Jürgen Klopp - LFC Manager (Part 2)

the worst part is we have to endure the sh*te from the likes of Talksport Sky Sport and the BBC with their experts like Neville who couldnt manage a sweet shop. Has Pep lost the dressing room  too?

Apparently so if you believe all the press sh*t this morning. Haaland wants out and Guardiola is the reason for all the friction in the dressing room.

He didn’t make those deals, Klopp wanted Darwin and Pep wanted Gakpo.

Back to the regurgitation of the Brendan era, all we need is the transfer committee to make a comeback!!

Seems to be a bit more pressure on the boss with some recent comments/articles.

Like, churn in backroom staff, and maybe he has too much power?

But no talk that I can see about fact that the club owners want out / club is up for sale - and that that might be something making employees a bit unsettled - new owner comes in, sweeps away a lot of existing staff - it happens - people get unsettled, maybe think about going somewhere more stable.

Again, just flapping lips, like the journos. 

Not saying Jürgen is unquestionable - like this Gapko signing seems hard to understand, his formations given form etc. And we don't really know whats going on behind the scenes.

But when I look at the first XI that is starting games right now, it's not good enough to compete at a top level. That should be the no1 priority.

And hopefully Jürgen will be sticking around through all this sh*te to have a go at fixing that.

Seems to be a bit more pressure on the boss with some recent comments/articles.

Like, churn in backroom staff, and maybe he has too much power?

But no talk that I can see about fact that the club owners want out / club is up for sale - and that that might be something making employees a bit unsettled - new owner comes in, sweeps away a lot of existing staff - it happens - people get unsettled, maybe think about going somewhere more stable.

Again, just flapping lips, like the journos. 

Not saying Jürgen is unquestionable - like this Gapko signing seems hard to understand, his formations given form etc. And we don't really know whats going on behind the scenes.

But when I look at the first XI that is starting games right now, it's not good enough to compete at a top level. That should be the no1 priority.

And hopefully Jürgen will be sticking around through all this sh*te to have a go at fixing that.

Sorry but the starting 11 many times this season has been good enough to beat the likes of

Leeds
Forest
Wolves
Palace
Brentford
Brighton

Every single first 11 on paper are good enough the match the teams we have lost too

The players that played are the same players that helped the club go for all four trophies


They haven’t suddenly become not good enough

This is more than just players needing replacing

We need to stop looking at recruitment as the reason for the issues

The players that played are the same players that helped the club go for all four trophies

Exactly. And we haven't strengthened. Keep going to the same well

If you think that a starting midfield of Keita/Bacjetic/Thiago is good enough to win PL matches then good luck to you

Sorry but the starting 11 many times this season has been good enough to beat the likes of

Leeds
Forest
Wolves
Palace
Brentford
Brighton

They obviously haven't.

Exactly. And we haven't strengthened. Keep going to the same well

If you think that a starting midfield of Keita/Bacjetic/Thiago is good enough to win PL matches then good luck to you

We spent £130mil on that team

Maybe it’s because they bought the wrong players as opposed to not spending enough

But the teams we have put out on the pitch on paper going by ability should be beating the teams we have lost too

We spent £130mil on that team

Maybe it’s because they bought the wrong players as opposed to not spending enough

But the teams we have put out on the pitch on paper going by ability should be beating the teams we have lost too

We lost three forward players, bringing in 70 odd mill - and those funds were used to bring in replacements.
Remains to be seen how they work out long term.
Think everyone is a bit surprised by the Gapko signing and the timing.

We've been putting the same player's names out on paper for the last few years, that's the problem, and the same guys can't continue to compete at the top level forever.

We lost three forward players, bringing in 70 odd mill - and those funds were used to bring in replacements.
Remains to be seen how they work out long term.
Think everyone is a bit surprised by the Gapko signing and the timing.

We've been putting the same player's names out on paper for the last few years, that's the problem, and the same guys can't continue to compete at the top level forever.

Do you think on paper we have a better 11 plus subs than Wolves on Saturday

Do you think on paper we have a better 11 plus subs than Wolves on Saturday

If you look at the fees for each player, team by team, add them up, and compare - we should win.

But don't think anyone was surprised when we lost.  You don't win on paper.

Presume though your point is that you can't blame FSG for us not beating Wolves, if 'on paper' we should win?  Or maybe it's that Jürgen should be getting more out of them?

Not going down the whole FSG rabbit hole again here in this thread.

But could Jürgen be getting more out of them. Maybe change formation. Maybe drop Mo or Nunez.  Or whatever.  Possibly.   That's up for discussion.

Trying to eek past Wolves though is one thing - getting this squad back to a place where it can challenge for the PL or CL - another thing entirely.

If you look at the fees for each player, team by team, add them up, and compare - we should win.

But don't think anyone was surprised when we lost.  You don't win on paper.

Presume though your point is that you can't blame FSG for us not beating Wolves, if 'on paper' we should win?  Or maybe it's that Jürgen should be getting more out of them?

Not going down the whole FSG rabbit hole again here in this thread.

But could Jürgen be getting more out of them. Maybe change formation. Maybe drop Mo or Nunez.  Or whatever.  Possibly.   That's up for discussion.

Trying to eek past Wolves though is one thing - getting this squad back to a place where it can challenge for the PL or CL - another thing entirely.

I believe thah whilst the squad isn’t at its peak and needs improvements

They should also be doing better on the pitch


We should be beating the likes of Leeds etc


And that’s where Klopp needs to find a way to get the best out of the players he has

We should be up with the likes of Utd and Newcastle , their squads aren’t bigger than ours

Still feel the main issue is we have lost a world class player in mane

A vey good player in Diaz and jota

And replaced them with a Nunez who isn’t as good, not even close imo and it’s costing us gapko isn’t doing it either, so we suddenly have two poor players up top who can’t score

With two quick attackers with salah who have quality, we score more goals and take the pressure off

The team also needs new leaders, for example I think matip and Gomez are good enough as squad players but poor leaders, so we need to get rid of one and bring in another who can be a no nonsense type, we actually have one which klopp won’t use for some reason

Problem is we don’t have the money to bring in 4-5 players to sort this out

Still feel the main issue is we have lost a world class player in mane

A vey good player in Diaz and jota

And replaced them with a Nunez who isn’t as good, not even close imo and it’s costing us gapko isn’t doing it either, so we suddenly have two poor players up top who can’t score

With two quick attackers with salah who have quality, we score more goals and take the pressure off

The team also needs new leaders, for example I think matip and Gomez are good enough as squad players but poor leaders, so we need to get rid of one and bring in another who can be a no nonsense type, we actually have one which klopp won’t use for some reason

Problem is we don’t have the money to bring in 4-5 players to sort this out

If KeeptheFaith has lost faith then we’re really fu**ed.

Do you think on paper we have a better 11 plus subs than Wolves on Saturday

Games aren't played on paper. I don't think there is one supporter that honestly felt confident that we would win, knowing the players that we had at our disposal.

Games aren't played on paper. I don't think there is one supporter that honestly felt confident that we would win, knowing the players that we had at our disposal.

Those same players have proven to everyone that when playing at their level they can beat anyone....anywhere...esp ecially relegation fodder. That they didn't because they're playing below their standard is on them.

Those same players have proven to everyone that when playing at their level they can beat anyone....anywhere...esp ecially relegation fodder. That they didn't because they're playing below their standard is on them.

Well if they are playing below standard then they need replaced correct?

Well if they are playing below standard then they need replaced correct?

Or you find ways for them to find their form again

If they can't get themselves up for the Derby then there's no hope at all.
They just don't seem to want to motivate themselves and despite many saying it's Klopp's job to get them up for a match, if the players can't be ar**ed/are too knackered it won't matter what he says or does.

Or you find ways for them to find their form again

So you are saying it’s Klopp’s fault they aren’t playing to standard?

So you are saying it’s Klopp’s fault they aren’t playing to standard?

How on earth did you come to a conclusion like that based on what I said

If we consider, at the pinnacle our success under JK, a number of our current squad were younger and fitter; plus the fact the squad 2+ years ago was better balanced (better players?) Looking back at great sides (pick any club)...they all ultimately fizzle out and a new cycle begins. This is where we are now, and I think its only just dawned on all concerned.

How on earth did you come to a conclusion like that based on what I said

It’s not hard, don’t act so put out. 😢

If the players aren’t playing to standard and it’s not their fault, then whose fault is it? The manager is responsible for getting the players ready to play no?

If it’s the players fault then we obviously need new players.

You will do any mental gymnastics you can to make sure you don’t ever have to admit that maybe the players we have aren’t up to snuff and we need to replace some of them.

It’s not hard, don’t act so put out. 😢

If the players aren’t playing to standard and it’s not their fault, then whose fault is it? The manager is responsible for getting the players ready to play no?

If it’s the players fault then we obviously need new players.

You will do any mental gymnastics you can to make sure you don’t ever have to admit that maybe the players we have aren’t up to snuff and we need to replace some of them.

For me we need two CM and along with they a huge rethink on how we set up and play football.

Looking at things in the summer I thought we were fine in midfield but the combination of lack of form, decline of senior players and injury has made me really rethink that one.

Along with that though Jürgen has made some bizarre decisions at times and we also seem to have recruited in a more scattergun fashion than we ever have done under FSG. The manager needs to take a share of the blame for sticking by players who never seemed to be finding any form and also persisting with tactics that dont fit the squad as it is right now.

Big summer ahead for all involved and no one comes out of this season with much credit for me

So you are saying it’s Klopp’s fault they aren’t playing to standard?

Of course it is. This team should be 5th or 6th at worst. Any competent coach should be able to play that level of football with this kind of talent. Since we know or can assume that Klopp is a competent coach I see only the following alternatives:

-many players are burnt out due to Klopp‘s style over the last 3 years,
-many players do not like Klopp and are bored of him, therefore playing against him,
-opponents have figured out Klopp‘s style, unknown to Klopp himself
-Klopp himself is burnt out

No matter how you turn it - it does not look good, and especially it does not look like transfers are the answer to fix it. This is when you need a director or club hero like Kenny to look at things from an higher perspective and to open Jürgen‘s eyes.