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      Essex Mingle
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      Re: No Signings, but...
      Reply #25: Jul 29, 2019 02:16:48 pm
      Klopp has shown he's prepared to wait for the right player to become available.
      Sometimes that means short term pain for long term gain.
      Would much rather that than what went before, when recruitment was scattergun.
      Effectively took an extra year to get van Dijk & Keita deals done.

      If we're after who I think we're after then I can wait another year if it means it gets done.
      Though I appreciate we live in an age where everyone wants the new shiny signing and wants it now.

      I get all that and I also know there's an 'I want it now' generation but there's also an argument had we got VVD in the August we may have challenged for the league that season too.

      My point is by waiting we could lose ground in the league and go out early of the cups.

      I genuinely get both sides of the argument.... but I just worry about the fall out if we don't hit the ground running on Friday 9th
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      Reply #26: Jul 29, 2019 02:20:07 pm
      I get all that and I also know there's an 'I want it now' generation but there's also an argument had we got VVD in the August we may have challenged for the league that season too.

      My point is by waiting we could lose ground in the league and go out early of the cups.

      I genuinely get both sides of the argument.... but I just worry about the fall out if we don't hit the ground running on Friday 9th

      Its like wanting a particular car and instead of settling for one which is almost exactly as good you instead chose to continue taking the bus and paying for taxis etc whilst you wait another year. Its a really narrow minded view from Klopp and one of his very few failings.
      Essex Mingle
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      Reply #27: Jul 29, 2019 02:21:23 pm
      Klopp has shown he's prepared to wait for the right player to become available.
      Sometimes that means short term pain for long term gain.
      Would much rather that than what went before, when recruitment was scattergun.
      Effectively took an extra year to get van Dijk & Keita deals done.

      If we're after who I think we're after then I can wait another year if it means it gets done.
      Though I appreciate we live in an age where everyone wants the new shiny signing and wants it now.

      There's a few individuals (Moreno, Sturridge etc) but thats not the point of my post.

      My point is by not investing and bringing in players it could be seen as standing still and that nearly always proves to be the wrong move, especially in our recent history
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      Reply #28: Jul 29, 2019 02:23:54 pm
      Its like wanting a particular car and instead of settling for one which is almost exactly as good you instead chose to continue taking the bus and paying for taxis etc whilst you wait another year. Its a really narrow minded view from Klopp and one of his very few failings.

      Its hard and really harsh to call him out on this issue when he's been proven right on at least 2 occasions in the last 18 months when he waited for specific players.

      BUT..... as I say I get your point
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      Reply #29: Jul 29, 2019 02:35:06 pm
      Klopp has shown he's prepared to wait for the right player to become available.
      Sometimes that means short term pain for long term gain.
      Would much rather that than what went before, when recruitment was scattergun.
      Effectively took an extra year to get van Dijk & Keita deals done.

      If we're after who I think we're after then I can wait another year if it means it gets done.
      Though I appreciate we live in an age where everyone wants the new shiny signing and wants it now.
      The CL win has this fan base believing Klopp and LFC are invincible.
      Let's take a quick look back at that tournament.
      LFC got destroyed in 3 road matches to open the tournament
      LFC did dominate vs one of the weakest Bayern teams in recent history and against an overachieving Portuguese team
      LFC got crushed vs Barca on the road then their subs pulled off the miracle of miracles with a savy trick play.
      Lastly, LFC got to play a rickety Tottenham team in a horribly played game.

      LFC earned their trophy but in no way was LFC a juggernaut that steamrolled Europe, like Real Madrid typically has.

      My point: The team's vulnerabilities were on display last year despite the final outcome

      The good news: LFC should cake walk through the opening 6 matches in CL as the #1 seed this year and potentially have cash to spend in the winter transfer period to bolster the team if needed.
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      Reply #30: Jul 29, 2019 02:36:20 pm
      The CL win has this fan base believing Klopp and LFC are invincible.
      Let's take a quick look back at that tournament.
      LFC got destroyed in 3 road matches to open the tournament
      LFC did dominate vs one of the weakest Bayern teams in recent history and against an overachieving Portuguese team
      LFC got crushed vs Barca on the road then their subs pulled off the miracle of miracles with a savy trick play.
      Lastly, LFC got to play a rickety Tottenham team in a horribly played game.

      LFC earned their trophy but in no way was LFC a juggernaut that steamrolled Europe, like Real Madrid typically has.

      My point: The team's vulnerabilities were on display last year despite the final outcome

      The good news: LFC should cake walk through the opening 6 matches in CL as the #1 seed this year and potentially have cash to spend in the winter transfer period to bolster the team if needed.


      Wow.
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      Reply #31: Jul 29, 2019 02:41:00 pm
      Remember the season before last we all knew we needed a keeper we left it and it cost us the CL final hope we dont make the same mistake again
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      Reply #32: Jul 29, 2019 02:48:49 pm

      he has a point though, other than Bayern and Porto it was a pretty shaky CL campaign, plenty of poor performances, including in the final. What it highlighted throughout the season was the fact that Jürgen had to play his front three even when they were clearly out of form or slightly unfit, that's why I and others find it staggering that instead of buying he has effectively sold forward options, and yes I know Sturridge was a bit crap towards the end but he was still an experienced player with an eye for goal.
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      Reply #33: Jul 29, 2019 03:23:53 pm
      "The CL win has this fan base believing Klopp and LFC are invincible."
      Nobody has claimed that.


      "LFC got destroyed in 3 road matches to open the tournament"
      Fair point. Form away from home was an issue at times.


      "LFC did dominate vs one of the weakest Bayern teams in recent history and against an overachieving Portuguese team
      LFC got crushed vs Barca on the road then their subs pulled off the miracle of miracles with a savy trick play.
      Lastly, LFC got to play a rickety Tottenham team in a horribly played game."

      If you have an excuse for why LFC beat Bayern, Barca & Spurs rather than enjoy that run to the CL trophy then I can't help you.



      "LFC earned their trophy but in no way was LFC a juggernaut that steamrolled Europe, like Real Madrid typically has.
      My point: The team's vulnerabilities were on display last year despite the final outcome."

      Or you could say that the squad developed during the season, as different players grew into their role within the squad.
      Again, if you'd rather compare to what Real Madrid are doing then I can't help you there.


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      Reply #34: Jul 29, 2019 04:23:36 pm
      Remember the season before last we all knew we needed a keeper we left it and it cost us the CL final hope we dont make the same mistake again
           

      Cheer the f**k up,bunch of fanny's round here!

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      Reply #35: Jul 29, 2019 04:27:59 pm
      "The CL win has this fan base believing Klopp and LFC are invincible."
      Nobody has claimed that.


      "LFC got destroyed in 3 road matches to open the tournament"
      Fair point. Form away from home was an issue at times.


      "LFC did dominate vs one of the weakest Bayern teams in recent history and against an overachieving Portuguese team
      LFC got crushed vs Barca on the road then their subs pulled off the miracle of miracles with a savy trick play.
      Lastly, LFC got to play a rickety Tottenham team in a horribly played game."

      If you have an excuse for why LFC beat Bayern, Barca & Spurs rather than enjoy that run to the CL trophy then I can't help you.



      "LFC earned their trophy but in no way was LFC a juggernaut that steamrolled Europe, like Real Madrid typically has.
      My point: The team's vulnerabilities were on display last year despite the final outcome."

      Or you could say that the squad developed during the season, as different players grew into their role within the squad.
      Again, if you'd rather compare to what Real Madrid are doing then I can't help you there.




      You really aren't addressing his points there, I'm sure Borg was/is as delighted as we all are at having won the CL, but its still possible to cast a critical eye over it, that's what champions and winners do, they don't wallow in a victory they constantly look to improve.
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      Reply #36: Jul 29, 2019 04:28:33 pm
           

      Cheer the f**k up,bunch of fanny's round here!



      That is a great gif, what a night!
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      Reply #37: Jul 29, 2019 05:40:50 pm
      The CL win has this fan base believing Klopp and LFC are invincible.

      Can tell you're a newbie at this football supporting lark!!

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      Reply #38: Jul 29, 2019 05:49:03 pm
      Can tell you're a newbie at this football supporting lark!!



      Can tell you're an insecure narrow minded person incapable of proper debate.
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      Reply #39: Jul 29, 2019 05:58:38 pm
      Can tell you're an insecure narrow minded person incapable of proper debate.

      As if I'd be arsed debating with a armchair fan like yourself. The very epitome of what we on the kop laugh at. You're pathetic with all you're whinging and shithouse behaviour. You're the type that would make Shankly turn in his grave.
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      Reply #40: Jul 29, 2019 06:05:54 pm
      Has Lonergan actually been signed by the club? I presume he would be a #3 goalkeeper and maybe a la Manninger a couple of years ago would only see the park in a total emergency.

      But has he actually signed? I see he's in the roster for the training camp.
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      Reply #41: Jul 29, 2019 06:13:54 pm

      I stopped reading at "LFC got crushed by Barcelona on the road"

      Either he didn't watch the match, is clueless, or both.
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      Reply #42: Jul 29, 2019 06:20:44 pm
      Can tell you're an insecure narrow minded person incapable of proper debate.

      your the gobs***e who wants CITY to win 6-0 and for us to have a crap season its disgraceful that your even allowed on these boards.
      Debate with your imaginary friend and stop pretending to be a Liverpool supporter as your clearly nothing more than a WUM.
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      Reply #43: Jul 29, 2019 09:09:44 pm
      As if I'd be arsed debating with a armchair fan like yourself. The very epitome of what we on the kop laugh at. You're pathetic with all you're whinging and shithouse behaviour. You're the type that would make Shankly turn in his grave.

      And yet you do debate and make yourself look foolish, you really are to unintentionally funny you silly vulgar boy.
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      Reply #44: Jul 29, 2019 09:16:29 pm
      your the gobs***e who wants CITY to win 6-0 and for us to have a crap season its disgraceful that your even allowed on these boards.
      Debate with your imaginary friend and stop pretending to be a Liverpool supporter as your clearly nothing more than a WUM.

      Where did I say I WANT citeh to win and for us to have a bad season, back up that outrageous claim or hush up and wash your mouth out.
      Asking people to be banned, tut tut, I can just imagine what you were like at school, teachers pet grassing everyone up I bet but then failing all your exams and hating the world ever since.
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      Reply #45: Jul 29, 2019 10:01:02 pm
      You really aren't addressing his points there, I'm sure Borg was/is as delighted as we all are at having won the CL, but its still possible to cast a critical eye over it, that's what champions and winners do, they don't wallow in a victory they constantly look to improve.

      "Wallow in a victory"

      Odd phrase that.

      Line by line response there. After that, good luck lads.
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      Reply #46: Jul 29, 2019 11:53:48 pm
      your the gobs***e who wants CITY to win 6-0
      No, he very clearly said that he did not want that to happen
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      Reply #47: Jul 30, 2019 12:14:49 am
      The question i think needs answering, is if we hadn't done so well last year, would we have bought anyone this summer?  The whole management team and owners admitted in the run up to champions league that we overachieved last season, one or two year ahead of schedule in the "master plan". Does that mean they were always planning on bedding down last years signings within this window? I very much doubt it, and i expect (understandably) that summer plans were put to back of mind while everyones focus was on the run in at the end of the season.
      I agree with the sentiment we shouldn't be buying players for the sake of it, and we should all back Juergen and his waiting game - its paid dividends over the last 18 months.  With that said, we need to face the fact that we need to catch up with City who have the depth to challenge on all fronts, which is where were lacking. Salah and Bobbys dips in form in the spring cost us in the end as Divock wasnt yet stepping up to the plate.
      I hope Brewster, Ox and Keita can all pitch in with double figures this season to reduce the reliance on the front line. We should know soon enough, as I don't expect the fab three to settle back into the swing of things, until after the first international break.
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      Reply #48: Jul 30, 2019 02:25:03 am
      Is boss only has contract till two more season if don't win league these season he only more season get it right winning league if he not stay longer as manger
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      Reply #49: Jul 30, 2019 02:27:00 am
      Before people give out about my writing got   autism agerbers find hard spell and write down things in right way

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