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      Jürgen Klopp - LFC Manager (Part 2)

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      Reply #2175: Oct 04, 2021 04:24:29 am
      Interesting to read Klopp said 99% of his players had the vaccine. Do we know who hasn't ? Sounds like just one person/player?
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      Reply #2176: Oct 04, 2021 08:15:21 am
      Interesting to read Klopp said 99% of his players had the vaccine. Do we know who hasn't ? Sounds like just one person/player?

      Well in 2017 firmino got caught drink driving and lost his license. So it must be him.
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      Reply #2177: Oct 04, 2021 08:23:58 am
      Well in 2017 firmino got caught drink driving and lost his license. So it must be him.

       :lmao:
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      Reply #2178: Oct 04, 2021 10:56:32 am
      Well in 2017 firmino got caught drink driving and lost his license. So it must be him.

      Leaves the Boss wide open to criticism….

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      Reply #2179: Oct 05, 2021 07:30:05 pm
      Disappointed that Klopp has compelled the whole squad to take the vaccine, and is now becoming the lead voice to encourage other healthy, young footballers to face this unnecessary risk.   

      Comparing the unvaccinated to drink drivers is shameful language.

      Hahahahaha the tin foil hatters heads have well fell off with Klopp's comments around the vaccines.

      He's f**king boss our manager.
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      Reply #2180: Oct 05, 2021 08:54:09 pm
      We don't know how long the vaccine's protection will stay effective for particularly for the elderly and vulnerable. It's still early days. What we do know is vaccinated people are less likely to spread the virus should they contract it. Luckily we have enough responsible people who have or will take the vaccines so we can reduce its impact worldwide.

      That's not actually true mate, the likelihood of spreading it is the same for vaccinated and un-vaccinated people. Klopp is entitled to his views, but players should make up their own minds.
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      Reply #2181: Oct 05, 2021 09:10:54 pm
      That's not actually true mate, the likelihood of spreading it is the same for vaccinated and un-vaccinated people. Klopp is entitled to his views, but players should make up their own minds.

      That's not true.

      https://www.nbcnews.com/health/health-news/vaccinated-people-are-less-likely-spread-covid-new-research-finds-n1280583
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      Reply #2182: Oct 05, 2021 09:21:14 pm
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      Reply #2183: Oct 05, 2021 09:25:50 pm
      Hahahahaha the tin foil hatters heads have well fell off with Klopp's comments around the vaccines.

      He's f**king boss our manager.

      Funny how anti-vaxxers and other sceptics are desperate to have their voices heard yet when Jürgen voices his own it's 'shameful' and he's deemed to be a 'tw*t' and a 'disgrace'!
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      Reply #2184: Oct 05, 2021 09:40:10 pm
      Funny how anti-vaxxers and other sceptics are desperate to have their voices heard yet when Jürgen voices his own it's 'shameful' and he's deemed to be a 'tw*t' and a 'disgrace'!

      Well I'm not an Anti Vaxxer,  I've had all my jabs except this one, so have my kids. There are of course conspiracy theorists that talk a lot of nonsense (the 5G one is ridiculous), but I'm finding the Vaccine fascists just as annoying as the idiots complaining about having to wear a mask in a shop for 5 minutes.
      No one should be criticising Klopp for voicing his opinion, everyone is entitled to have one.
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      Reply #2185: Oct 06, 2021 12:24:34 am
      Funny how anti-vaxxers and other sceptics are desperate to have their voices heard yet when Jürgen voices his own it's 'shameful' and he's deemed to be a 'tw*t' and a 'disgrace'!

      Maybe they are desperate because they get censored or silenced or banned etc.
      If somebody wants to compare me to a drink driver by exercising my free choice at not having a vaccination then I will call them out on it.
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      Reply #2186: Oct 06, 2021 12:53:01 am

      May want to read the entire article, first off the study's not been peer-reviewed, secondly is this little tidbit:

      "The new study showed that protection against transmission seemed to wane over time, however. After three months, people who had breakthrough infections after being vaccinated with AstraZeneca were just as likely to spread the delta variant as the unvaccinated."

      Three months is nothing.

      I had Covid over a year ago and I still have reasonably high levels of anti-bodies.

      I think the issue here is, there are still things we just don't know and won't know for a long time. That's why some people are still reluctant to get a vaccine that was developed at a record pace and we have no long term studies to lean on to show what the possible long term side effects might be. If this virus was killing people at a much higher rate, the risk reward decision would probably dictate that most folks would gladly take the vaccine in spite of any misgivings.

      Either way, at the end of the day, it should be up to individuals to decide what's best for THEIR health first and foremost, regardless of what any of us think.

      Jürgen is certainly allowed his opinion and he's welcome to frame his argument any way he likes. He obviously feels passionate about it, which is understandable considering what happened to his mother. But at the end of the day, that doesn't mean his opinion trumps my opinion so far as my own decision making goes. I love that he's passionate, even if I don't agree with him.
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      Reply #2187: Oct 06, 2021 09:47:22 pm
      May want to read the entire article, first off the study's not been peer-reviewed, secondly is this little tidbit:

      "The new study showed that protection against transmission seemed to wane over time, however. After three months, people who had breakthrough infections after being vaccinated with AstraZeneca were just as likely to spread the delta variant as the unvaccinated."

      Three months is nothing.

      I had Covid over a year ago and I still have reasonably high levels of anti-bodies.

      I think the issue here is, there are still things we just don't know and won't know for a long time. That's why some people are still reluctant to get a vaccine that was developed at a record pace and we have no long term studies to lean on to show what the possible long term side effects might be. If this virus was killing people at a much higher rate, the risk reward decision would probably dictate that most folks would gladly take the vaccine in spite of any misgivings.

      Either way, at the end of the day, it should be up to individuals to decide what's best for THEIR health first and foremost, regardless of what any of us think.

      Jürgen is certainly allowed his opinion and he's welcome to frame his argument any way he likes. He obviously feels passionate about it, which is understandable considering what happened to his mother. But at the end of the day, that doesn't mean his opinion trumps my opinion so far as my own decision making goes. I love that he's passionate, even if I don't agree with him.

      Three months is better than nothing and is still enough to save plenty of lives. And yet more evidence today showing that 6 months after the second jab, the Pfizer vaccine prevents hospitalisation in 90% of cases.

      I just find it hilarious that 'we don't know enough' is the supposed 'common sense' argument...yet the world's top scientists and doctors know enough to tell us to take it and it is 99.9% safe to do so.

      Forgive me if I take the opinion of experts.
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      Reply #2188: Oct 06, 2021 11:40:00 pm
      Three months is better than nothing and is still enough to save plenty of lives. And yet more evidence today showing that 6 months after the second jab, the Pfizer vaccine prevents hospitalisation in 90% of cases.

      I just find it hilarious that 'we don't know enough' is the supposed 'common sense' argument...yet the world's top scientists and doctors know enough to tell us to take it and it is 99.9% safe to do so.

      Forgive me if I take the opinion of experts.

      You can take the opinion of whomever you choose, but you are surely actively seeking out “evidence” that agrees with your stance, that’s called confirmation bias. The truth is most of the scientist that you imply you are listening to haven’t actually participated in or peer reviewed any actual studies. And your 99.9% number is laughable. There isn’t a vaccine or treatment anywhere that’s 99.9% safe because a lot of people can’t take vaccines due to some of the ingredients that are necessary (preservatives and such).

      Believe what you want, just don’t tell me what I have to believe.
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      Reply #2189: Oct 07, 2021 01:41:23 am
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      Reply #2190: Oct 07, 2021 09:44:04 am
      You can take the opinion of whomever you choose, but you are surely actively seeking out “evidence” that agrees with your stance, that’s called confirmation bias. The truth is most of the scientist that you imply you are listening to haven’t actually participated in or peer reviewed any actual studies. And your 99.9% number is laughable. There isn’t a vaccine or treatment anywhere that’s 99.9% safe because a lot of people can’t take vaccines due to some of the ingredients that are necessary (preservatives and such).

      Believe what you want, just don’t tell me what I have to believe.

      You can take the opinion of whoever you choose, but you have to realise that there are certain opinions that hold far greater value than others. And those are the opinions that the likes of Jürgen and millions of others around this world choose to follow. Why? Because their opinions are backed by stats, no matter how much you try to pass it off as 'confirmation bias'.

      There have been plenty of peer reviewed articles on covid and the vaccines throughout this year. F***ing hell - the Astrazeneca efficacy results that were released before last Christmas were peer reviewed! Trying to pass your opinion off on the basis of academic robustness won't stand up.
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      Reply #2191: Oct 07, 2021 02:11:42 pm
      that’s called confirmation bias.

      I have a very big hindsight bias.

      Before any match is played, I'd have already knew what Klopp should or shouldn't have done, because these things look so obvious. You can be sure that after every game, I'd be telling everyone how wrong Jürgen Klopp is and based on how the previous match unfolded and how it was obvious that Klopp's been naive in his decision making and that at the end of my argument, I'm the best manager standing... who doesn't make silly decisions and mistakes like Klopp or the other players.

      "Surely they should have known... But they didn't... I knew it all along... They couldn't see it... But it was so obvious to me... I'd have done otherwise from [fill in any disaster or mistakes that's been resulted or committed]."

      In hindsight, I'm never wrong with the exception of never getting lotto numbers correct.   :mad:
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      Reply #2192: Oct 07, 2021 02:40:08 pm
      You can take the opinion of whoever you choose, but you have to realise that there are certain opinions that hold far greater value than others. And those are the opinions that the likes of Jürgen and millions of others around this world choose to follow. Why? Because their opinions are backed by stats, no matter how much you try to pass it off as 'confirmation bias'.

      There have been plenty of peer reviewed articles on covid and the vaccines throughout this year. F***ing hell - the Astrazeneca efficacy results that were released before last Christmas were peer reviewed! Trying to pass your opinion off on the basis of academic robustness won't stand up.

      Look, I don't doubt that the vaccines have a level of effectiveness in reducing the overall risks associated with severe cases of Covid. I'm not an anti-vaxxer,  just got a tetanus booster this year in fact and my kids have all of the "normal" vaccines that most kids get growing up. I have an 18 year old son though that had an irregular heartbeat at birth, it's not ever been an issue (hell he's a cross country runner now and a pretty damn good one) but that gives us pause when we consider whether the risk of periocarditis or myocarditis (I'm sure I butchered those spellings) is greater than the risk of him getting a severe case of Covid (he's already had Covid when the rest of us did and it was barely a blip to him). So all I'm saying is, it's none of your or Klopp's or anyone else's business to tell me or anyone in my family that we should run out and be vaccinated (especially when my wife is an ex-scientist that worked in research on biological weapons defense and understands all the ins and outs of the virus, the vaccines, etc....).  I love Klopp and I respect you as a poster on this forum but neither one of you have the information or the right to shame anyone that hasn't been vaccinated. Especially when there are real (albeit possibly minor) concerns surrounding long term effects of the various vaccines that are being pushed on the public and when the death rate for this virus I believe is still under 1% for all age groups combined and even less than that if we are talking about younger, healthier people.

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      Reply #2193: Oct 07, 2021 03:50:31 pm
      I bet if he said the vaccines are a load of crap and he doesn't recommend them people who are pro vaccine would be saying he should stick to football though
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      Reply #2194: Oct 07, 2021 05:19:16 pm
      Three months is better than nothing and is still enough to save plenty of lives. And yet more evidence today showing that 6 months after the second jab, the Pfizer vaccine prevents hospitalisation in 90% of cases.

      I just find it hilarious that 'we don't know enough' is the supposed 'common sense' argument...yet the world's top scientists and doctors know enough to tell us to take it and it is 99.9% safe to do so.

      Forgive me if I take the opinion of experts.

      Would you take the advice of the experts saying not to take it 😄. Everyone at high risk is probably better off taking the jabs, it's a judgement call for those not in the high risk category.
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      Reply #2195: Oct 07, 2021 06:33:44 pm
      Six years ago tomorrow, Jürgen Klopp became Liverpool manager.

      And f**k me, what a six f**king years it's been.
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      Reply #2196: Oct 07, 2021 06:44:40 pm
      Bloody hell that has gone so quick, long may it continue
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      Reply #2197: Oct 07, 2021 06:45:13 pm
      Yeah, enjoy it while it lasts
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      Reply #2198: Oct 07, 2021 08:04:33 pm
      Yeah, enjoy it while it lasts

      Is that a threat? 😄
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      Reply #2199: Oct 07, 2021 08:39:44 pm
      Quote from LFCSTEVE1984
      I bet if he said the vaccines are a load of crap and he doesn't recommend them people who are pro vaccine would be saying he should stick to football though

      He wouldn't be that stupid to say that. English is his second language, but he knows that the owners, staff, players, fans, and sponsors would judge him on comments like that. Plenty have already, just for stating the obvious.

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