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      Jürgen Klopp - LFC Manager (Part 2)

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      Re: Jürgen Klopp - LFC Manager (Part 2)
      Reply #3657: Jan 02, 2023 10:23:57 pm
      I’m not ready to take Klopp to task, no one else I’d rather have to get us out of this mess, but surely he’s gotta change something up? We seem to be failing in the same way over and over again. 

      Sounds like failing relationship talk
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      Reply #3658: Jan 02, 2023 10:26:25 pm
      Not a clear foul at all Boss. Sometimes just got to take medicine

      That's just how Jürgen deals with the press after a defeat. He's not one to rip the players apart in front of the cameras so he's just deflected it towards the ref tonight. We've seen him use similar excuses with things like fixture scheduling etc.
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      Reply #3659: Jan 02, 2023 10:27:16 pm
      its absolutely fair to ask questions of him and his staff. they've just had a month off to work things out. nothing has changed. in fact off the ball we look even worse. its not even exaggerating to say we look one of the worst teams in the league off the ball.
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      Reply #3660: Jan 02, 2023 10:34:08 pm
      I’m not ready to take Klopp to task, no one else I’d rather have to get us out of this mess, but surely he’s gotta change something up? We seem to be failing in the same way over and over again.
      There's a definite pattern emerging here, you can tell it from the repetition of the comments on this forum week in week out. Without a solid defence we're going nowhere. The priority has to be shoring up at the back. We are chasing the game every F**king week.
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      Reply #3661: Jan 03, 2023 03:21:49 am
      Just seen Jurgens after match interview. I can only hope he's saying something different in the dressing room .... surely he is.

      Moaning about their physicality in set pieces etc. Do me a favor ... we were soft as sh*t defensively ... vvd and konate are big lads but they didn't stand up to it. Konate was rubbish for the 3rd goal.

      The high balls to trents side .... they did the same last season in the 3-3. We just don't learn. We don't improve infact trent has gone backwards since then. We were rubbish last night. They were more intense and they wanted it more. They had more desire. They had more quality even without Tony. End of story.
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      Reply #3662: Jan 03, 2023 11:33:12 am
      Anybody else think it’s panic time because if anything the WC break has seen us come back looking a complete mess!

      The clubs insistence that they won’t spend along with Klopp’s tactical arrogance like experimenting with Elliot as a midfielder I’m worried about our chances of Top 4.
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      Reply #3663: Jan 03, 2023 11:37:45 am
      Seriously ? Have you never supported the club when we have had drops in form ? Have you only been around in the last 3/4 years ?


      What’s this “club’s insistence” it won’t spend when it’s just spend £40mil 🤷‍♂️


      Elliot is a 19 year old lad still learning and developing


      Since when did we as Liverpool fans start acting like this
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      Reply #3664: Jan 03, 2023 11:46:48 am
      Seriously ? Have you never supported the club when we have had drops in form ? Have you only been around in the last 3/4 years ?


      What’s this “club’s insistence” it won’t spend when it’s just spend £40mil 🤷‍♂️


      Elliot is a 19 year old lad still learning and developing


      Since when did we as Liverpool fans start acting like this

      F***ing hell imagine some of them would have already had the nooses out when the owl was in charge!!
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      Reply #3665: Jan 03, 2023 11:47:47 am
      Anybody else think it’s panic time because if anything the WC break has seen us come back looking a complete mess!

      The clubs insistence that they won’t spend along with Klopp’s tactical arrogance like experimenting with Elliot as a midfielder I’m worried about our chances of Top 4.

      Well it's around this time everything went tits up in the pandemic season so who knows.
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      Reply #3666: Jan 03, 2023 11:51:11 am
      FSG are skint and to blame but Klopp is also is to blame with his dumb decisions of protecting washed up finished players. You are not their dad Klopp, this is a football club not some F***ing maternity facility. Do your F***ing job and be ruthless and ship players who don't deserve to be here or else you are putting your job at risk.
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      Reply #3667: Jan 03, 2023 11:53:54 am
      F***ing hell imagine some of them would have already had the nooses out when the owl was in charge!!

      Or when souness took over , or Evans or GH and even Rafa
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      Reply #3668: Jan 03, 2023 11:54:58 am
      FSG are skint and to blame but Klopp is also is to blame with his dumb decisions of protecting washed up finished players. You are not their dad Klopp, this is a football club not some F***ing maternity facility. Do your F***ing job and be ruthless and ship players who don't deserve to be here or else you are putting your job at risk.

      And how do you ship players out if no one wants to buy, especially in two cases were the contracts are up in the summer.

      Blaming Klopp right now is F***ing dumb, especially when regarding transfers he's having to do the job with one arm tied behind his back.
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      Reply #3669: Jan 03, 2023 11:59:47 am
      And how do you ship players out if no one wants to buy, especially in two cases were the contracts are up in the summer.

      Blaming Klopp right now is f**king dumb, especially when regarding transfers he's having to do the job with one arm tied behind his back.

      Then he should stop making dumb statements like the one he made before we played Brentford.
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      Reply #3670: Jan 03, 2023 12:18:45 pm
      And how do you ship players out if no one wants to buy, especially in two cases were the contracts are up in the summer.

      Blaming Klopp right now is F***ing dumb, especially when regarding transfers he's having to do the job with one arm tied behind his back.


      That has been the case from day 1.
      Like blaming Sooty when Harry Corbet has got his arm shoved up his arse!
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      Reply #3671: Jan 03, 2023 12:22:33 pm
      Just seen Jurgens after match interview. I can only hope he's saying something different in the dressing room .... surely he is.

      Moaning about their physicality in set pieces etc. Do me a favor ... we were soft as sh*t defensively ... vvd and konate are big lads but they didn't stand up to it. Konate was rubbish for the 3rd goal.

      The high balls to trents side .... they did the same last season in the 3-3. We just don't learn. We don't improve infact trent has gone backwards since then. We were rubbish last night. They were more intense and they wanted it more. They had more desire. They had more quality even without Tony. End of story.
      You are right...Far more physicality and aggression needed all over the pitch, there's no pace to the play...We've got to move the ball quicker and get some shots on target, we don't work opposition keepers anywhere near enough. Big mental reset needed.
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      Reply #3672: Jan 03, 2023 12:42:57 pm
      FSG are skint and to blame but Klopp is also is to blame with his dumb decisions of protecting washed up finished players. You are not their dad Klopp, this is a football club not some f**king maternity facility. Do your f**king job and be ruthless and ship players who don't deserve to be here or else you are putting your job at risk.

      It always baffles me when fans blame their manager for poor run without looking into the circumstances why.  :f_doh:

      Once again you have a injury list as long as the tallest man in the world, not forgetting when you have to play players of the standard of Ox which been passed his sell by date for over 2 years and was even sh*te then you still blame the manager.

      A man never blames his tools and Klopps certainly in that department but truth is he really hasn’t got the tools available to him but he gets on with it. Obviously Klopp that desperate he has to play out of date goods because not everyone has a squad dept of City. 

      Some fans are so blinkered and don’t see this. As the saying goes in Liverpool you need to walk through the storm, don’t be afraid when transition needs to come along.
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      Reply #3673: Jan 03, 2023 02:21:33 pm
      Then he should stop making dumb statements like the one he made before we played Brentford.

      Problem is it's not a statement, it's an answer given to a question asked in a press conference.
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      Reply #3674: Jan 03, 2023 07:27:10 pm
      To me it’s simple, the side that Klopp built is done, we can all see that, any other system that’s been tried and tested in the last 100+ years last a bit longer than a Klopp system, look I know I keep referring to Covid but I can’t see any other reason as to why the last two campaigns in particular we’ve struggled,

      Why ?

       Because imo, that’s when the rebuild should have started, in fact, the summer window before Covid hit should have been the starting point, if we count back then we’ve lost the window’s summer/winter 2020, summer/ winter 2021, Summer/winter 2022, mainly because of lack of self generated funds, without ticket sales we’d have none or little investment for new players,

      So we’ve in effect been set back at least two years, that’s two years we could have been able to rest more of our key players, that’s two years of injuries we could have prevented by having more options off the bench, two years of the intensity our players train and play at, and two years of a already gruelling campaign’s that extend to over Sixty games, with a minimal close season one after the other, and International duties to consider also,

      Most of our lads have played for the best part of 180 + games last three seasons, F**k me a third of that is too much, no wonder they all looked fu**ed, heavy legged, lethargic, Mentally too, they are Psychologically shot, so is any wonder then we’re in the state we’re in ?




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      Re: Jürgen Klopp - LFC Manager (Part 2)
      Reply #3675: Jan 03, 2023 07:29:20 pm
      Don’t know if this goes here or not but maybe it’s relevant….this is a paraphrase (not mine, some other bloke from Reddit) of an article Joyce wrote…



      Liverpool are wide open. Conceding 51 big chances so far this season - 3 per game. 3rd worst in the prem behind Leeds and Fulham at 55 and 54 respectively. Arsenal have conceded 19

      Compared to this point last season, Liverpool have conceded 30 more big chances - the high line isnt as effective

      The press has been wound down by Klopp. Perhaps because of a belief that the team could not sustain it all season after the last campaign

      Liverpool's prem rankings for sprints, distance covered and high-speed runs are all down

      It may be a tactical choice, by pressing less, there is more space for Nunez and Salah to make runs

      Liverpool are unclinical. They have the most big chances in the league, coupled with the lowest conversion rate. Behind Everton in 19th (28% vs 27.6%)

      Klopp has misplaced trust in his midfield options (highlighted by the rant in August about how great the midfield was) with the complaint of them being injury prone and ageing ringing true

      With only Thiago signed as a permanent midfielder in 4 years, an overhaul is needed - Nunes is being tracked but for summer.
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      Reply #3676: Jan 03, 2023 08:47:48 pm
      Don’t know if this goes here or not but maybe it’s relevant….this is a paraphrase (not mine, some other bloke from Reddit) of an article Joyce wrote…



      Liverpool are wide open. Conceding 51 big chances so far this season - 3 per game. 3rd worst in the prem behind Leeds and Fulham at 55 and 54 respectively. Arsenal have conceded 19

      Compared to this point last season, Liverpool have conceded 30 more big chances - the high line isnt as effective

      The press has been wound down by Klopp. Perhaps because of a belief that the team could not sustain it all season after the last campaign

      Liverpool's prem rankings for sprints, distance covered and high-speed runs are all down

      It may be a tactical choice, by pressing less, there is more space for Nunez and Salah to make runs

      Liverpool are unclinical. They have the most big chances in the league, coupled with the lowest conversion rate. Behind Everton in 19th (28% vs 27.6%)

      Klopp has misplaced trust in his midfield options (highlighted by the rant in August about how great the midfield was) with the complaint of them being injury prone and ageing ringing true

      With only Thiago signed as a permanent midfielder in 4 years, an overhaul is needed - Nunes is being tracked but for summer.

      This is on point.

      Klopp has got a lot of things wrong. Our midfield is simply useless when we're in possession. We can't create anything, lacking a real playmaker and the influence of the midfield on the game is insignificant. They cannot control the tempo and don't bring anything going forward (goals and assists). Casemiro is a DM but is more influential than Fabinho and Thiago combined. I don't blame them, it's Klopp's decision to use them like that. In the meantime, we're too predictable.

      As for the high line, it's a weakness. It's clear to see for everyone except Klopp.

      Nunez is an issue but it's not the main one; Firmino scored a dozen of goals per season, Darwin scored 9 already. Over a few months we expect our No.9 to be a goal machine while Firmino would rarely hit the target?
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      Re: Jürgen Klopp - LFC Manager (Part 2)
      Reply #3677: Jan 03, 2023 09:11:04 pm
      We used to laugh at United and now they are 7 points ahead of us because they made big impact signings.
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      Reply #3678: Jan 03, 2023 09:12:33 pm
      We used to laugh at United and now they are 7 points ahead of us because they made big impact signings.

      Decent manager with half a clue helped too!!
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      Reply #3679: Jan 03, 2023 09:23:13 pm
      A friend said to me maybe try to find positives. By not finishing top 4 it means that the FSG will jump ship because they need Champions league football.

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