Jürgen Klopp - LFC Manager (Part 2)

I am starting to worry, has Jürgen lost the dressing room

He's needs to get ruthless .... its his job on the line.

He needs to break them up ... and start again and if he's any contact with our wonderful hierarchy then he needs to tell them this is his intention.

No long hugs goodbye. Its the players that are the issue and it needs sorting out.

He's needs to get ruthless .... its his job on the line.

He needs to break them up ... and start again and if he's any contact with our wonderful hierarchy then he needs to tell them this is his intention.

No long hugs goodbye. Its the players that are the issue and it needs sorting out.

I agree its the players but if they wont work  ?

before Jürgen came FSG were lost his full seasons have been competitive and breath taking but we cant expect a team based from 2018 to last forever. Shankly was also blamed for too much loyalty and he went 6 years without a trophy but came close he retired the year later he died a few years later  the man had given us his everything . By now Jürgen should have a world beating squad of winners and able to tinker  around the edges as his team go from game to game destroying teams but he has had to make do and get the most out of some very avg players .
IF he doesnt get major financial backing in the summer I hope he calls it a day he has already given us more than some deserve.
I hope to god these players turn up for the Derby.

I am starting to worry, has Jürgen lost the dressing room

sh*t-stirring time.

Don't worry I'm sure the press and media will go with this line soon.

Sh*t-stirring time.

Don't worry I'm sure the press and media will go with this line soon.

Amazed they haven’t started with that rubbish already to be honest.

Has to be said that Mo very often, like Suarez before him, led and inspired this team. Take away his breathtaking brilliance and it does have an effect. Not just Mo, but his poor form has possibly the greatest effect.

Lack of application, desire or hiding, call it what you will is contagious and that is what is happening. These players aren't that old or tired that their form has gone completely out the window.

Trent, Gomez, Fabinho,Mo. Matip yesterday (contagion) . Others affected, Thiago, Robbo. It's been spreading through the team. Creeping from game to game.

Others coming back and stuffing somebody 4-0 might turn it around. Maintaining it might not be easy though.

When did we become a team that likes to have a technical midfield ? It went wrong in hindsight when we changed our style - we have no aggression, only bad tacklers and no fight in the middle

https://twitter.com/skysportspl/status/1622327094293446657?s=46&t=KW9gyZgv0ZWEmhLseatLhw

So is Carra right

So far this season we've blamed

Trent (called him arrogant and lazy, even tho theres literally zero evidence)
Blamed FSG (for not spending even though they have)
Blamed Salah (said we should sell him)
Blamed Fabhino (said he's 31 so he's past it)
Blamed Ox (he's started 3 games)
Blamed Firmino (31 is past it for all our players apparently)
and now we're saying Klopp lost the dressing room (apparently he's lost the entire dressing room in 6 months)

Pretty soon the body language experts are going to come out of the woodwork.

No one is talking about how much football we're played over the last 2/3 seasons with a shorter summer break for the World Cup and how much that is a factor in general. City are also not the same despite splashing the cash. We have a lot of injuries, I still believe our players being mentally and physically knackered is a big factor

It seems that over the last 11 games City have one more point than us -🤷‍♂️

Maybe it’s affecting them as well

No one is talking about how much football we're played over the last 2/3 seasons with a shorter summer break for the World Cup and how much that is a factor in general. City are also not the same despite splashing the cash. We have a lot of injuries, I still believe our players being mentally and physically knackered is a big factor

A few of us have to be fair.

It's definitely a factor

A few of us have to be fair.

It's definitely a factor

It’s imo the biggest factor

So far this season we've blamed

Trent (called him arrogant and lazy, even tho theres literally zero evidence)
Blamed FSG (for not spending even though they have)
Blamed Salah (said we should sell him)
Blamed Fabhino (said he's 31 so he's past it)
Blamed Ox (he's started 3 games)
Blamed Firmino (31 is past it for all our players apparently)
and now we're saying Klopp lost the dressing room (apparently he's lost the entire dressing room in 6 months)

Pretty soon the body language experts are going to come out of the woodwork.

No one is talking about how much football we're played over the last 2/3 seasons with a shorter summer break for the World Cup and how much that is a factor in general. City are also not the same despite splashing the cash. We have a lot of injuries, I still believe our players being mentally and physically knackered is a big factor

Of course mental and physical fatigue is a big factor. No one is disputing this. Its the reason why most of our senior players form has nose dived. And why new fresh player signings in the Summer was an absolute necessity.

City are not the same but that's because Pep is trying to play a new system. Yet they will still finish 2nd in the league minimum and likely win a cup.

https://twitter.com/skysportspl/status/1622327094293446657?s=46&t=KW9gyZgv0ZWEmhLseatLhw

So is Carra right

For once yes he is. 

So far this season we've blamed

Trent (called him arrogant and lazy, even tho theres literally zero evidence)
Blamed FSG (for not spending even though they have)
Blamed Salah (said we should sell him)
Blamed Fabhino (said he's 31 so he's past it)
Blamed Ox (he's started 3 games)
Blamed Firmino (31 is past it for all our players apparently)
and now we're saying Klopp lost the dressing room (apparently he's lost the entire dressing room in 6 months)

Pretty soon the body language experts are going to come out of the woodwork.

No one is talking about how much football we're played over the last 2/3 seasons with a shorter summer break for the World Cup and how much that is a factor in general. City are also not the same despite splashing the cash. We have a lot of injuries, I still believe our players being mentally and physically knackered is a big factor

Trent - no evidence if you're blind I guess.

Fsg - yeah They've spent FA

Salah - Nobody has said get rid. Its been mentioned we could get good money for him to rebuild ... as guess what ... FA support from the owners

Fabinho - he's 29 ... looks like he's 39. He's finished.

Ox - pretty much injured for 3 years. Not good enough and a liability. Gone end of June.

Firmino - Nobody has blamed Bob ... we've missed him.

City - look good to me for another prem ... in 3 competitions.

Talk about all the games you want. Last few games have been on a week's rest. We've been woeful. No excuse to not try. No excuse for continuing to start games looking like we got rolled out of bed 90 minutes before ko. No excuse for not being able to score from 5 yards out ... hit the target from 12 yards when completely free or just do the f*cking basics.

https://twitter.com/skysportspl/status/1622327094293446657?s=46&t=KW9gyZgv0ZWEmhLseatLhw

So is Carra right

Carra is just echoing what most of us are saying on here for months now.

Spent £120 mill on forwards when we needed a midfield.

One forward who cleary wouldn't suit our style in Nunez.

As Carra says that's on Klopp, or the recruitment team, or whoever makes our transfer decisions.

For once yes he is.

The question for me is - money was there in Jan window again but why did they go for Gakpo and not a midfielder 🤷‍♂️

Carra is just echoing what most of us are saying on here for months now.

Spent £120 mill on forwards when we needed a midfield.

One forward who cleary wouldn't suit our style in Nunez.

As Carra says that's on Klopp, or the recruitment team, or whoever makes our transfer decisions.

So why did they spend all that money on forwards instead of Midfielders 🤷‍♂️

Gapko and Nunez are having an absolute nightmare — F***ing praying for Diaz and Bobby to come back and play jota as well

The question for me is - money was there in Jan window again but why did they go for Gakpo and not a midfielder 🤷‍♂️

No idea mate surprised it's not been bounced off Jürgen at the pressers although you can imagine how he would greet that question.

Carra is just echoing what most of us are saying on here for months now.

Spent £120 mill on forwards when we needed a midfield.

One forward who cleary wouldn't suit our style in Nunez.

As Carra says that's on Klopp, or the recruitment team, or whoever makes our transfer decisions.

Mane, Taki and Origi left - so needed a signing up front, Nunez came in - remains to be seen if that was money well spent,

Gapko is hard to understand, especially after the start to the season, and the clear need in midfield.

But the need in midfield has been there a long time.

To be fair before the season started there were plenty on here who said either we didn't need a midfielder or who expressed great caution that we take our time to find the right one because that's how we do things and there's no need to change course etc.

The truth is the midfield problem has been a long time in the making. Steps should have been taken long before last summer to anticipate the inevitable departures of Ox and Keita and the decline of the others. Only one our midfielders is on the up and he's a young kid. It should never have taken our season going completely tits up for us to recognise the issues in this area of the team.

I think the real issue is how quickly certain players have dropped in form and how far they have dropped.
These ‘past it’ midfielders were part of a team just 8 months ago that finished with over 90 points and almost won the lot.

The energy and enthusiasm has completely gone from our squad. Nobody looks happy. The mentality has popped like a Chinese ‘weather’ balloon.

But it’s not just the midfield.
The strikers aren’t gelling and every chance is spooned like a Christian benteke master class and our defence are literally gifting the opposition goals.

The entire team, including Klopp, look desperate and exhausted. Positivity has vanished.

Maybe we do need a new midfield, but for me it feels like something has broken. Or maybe we were like a firework. Building up and up and up to an amazing spectacle and then crashing back to earth in an instant.

It all just looks very sad at the minute.