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      Jürgen Klopp - LFC Manager (Part 2)

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      Re: Jürgen Klopp - LFC Manager (Part 2)
      Reply #2852: Jul 05, 2022 09:03:52 pm
      Great manager my only reservation is the size of squad, far to small in depth to challenge in all the competitions we do, run out of steam again last season many players surfing fatigue could have rested Robbo more than he did, and we never beat any of the top three in games home and away, Spurs, Chelsea and City had we beat one of them we won the League, both cups we won were on penalties, fine margins but are we going to make the same mistake with what looks like a no bigger or smaller squad than last year….. I hope not
      Did we run out of steam? Seems a strange thing to say. We missed out on the league by 1 point and at no point in the run in were we top. If anything we gained momentum as the season went on and made up a lot of ground on City. We won our last game, they won their last game and that was the story.

      Champions League Final we weren’t at our best and lost narrowly to a very experienced side. Not at our best but still their keeper was man of the match and I honestly still can’t understand how we didn’t score.

      So going in to this season we have lost some players and brought in some others.

      Out

      Mane
      Minamino
      Origi

      In

      Nunez
      Carvahlo
      Ramsay
       
      Mane is a big loss but confident in the lads who have come in. Still time and honestly expect we might bring someone else in, particularly if we are getting a decent fee for Neco Williams. Midfield is the one area I’d like to see us strengthen given the injury record of our current players.
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      Reply #2853: Jul 05, 2022 11:45:34 pm
      Did we run out of steam? Seems a strange thing to say. We missed out on the league by 1 point and at no point in the run in were we top. If anything we gained momentum as the season went on and made up a lot of ground on City. We won our last game, they won their last game and that was the story.

      Champions League Final we weren’t at our best and lost narrowly to a very experienced side. Not at our best but still their keeper was man of the match and I honestly still can’t understand how we didn’t score.

      So going in to this season we have lost some players and brought in some others.

      Out

      Mane
      Minamino
      Origi

      In

      Nunez
      Carvahlo
      Ramsay
       
      Mane is a big loss but confident in the lads who have come in. Still time and honestly expect we might bring someone else in, particularly if we are getting a decent fee for Neco Williams. Midfield is the one area I’d like to see us strengthen given the injury record of our current players.

      Yeah, I don't think the squad is too small either.

      Last season we put a bit more emphasis on the domestic cups, playing generally more "first choice" players, and won them both. Having won them, next season Jürgen can go back to playing the kids more in them, if he feels he needs to. But he may not even need to. As you say, we went very close in both the league and CL despite so many games in the cups, and we still finished the season strongly, so the depth looks ok to me.
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      Reply #2854: Jul 06, 2022 02:04:49 pm
      maybe winning the two domestic trophies  means the pressure for silverware is off this season and we can go for the EPL now and play youth in the Cups.The big  obstacle is the WC who knows how that will f**k things up




      Nail hit & head mate, I would seriously doubt Jürgen would jeopardise the title push or the CL campaign again this season, we went for it last season simply because we could, it’s not the case this time round, cos we won them, and inadvertently will have put them on the back burner for a while, now before anyone moans we should take every competition we enter seriously, we will, albeit will probably use a few bin lids in early rounds and see how far they can take us,
      If we were to reach the latter stages then it’s likely we’ll see less kids the further we progress, but like you Walt mate I want us focussed in winning No’s 20 & 7 and less so with the domestic sh*t !!



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      Reply #2855: Jul 06, 2022 02:13:35 pm
      Not sure how anyone can say the squad is too small when we reached the finals of every competition we played in and lost the league by 1 point while having 8 wins and 2 draws in the last 10 league games. Madness.
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      Reply #2856: Jul 06, 2022 05:27:26 pm
      Never a fan of comparing managers. They all had their way of doing the job. Rafa will always have my respect regardless of what Jürgen or anybody else does for us.

      I always forget who scored and who missed in '05  the shoot out pens..and have to look it up..

      Hamann,Cisse and Smicer scored..Riise missed..3

      Tomasson, Kaka scored..Serginho, Pirlo..and Shevchenko missed their 5th pen..2

      but was Stevie hoping Shevchenko would score so he could step and get all the glory..maybe not..



      Don't think Steven had option, think the pen takers were pre-planned, hence Alonso taking the pen in the 2nd half.
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      Reply #2857: Jul 06, 2022 09:10:30 pm



      Nail hit & head mate, I would seriously doubt Jürgen would jeopardise the title push or the CL campaign again this season, we went for it last season simply because we could, it’s not the case this time round, cos we won them, and inadvertently will have put them on the back burner for a while, now before anyone moans we should take every competition we enter seriously, we will, albeit will probably use a few bin lids in early rounds and see how far they can take us,
      If we were to reach the latter stages then it’s likely we’ll see less kids the further we progress, but like you Walt mate I want us focussed in winning No’s 20 & 7 and less so with the domestic sh*t !!



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      Klopp is a genius.
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      Reply #2858: Jul 06, 2022 11:52:55 pm
      Last season we put a bit more emphasis on the domestic cups, playing generally more "first choice" players, and won them both. Having won them, next season Jürgen can go back to playing the kids more in them, if he feels he needs to. But he may not even need to. As you say, we went very close in both the league and CL despite so many games in the cups, and we still finished the season strongly, so the depth looks ok to me.

      This

      We've now got  the full set of trophies under Klopp, except the Europa cup and that other pointless Europa league thing.

      I'd like us to focus slightly more on the Prem next season and play more younger players in the cups but we still have a decent cup team- Kelleher, Tsimikas, Matip, Gomez, Milner, Jones, Elliot, Bobby plus 3 young players would be expected to win a cup game against any team outside the top half of premier league.
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      Reply #2859: Jul 13, 2022 10:48:27 am
      Freedom of the city incoming for mr Klopp.   :clap: :clap: :scarf: :scarf:
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      Reply #2860: Jul 13, 2022 11:46:10 am
      Yeah, I don't think the squad is too small either.

      Last season we put a bit more emphasis on the domestic cups, playing generally more "first choice" players, and won them both. Having won them, next season Jürgen can go back to playing the kids more in them, if he feels he needs to. But he may not even need to. As you say, we went very close in both the league and CL despite so many games in the cups, and we still finished the season strongly, so the depth looks ok to me.

      I disagree with that. Last season, if we won the cups it's because Origi and Minamino who were given the keys of the team did their job and scored crucial goals. Klopp never prioritizes the cups, except when we're already in the final quarters. If we won last year, it's because Origi and Minamino did their job properly and in the finals, we beat Chelsea on penalty. It could have been otherwise, we were good and lucky enough to win both shoot-outs.

      This won't change Klopp will still play the B team for cups and if we reach the semi-final, he'll put the A team to finish the job.
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      Reply #2861: Jul 13, 2022 12:11:00 pm
      Great manager my only reservation is the size of squad, far to small in depth to challenge in all the competitions we do, run out of steam again last season many players surfing fatigue could have rested Robbo more than he did, and we never beat any of the top three in games home and away, Spurs, Chelsea and City had we beat one of them we won the League, both cups we won were on penalties, fine margins but are we going to make the same mistake with what looks like a no bigger or smaller squad than last year….. I hope not
      I get your point but disagree with your conclusion.
      I never once thought depth was the limiting factor during LFC's struggles to score enough goals vs top of the table teams lat season.
      5 deep up front, 6 deep in the middle, 7 deep on the back line.
      I often felt Klopp overvalued possession vs top teams. Too often, especially down the left side, instead of driving forward (often Robbo) with the ball during odd man breaks or with defenders on their back foot, the plan typically was 'kick the ball back out' and play the possession game, thus allowing all 10 defenders to easily set up while LFC's back line played keep away. The few times LFC pressed forward down the left side, rarely were forwards matching the ball's up field position in front of net and almost never did you see a LFC midfielder come to the top of the box for a diagonal pass from the corner. What I just described is Man City's offensive script. Clearly Klopp fears counter strikes and who can blame him given how easily opponents odd man rushes occurred in the blink of an eye. Always baffled me where the mids were. Certainly not pressing forward because that is the job of Trent and Robbo. Yet opponents often easily bypassed the mids on counterstrikes.

      I'm certainly nitpicking given the team's results overall, but the "possession" game didn't amount to much vs top of the table
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      Reply #2862: Jul 13, 2022 12:31:57 pm
      I get your point but disagree with your conclusion.
      I never once thought depth was the limiting factor during LFC's struggles to score enough goals vs top of the table teams lat season.
      5 deep up front, 6 deep in the middle, 7 deep on the back line.
      I often felt Klopp overvalued possession vs top teams. Too often, especially down the left side, instead of driving forward (often Robbo) with the ball during odd man breaks or with defenders on their back foot, the plan typically was 'kick the ball back out' and play the possession game, thus allowing all 10 defenders to easily set up while LFC's back line played keep away. The few times LFC pressed forward down the left side, rarely were forwards matching the ball's up field position in front of net and almost never did you see a LFC midfielder come to the top of the box for a diagonal pass from the corner. What I just described is Man City's offensive script. Clearly Klopp fears counter strikes and who can blame him given how easily opponents odd man rushes occurred in the blink of an eye. Always baffled me where the mids were. Certainly not pressing forward because that is the job of Trent and Robbo. Yet opponents often easily bypassed the mids on counterstrikes.

      I'm certainly nitpicking given the team's results overall, but the "possession" game didn't amount to much vs top of the table

      Nit picking !!! is an understement of biblical proportions. we lost the league by 1 point, and lost champions league final to the greatest ever european club, which we actually played ok in, hitting post a few times. And all the other sh*te that went on that day the result meant very little in the end.

      We were a baw hair away from winning everything. Nothing tactical about it.
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      Reply #2863: Jul 13, 2022 02:39:45 pm
      Nit picking !!! is an understement of biblical proportions. we lost the league by 1 point, and lost champions league final to the greatest ever european club, which we actually played ok in, hitting post a few times. And all the other sh*te that went on that day the result meant very little in the end.

      We were a baw hair away from winning everything. Nothing tactical about it.

      I don’t think people understand depth enough. They think that three backups for the front three is insufficient depth because there’s only one replacement for each of the three.

      We have Mo, Bobby, Diaz, Nunez, Jota, Carvalho as forwards but can only play three each time. Our depth is first our fourth choice forward, then fifth then sixth…

      We are three forwards deep and not one forward deep as in three starters backed up by three benchers each. If so, do we need three more forwards for a total of 9 for two forwards deep? People just need to think harder than just throwing out lazy analysis.

      People can disagree but I believe the six we have is as strong if not stronger the six we used to have.
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      Reply #2864: Jul 13, 2022 03:38:16 pm
      I don’t think people understand depth enough. They think that three backups for the front three is insufficient depth because there’s only one replacement for each of the three.

      We have Mo, Bobby, Diaz, Nunez, Jota, Carvalho as forwards but can only play three each time. Our depth is first our fourth choice forward, then fifth then sixth…

      We are three forwards deep and not one forward deep as in three starters backed up by three benchers each. If so, do we need three more forwards for a total of 9 for two forwards deep? People just need to think harder than just throwing out lazy analysis.

      People can disagree but I believe the six we have is as strong if not stronger the six we used to have.

      Totally Agree.

      The new guys defo have the potential to be better than the previous 6 forwards.
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      Reply #2865: Jul 30, 2022 08:21:37 pm
      Really pleased for him, should have won more at Dortmond, but seen the fruits for just being what seems, a really nice guy.

      https://twitter.com/Watch_LFC/status/1553459776759238657?t=dlq-hIzqJQznb8OhDPUIrA&s=19
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      Reply #2866: Jul 31, 2022 01:03:25 am
      Legend

      After the game, he signed someones leg who had a tatt of Jürgen's face on it.  :lmao:

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      Reply #2867: Aug 01, 2022 05:11:22 pm
      It's Klopp's inspirational infectious enthusiasm and his motivational qualities that make him stand out. But it's much more in terms of his judgement of players. So many things can go wrong on that front. Buying well is vital but getting the best out of them is a job on it's own. Keeping the squad motivated and ready, making the right selection. Picking up on what makes each individual tick.

      Also not taking or stealing the credit when we have spectacular success. You can tell that this is a man who automatically knows where his moral compass is. People have integrity by and large, but it's rare for someone so high up in his profession to be so transparent in terms of personal integrity and honesty. You can believe this man, the trust is there, implicit. Decent bloke.

      p.s. never met him so could be a git for all I know...!

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      Reply #2868: Aug 01, 2022 07:42:44 pm
      Legend

      After the game, he signed someones leg who had a tatt of Jürgen's face on it.  :lmao:


      He was looking for the big man as well  cos he has a tatt of him on his other leg.

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