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      Jürgen Klopp - LFC Manager - 2019/20 Edition

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      Reply #500: Jan 29, 2020 09:14:29 am
      Its true, FA Cup is now way down pecking order.

      And as noted above neutral ground for semi final was way better.

      Its the same in scotland, the have semi finals at hampden, its half empty most times. I went with Motherwell couple of years ago, we took a good crowd, but we can never get anywhere near celtic or rangers for crowds, so why not have it at a smaller ground that we both can fill.

      They make teams from Aberdeen & Edinburgh come to glasgow for a 12pm KO or something. fuk me the fans have to leave home at like 6am or something, and no chance of getting to a pub before game. they dont care about match going fans, only getting more games on TV.
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      Reply #501: Jan 29, 2020 10:13:11 am
      there seems to be an assumption that we will get beat in the replay when we win a lot of people are going to have to eat a large slice of humble pie. Anfield is a lot different for these lads to play than Villa Park.
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      Reply #502: Jan 29, 2020 10:21:07 am
      there seems to be an assumption that we will get beat in the replay when we win a lot of people are going to have to eat a large slice of humble pie. Anfield is a lot different for these lads to play than Villa Park.

      Quite right Walt. I can see us winning, we have some cracking players in the u23s.

      Some winners in there too, FA youth cup last year. :)
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      Reply #503: Jan 29, 2020 10:48:18 am
      Quite right Walt. I can see us winning, we have some cracking players in the u23s.

      Some winners in there too, FA youth cup last year. :)

      look how well the young lads did against Everton a full house at Anfield is a huge boost for them to show just what they have to offer.
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      Reply #504: Jan 29, 2020 10:58:41 am
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      And don't forget that that as soon as The FA get the games to their beloved Wembley they give each club playing about 20k tickets each and give the other 50k to a gang of f**king toffs or whatever.

      It was never any different. The football family was, and is more important to the FA than the football fan.

      There was no need for the replay. If they don't need it from the next round, they don't need it in this round either, even more so with the winter break issue. They knew about this chestnut 18 months ago, plenty of time to do something about it. Instead they did nothing, so apparently it's our fault for taking a stand because they refuse to budge an inch with their schedule. This is the second time we've been discommoded in less than 2 months, and after 4 years of trying to reason with them without any success, Jürgen has finally said enough is enough.

      Even if there was a need for replays, the next round is 6 WEEKS AWAY, plenty of time to fit replays in. It could have been this week, it could have been the end of next month. It doesn't have to be next week or not at all. So Jürgen isn't disrespecting the cup by not showing up, he would do so as normal if it was not during the winter break. To him, the break is sacrosanct. So the naysayers are talking about either something that's none of their business or pointing the finger of blame in the wrong direction.
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      Reply #505: Jan 29, 2020 11:51:51 am
      look how well the young lads did against Everton a full house at Anfield is a huge boost for them to show just what they have to offer.

      It's a great opportunity for them, but understand how different the team will be than the one vs. Everton.
      (players who won't be involved and who will come in - best guess - in italics)

      vs. Everton
      Adrian, Williams, Gomez, Phillips, Milner, Chirivella, Lallana, Jones, Elliott, Minamino, Origi
      Subs: Larouci (Played 84 minutes), Ox, Brewster)

      vs. Shrewsbury
      Kelleher, Williams, Hoever, Van den Berg, Larouci, Chrivella, Adam Lewis, Elijah Dixon-Bonner, Elliott, Joe Hardie, Jones

      It's the right thing for Jürgen to do, and the team is capable of beating Shrewsbury at Anfield, but don't underestimate how much taller a task this will be given the lineup changes between the two games.
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      Reply #506: Jan 29, 2020 12:00:41 pm
      look how well the young lads did against Everton a full house at Anfield is a huge boost for them to show just what they have to offer.

      100%   :scarf:
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      Reply #507: Jan 29, 2020 12:03:33 pm
      It's a great opportunity for them, but understand how different the team will be than the one vs. Everton.
      (players who won't be involved and who will come in - best guess - in italics)

      vs. Everton
      Adrian, Williams, Gomez, Phillips, Milner, Chirivella, Lallana, Jones, Elliott, Minamino, Origi
      Subs: Larouci (Played 84 minutes), Ox, Brewster)

      vs. Shrewsbury
      Kelleher, Williams, Hoever, Van den Berg, Larouci, Chrivella, Adam Lewis, Elijah Dixon-Bonner, Elliott, Joe Hardie, Jones

      It's the right thing for Jürgen to do, and the team is capable of beating Shrewsbury at Anfield, but don't underestimate how much taller a task this will be given the lineup changes between the two games.

      true, but at least 8 or 9 of those lads have 1st team experience now, and train with 1st team every day.
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      Reply #508: Jan 29, 2020 12:10:40 pm
      Just seen the ticket prices for the FA Cup game are £15.

      Seems quite high for a youth game, does it not?
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      Reply #509: Jan 29, 2020 12:25:47 pm
      Just seen the ticket prices for the FA Cup game are £15.

      Seems quite high for a youth game, does it not?

      LOL   Think they reduced them quite a lot. Im sure I seen kids tickets only £8 or £9 ?
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      Reply #510: Jan 29, 2020 12:28:50 pm
      LOL   Think they reduced them quite a lot. Im sure I seen kids tickets only £8 or £9 ?

      Yeah, I posted this in another thread -

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      Good to see #LFC cutting ticket prices for FA Cup fourth round replay v Shrewsbury Town. Smart move.
      £15 for adults
      £5 for young adults
      £1 for kids

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      Decision made after discussions with both Shrewsbury Town and supporters groups.
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      Reply #511: Jan 29, 2020 12:33:03 pm
      Just seen the ticket prices for the FA Cup game are £15.

      Seems quite high for a youth game, does it not?

      Cost me £3 to watch the u23s at Anfield a few months ago - Should have been a tenner tops IMO
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      Reply #512: Jan 29, 2020 01:06:49 pm
      Cost me £3 to watch the u23s at Anfield a few months ago - Should have been a tenner tops IMO

      local schools could have been given tickets in one section its still going to be a sell out and on TV no doubt .
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      Reply #513: Jan 29, 2020 01:18:13 pm
      local schools could have been given tickets in one section its still going to be a sell out and on TV no doubt .

      It'll be a sellout in terms of tickets sold but there'll be thousands of empty seats. People will be buying just to have the credit on their account for future sales
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      Reply #514: Jan 29, 2020 01:21:39 pm
      Yeah, I posted this in another thread -


      Good stuff. wish I was local for that game.
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      Reply #515: Jan 29, 2020 01:29:21 pm
      It'll be a sellout in terms of tickets sold but there'll be thousands of empty seats. People will be buying just to have the credit on their account for future sales

      Hope not those who take a ticket and don't show should be penalised. I think this is what Pep was pissed of about the attendance figures did not relate to the people in the ground the same with UTD too.
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      Reply #516: Jan 29, 2020 02:48:31 pm
      Hope not those who take a ticket and don't show should be penalised. I think this is what Pep was pissed of about the attendance figures did not relate to the people in the ground the same with UTD too.
      What, people do that? I mean why would you buy a ticket in the first place if you are not going to show up, no matter what game.
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      Reply #517: Jan 29, 2020 02:50:07 pm
      It'll be a sellout in terms of tickets sold but there'll be thousands of empty seats. People will be buying just to have the credit on their account for future sales

      Is there not a legal platform of some type where ticket-buyers not planning to attend can give or sell at face value to people who want to attend?
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      Reply #518: Jan 29, 2020 03:14:15 pm
      Is there not a legal platform of some type where ticket-buyers not planning to attend can give or sell at face value to people who want to attend?

      There is a return option where tickets can be refunded and then the club sell them back to members in additional sales but I think it's only for league games.

      The problem with Tuesday's game is the majority of seats will be Auto Cup seats (this is like a season ticket for cup competitions, you opt in at the start of the season and get the same seat guaranteed for each home game in the cup) With the FA Cup being played usually on Saturday / Sunday a lot of supporters who live outside the city would have opted in knowing they'll be able to travel down on weekends. Now with the replay being scheduled on a Tuesday night a lot won't be able to make it, and those that can probably won't fancy the drive to watch the u23s managed by the u23 manager. But they also can't opt out as it'll cancel their seat for subsequent rounds if we get through and also push them down the priority list for getting on the scheme next season, as it's based on loyalty/previous games attended
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      Reply #519: Jan 29, 2020 03:27:46 pm
      There is a return option where tickets can be refunded and then the club sell them back to members in additional sales but I think it's only for league games.

      The problem with Tuesday's game is the majority of seats will be Auto Cup seats (this is like a season ticket for cup competitions, you opt in at the start of the season and get the same seat guaranteed for each home game in the cup) With the FA Cup being played usually on Saturday / Sunday a lot of supporters who live outside the city would have opted in knowing they'll be able to travel down on weekends. Now with the replay being scheduled on a Tuesday night a lot won't be able to make it, and those that can probably won't fancy the drive to watch the u23s managed by the u23 manager. But they also can't opt out as it'll cancel their seat for subsequent rounds if we get through and also push them down the priority list for getting on the scheme next season, as it's based on loyalty/previous games attended

      Thanks for explaining in detail. I would think in the age of computers/Internet that (at least for replays) an autocup participant could indicate online his/her inability to be at the game, not be penalized but make that ticket available at least at a stadium ticket window, right up until kickoff.

      I know this is me speaking as an American where there is no stigma about fans walking up to a stadium without tickets, or fear about duplicate/counterfeit tickets. It may be that the instance of replays is not common enough to make it worth the club's while in setting something like this up. Still, it seems woeful if there are thousands of empty seats when there are many more than that, even on Merseyside, who would love to attend the game.
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      Reply #520: Jan 29, 2020 03:34:46 pm
      Thanks for explaining in detail. I would think in the age of computers/Internet that (at least for replays) an autocup participant could indicate online his/her inability to be at the game, not be penalized but make that ticket available at least at a stadium ticket window, right up until kickoff.

      I know this is me speaking as an American where there is no stigma about fans walking up to a stadium without tickets, or fear about duplicate/counterfeit tickets. It may be that the instance of replays is not common enough to make it worth the club's while in setting something like this up. Still, it seems woeful if there are thousands of empty seats when there are many more than that, even on Merseyside, who would love to attend the game.

      Yep that's it, I think the club should have offered people on the scheme some sort of one off opt-out for the fixture due to the circumstances. That way you'd have had a lot / if not all of those empty seats being taken up
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      Reply #521: Jan 29, 2020 03:55:53 pm
      Apparently the replay won’t be televised.
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      Reply #522: Jan 29, 2020 09:56:57 pm
      What I want to see as long as we’re talking about U23s and lower division clubs, is for the biggest Premier League clubs to field teams in Leagues One, Two and the Conference National, similar to what is done in Germany. I think Jürgen has advocated for this before, when he was initially reluctant to loan players out.

      This would be a massive upgrade to the competition level our best young players receive in the Premier League 2.  It would avoid us having to loan players out to various smaller sides and hope that the players get match time (I know we include playing time requirements on these loans but just this month we have had to recall three or four young players from their loans for not playing enough).
      In Germany there are I believe 12 clubs that choose to make the investment of fielding a 2nd team. There may be more but if so, they play beneath the fifth tier. Most of the 12 II teams are in the 4th division (regional leagues) and the highest they can go is the third tier (currently only Bayern Munich II are there). Absorbing that many new “teams” would require Conference National to split into two divisions (two of 18 teams each) the way level 6 does for Conference North and Conference South.
      I’m not entirely sure how the transfer rules work between the parent club and the lower tier team. AS I understand it the U23 players can move up to the senior team if needed, but the senior players cannot move back and forth so freely. Of course the clubs could come up with whatever rules that suit them.

      The biggest thing is that the players would stay at the club, still have the same training, facilities, medical and nutritional programs, etc.

      I know some of the smaller provincial clubs would object to this just outright, but you probably would have the bigger clubs or the Premier League pay something to the other clubs for the privilege of competing against their first team professionals year-round.  In Germany by the way, those II teams do not play in the national Cup (just saying).

      To me, as long as we are talking about moving into the 21st century with scrapping Cup replays and having a winter break, etc., we should keep moving in that direction and really provide a proper competitive format for the players we are supposedly trying to develop.


      Totally agree.  It has been discussed before on this forum and in general.  But it never gets the green light.   It is the most natural way of developing players under one vision.   The thing is it would even help the national team too. 
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      Reply #523: Jan 29, 2020 10:11:00 pm
      just love his interviews and the guy from LFC TV seems to always ask decent questions rather than obvious ones. I think Jürgen like us can smell it but like us is loathe to do anything to jinx it. We owe this man and his staff so much
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      Reply #524: Jan 30, 2020 09:30:20 am
      Imagine doubting the fella!

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