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      Jürgen Klopp - LFC Manager (Part 2)

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      Re: Jürgen Klopp - LFC Manager - 2019/20 Edition
      Reply #46: Jul 18, 2019 06:29:53 pm

      Slightly ashamed to reveal my levels of geekiness and admit I not only draw diagrams, but use Visio to map out movements and positional play, so I understand his teams and tactics better.

      Retirement is fun.
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      Reply #47: Jul 18, 2019 09:17:47 pm
      Slightly ashamed to reveal my levels of geekiness and admit I not only draw diagrams, but use Visio to map out movements and positional play, so I understand his teams and tactics better.

      Retirement is fun.

      Speaking of geeky, the diagrams indicate the Dortmund holding mid didn't drop back even with the center backs in build up the way ours does (Lallana in this case). I wonder if that is correct about them when he was there
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      Reply #48: Jul 18, 2019 09:30:48 pm
      Speaking of geeky, the diagrams indicate the Dortmund holding mid didn't drop back even with the center backs in build up the way ours does (Lallana in this case). I wonder if that is correct about them when he was there

      That particular formation looks 4231 rather than 433, so more a box formation centrally like this;

                                                         Bender                 Gundogan


                                                         Santana                Subotic

      We use the same formation some games, and chnge to it from 433 in some matches, depending on what's happening.
      It looks more defensive, but is actually more attacking because the FB push up further.

      It's also worth noting that these are not really set positions in the traditional sense, but more like guidelines for the basic shape, which in turn is fluid, and is meant to provide an idea of the platform he wants for attacking.

      When the players drill in these formations constantly, it becomes like muscle memory, and fluidity increases, with the idea being that certain situations should be dealt with (or moved into) seamlessly.

      It's why I don't get hung up on starting formations.
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      Re: Jürgen Klopp - LFC Manager - 2019/20 Edition
      Reply #49: Jul 19, 2019 08:56:56 pm
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      Since when are we “not able” to improve the squad ?

      Have you even considered the fact it’s Klopps decisions about player purchases and if no one arrive it’s because he doesn’t see anyone that he thinks will add what he wants ?

      He's doing a damage limitation job, saying all the right things about why we haven't signed players. As he did for years, when people asked him about the goalkeeper and defender issues we had every week.

      Finishing in the top 4 is meant to give you an advantage in boosting the squad, as is Winning the European Cup. Where has all the revenue from last season gone? It's not going on improving the squad, that's for sure.

      We face City and Chelsea for major trophies in the next couple of weeks. We're about to enter possibly our busiest season ever, and need enough resources to cope. We don't want to face Spurs and the mancs during the traditional post-Christmas slump, with the squad stretched to the limit again. The alternative is another 9 months bemoaning how City can chop and change players every week, and we can't. He's saying what he has to say in public, but one reserve centre back, is a long way short of what we need.
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      Reply #50: Jul 19, 2019 09:00:25 pm
      He's doing a damage limitation job, saying all the right things about why we haven't signed players. As he did for years, when people asked him about the goalkeeper and defender issues we had every week.

      Finishing in the top 4 is meant to give you an advantage in boosting the squad, as is Winning the European Cup. Where has all the revenue from last season gone? It's not going on improving the squad, that's for sure.

      We face City and Chelsea for major trophies in the next couple of weeks. We're about to enter possibly our busiest season ever, and need enough resources to cope. We don't want to face Spurs and the mancs during the traditional post-Christmas slump, with the squad stretched to the limit again. The alternative is another 9 months bemoaning how City can chop and change players every week, and we can't. He's saying what he has to say in public, but one reserve centre back, is a long way short of what we need.

      Stop talking sh*te

      And anyone who thinks the “community” shield is a major trophy needs to have their head read - it’s a pre season irrelevant friendly

      And we have 4 CB’s btw
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      Reply #51: Jul 19, 2019 09:19:13 pm
      He's doing a damage limitation job, saying all the right things about why we haven't signed players. As he did for years, when people asked him about the goalkeeper and defender issues we had every week.

      Finishing in the top 4 is meant to give you an advantage in boosting the squad, as is Winning the European Cup. Where has all the revenue from last season gone? It's not going on improving the squad, that's for sure.

      We face City and Chelsea for major trophies in the next couple of weeks. We're about to enter possibly our busiest season ever, and need enough resources to cope. We don't want to face Spurs and the mancs during the traditional post-Christmas slump, with the squad stretched to the limit again. The alternative is another 9 months bemoaning how City can chop and change players every week, and we can't. He's saying what he has to say in public, but one reserve centre back, is a long way short of what we need.

      The charity shield and club world cup are major trophies?...really?

      Do all of us a favor and go sign up on the Dalian Yifang forum..and continue your lifelong pursuit of Rafa and leave the rest of us the F**k alone.
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      Reply #52: Jul 19, 2019 10:16:56 pm
      Finishing in the top 4 is meant to give you an advantage in boosting the squad

      But according to you, something you’ve stated in the Rafa thread many times - Klopp wasn’t brought into the club to win the league, he was brought to the club with the job of having us finish in the top 4.
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      Reply #53: Jul 19, 2019 10:41:23 pm
      Which is correct, from the owners perspective.

      We can argue the toss over whether facing up to City these days with silverware at stake, is a friendly or not. The Club World Cup though is a major competition, and everyone will recognise that when we win it for the first time.
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      Reply #54: Jul 20, 2019 12:15:33 am
      The Boss seems happy enough with his striking options. He has: Salah,Mane,Firmino,Origi,Brewster,Woodburn,Wilson,Awoniyi. Is it enough given our expectations etc.Would another experienced striker go amiss. Might not be a problem short term but get a bit deeper in. Injuries, loss of form.

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      Reply #55: Jul 20, 2019 12:42:09 am
      The Boss seems happy enough with his striking options. He has: Salah,Mane,Firmino,Origi,Brewster,Woodburn,Wilson,Awoniyi. Is it enough given our expectations etc.Would another experienced striker go amiss. Might not be a problem short term but get a bit deeper in. Injuries, loss of form.



      To be fair, given our expectations, there is only actually 4 recognised and proven players in your list. Even then I wouldn't put Origi as a reliable option over the course of a full season given our expectations. Granted he scored some massively important goals and they were goals that will go down in history...BUT, on the whole performance wise, he was clearly someway off the level of the main 3.

      But Klopp knows what he's doing, he's developed enough players for us to put our faith in him where Brewster in particular is concerned, a player he seems to rate very highly. That's one of the many good things about Klopp, he wont go out an panic buy to add to our ranks, if he signs a player then it's because the club has genuinely done it's homework on the player. After all, this was a manager who put 100% faith in an 18 year old, inexperienced RB over an established first team and International player and it proved to be a damn good decision.
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      Reply #56: Jul 20, 2019 02:26:26 am
      He's doing a damage limitation job, saying all the right things about why we haven't signed players. As he did for years, when people asked him about the goalkeeper and defender issues we had every week.

      Finishing in the top 4 is meant to give you an advantage in boosting the squad, as is Winning the European Cup. Where has all the revenue from last season gone? It's not going on improving the squad, that's for sure.

      We face City and Chelsea for major trophies in the next couple of weeks. We're about to enter possibly our busiest season ever, and need enough resources to cope. We don't want to face Spurs and the mancs during the traditional post-Christmas slump, with the squad stretched to the limit again. The alternative is another 9 months bemoaning how City can chop and change players every week, and we can't. He's saying what he has to say in public, but one reserve centre back, is a long way short of what we need.


      For fucks sake, man. Did you stop taking your meds or something?
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      Reply #57: Jul 20, 2019 12:36:19 pm
      Can we get back to Klopp now please?

      AZ posted an interesting article in one of the transfer threads about how we keep our business quiet/secret.

      No doubt Klopp is on board with that, and if we bring someone in, he will give them the full Klopp treatment.
      I wonder sometimes, is there a player who hasn't played for him before that could slot right in.
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      Reply #58: Jul 20, 2019 01:45:33 pm
      Can we get back to Klopp now please?

      AZ posted an interesting article in one of the transfer threads about how we keep our business quiet/secret.

      No doubt Klopp is on board with that, and if we bring someone in, he will give them the full Klopp treatment.
      I wonder sometimes, is there a player who hasn't played for him before that could slot right in.

      Mbappe..😎
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      Reply #59: Jul 20, 2019 02:05:46 pm
      Can we get back to Klopp now please?

      AZ posted an interesting article in one of the transfer threads about how we keep our business quiet/secret.

      No doubt Klopp is on board with that, and if we bring someone in, he will give them the full Klopp treatment.
      I wonder sometimes, is there a player who hasn't played for him before that could slot right in.

      You mean someone with such good football.IQ that he could pick up the system with all it's nuances straightaway?
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      Reply #60: Jul 20, 2019 03:06:28 pm
      You mean someone with such good football.IQ that he could pick up the system with all it's nuances straightaway?

      Yes, but plural systems, becuse we have about half a dozen that I've been able to see, which means there's probably 20  :laugh:
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      Reply #61: Jul 20, 2019 10:13:00 pm
      not sure if its been mentioned before but apparently Jürgen will now allow the lads to touch the "This is Anfield" sign now they are Champions they deserve it
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      Reply #64: Jul 21, 2019 01:28:07 pm
      The Boss seems happy enough with his striking options. He has: Salah,Mane,Firmino,Origi,Brewster,Woodburn,Wilson,Awoniyi. Is it enough given our expectations etc.Would another experienced striker go amiss. Might not be a problem short term but get a bit deeper in. Injuries, loss of form.
      Shaqiri behind the kids on the depth chart now?
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      Reply #65: Jul 21, 2019 01:45:09 pm
      Shaqiri behind the kids on the depth chart now?

      he is injured
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      Reply #67: Jul 21, 2019 02:08:07 pm
      He's doing a damage limitation job, saying all the right things about why we haven't signed players. As he did for years, when people asked him about the goalkeeper and defender issues we had every week.

      Finishing in the top 4 is meant to give you an advantage in boosting the squad, as is Winning the European Cup. Where has all the revenue from last season gone? It's not going on improving the squad, that's for sure.

      We face City and Chelsea for major trophies in the next couple of weeks. We're about to enter possibly our busiest season ever, and need enough resources to cope. We don't want to face Spurs and the mancs during the traditional post-Christmas slump, with the squad stretched to the limit again. The alternative is another 9 months bemoaning how City can chop and change players every week, and we can't. He's saying what he has to say in public, but one reserve centre back, is a long way short of what we need.

      How many players we got on the books? How many allowed in the squad before the season starts? Players aren't just gonna sign when they know they could be just sat on the bench. We're looking now for better players to replace what we have in the first team or to replace what is currently sitting on the bench. Not about bulk buying this pre-season.
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      Reply #68: Jul 21, 2019 02:11:03 pm

      I get the feeling he's a bit of a luxury player in that he doesn't do or put in the same graft as someone like Bobby.

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