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      Jürgen Klopp - LFC Manager (Part 2)

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      Re: Jürgen Klopp - LFC Manager (Part 2)
      Reply #4025: Jan 30, 2023 11:58:01 am
      Are you more concerned about the money spend table since 2019 or the trophies won since 2019

      I’m concerned about the state of the team currently that chronic under spending has caught up.
      Jürgen has no more magic tricks up his sleeve yah numpty.

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      Reply #4026: Jan 30, 2023 11:59:28 am
      Are you more concerned about the money spend table since 2019 or the trophies won since 2019
      We built a team to dominate football for years, but in the last 4 years we've  just stood still in the transfer market and teams have caught us up.

      Now we have a aging team that's burnt out.

      We've done exactly what Barcelona did.
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      Reply #4027: Jan 30, 2023 12:00:30 pm
      I’m concerned about the state of the team currently that chronic under spending has caught up.
      Jürgen has no more magic tricks up his sleeve yah numpty.


      All based on a drop in form - we had the same hysteria 2 years ago and recovered.


      The team went through a heck of a season last year and it’s clearly affected them.  Give the manager and players time to recover and go again


      It’s not always about F***ing spending money and signing players.


      A table showing other clubs spending more is only relevant if that’s all you care about


      I’ll care about the trophies
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      Reply #4028: Jan 30, 2023 12:01:37 pm
      We built a team to dominate football for years, but in the last 4 years we've  just stood still in the transfer market and teams have caught us up.

      Now we have a aging team that's burnt out.

      We've done exactly what Barcelona did.

      In the last 4 years we have won - CL , League , FA Cup , World Club Cup , League Cup / haven’t stood still at all FFs
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      Reply #4029: Jan 30, 2023 12:12:27 pm
      In the last 4 years we have won - CL , League , FA Cup , World Club Cup , League Cup / haven’t stood still at all FFs

      Yes, but let’s be honest, we definitely should have won more in that time… to say how dominant we were, although great achievements and how grateful I am for the league, that’s short return for just how good we were, and we could have carried on winning those trophies year in year out advancing the team and players properly, including freshening up the right areas.
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      Reply #4030: Jan 30, 2023 12:15:30 pm
      In the last 4 years we have won - CL , League , FA Cup , World Club Cup , League Cup / haven’t stood still at all FFs

      He means the team has stood still in terms of recruiting and it most definitely has , there is no doubt in that , All top teams at their best add one or two quality additions every season we havnt and now we have a burnt out wreck .
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      Reply #4031: Jan 30, 2023 12:20:29 pm
      Yes, but let’s be honest, we definitely should have won more in that time… to say how dominant we were, although great achievements and how grateful I am for the league, that’s short return for just how good we were, and we could have carried on winning those trophies year in year out advancing the team and players properly, including freshening up the right areas.

      Winning more trophies during that period was down to fine margins - inches here , ref decisions, worldies from GK  etc not money spent


      We will rebuild again and go again - everyone is acting as if we are done - Christ even during Shanks period we went 7 years without winning anything.
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      Reply #4032: Jan 30, 2023 12:22:48 pm
      He means the team has stood still in terms of recruiting and it most definitely has , there is no doubt in that , All top teams at their best add one or two quality additions every season we havnt and now we have a burnt out wreck .

      In that period we have brought into the team


      Jota
      Diaz
      Elliott
      Núñez
      Thiago
      Bacjetic
      Gakpo
      Kostas
      Konate
      Ramsey

      Plus other young players into the teams


      We have added each year and looked to refresh - it’s not £300mil each year so people start to cry
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      Reply #4033: Jan 30, 2023 12:22:48 pm
      I’m concerned about the state of the team currently that chronic under spending has caught up.
      Jürgen has no more magic tricks up his sleeve yah numpty.



      Yeah. If you look at the core of Jurgens team ... Ali, VVd,  Matip, Robbo, Fabinho, Keita, Ox, Salah plus players who were already there such ad Henderson Bobby and Trent ... All either there or brought in before 2019.

      The team has done well ... but the lack of investment as shown by this table is obvious and we're paying for it now. That table shows its own story ... as will the remainder of this season whilst we suffer from fsg. Teams that were miles behind have invested and not just caught up and overtaken us they've left us in the dust. What that table doesn't show is what we've recouped which will be sizeable.

      Yes Jürgen has made mistakes ... but no other top manager has to choose between a centre back and a left back. Or a striker or a midfielder. Only under the greedy parasites fsg.

      The trophies won this season and beyond are the true fact. A slow ageing neglected midfield is the true fact. Let's not hide in the past ... let's look at what's infront of us and what's in front of us is very much at the door of our greedy owners who can't wait to abandon ship now that we're in this state.

      What I will say is that Jürgen should have put his foot down in the summer and retained Mane and invested in midfield. Bob Mane Salah Diaz Jota and Minamino would have been just fine.

      Or he could have let Minamino go, Philips, Ox and one or 2 others and invested in midfield. It is what it is. But as per it was sell to buy. There wasn't a sausage from fsg, no support or backing. Nothing
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      Re: Jürgen Klopp - LFC Manager (Part 2)
      Reply #4034: Jan 30, 2023 12:43:09 pm
      We built a team to dominate football for years, but in the last 4 years we've  just stood still in the transfer market and teams have caught us up.

      Now we have a aging team that's burnt out.

      We've done exactly what Barcelona did.

      Exactly!
      The manager has no sell to buy options.
      The team is past its best years.
      The owners solution?
      Put the club/part of up for sale!

      Once again FSG refuse to show any faith in their investment by financially backing the asset that is LFC.

      Such a lack of commitment can only eventually kick your arse.
      « Last Edit: Jan 30, 2023 12:48:53 pm by stuey »
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      Reply #4035: Jan 30, 2023 12:52:44 pm
      Cancelo on loan to Bayern proves that Pep doesn't mess around and if a player is in decline he's shown the door. I wish Klopp stop being soft for once and get rid of players who don't deserve to be here.
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      Reply #4036: Jan 30, 2023 01:26:19 pm
      Cancelo on loan to Bayern proves that Pep doesn't mess around and if a player is in decline he's shown the door. I wish Klopp stop being soft for once and get rid of players who don't deserve to be here.

      Klopp can’t though. Pep can get whoever and as many as he wants to replace any player.
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      Reply #4037: Jan 30, 2023 01:28:36 pm
      Cancelo on loan to Bayern proves that Pep doesn't mess around and if a player is in decline he's shown the door. I wish Klopp stop being soft for once and get rid of players who don't deserve to be here.

      Pep has options though. Walker, Ake, Lewis.

      Klopp has a 37 year old CM a struggling CB or a 19 year old kid we paid 5 million for who shock horror is not ready for the PL.

      Right back always a position we have neglected over the years. There is no real pressure on Trent to pull his finger out.
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      Reply #4038: Jan 30, 2023 02:34:22 pm

      Just shows what a job Jürgen has done with the players brought in. What money was made available was in the main spent well. But players were attracted by, and bought into the vision, the brand of football.
      No pressure on Jürgen to leave in my book, from reasonable fans. It's one thing questioning some of his decisions, which is fine, everyone has opinions, and the boss is going through a tough period - but at the end of the day, how can you not back this man after what he has done since he arrived.

      FSG had their model, their plan to increase the sale of their asset, prudent investment into the playing squad, relying a fair bit on sell to buy, bricks and mortar updates to infra which is obviously good for the club. - but also very good for the owners.   Particularly in recent years, the squad has gradually stagnated, aged, with less sell to buy income, having put up huge miles on the clock.

      Jürgen has pointed out the lack of investment in his comments, without coming out and directly critizing the owners. He doesn't really complain about his lot, and rather than focus on the negatives, prefers to be positive and just get on with it. He not a Maureen who likes to play games and use the press, and maybe he suffers a little bit personally because of that, where he could maybe try to shift the focus elsewhere - he just takes results on board, doesn't call out players or owners or anyone else really in public, keeps things in the changing room. Hard not to respect the guy.

      As usual, it'll only be after he goes, that some people might take the time to reflect on how well he has actually done.
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      Reply #4039: Jan 30, 2023 02:50:55 pm
      Cancelo on loan to Bayern proves that Pep doesn't mess around and if a player is in decline he's shown the door. I wish Klopp stop being soft for once and get rid of players who don't deserve to be here.

      To make any kind of comparison between the two indicates a complete lack of judgement.
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      Reply #4040: Jan 30, 2023 03:05:21 pm
      In that period we have brought into the team


      Jota
      Diaz
      Elliott
      Núñez
      Thiago
      Bacjetic
      Gakpo
      Kostas
      Konate
      Ramsey

      Plus other young players into the teams


      We have added each year and looked to refresh - it’s not £300mil each year so people start to cry

      I agree with this.

      But the problem is the older guys have all fell away at the same time, too many injured or playing crap, causing the clusterfuk we have just now.

      We will add quality in the summer and we will be back to our next next season and seasons after, klopp will leave a good squad to take us forward when he finally goes.
      « Last Edit: Jan 30, 2023 03:20:37 pm by brezipool »
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      Reply #4041: Jan 30, 2023 03:19:35 pm
      Just shows what a job Jürgen has done with the players brought in. What money was made available was in the main spent well. But players were attracted by, and bought into the vision, the brand of football.
      No pressure on Jürgen to leave in my book, from reasonable fans. It's one thing questioning some of his decisions, which is fine, everyone has opinions, and the boss is going through a tough period - but at the end of the day, how can you not back this man after what he has done since he arrived.

      FSG had their model, their plan to increase the sale of their asset, prudent investment into the playing squad, relying a fair bit on sell to buy, bricks and mortar updates to infra which is obviously good for the club. - but also very good for the owners.   Particularly in recent years, the squad has gradually stagnated, aged, with less sell to buy income, having put up huge miles on the clock.

      Jürgen has pointed out the lack of investment in his comments, without coming out and directly critizing the owners. He doesn't really complain about his lot, and rather than focus on the negatives, prefers to be positive and just get on with it. He not a Maureen who likes to play games and use the press, and maybe he suffers a little bit personally because of that, where he could maybe try to shift the focus elsewhere - he just takes results on board, doesn't call out players or owners or anyone else really in public, keeps things in the changing room. Hard not to respect the guy.

      As usual, it'll only be after he goes, that some people might take the time to reflect on how well he has actually done.

      Klopp was employed because he is known to work well with that level of model , we all knew when they bought the club that FSG would allow the club to run sustainable without the need of loans etc


      To make it work needed the right people in the right roles and also to enhance the ability for the club to improve its level of income


      To do all that was always going to take time , there would always be peaks and troughs as we go through each season


      No one wanted the Man City or a manager that just bought teams

      Klopp brought us success and that’s made people want more - understandable but instead of allowing time for the team to rebuild again it’s wanted to be instant and now people want the billionaire to spend the money and go shopping for as much as possible


      Klopp knew the model and has been clear he is happy with it and clearly no issues when he signs new contract after new contract

      The club are always looking at the future - the signings over the last 18 months etc are pointing to the future and the signings in the summer will continue that mode


      It’s a tough watch trying to be paitent and having to deal with periods of drop offs - but it’s going to happen and it will happen again
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      Reply #4042: Jan 30, 2023 03:28:08 pm
      Cancelo on loan to Bayern proves that Pep doesn't mess around and if a player is in decline he's shown the door. I wish Klopp stop being soft for once and get rid of players who don't deserve to be here.

      The difference is Pep will be given the money to bring in who he wants.
      He has the luxury to turn over players in a way Klopp doesn't.

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      Reply #4043: Jan 30, 2023 03:32:18 pm
      He means the team has stood still in terms of recruiting and it most definitely has , there is no doubt in that , All top teams at their best add one or two quality additions every season we havnt and now we have a burnt out wreck .

      I would find it difficult for anyone to disagree with this. Look at Arsenal, they haven't even won anything?
      Chelsea spending 500m to catch up.
      We have given up on this season from about 3 games in and now the owners are selling why should they spend their money on a team that will finish 6th...
      We also bought the wrong players IMO, Carvalho, Nunez, Gapko, all fairly decent but just the wrong players
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      Reply #4044: Jan 30, 2023 04:25:43 pm
      Klopp commented on a couple of players not having the right body language during the match.

      Trent comes to mind when I hear this and I wonder if Thiago is the 2nd. Salah didn't have a great game but I thought he was hustling.

      We need to build a top 4 team for next season. My biggest question is whether we can bring in enough new people (or promote them from within) to replace all the guys who need to clear out.

      100% behind Klopp. Shouldn't even be a question of that.


      Think the bigger question is who is going to fund any new players
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      Reply #4045: Jan 30, 2023 04:28:09 pm
      Are you more concerned about the money spend table since 2019 or the trophies won since 2019

      We’re now paying for none investment now we won’t be winning any trophies this season and all downhill unless we invest SOON
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      Reply #4046: Jan 30, 2023 04:33:17 pm
      We’re now paying for none investment now we won’t be winning any trophies this season and all downhill unless we invest SOON

      No we aren’t


      We are paying from missing multiple players through injury and a drop in form and confidence after last season


      We have missed key players again this season through injury
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      Reply #4047: Jan 30, 2023 04:38:59 pm
      Think the bigger question is who is going to fund any new players

      The club will through its income


      Over the last 12 months we have bought

      Diaz
      Nunez
      Gakpo
      Ramsey
      Carvalho


      We are still buying players each year and window

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