the funds for much needed squad depth that aren’t in the bargain bin sales. This season alone proves that quality costs, but is necessary if you want to stay competitive through a crisis such as a plethora of injuries...

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      Reply #1456: Feb 21, 2021 06:50:05 pm
      Precisely why we are where we are, class players were acquired by way of sell to buy, that scenario has not been possible for some time.

      We are forced to take bargain basement signings to replace world class players when necessary.

      The owners will loan LFC monies for bricks and mortar - why not the same for what the club represents and does so f**king well as their market value shows.


      Why does this falsehood still keep being posted ?

      Which bargain basement player did we buy to replace world class players


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      Reply #1457: Feb 21, 2021 06:52:31 pm
      They seem to somehow miss the point that quality personnel add to the value by creating success within the whole structure of the club. Now valued at what? 2bn plus? Yet can’t spare the funds for much needed squad depth that aren’t in the bargain bin sales. This season alone proves that quality costs, but is necessary if you want to stay competitive through a crisis such as a plethora of injuries...

      Where would you like them to provide funds from considering the club runs on a self sufficent model



      Here is a stat


      Liverpool have 6 players who have not spent more than three weeks injured this season.

      • Andy Robertson
      • Gini Wijnaldum
      • Roberto Firmino
      • Mo Salah
      • Sadio Mané
      • Curtis Jones


      Two of those also had Covid


      What sort of squad depth do you expect to have to cover the level of injuries we have had


      Are you one of those that expects us to have the same level of squad players sat there waiting ? A bench full of £50mil players on high wages like City
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      Reply #1458: Feb 21, 2021 07:04:07 pm
      Where would you like them to provide funds from considering the club runs on a self sufficent model



      Here is a stat


      Liverpool have 6 players who have not spent more than three weeks injured this season.

      • Andy Robertson
      • Gini Wijnaldum
      • Roberto Firmino
      • Mo Salah
      • Sadio Mané
      • Curtis Jones


      Two of those also had Covid


      What sort of squad depth do you expect to have to cover the level of injuries we have had


      Are you one of those that expects us to have the same level of squad players sat there waiting ? A bench full of £50mil players on high wages like City

      Look at our current  bench and tell me it’s full of quality...

      Next you’ll be telling us the owners make no money from their business and it’s all from the goodness of their hearts..

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      Reply #1459: Feb 21, 2021 07:14:33 pm
      Look at our current  bench and tell me it’s full of quality...

      Next you’ll be telling us the owners make no money from their business and it’s all from the goodness of their hearts..

      The “bench” as you call it is either playing week in week out or injured


      Add in players like Jota , Matip with Gini , Jones , Keita on the Bench because you have Hendo , Fabinho , VVD , Gomez playing


      Do people like you just ignore the level of injuries with the squad
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      Reply #1460: Feb 21, 2021 08:33:22 pm
      The “bench” as you call it is either playing week in week out or injured


      Add in players like Jota , Matip with Gini , Jones , Keita on the Bench because you have Hendo , Fabinho , VVD , Gomez playing


      Do people like you just ignore the level of injuries with the squad

      Do you rent pocket space from JWH? Send him a valentines card?

      It seems you fail to realise that we’ve had a couple of good seasons primarily down to a quality starting 11, Jürgens magical input and a massive dose of luck with injuries. You can’t rely on the latter to keep a team successful, as this season has proven with the frankly insane amount of injuries. That means investment is required, firstly to keep things fresh and secondly, to add quality to the non starting 11 for the seasonal domestic cup runs and when the injuries occur.

      You seem to have disagreed with everything I’ve so far said, so I’ll assume you’ll continue in the same manner.

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      Re: Jürgen Klopp - LFC Manager (Part 2)
      Reply #1461: Feb 21, 2021 08:36:38 pm
      Do you rent pocket space from JWH? Send him a valentines card?

      It seems you fail to realise that we’ve had a couple of good seasons primarily down to a quality starting 11, Jürgens magical input and a massive dose of luck with injuries. You can’t rely on the latter to keep a team successful, as this season has proven with the frankly insane amount of injuries. That means investment is required, firstly to keep things fresh and secondly, to add quality to the non starting 11 for the seasonal domestic cup runs and when the injuries occur.

      You seem to have disagreed with everything I’ve so far said, so I’ll assume you’ll continue in the same manner.



      We will sign players in the Summer.

      Even City wouldn't cope with the number of injuries we've sustained since October.

      It's a freak season. Sh*t happens.

      We will move on from it next season.
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      Reply #1462: Feb 21, 2021 08:46:47 pm
      We will sign players in the Summer.

      Even City wouldn't cope with the number of injuries we've sustained since October.

      It's a freak season. Sh*t happens.

      We will move on from it next season.

      You know this how? Who are we selling to make these purchases? Without CL ( personally doubt we’ll make top 4 with the on field problems we have),  will our superstars want to hang around? Very uncertain time in my opinion.

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      Reply #1463: Feb 22, 2021 02:31:41 am
      Best manager in the world with 4 home defeats in a row. 😂 Not achieved since 1928!
      I'm all for everybody saying what they want but come on.

      Do you want a list of all the exceptional bits of excrements we got hit by so far in this exceptional sh*t storm we are in since the 3rd game of the season or so?

      You also forgot to say first manager to win us a league on 30 years and by far the most exciting football we've played in those 30 years too (at least to my eyes that is)

      Come on now. Read your post back and just reflect a bit on what this is implying.

      This man been hit with the meanest sh*t storm (at least in relation to the small timeframe of it) I've seen hit a mangager in 25 years of watching football, his mom recently died, the owners did not back him with a decent amount of cbs, etc. Despite all that we are 5th and still very much in contention for top 4 and still in the CL with a leg into next round. Most people call sick when they get a mild cold
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      Re: Jürgen Klopp - LFC Manager (Part 2)
      Reply #1464: Feb 22, 2021 07:02:06 am
      Do you rent pocket space from JWH? Send him a valentines card?

      It seems you fail to realise that we’ve had a couple of good seasons primarily down to a quality starting 11, Jürgens magical input and a massive dose of luck with injuries. You can’t rely on the latter to keep a team successful, as this season has proven with the frankly insane amount of injuries. That means investment is required, firstly to keep things fresh and secondly, to add quality to the non starting 11 for the seasonal domestic cup runs and when the injuries occur.

      You seem to have disagreed with everything I’ve so far said, so I’ll assume you’ll continue in the same manner.

      I am interested in the whole idea about our success coming mainly from our starting XI. Looking at our last two seasons (league only), in 2019-20, only 12 players started games in double digits,  numbering 38, 35, 35, 34, 34, 33, 31, 29, 26, 22, 22 and 17. Then 11 other players combined for 62 starts - 23 starters in all.

      In 2018-2019, 16 players started double digits, numbering 38, 38, 37, 36, 35, 32, 31, 27, 22, 22, 17, 16, 12, 11 and 11. Then 4 others combine for 24 starts - 20 starters in all.

      This season 27 players have already started games in the league including 12 at 5 games or less. So we are definitely dipping into the squad deeper and more often and it's hard not to think this has a good deal to do with the difference in results.
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      Reply #1465: Feb 22, 2021 07:26:05 am
      Where would you like them to provide funds from considering the club runs on a self sufficent model



      Here is a stat


      Liverpool have 6 players who have not spent more than three weeks injured this season.

      • Andy Robertson
      • Gini Wijnaldum
      • Roberto Firmino
      • Mo Salah
      • Sadio Mané
      • Curtis Jones


      Two of those also had Covid


      What sort of squad depth do you expect to have to cover the level of injuries we have had


      Are you one of those that expects us to have the same level of squad players sat there waiting ? A bench full of £50mil players on high wages like City

      this just shows what a mental season it his has been for injuries. Its nuts. Even the guys brought in to cover people got Injured ffs what chance we got.
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      Reply #1466: Feb 22, 2021 07:31:47 am
      Do you rent pocket space from JWH? Send him a valentines card?

      It seems you fail to realise that we’ve had a couple of good seasons primarily down to a quality starting 11, Jürgens magical input and a massive dose of luck with injuries. You can’t rely on the latter to keep a team successful, as this season has proven with the frankly insane amount of injuries. That means investment is required, firstly to keep things fresh and secondly, to add quality to the non starting 11 for the seasonal domestic cup runs and when the injuries occur.

      You seem to have disagreed with everything I’ve so far said, so I’ll assume you’ll continue in the same manner.



      couple of seasons ? Mate the past 4 years has been our best most consistent period in the league & Europe since the bloody 80s, get a grip. That success has been down to Jürgen, the players, the owners and the recruitment. They have all played theyre part, just becuase they havnt spend a billion quid on the 2nd bench, cos thats what we are into now, the bench at the weekend had lots of u23 lads there, not becuase of lack of investment, but becuase the whole fukin squad is injured. ;D

      This season is a freak. Cant blame everything on the board, its just been a rotten run of luck in terms of Injuries.
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      Reply #1467: Feb 22, 2021 08:15:50 am
      I am interested in the whole idea about our success coming mainly from our starting XI. Looking at our last two seasons (league only), in 2019-20, only 12 players started games in double digits,  numbering 38, 35, 35, 34, 34, 33, 31, 29, 26, 22, 22 and 17. Then 11 other players combined for 62 starts - 23 starters in all.

      In 2018-2019, 16 players started double digits, numbering 38, 38, 37, 36, 35, 32, 31, 27, 22, 22, 17, 16, 12, 11 and 11. Then 4 others combine for 24 starts - 20 starters in all.

      This season 27 players have already started games in the league including 12 at 5 games or less. So we are definitely dipping into the squad deeper and more often and it's hard not to think this has a good deal to do with the difference in results.

      For anyone interested in how the league starts break down over this season and the preceding two:

          Player             18-19.    19-20    20-21
      Virgil.                  38.          38.           5
      Gini.                     32.          35.          23
      Mo.                       37.          33.         22
      Robbo.               36.            34.          25
      Sadio.                 35.           31.         21
      Ali.                       38.          29.         21
      Trent.                  27.           35.         22
      Hendo.                 21.          26.         20
      Fabinho.              21.             22.        24
      Bobby.                  31.           34.         23

      Millie.                    19.           9.            7
      Naby.                   16.            9.           6
      Joe.                      12.            22.         6
      Matip.                   17.            8.            9

      Considering we are only 2/3 through the league season, there's really only two players who have missed a significant number of games compared to last season.
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      Reply #1468: Feb 22, 2021 08:19:48 am
      We were coping ok until Matip & Fab got Injured, its only the past 2 months were we have really went tits up.
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      Reply #1469: Feb 22, 2021 08:21:26 am
      couple of seasons ? Mate the past 4 years has been our best most consistent period in the league & Europe since the bloody 80s, get a grip. That success has been down to Jürgen, the players, the owners and the recruitment. They have all played theyre part, just becuase they havnt spend a billion quid on the 2nd bench, cos thats what we are into now, the bench at the weekend had lots of u23 lads there, not becuase of lack of investment, but becuase the whole fukin squad is injured. ;D

      This season is a freak. Cant blame everything on the board, its just been a rotten run of luck in terms of Injuries.

      Past four years? So top 4 battle and CL final. Then two way battle for PL and win CL. Then win PL and fizzle out early in CL. How is that 4 years? Now this year fu**ed.

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      Reply #1470: Feb 22, 2021 08:36:44 am
      Past four years? So top 4 battle and CL final. Then two way battle for PL and win CL. Then win PL and fizzle out early in CL. How is that 4 years? Now this year fu**ed.



      started 2016 Europa Cup final, then..... Champions league final, runners up in league with a record points tally, champions league winners, premier league winners, super cup winners, world club winners.

      The last time we had anything close to that consistency was rafa, we were pretty solid for a few years. Before that wonderful team 2001/2002.

      So yeas I standby we have been pretty consistent and successful for 4 years.

      This year is just a freak of nature with Injuries, especially in the one position CB.
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      Reply #1471: Feb 22, 2021 08:37:43 am
      special mention to brendans team, thats was brilliant for a couple of seasons but in the end won fuk all.
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      Reply #1472: Feb 22, 2021 03:51:28 pm
      Best manager in the world with 4 home defeats in a row. 😂 Not achieved since 1928!





      Your winding me up again Heimy, swear you do it on purpose, why is it you always look at the negative, so he has lost four at home on the bounce , but before that he’d went f***in 64 unbeaten, but you don’t f***in mention that do ye ?
      You wanted a reaction congratulations you got one, so form now on I’m going to address you as ‘F**k off Heimy’  because that’s my first reaction to your wumming posts !

      So until your next post ‘F**k Off Heimy’




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      Reply #1473: Feb 22, 2021 04:06:40 pm
      started 2016 Europa Cup final, then..... Champions league final, runners up in league with a record points tally, champions league winners, premier league winners, super cup winners, world club winners.

      The last time we had anything close to that consistency was rafa, we were pretty solid for a few years. Before that wonderful team 2001/2002.

      So yeas I standby we have been pretty consistent and successful for 4 years.

      This year is just a freak of nature with Injuries, especially in the one position CB.

      Lol been watching this exchange and no matter what logical reasoning you throw at that guy, you're going to get sh1t back mate.

      He's bordering on troll
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      Reply #1474: Feb 22, 2021 04:31:42 pm
      I keep seeing he’s only 20, but take the first 10 seconds of yesterday’s game. Everton kick off and launch the ball forward, he’s got time and space to bring the ball down or he can let the ball run for a goal kick if he wants, very basic defending, but instead he shits himself and gives them a corner which was completely unnecessarily.

      Age has nothing to do with things like that. Lovren was still making those sort of mistakes when he turned 30. Its just sh*te defending. There’s no explanation other than that.

      That summed up the rest of his day because he had another half a dozen or so of those moments. The lad had a shocker. The same way he did for the last 15 minutes or so at Leicester.

      I thought he played well against leipzig, I gave him motm in that game actually, but I think that was more because I was nervous about him going into that game after what I saw against Leicester. It was more relief that he didn’t make any major mistakes. I felt we gave him more protection in that game too whereas in the league games we were more dominant and took more risks, leaving spaces at the back which exposed kabak.





      Mate you are probably spot on but let’s give the lad the benefit of the doubt, all players make mistakes, all players have f***in howlers, even Virgil isn’t immune to making the odd mistake, in the grand old scheme of things he wouldn’t normally be anywhere near starting but right now he’s all we got, and he’s still a kid, so he has a lot on his plate, give him time, he might be alright yanno’s,

      Andy Roberton wasn’t exactly pulling up the trees when he first arrived, he was given time to get used to the system and get fit, this lad hasn’t had that luxury, let’s just wait and see how he develops?



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