Harvey Elliott Player Thread (M)

Good.

In some ways yes it is good ... but not if Arne will be handed some more chiesa's to work with. He needs players that are actually useful.

“Darwin Nunez looks really good in the data,” he said. “One of the best or just about the best under-24 centre forwards, if you exclude Haaland from the list, obviously!
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So Nunez looked really good. I think him and Isak were the two standards aside from Haaland. The difficulty with Nunez was replacing (Roberto) Firmino."

https://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/inside-mohamed-salah-liverpool-contract-29748344

“Darwin Nunez looks really good in the data,” he said. “One of the best or just about the best under-24 centre forwards, if you exclude Haaland from the list, obviously!
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So Nunez looked really good. I think him and Isak were the two standards aside from Haaland. The difficulty with Nunez was replacing (Roberto) Firmino."

https://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/inside-mohamed-salah-liverpool-contract-29748344

Lip resident fsg lapdog quoting givemesport bs ... funny. The bible of insider knowledge.

In some ways yes it is good ... but not if Arne will be handed some more chiesa's to work with. He needs players that are actually useful.

And he will get them.

I have a feeling if we were playing a Premiership game on the weekend and not FA Cup tie vs lower level club, Elliott would of started mid-week. I am surprised about how much has been made if this about after the defeat.

The two potential conclusions to draw from the lack of playing time for him and Endo (as he seems to be find rotating the rest of the team) is he just doesnt rate them and only use them when required (Cup games or injuries) or he likes to use a smaller squad number wise and limit rotation.

We won't get the answer until more players are bought and we see how he uses them.

I like Elliott and think under Slots more controlled system he could thrive in the 10 position

I have a feeling if we were playing a Premiership game on the weekend and not FA Cup tie vs lower level club, Elliott would of started mid-week. I am surprised about how much has been made if this about after the defeat.

The two potential conclusions to draw from the lack of playing time for him and Endo (as he seems to be find rotating the rest of the team) is he just doesnt rate them and only use them when required (Cup games or injuries) or he likes to use a smaller squad number wise and limit rotation.

We won't get the answer until more players are bought and we see how he uses them.

I like Elliott and think under Slots more controlled system he could thrive in the 10 position

Im pretty sure Arne used him in the 10 in preseason and he did well there by all accounts. I dont watch preseason games so i didnt see them. I just recall people who did saying he did well in the 10 position.

Im pretty sure Arne used him in the 10 in preseason and he did well there by all accounts. I dont watch preseason games so i didnt see them. I just recall people who did saying he did well in the 10 position.

Looked as good as anyone in that position and then the injury.came although he didn't get much of  a look in even before that . Energy levels maybe I don't know but against low black and needing to create something I would say he is a far better option than any of the others

Arne Slot explains why he is finding it difficult to play “talented” Harvey Elliott

https://www.thisisanfield.com/2025/01/arne-slot-explains-why-he-is-finding-it-difficult-to-play-talented-harvey-elliott/

He'll no doubt he really disappointed with his performance today. Wasn't awful but in a game like that if you want to force your way into the manager's plans you've got to do a lot, lot better.

He never looks right playing on the wing, when I saw that's where he was playing I wasn't expecting much. The lack of pace and physicality really does hinder.

If we can get 30m for him this month, we should consider.

He never looks right playing on the wing, when I saw that's where he was playing I wasn't expecting much. The lack of pace and physicality really does hinder.

If we can get 30m for him this month, we should consider.

Yep I've got a feeling Arne doesn't see him as a midfielder and if he thinks he's a front 3 guy then he will learn what all of us have already learnt under Jürgen that he isnt really.

His undoubted industry masks his lack of ability.....and the deficiency is more in his head than in his feet....simply put: Bit of a headless chicken.

Yep I've got a feeling Arne doesn't see him as a midfielder and if he thinks he's a front 3 guy then he will learn what all of us have already learnt under Jürgen that he isnt really.

He is neither, certainly in the modern era when physicality is so much more important.

So if he is not big enough to play in midfield (advanced midfield, Dom's position), and not quick enough to play out wide, it begs the question, where does he fit in?

I think he has been very unlucky to have come along in an era that doesn't really suit him, certainly not for a smaller, nor pacy type. The game is so much faster, with intensity and the press much more prevalent.

Joe Cole (who I liken to Harvey), he would not get the same joy today as he did when he played. Every team is full of athletes, and we saw to our cost if you let the midfield get old without replenishing it teams will run through you, as seemed to happen on a regular basis in 2022-23 regardless of who we played. Even a small drop off shows up big time, such is the fine margins. Endo I also think would have been much more effective for us 2 decades ago. That slower type just get exposed now.

I know I asked the question but do think Harvey has a specific role though, and that's from the bench where he excels in changing the tempo of the game. When he starts, so there is no game to change, plus no advantage over tiring legs, he is not the same player. That sub role is a massive part of the game so it's no sleight on him in being a player for that role. It can often be the difference maker. There is no way I'd be offloading him. Klopp found that sub role for him and hopefully with him fit we will see alot more of it going forward.

He is neither, certainly in the modern era when physicality is so much more important.

So if he is not big enough to play in midfield (advanced midfield, Dom's position), and not quick enough to play out wide, it begs the question, where does he fit in?

I think he has been very unlucky to have come along in an era that doesn't really suit him, certainly not for a smaller, nor pacy type. The game is so much faster, with intensity and the press much more prevalent.

Joe Cole (who I liken to Harvey), he would not get the same joy today as he did when he played. Every team is full of athletes, and we saw to our cost if you let the midfield get old without replenishing it teams will run through you, as seemed to happen on a regular basis in 2022-23 regardless of who we played. Even a small drop off shows up big time, such is the fine margins. Endo I also think would have been much more effective for us 2 decades ago. That slower type just get exposed now.

I know I asked the question but do think Harvey has a specific role though, and that's from the bench where he excels in changing the tempo of the game. When he starts, so there is no game to change, plus no advantage over tiring legs, he is not the same player. That sub role is a massive part of the game so it's no sleight on him in being a player for that role. It can often be the difference maker. There is no way I'd be offloading him. Klopp found that sub role for him and hopefully with him fit we will see alot more of it going forward.

I don't disagree with your point...he's too small/slow for today's game. I don't rate him highly at all....decent enough, but not LFC quality...I know he's had bad luck with injuries but there's been no real progression in his game. I can't imagine he's going to be happy being told he's effectively just a sub for the rest of his Liverpool career...I'd imagine he'll want to move on if that was the case.

I'm big fan of Harvey but have to agree to many Reds opinions above. He did not extremely excel physically or football brain. But a young man  has a fighting in him that's for sure so hopefully at least that iron will drive him up a level, with us or somewhere else.

I thought he would have got more games in that advanced 10 role and thought he might be a fit there but it seems Arne doesn't see it

Agree with the debate in here that he's not quite a midfielder and definitely doesn't have the pace to play the wide positions.

Could be one we see moves on in the summer

Thought he would have got a chance in that second half with his skill set but looks like Slot doesn’t seem to rate him.

Seeing as though it was Jones who came on and Dom played the whole game I imagine it’s his lack of pace and physicality which will hinder his progression under Slot.

Can we really afford to be in a position where certain players are rotting away on the bench? When we could be moving them on for a decent wedge to bring someone who will contribute.

What are the likes of Hughes doing to address this matter?

Can we really afford to be in a position where certain players are rotting away on the bench? When we could be moving them on for a decent wedge to bring someone who will contribute.

What are the likes of Hughes doing to address this matter?

Mate, even if we sold Harvey, you reckon they would spend the money? I don't, well not on Players, anyway !!!!

Obviously this is utterly inconsequential, but I rate him higher than Jones by a fair margin, especially when played in more offensive positions.

Must be tough for him to find himself so far down the picking order under Slot. Would love to see him getting more minutes, especially considering our midfield trio is starting to look gassed and we're barely halfway through the season.

Obviously this is utterly inconsequential, but I rate him higher than Jones by a fair margin, especially when played in more offensive positions.

Must be tough for him to find himself so far down the picking order under Slot. Would love to see him getting more minutes, especially considering our midfield trio is starting to look gassed and we're barely halfway through the season.

Just read somewhere yesterday, he walked into Arne's office and asked to be given a shot at the Number 10 position.


Wonder if that's true?

Just read somewhere yesterday, he walked into Arne's office and asked to be given a shot at the Number 10 position.


Wonder if that's true?

Probably is because there's no way he's got the pace to run into the office.

Probably is because there's no way he's got the pace to run into the office.

that's probably why he walked 

He's definitely being underused from the bench.

Regularly very effective when he comes on, he changes the tempo of the game, and gives the opposition something new to think about.

Totally get why we don't start him as the midfield is already light without a real powerhouse athlete in either of the two deeper roles, but as a sub he is a game changer. Hopefully he will get that chance soon and take it.