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      Have we closed the gap on Man City this summer?

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      Robby The Z
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      Re: Have we closed the gap on Man City this summer?
      Reply #25: Jul 26, 2019 04:06:14 pm
      We will be neck and neck with City for the league again. Our squad is good enough to win, and So is City's.

      Maybe we will still bring someone in, but it will ultimately come down to tactical preparation, team management and player performance.

      We're in the competition and now we play the matches.
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      Re: Have we closed the gap on Man City this summer?
      Reply #26: Jul 26, 2019 04:17:35 pm
      Origi played wide left on a number of occasions last season.
      He's also not "massive" (That would be VVD)
      He's 6'1" and 12 stone, which is light for a footballer.


      I remember watching a game last year and the analyst commenting how strong Divock is and opponents bouncing off of him and/or not being able to push him off the ball.

      I have high hopes for him this season, but really do not want to see him out on the wing. Just think he is much better centrally.
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      Re: Have we closed the gap on Man City this summer?
      Reply #27: Jul 26, 2019 04:23:05 pm
      It’s not so much the amount Moreno and Sturridge played, more the fact we had the option.
      Let’s not forget Sturridge smashed pre season last year and was playing well when he was playing, it was just Xmas onwards he then dropped right off.

      But like I say, it’s the options we had that we now don’t.

      Oh i'm a Sturridge fan and spent many a post defending him (some clown accused him of "stealing money" because he was hurt) and agree with your assessment of his play, but given how little he actually did play (i think 2 league starts all year?), and if we are thinking in terms of options, that Brewster is just as good an option to have for that limited about of playing time.

      Likewise, i think Lewis/Larouci/Hoever are as good an option as Moreno was given you and i were more likely to get a start than he did.
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      Re: Have we closed the gap on Man City this summer?
      Reply #28: Jul 26, 2019 04:27:25 pm
      Oh i'm a Sturridge fan and spent many a post defending him (some clown accused him of "stealing money" because he was hurt) and agree with your assessment of his play, but given how little he actually did play (i think 2 league starts all year?), and if we are thinking in terms of options, that Brewster is just as good an option to have for that limited about of playing time.

      Likewise, i think Lewis/Larouci/Hoever are as good an option as Moreno was given you and i were more likely to get a start than he did.

      Don’t get me wrong, Brewster could turn out to be a revelation, as could any of the youngsters, it’s just a concern I have because we know that physically Sturridge can hold his own, he won’t be beaten off the ball easily and we know he can score goals. But the thing Brewster, Hoever etc all have in common, is that they are all completely unknown quantities at first team level and we’ve seen so many times before what can happen to a player with potential when trying to make the step up.

      I’d just have liked us to add that something extra to the team; a recognised and proven goal scorer to cover and truly compete with the front 3. But then, every transfer is a gamble so whatever we go with is a case of wait and see. The good thing we’ve seen of Brewster so far is that he seems determined to make it and he’s always looking to follow in on a shot. It’s just whether he can adapt his game to play as and when needed and different areas of the attack.

      As it goes, I really rate Adam Lewis, his left foot is boss. But it concerns me that he’s not playing a bit more than he has so far in pre-season.

      But are these youngsters good enough to help us bridge the gap to City? It’s a tough ask.
      « Last Edit: Jul 26, 2019 04:32:12 pm by 7-King Kenny-7 »
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      Re: Have we closed the gap on Man City this summer?
      Reply #29: Jul 26, 2019 04:28:29 pm
      I remember watching a game last year and the analyst commenting how strong Divock is and opponents bouncing off of him and/or not being able to push him off the ball.

      I have high hopes for him this season, but really do not want to see him out on the wing. Just think he is much better centrally.

      He's quite strong, especially for a player on the lighter side, but he's not "massive", which is the point I was making.
      VVD on the other hand, really is massive.

      Klopp likes his forwards to be able to play across the front line.
      Origi plays on the left sometimes because then he can cut in and shoot with his right, something we've seen him do quite a lot of.

      I like him, and if he adds consistency to his game he can do a good job for us.
      Decent in the air, pacey, an eye for goal, good shot on him. Decent passer, and brings others into the game as well.
      He could bully defenders in the box a bit more, and really use his strength, and he could maybe bulk up a bit, but that's in an ideal world.
      He has the tools to do well, and hopefully his confidence is through the roof after the CL win and new contract.

      At 24, it's really time for him to kick on to the next level, ad if he can do that, we're well set this season for at least one backup attacker.
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      Re: Have we closed the gap on Man City this summer?
      Reply #30: Jul 26, 2019 04:31:07 pm
      Don’t get me wrong, Brewster could turn out to be a revelation, as could any of the youngsters, it’s just a concern I have because we know that physically Sturridge can hold his own, he won’t be beaten off the ball easily and we know he can score goals. But the thing Brewster, Hoever etc all have in common, is that they are all completely unknown quantities at first team level and we’ve seen so many times before what can happen to a player with potential when trying to make the step up.

      I’d just have liked us to add that something extra to the team; a recognised and proven goal scorer to cover and truly compete with the front 3. But then, every transfer is a gamble so whatever we go with is a case of wait and see.

      There's a lot to admire about Sturridge's ability, but it infuriated me the way he slowed everything down when he came deep.

      Regarding Brewster, if Klopp thinks he's ready and can do a job, that's good enough for me.
      Everything I've heard about him, and what I've seen says to me he could be something special, but as ever with the youngsters, only time will tell.
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      Re: Have we closed the gap on Man City this summer?
      Reply #31: Jul 26, 2019 06:31:55 pm
      In all honesty we can’t close the gap. We are just the best prepared of the rest to take advantage when/if they start to weaken.

      We need City to have peaked and to be on the decline. That's the way I see it unfortunately


      Give up now then!!
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      Re: Have we closed the gap on Man City this summer?
      Reply #32: Jul 26, 2019 06:40:55 pm
      There's a lot to admire about Sturridge's ability, but it infuriated me the way he slowed everything down when he came deep.

      Regarding Brewster, if Klopp thinks he's ready and can do a job, that's good enough for me.
      Everything I've heard about him, and what I've seen says to me he could be something special, but as ever with the youngsters, only time will tell.

      Same here. There were times he was in our half and would go into the attacking half carrying the ball and would slow things down. I have no idea why he was coming so deep, his finishing skills are best used near and inside the box, not carrying the ball from one side to the other.
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      Re: Have we closed the gap on Man City this summer?
      Reply #33: Jul 26, 2019 08:07:55 pm

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      So, we'll have a better idea of progress after one match which is little more than a pre-season friendly?

      The gap between City and Chelsea was demonstrated in last year's Shield. The current gap between us and City, if there is one, will be shown next week. It will be 2 full strength sides available playing a competitive game, not both teams changing 11 players at half time, as per the average pre-season friendly.

      If we win it, we will know we're ready to challenge them again over 38 games. If we take our recent friendly form into the game, then we'll pretty much know where we stand in relation to them.
      « Last Edit: Jul 26, 2019 09:37:42 pm by 7-King Kenny-7, Reason: This isn’t a topic about VAR! »
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      Re: Have we closed the gap on Man City this summer?
      Reply #34: Jul 26, 2019 08:51:17 pm
      Based on the fact you haven't improved the squad I would say no. Look on
      the bright side though. United are still a couple of years behind you so plenty of comfort there.  ;D
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      Re: Have we closed the gap on Man City this summer?
      Reply #35: Jul 26, 2019 08:59:30 pm
      The gap between City and Chelsea was demonstrated in last year's Shield. The current gap between us and City, if there is one, will be shown next week. It will be 2 full strength sides available playing a competitive game, not both teams changing 11 players at half time, as per the average pre-season friendly.

      If we win it, we will know we're ready to challenge them again over 38 games. If we take our recent friendly form into the game, then we'll pretty much know where we stand in relation to them.

      Fella, if you think a one off pre-season match, which is little more than a friendly, shows anything other than who is closer to form on that particular day, then you know sod all about football.

      It means f**k all, and you can wum about it all you want, but that's the bottom line.
      It. Means. F**k. All.
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      Re: Have we closed the gap on Man City this summer?
      Reply #36: Jul 26, 2019 09:01:43 pm
      Based on the fact you haven't improved the squad I would say no. Look on
      the bright side though. United are still a couple of years behind you so plenty of comfort there.  ;D

      I dunno Keith, a big trophy has a massive effect on a squad like ours.
      First one in the bag, and it's arguably the biggest of them all.
      That's a huge confidence boost, plus the experience factor we now have of knowing (from last season) that we can grind out results.
      It's not always about adding players, and our best ones are hitting their prime.
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      Re: Have we closed the gap on Man City this summer?
      Reply #37: Jul 26, 2019 09:14:45 pm
      Fella, if you think a one off pre-season match, which is little more than a friendly, shows anything other than who is closer to form on that particular day, then you know sod all about football.

      It means f**k all, and you can wum about it all you want, but that's the bottom line.
      It. Means. F**k. All.

      Not to mention it won't be our full strength side. Sadio not involved and Bobby and Mo will not be fully fit.  I'm sure City will be short of full strength as well.

      Gotta love The age of universal punditry.
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      Re: Have we closed the gap on Man City this summer?
      Reply #38: Jul 26, 2019 09:38:31 pm
      The gap between City and Chelsea was demonstrated in last year's Shield. The current gap between us and City, if there is one, will be shown next week. It will be 2 full strength sides available playing a competitive game, not both teams changing 11 players at half time, as per the average pre-season friendly.

      If we win it, we will know we're ready to challenge them again over 38 games. If we take our recent friendly form into the game, then we'll pretty much know where we stand in relation to them.

      Except it’s not 2 full strengths sides because we won’t be at full strength! Mane won’t be playing, Shaqiri and Keita are both injured.
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      Re: Have we closed the gap on Man City this summer?
      Reply #39: Jul 27, 2019 12:48:28 am
      I think we’re going f**king steam roll every c**t we face..

      I’ll swerve the domestic cups & blood the youth in those competitions & Guly concentrate on the league & Europe..

      We have a title to defend & a couple to obtain..

      Jan is when we will strengthen ,hopefully we will be 10 points clear ahead from the 2nd team in the league..
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      Re: Have we closed the gap on Man City this summer?
      Reply #40: Jul 27, 2019 01:11:34 am
      I’ll swerve the domestic cups & blood the youth in those competitions & Guly concentrate on the league & Europe..

      So we haven't closed the gap, they are in a position where they don't have to swerve a competition to stand a better chance in another.

      Liverpool Football Club didn't gain so much success by swerving certain competitions and we should be looking to get the team into a position where we shouldn't even be considering it. What's the point in trying to push the youngsters through in them games for the sake of 1 game, maybe 2 games at most in the relevant cup? You need to push the youngsters on in the right way, integrating them in a proper way, not just using them because we don't give a toss about a couple of the domestic competitions.

      City want to win every competition possible, us throwing away certain ones in the hope of getting the better of them in another is embarrassing to be honest. The Carabao Cup obviously has no real significance, but you better believe I still want us to be the ones lifting it, along with every other trophy too.


      hopefully we will be 10 points clear ahead from the 2nd team in the league.

      Hope you're right!!!
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      Reply #41: Jul 27, 2019 08:26:52 am

      Why give up? We have to play it out to see if City ARE still as strong...

      A devastating injury to a big City players could throw them off track or a massive FFP court case. Loads could happen to peg them back.

      However, my point is if nothing happens to them, they are so strong they could even drop 6-9 points from last years total and win the league. There needs to be a sizable drop in form for anyone to catch them


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      Re: Have we closed the gap on Man City this summer?
      Reply #42: Jul 27, 2019 09:38:03 am
      Not to mention it won't be our full strength side. Sadio not involved and Bobby and Mo will not be fully fit.  I'm sure City will be short of full strength as well.

      Gotta love The age of universal punditry.

      No it doesn’t mean anything but it is still a high profile game. If we get hammered - and sadly I can see that happening based on our form and the respective starting XIs - then it could affect confidence going into the league

      For whatever reason City have a thing about us - their players were singing about us after they won the league ffs - so they will be fired up and want the make a statement ... if we turn up with a mixture of youth players and half fit regulars then I can see them scoring quite a few

      Like you say the game itself is just a friendly - but it’s a high profile friendly, and we need to make sure that the players are in a good frame of mind when we take on Norwich
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      Reply #43: Jul 27, 2019 09:42:54 am
      Except it’s not 2 full strengths sides because we won’t be at full strength! Mane won’t be playing, Shaqiri and Keita are both injured.

      Firmino, Salah and Allison will have only been training for around a week so we might not see them either
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      Re: Have we closed the gap on Man City this summer?
      Reply #44: Jul 27, 2019 09:50:07 am
      Quoting an extract from an article on the BBC website about the amount of game time our attacking players have played versus City:

      “And there must be a concern that a heavy workload last season, plus their summer matches, means Liverpool's key players could be at risk of burnout this term.

      Mane, for instance, racked up 4,306 minutes of club football last season. Only 18 outfield players in Europe's top five leagues played more in all competitions - Salah being one of them (4,337).

      The Senegalese played a further 944 minutes of international football in 10 games since August 2018.

      Mane and Salah played more minutes than any City forward last season, despite Guardiola's side still being involved in four competitions until 18 April, when they were knocked out of the Champions League by Tottenham.

      City's busiest attacker was Sterling, who clocked up 4,096 minutes, but the most games he played in a row was 10 - a stark contrast to Salah's run of 50 consecutive appearances. City also had six forwards who played more than 2,000 minutes. Liverpool only had three, who were all way over the 3,000 mark.“
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      Reply #45: Jul 27, 2019 09:58:18 am
      Quoting an extract from an article on the BBC website about the amount of game time our attacking players have played versus City:

      “And there must be a concern that a heavy workload last season, plus their summer matches, means Liverpool's key players could be at risk of burnout this term.

      Mane, for instance, racked up 4,306 minutes of club football last season. Only 18 outfield players in Europe's top five leagues played more in all competitions - Salah being one of them (4,337).

      The Senegalese played a further 944 minutes of international football in 10 games since August 2018.

      Mane and Salah played more minutes than any City forward last season, despite Guardiola's side still being involved in four competitions until 18 April, when they were knocked out of the Champions League by Tottenham.

      City's busiest attacker was Sterling, who clocked up 4,096 minutes, but the most games he played in a row was 10 - a stark contrast to Salah's run of 50 consecutive appearances. City also had six forwards who played more than 2,000 minutes. Liverpool only had three, who were all way over the 3,000 mark.“

      That sounds bad but in real terms how significant is it? What's the real chance burnout will happen?
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      Reply #46: Jul 27, 2019 10:07:42 am
      That sounds bad but in real terms how significant is it? What's the real chance burnout will happen?

      I think it’s worse than those stats suggest - City typically ‘won’ most of their matches last season before the 60-minute mark in a game ... by comparison we won most of ours much later in games, which meant that our players were playing at a higher intensity for longer. A lot of those minutes Sterling clocked up will have been when they were already 3-0 / 4-0 up and the pace was played at a much more leisurely level.

      We are almost certainly going to have more games this season than we did last season due to the world club championship and the super cup.

      I think it would be sensible to rest Mane until at least mid September because if the risk of burn out but I’m not sure we can afford that luxury
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      Reply #47: Jul 27, 2019 10:48:24 am
      I think it’s worse than those stats suggest - City typically ‘won’ most of their matches last season before the 60-minute mark in a game ... by comparison we won most of ours much later in games, which meant that our players were playing at a higher intensity for longer. A lot of those minutes Sterling clocked up will have been when they were already 3-0 / 4-0 up and the pace was played at a much more leisurely level.

      We are almost certainly going to have more games this season than we did last season due to the world club championship and the super cup.

      I think it would be sensible to rest Mane until at least mid September because if the risk of burn out but I’m not sure we can afford that luxury

      In which case not adding to the squad seems a risk.

      But we have to believe in the manager and his sports science staff know what they are doing
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      Reply #48: Jul 27, 2019 11:01:44 am
      I remember watching a game last year and the analyst commenting how strong Divock is and opponents bouncing off of him and/or not being able to push him off the ball.

      I have high hopes for him this season, but really do not want to see him out on the wing. Just think he is much better centrally.

      I think you are correct that Origi is better centrally so that should give some cover for Bobby and I want to see Jürgen play him instead of playing Bobby even when he's clearly not fit, but what about Sadio and Salah, can Brewster cover for them or is he also more central. Its quality cover for our 2 main goal scorers which we desperately need, we need a top quality wide forward who can play either flank, if we get that then YES we have strengthened, otherwise its probably more or less the same level as last year, stronger in midfield but with more risk in attack to injuries, burn out etc.
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      Re: Have we closed the gap on Man City this summer?
      Reply #49: Jul 27, 2019 12:57:05 pm
      Based on the fact you haven't improved the squad I would say no. Look on
      the bright side though. United are still a couple of years behind you so plenty of comfort there.  ;D

      Things I'm genuinely not arsed about this season is whatever is going on at Snake Mountain.

      Considering we finished within two points and took them down to last game of the season to decide the league, I'd say gap has been closed already.

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